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[Zenge142]

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I can't comprehend why Zenge is so low.

Vote holding, combined with observations I’ve made above.

I disagree with all of the observations Mel made above, but the vote holding is a fair criticism.

I wouldn’t do it as a wolf, I’d have been happy to Misyeet Ms. P or get on the Bob or April wagon. I’d established a good reason for why April was sketching me out, by not pinging me enough like she does when she’s village, so it would have been easy for me to go there as a wolf. And there’s always a reason that can be dredged up to vote for Bob.

But on the surface, the vote holding isn’t unfair criticism.

 

[WildZoo]

dubz, I don't know what your rules are for voting returning people. I'll easily vote someone out who hasn't played in years if I think there's an extremely high chance they're wolfing.

Well I'm surprised you don't since I feel like I've said it on multiple occasions. Sure if I get a hard wolf ping, but knowing my d1 accuracy I'd have a hard time being confident enough to vote someone out who just returned and was unlikely to play again for a while. I give a lot of d1 passes.

 

[Melchizedek]

Village!genny does too, especially on D1 because my D1 votes are usually wrong (much like Dubz's).

You brushed me off with a joke which was stark contrast to the one game where I did it and you turned around and prodded me about it and then turned out to be a wolf. It’s good enough for me to put you out of neutrals for now

 

[WildZoo]

Not maybe I don't like Dubz. LOL

Yeah, no maybes about it 😢

 

[Zenge142]

I don’t care he’s village reading bob

I already said I wasn’t.

I’m not giving him village credit

 

[Zenge142]

dubz, I don't know what your rules are for voting returning people. I'll easily vote someone out who hasn't played in years if I think there's an extremely high chance they're wolfing.

What about your rules?

Am I correct in thinking you wouldn’t vote someone D1 who modded last game? Would you NK them N1, or are they off limits by your rules D2?

 

[Zenge142]

Zenge only addresses it in a village light, which sets my teeth on edge.

I’m saying it’s not a compelling reason to vote him out D1. Do you find it compelling?

I’m perplexed at why you’re fighting so hard to say Bob could be a wolf, when Bob is your top village read.

 

[Animal Midwife]

What about your rules?

Am I correct in thinking you wouldn’t vote someone D1 who modded last game? Would you NK them N1, or are they off limits by your rules D2?

Yes, I'd leave the ex-mod in question alive for the first full cycle.

 

[Zenge142]

Yes, I'd leave the ex-mod in question alive for the first full cycle.

Any other players you would extend this courtesy to? Long time absentee players? Players who died the first cycle of the last game?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Any other players you would extend this courtesy to? Long time absentee players? Players who died the first cycle of the last game?

Mel and Paws are the only additional ones I can guarantee I wouldn't kill the first cycle this game.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Mel and Paws are the only additional ones I can guarantee I wouldn't kill the first cycle this game.

Actually, I also wouldn't kill Zenge either because he was a previous N1 while I was present.

 

[cubsrule4e]

OFFICIAL DAY 2 What Hangover? Vote Tally

WZ (1) - Mel (c)
Mel (1) - WZ


2/9

Vote Close Tomorrow, MONDAY @ 10PM ET

 

[Aprilthearab]

I feel better about April, a bit worse about AM, genny didn't get points in either direction

Do you think it's within AM's wolf meta to put a vote on a villager as her first action on the thread?

 

[Aprilthearab]

I was trying to figure out if I felt worse about Zenge or Mel with the little bit of back and forth this morning and then Mel's read list put him a little more in red

 

[Animal Midwife]

Do you think it's within AM's wolf meta to put a vote on a villager as her first action on the thread?

I'm not dubz, but I legitimately don't understand why this is a question.

 

[Zenge142]

Do you think it's within AM's wolf meta to put a vote on a villager as her first action on the thread?

I'm not dubz, but I legitimately don't understand why this is a question.

Spoiler: gGoats followed by dOughnuts

third

Yeet alissa

First.

Yeet Chaos

 

[Aprilthearab]

I'm not dubz, but I legitimately don't understand why this is a question.

