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[Animal Midwife]

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It was on someone who had no votes at all, and with 3 minutes to spare, most people weren't around to change votes if they agreed with him.

Who are most people? Literally only one vote + you/MsP self-prezzing would have put Paws over. There were more than enough around to change the yeet state.

 

[cubsrule4e]

DAY 1
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What a day for Club BastardMods. Shots were slammin', Dancers were jammin', and Cash registers were clangin'. Friends were made, alliances paved, and sides were chosen. Unfortunately for one person, she didnt seem to have enough popularity to break into one of the cliques. Perhaps she kept to herself too much, perhaps her demeanor rubbed people the wrong way. She was a bit salty in personality, but deep down she was nothing but sugar. As part owner of Club BastardMods, I can truly say I feel her pain. As the cliques gathered around the bar for another round of celebratory shots, the sun finally set underneath the horizon. As the shot glasses slammed back onto the oaken bar, a loud CRASH could be heard, unmistakable for the sound of shattering glass. Almost in unison the bar populus yelled "PARTY FOUL!!!!!!" and continued to joke and laugh amongst themselves. One of the bartenders slowly and solemnly emerged from the behind the bar, brush and dustpan in hand, and slowly began to unceremoniously clean up the mess.

Spoiler: Dead is...

@Ms Procrastinator - LEMON DROP, village JOAT, who could track, watch, and protect a player 1x each

Bounced from the bar:

6. @Ms Procrastinator - Lemon drop, village JOAT


There are currently 9 players
1. @Crayola227
2. @BobLoblaw78
3. @genny
5. @Zenge142
7. @WildZoo
8. @Aprilthearab
9. @Animal Midwife
10. @JustPaws
11. @Melchizedek

Night closes at 10AM ET

 

[Aprilthearab]

Who are most people? Literally only one vote + you/MsP self-prezzing would have put Paws over. There were more than enough around to change the yeet state.

Well, since you asked, Cray, Mel, Bob, Genny, Paws, and Dubz. Which left just four of us, and I don't think you would have gotten on a Paws yeet, so it would have had to be me and MsP working together to switch over at the last second. Regardless of the numbers, I'm talking more about Zenge's possible strategy there since I could see wolfy motivation to do that and it's realistic to expect that not enough people would have been around to make a Paws yeet happen, and that's what happened.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Well, since you asked, Cray, Mel, Bob, Genny, Paws, and Dubz. Which left just four of us, and I don't think you would have gotten on a Paws yeet, so it would have had to be me and MsP working together to switch over at the last second. Regardless of the numbers, I'm talking more about Zenge's possible strategy there since I could see wolfy motivation to do that and it's realistic to expect that not enough people would have been around to make a Paws yeet happen, and that's what happened.

Even excluding Paws who wouldn't vote for herself, dubz and Mel were definitely on prior to and after the Zenge vote. Fine if you think Zenge is wolfy, but the Paws vote wasn't an impossibility by any definition since even with no one but you and MsP, it still could have happened.

 

[Lawpy]

I’m partially here!

 

[Aprilthearab]

Even excluding Paws who wouldn't vote for herself, dubz and Mel were definitely on prior to and after the Zenge vote. Fine if you think Zenge is wolfy, but the Paws vote wasn't an impossibility by any definition since even with no one but you and MsP, it still could have happened.

I'm not really stuck on whether or not the yeet could have happened. I'm more interested in how he avoided the 3 way tie and held his vote until the last minute.

 

[WildZoo]

Welp I tried but I'm gonna have to read the EOD scramble when sobered

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

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I will be taking shots tonight as my sole duty
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I would like to follow up to say that I fulfilled my duties and ended up inside of a dryer at a laundromat. Why? Idk, my friend thought it sounded fun and you know, it was.
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[Lawpy]

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I would like to follow up to say that I fulfilled my duties and ended up inside of a dryer at a laundromat. Why? Idk, my friend thought it sounded fun and you know, it was.
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protect coffee?

 

[Melchizedek]

@Animal Midwife @WildZoo

I’m deciding whether or not to policy vote you. That was bad villaging.

 

[Zenge142]

I'm not really stuck on whether or not the yeet could have happened. I'm more interested in how he avoided the 3 way tie and held his vote until the last minute.

The 3-way tie was you, Bobs, and Ms. P.

I didn’t like any of them for a vote.

Ms. P. Came on the thread vomiting village in her Ms.P way here

Spoiler

I swear we've had this conversation in another thread before. The time I vote is NAI



Why?



So you're sal yeeting AM?