AM I have only played in a game where you were wolfing once and it was quite a while ago and I sure as hell don't remember what you did on D1 that game so it is a genuine question that I would like an answer to

 

[Aprilthearab]

Appreciated

Edit: was trying to quote Zenge's post

 

[Animal Midwife]

AM I have only played in a game where you were wolfing once and it was quite a while ago and I sure as hell don't remember what you did on D1 that game so it is a genuine question that I would like an answer to

Is there a single game this year where I didn't vote as my first action ever? Why are you unfamiliar with everything I do all the sudden?

 

[Aprilthearab]

Is there a single game this year where I ever didn't vote as my first action? Why are you unfamiliar with everything I do all the sudden?

Maybe because I haven't played in a while, it's been a long time since I've seen you wolf, I do NOT have a perfect memory of ANYTHING that has happened in my own play let alone other people's play, vet school has fried my brain, and I'm running off of no sleep from working myself into the ground this past week.

And if you don't believe that my brain is not functioning, today I closed my mouth before the fork reached my face and I don't even know what is wrong with me

 

[Animal Midwife]

Maybe because I haven't played in a while, it's been a long time since I've seen you wolf, I do NOT have a perfect memory of ANYTHING that has happened in my own play let alone other people's play, vet school has fried my brain, and I'm running off of no sleep from working myself into the ground this past week.

And if you don't believe that my brain is not functioning, today I closed my mouth before the fork reached my face and I don't even know what is wrong with me

Long time since you've seen me wolf but you remembered that specifically alley and samac have salt again me from my last wolf outting. Okay.

These posts worry me because I already reminded you of my vote meta last cycle.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Long time since you've seen me wolf but you remembered that specifically alley and samac have salt again me from my last wolf outting. Okay.

These posts worry me because I already reminded you of my vote meta last cycle.

I didn't follow the last game, shorty gave me a tldr because it was reminiscent of ggoats and the emotionally charged flashbacks made the names stick in my head. And didn't that happen within the past two weeks?

I'm sorry if it offends you, but what you've done on D1 in every game over the past year is not important enough for my daily life for me to remember it.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I didn't follow the last game, shorty gave me a tldr because it was reminiscent of ggoats and the emotionally charged flashbacks made the names stick in my head. And didn't that happen within the past two weeks?

I'm sorry if it offends you, but what you've done on D1 in every game over the past year is not important enough for my daily life for me to remember it.

It was literally the game before this one. alley didn't play Goats and samac was on my team so that comparison doesn't work here unless you specifically were invested in things happening in last game.

The point is though, I don't understand why you asked dubz that question with that implication if you don't actually know what I do D1 as a wolf. Now that you have this information, what does your read look like? I'm curious to know if this was meaningful versus filler.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

What made you choose Cray?

Low post was the real reason at that point. I didn't anticipate being tied up all day and had intended to move somewhere for more definitive reasons. Or at least as definitive as it gets for D1

That's not a rule ever and I don't know who told you this.

Anytime you wonder what I'm talking about, consider that it may be a joke.

I interpreted it as joking about the current vote tally where no one had more than 1 vote on them

This was the reason. Thanks April for getting me!

 

[WildZoo]

Do you think it's within AM's wolf meta to put a vote on a villager as her first action on the thread?

Well I see this has already been answered, but yes

It was literally the game before this one. alley didn't play Goats and samac was on my team so that comparison doesn't work here unless you specifically were invested in things happening in last game.

Tot chat (and shorty in particular) did make comparisons between last game and GGoats so that's not just April saying that.

 

[WildZoo]

Is it really still just me and Mel thunderdoming? Water y'all doin?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Is it really still just me and Mel thunderdoming? Water y'all doin?

Wait to see if more of the roster than April has anything to contribute from the last 20 hours of absence.

 

[WildZoo]

Wait to see if more of the roster than April has anything to contribute from the last 20 hours of absence.

How are you feeling about your sketchmasons so far?

 

[Animal Midwife]

How are you feeling about your sketchmasons so far?

Still zero reads.

 

[Aprilthearab]

It was literally the game before this one. alley didn't play Goats and samac was on my team so that comparison doesn't work here unless you specifically were invested in things happening in last game.

That is exactly the point! It JUST happened, that is why I remember it. I don't think you understand the comparison to ggoats I was making. shorty messaged me like "Hey, look what's happening, it's ggoats all over again and other people are fighting AM like you did" so that's why I remembered those people.

The point is though, I don't understand why you asked dubz that question with that implication if you don't actually know what I do D1 as a wolf. Now that you have this information, what does your read look like? I'm curious to know if this was meaningful versus filler.

I was just wondering why the vote on MsP made Dubz feel worse about you if placing an early vote like that and sticking to it wasn't particularly wolf meta of you. If you regularly put votes on people before you actually read them as both a villager and a wolf, then it's NAI, especially considering village!AM would have a pretty good chance of randomly voting a villager since it's made before your reads.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I have some musings. April isn’t pinging me as much as she usually does D1 when she’s village, and that’s concerning me, but I’m letting it go for now.

MsP’s early naked vote for me is concerning.

I thought your vote switch to MsP was an interesting choice though. Clunky transition.

Paws. I’m thinking.

Did you have something specific you wanted to pick my brain about?

April is in a hard spot. Continue being sketch and getting voted out early. Or change her meta and get voted out bc she is different. She reads as trying to village more so than wolfapril trying to look like village

NIGHT 1

After witnessing the death of one of their own so soon, the reality sunk in that getting too out of control can lead to some really bad things. Afterall, day after day of clubbing is a marathon, not a sprint. Thus, the group decided to pack it in early for the evening, hoping that no other misery would befall them if they could manage to behave themselves. It seems like it had worked... at least for now.

Spoiler: Dead is...

Null (or something)



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Bounced from the bar:

6. @Ms Procrastinator - Lemon drop, village JOAT


There are currently 9 players
1. @Crayola227
2. @BobLoblaw78
3. @genny
5. @Zenge142
7. @WildZoo
8. @Aprilthearab
9. @Animal Midwife
10. @JustPaws
11. @Melchizedek

Day closes tomorrow, MONDAY 11/29, @ 10PM ET

Poor null. I liked her.

From least to most village because what even are wolf pings

Mel - as I said

Paws - haven't seen anything that felt like real wolf hunting from her, and I see she says she sat on my vote yesterday because she felt like she didn't have anywhere better to go, I just don't buy it

AM - I have a couple village points and a couple places where I raised an eyebrow. MsP flip and not seeing her April case keeps her in neutral.

Cray - my intuition is that wolf cray would be posting more despite life stuff but I don't have anything to back that up. She stays here until I see more.

April - not throwing down the reading card yet but feels like d1 village April so far, complete with all the widespread sus

genny - I do believe I saw a hint of the Genny Way (TM). Maybe I'll get my reading card back soon

Bob - As I said yesterday, tone is different from last game's wolf!Blobs and I'd hang my hat on it (but not eat it)

Zenge - Reading card activate and y'all can FITE me on it

I don't like the strong defense of zenge or anybody on D1 to this degree.

 

[WildZoo]

I don't like the strong defense of zenge or anybody on D1 to this degree.

But it's D2

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Village:
Bob
Village lean:
April- seems to be village to me. Would be poor wolf play on her part imo
AM- nothing like last game as wolf or others that I recall
Neutral:
Genny- seems more village but not enough to say leaning yet
Cray- too little info for me but not wolfy
Paws- same
Wolf lean:
WZ- mainly down here bc of defense of zenge. Wolfpack with Zenge would make so much sense
Zenge- feels a lot like village zenge, but something feels too warm and cozy about some of his posts and reactions
Wolf:
None yet

 

[BobLoblaw78]

But it's D2

Okay. I will correct myself. I think it is a very strong defense without more evidence than feels or tone. Scares me that anyone would run this much interference for someone on D1 or D2. Like someone is trying to stop the wagon before it gets momentum.

 

[WildZoo]

I was just wondering why the vote on MsP made Dubz feel worse about you if placing an early vote like that and sticking to it wasn't particularly wolf meta of you. If you regularly put votes on people before you actually read them as both a villager and a wolf, then it's NAI, especially considering village!AM would have a pretty good chance of randomly voting a villager since it's made before your reads.

It wasn't the vote, that alone is null. It was that she stayed there when MsP appeared, and when I was rereading her posts this morning they seemed to me more like the kind of posts village MsP makes, which I thought AM was decent at picking up on.