So you're salt voting AM on behalf of other people? How is that helpful?



It's a little late in the game to be non-serious voting someone



Again, we've had this conversation before

Not a fan of bobs joke rojo
I think crays low posting status is more likely do to irl business rather than wolfy. She has an extremely low post count for a 36 hour game so I don't think she's a wolf laying low

I only saw the good time to kill genny one. I must have missed the second one. I think that rojo was a bit different from the one bob made because she was directly accused of possibly being a wolf.

Her salt vote on you on behalf of other people was extremely weird. I do however agree with the reason she gave for her salt yeet vote on bob.

Bob’s posts haven’t struck me as wolfy. I don’t agree with the Cray yeet, but I see where Village Bob is coming from logically. He can be hard to read but I wanted to give him at least a cycle to get a better handle on him.

That leaves you, who I normally see as being a lot sketchier day one as a villager and I’m not getting that vibe, which makes you the worst of the ties but like Bob I wanted to give it a cycle. To get a better read.

Cray is IRL busy and has had a string of dying early lately so I wanted to give her a pass for now.

Genny and Mel I almost always think are wolfing and it turns out they’re not, so I need to do better about reading them and not jumping to yeet them D1.

I’m leaning AM as village so I don’t want to vote there.

That leaves Dubz and Paws. Of the two of them, I didn’t have a good read on either but felt slightly worse about paws. I tried to get Midwife to help parse the situation, hence my asking her about them specifically, but it wasn’t terribly illuminating. In the end I landed on Paws, but I didn’t feel any better about it than I would have felt voting for most of the other players.

I was hoping some more information would come out in the last hour since people like to contribute a lot more at vote close but I didn’t find anything damning enough to really make me feel good about places to vote.

 

[Animal Midwife]

@Animal Midwife @WildZoo

I’m deciding whether or not to policy vote you. That was bad villaging.

I mean, if I'm policy voted then that's the game we're playing.

 

[Melchizedek]

Bob’s posts haven’t struck me as wolfy. I don’t agree with the Cray yeet, but I see where Village Bob is coming from logically. He can be hard to read but I wanted to give him at least a cycle to get a better handle on him.

Did you not just watch Wolf!Bob use that exact same reason for voting Cray D1? I don’t think he’s wolfing but this is a weird reason to give him village cred

The rest of the above quoted post also makes me want to vote you. It offered no real insight and doesn’t track with your actions. If genny and I are hard to read, then push us, ask questions, do something to help you evaluate us. I don’t think you did anything of the sort D1 except ask me a follow up question about what I wanted to ask WZ.

April is trending down for me so I expect sharp improvement soon or I'm moving there.

With this in mind, what made you stay on MsP? How did your read on April evolve? I want specifics. The other half of the reason I voted April was to see where you would end your vote.

 

[Animal Midwife]

With this in mind, what made you stay on MsP? How did your read on April evolve? I want specifics. The other half of the reason I voted April was to see where you would end your vote.

I was uncomfortable with her delayed self-prez which I've seen her do as a wolf multiple times before. My April read has not evolved. I'm in the same spot as I was earlier with her.

 

[WildZoo]

@Animal Midwife @WildZoo

I’m deciding whether or not to policy vote you. That was bad villaging.

Oh no, I've been accused of being a bad villager, what else is new?

 

[WildZoo]

The 3-way tie was you, Bobs, and Ms. P.

I didn’t like any of them for a vote.

Ms. P. Came on the thread vomiting village in her Ms.P way here

Bob’s posts haven’t struck me as wolfy. I don’t agree with the Cray yeet, but I see where Village Bob is coming from logically. He can be hard to read but I wanted to give him at least a cycle to get a better handle on him.

That leaves you, who I normally see as being a lot sketchier day one as a villager and I’m not getting that vibe, which makes you the worst of the ties but like Bob I wanted to give it a cycle. To get a better read.

Cray is IRL busy and has had a string of dying early lately so I wanted to give her a pass for now.

Genny and Mel I almost always think are wolfing and it turns out they’re not, so I need to do better about reading them and not jumping to yeet them D1.

I’m leaning AM as village so I don’t want to vote there.

That leaves Dubz and Paws. Of the two of them, I didn’t have a good read on either but felt slightly worse about paws. I tried to get Midwife to help parse the situation, hence my asking her about them specifically, but it wasn’t terribly illuminating. In the end I landed on Paws, but I didn’t feel any better about it than I would have felt voting for most of the other players.

I was hoping some more information would come out in the last hour since people like to contribute a lot more at vote close but I didn’t find anything damning enough to really make me feel good about places to vote.