I do recognize that I read those posts and came to that conclusion after knowing MsP flipped village though. And AM had the point about MsP holding her self prez vote as a wolf previously. I don't have the time or energy to verify that.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Village:
Bob
Village lean:
April- seems to be village to me. Would be poor wolf play on her part imo
AM- nothing like last game as wolf or others that I recall
Neutral:
Genny- seems more village but not enough to say leaning yet
Cray- too little info for me but not wolfy
Paws- same
Wolf lean:
WZ- mainly down here bc of defense of zenge. Wolfpack with Zenge would make so much sense
Zenge- feels a lot like village zenge, but something feels too warm and cozy about some of his posts and reactions
Wolf:
None yet

Where's Mel?

 

[WildZoo]

Okay. I will correct myself. I think it is a very strong defense without more evidence than feels or tone. Scares me that anyone would run this much interference for someone on D1 or D2. Like someone is trying to stop the wagon before it gets momentum.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I've never been wrong on a strong village!Zenge read though, and this isn't the first time I've gotten that read by d2. People said the same thing about us being in a pack in CYO II

Village:
Bob
Village lean:
April- seems to be village to me. Would be poor wolf play on her part imo
AM- nothing like last game as wolf or others that I recall
Neutral:
Genny- seems more village but not enough to say leaning yet
Cray- too little info for me but not wolfy
Paws- same
Wolf lean:
WZ- mainly down here bc of defense of zenge. Wolfpack with Zenge would make so much sense
Zenge- feels a lot like village zenge, but something feels too warm and cozy about some of his posts and reactions
Wolf:
None yet

Where's Mel?

 

[Animal Midwife]

It wasn't the vote, that alone is null. It was that she stayed there when MsP appeared, and when I was rereading her posts this morning they seemed to me more like the kind of posts village MsP makes, which I thought AM was decent at picking up on.

I do recognize that I read those posts and came to that conclusion after knowing MsP flipped village though. And AM had the point about MsP holding her self prez vote as a wolf previously. I don't have the time or energy to verify that.

I'm not sure why you'd think that when I have historically misread and misyeeted MsP more times than I have fingers.

 

[WildZoo]

I'm not sure why you'd think that when I have historically misread and misyeeted MsP more times than I have fingers.

I know that. But from my recollection that's when she's been full ghost mode, or close to it. I thought the times she's actually shown up and made effort to post useful content you've been able to get a read on her in the past? If not, then my bad for misremembering.

 

[WildZoo]

Maybe it's that I've been able to in those situations and I'm projecting

 

[Animal Midwife]

I know that. But from my recollection that's when she's been full ghost mode, or close to it. I thought the times she's actually shown up and made effort to post useful content you've been able to get a read on her in the past? If not, then my bad for misremembering.

No, I'm just one of the few willing to actually yeet her for it. So that may be conflating my accuracy rate.

 

[Aprilthearab]

It wasn't the vote, that alone is null. It was that she stayed there when MsP appeared, and when I was rereading her posts this morning they seemed to me more like the kind of posts village MsP makes, which I thought AM was decent at picking up on.

I do recognize that I read those posts and came to that conclusion after knowing MsP flipped village though. And AM had the point about MsP holding her self prez vote as a wolf previously. I don't have the time or energy to verify that.

I never did get AM to say exactly why she was voting MsP, so I assumed it was a policy yeet and she wasn't going to move regardless of her read

 

[Aprilthearab]

I don't like the strong defense of zenge or anybody on D1 to this degree.

How do you feel about AM's defense of Zenge last night when I brought up the late vote placement?

 

[WildZoo]

I never did get AM to say exactly why she was voting MsP, so I assumed it was a policy yeet and she wasn't going to move regardless of her read

No, that's not why AM votes for people. I think it's kind of funny that as far as I can tell she follows roughly the same guidelines every game and yet it's still some big mystery to everyone why she chooses whoever for her d1 vote.

My impression has always been that she picks someone she has a hard time reading (often a lowposter but not always), so that she can attempt to get an early read based on their response as well as other people's reactions to the votes. She often stays, yes, but that does not mean it was a policy vote to begin with, to me it just means they didn't do enough to get her to move.

Watch me be absolutely wrong on this

 

[Aprilthearab]

No, that's not why AM votes for people. I think it's kind of funny that as far as I can tell she follows roughly the same guidelines every game and yet it's still some big mystery to everyone why she chooses whoever for her d1 vote.

My impression has always been that she picks someone she has a hard time reading (often a lowposter but not always), so that she can attempt to get an early read based on their response as well as other people's reactions to the votes. She often stays, yes, but that does not mean it was a policy vote to begin with, to me it just means they didn't do enough to get her to move.

Watch me be absolutely wrong on this

Makes sense, just couldn't seem to get the why out of her myself so I had to assume

 

[Aprilthearab]

Zenge- feels a lot like village zenge, but something feels too warm and cozy about some of his posts and reactions

I will say, though his actions last night were wolfy and I pressured him for it, the way he responded to the pressure feels a little more like village!Zenge. He can get a bit more reactive as a wolf under pressure. He also fed my Zenge reading card through the shredder months ago so I'm not necessarily a reliable source anymore

I'm also curious why you have him as a wolf lean when you say he feels a lot like his village self, and your only reason for wolf reading him is a reason I'd village read him.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Where's Mel?

Mel is on the same line as you. I think he is sounding very village. Or at least as much as one can on D1

Village:
Bob
Village lean:
April- seems to be village to me. Would be poor wolf play on her part imo
AM- nothing like last game as wolf or others that I recall
Mel- sounds similar to last game
Neutral:
Genny- seems more village but not enough to say leaning yet
Cray- too little info for me but not wolfy
Paws- same
Wolf lean:
WZ- mainly down here bc of defense of zenge. Wolfpack with Zenge would make so much sense
Zenge- feels a lot like village zenge, but something feels too warm and cozy about some of his posts and reactions
Wolf:
None yet

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I never did get AM to say exactly why she was voting MsP, so I assumed it was a policy yeet and she wasn't going to move regardless of her read

AM- already sounds more decisive and less wavering than when wolf.

How do you feel about AM's defense of Zenge last night when I brought up the late vote placement?

I can't fully remember so I will check. But my impression was that I disagreed with her reasoning but her tone sounded very village for her.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I will say, though his actions last night were wolfy and I pressured him for it, the way he responded to the pressure feels a little more like village!Zenge. He can get a bit more reactive as a wolf under pressure. He also fed my Zenge reading card through the shredder months ago so I'm not necessarily a reliable source anymore

I'm also curious why you have him as a wolf lean when you say he feels a lot like his village self, and your only reason for wolf reading him is a reason I'd village read him.

I don't recall wolfzenge so I am not claiming a read. But what I assume he does is the same as villagezenge but more pocketing type behavior and light on the attacks.

He seems village but as I read through to catch up, I just got a sense that there was a willingness to buddy up with people and less willing to offend. That has been the most wolfy thing that I have noticed in the game so far. I feel better about the people I have on the village side. Unfortunately, the ones that are left fall on the bottom of the list bc I have nothing that makes me want to move them up.

 

[Zenge142]

Village:
Animal Midwife - I haven’t seen anything I would call howling. Tentative village read. Will be interesting to see where she votes and who she pushes today though.

Aprilthearab - I’ve started seeing some of the things that Village!April does that ping me and make me think she’s wolfy. I felt like her push of me for my voting decisions came from a genuine village mindset.

WildZoo- Village lean. She’s cunning as a wolf and I need to see more before I feel really good about this, but there’s things that would make it hard for me to believe this was wolf Dubz.

Neutral:
genny - I just don’t know yet. Need more information.

Crayola227 - Hasn’t posted nearly enough to get a good read one way or the other.

BobLoblaw78 - Not really confident one way or the other on this. I can make a case for both village!Bob and Wolf!Bob. Reads list wasn’t too great, but not bad enough to slip him into the wolf category just yet.

Wolf:
JustPaws - I haven’t seen anything to change my early read here, but I’m definitely willing to re-evaluate if I see more.

Melchizedek - I feel like I always wolf read Mel so I’m cautious here, but the reads list was off enough that I moved him down from neutral. I’ve been wrong on Mel before though.

Overall I’m hoping to see more this cycle that’ll help me re-evaluate and get a stronger read on the players.