What has you leaning AM village already?

 

[WildZoo]

Even excluding Paws who wouldn't vote for herself, dubz and Mel were definitely on prior to and after the Zenge vote. Fine if you think Zenge is wolfy, but the Paws vote wasn't an impossibility by any definition since even with no one but you and MsP, it still could have happened.

I think you know I wasn't going to vote Paws out d1, and I'd have a hard time seeing Mel doing it either unless he got a strong ping.

Also I wasn't here anymore when Zenge voted I don't think.

 

[WildZoo]

I'm a little wigged out by Zenge's vote-holding in a place that is almost guaranteed not to gain traction in 3 minutes and avoiding involvement with the 3-way tie

I'd have to look back but I don't think vote-holding is a wolf!Zenge characteristic.

 

[Zenge142]

Did you not just watch Wolf!Bob use that exact same reason for voting Cray D1? I don’t think he’s wolfing but this is a weird reason to give him village cred

Going after low posters is also something he became keen on doing initially as a villager in Lawpy. I’m not giving him village credit, I’m saying it’s something he could do as a villager and I’ve seen him do as a villager.

If genny and I are hard to read, then push us, ask questions, do something to help you evaluate us. I don’t think you did anything of the sort D1 except ask me a follow up question about what I wanted to ask WZ.

I asked Genny a question and she didn’t respond at all. I had follow ups if she had answered it, but regardless I’m not presently in favor of trying to get a read and placing a vote on Genny D1, one way or the other because I’ve been wrong so frequently.

As for you, you gave a non answer to that question, which is something you do as any affiliation. You stonewall and refuse to engage in conversation. It was the biggest thing that led to me voting for you in Lawpy. I’m not sure my asking you questions has ever yielded helpful or worthwhile results. I think it’s a little bit of a “Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown” situation for you to claim I should ask you questions when you never answer the questions I ask you in a meaningful way or engage in useful discussion.

 

[Zenge142]

What has you leaning AM village already?

Her play usually comes across as village to me, unless she does something that really spooks me. Nothings been spooky yet.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Night closed pls

 

[Melchizedek]

Going after low posters is also something he became keen on doing initially as a villager in Lawpy. I’m not giving him village credit, I’m saying it’s something he could do as a villager and I’ve seen him do as a villager.

I asked Genny a question and she didn’t respond at all. I had follow ups if she had answered it, but regardless I’m not presently in favor of trying to get a read and placing a vote on Genny D1, one way or the other because I’ve been wrong so frequently.

As for you, you gave a non answer to that question, which is something you do as any affiliation. You stonewall and refuse to engage in conversation. It was the biggest thing that led to me voting for you in Lawpy. I’m not sure my asking you questions has ever yielded helpful or worthwhile results. I think it’s a little bit of a “Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown” situation for you to claim I should ask you questions when you never answer the questions I ask you in a meaningful way or engage in useful discussion.

Nah she answered it unprompted. I had “huh? Why’d she pick zenge?” reaction and she said earlier why.



Okay as long as I get to win

This is not a non-answer, it’s exactly what I was thinking and Dubz already answered my question so I didn’t need to waste time or threadspace asking her again.



WZ’s “well she has to flip wolf someday” is lazy villaging at best, and an easy D1 vote for a wolf at worst. Your D1 pass for modding has expired.
Contingency Vote WZ

 

[WildZoo]

WZ’s “well she has to flip wolf someday” is lazy villaging at best, and an easy D1 vote for a wolf at worst. Your D1 pass for modding has expired.
Contingency Vote WZ

That was not the extent of my reasoning. She was an info point on three other players, and someone who I have a hard time pinning down unless she posts in a very specific way, which maybe happens 10% of the time she plays. Otherwise she ghosts. But saying my only reason was "she has to be a wolf sometime" is disingenuous. I only said that because you categorically called her a bad d1 vote.

 

[WildZoo]

Plus I modded two games in a row so I should get two passes, thank you very much 😛

 

[cubsrule4e]

NIGHT 1
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After witnessing the death of one of their own so soon, the reality sunk in that getting too out of control can lead to some really bad things. Afterall, day after day of clubbing is a marathon, not a sprint. Thus, the group decided to pack it in early for the evening, hoping that no other misery would befall them if they could manage to behave themselves. It seems like it had worked... at least for now.

Spoiler: Dead is...

Null (or something)

​

Bounced from the bar:

6. @Ms Procrastinator - Lemon drop, village JOAT


There are currently 9 players
1. @Crayola227
2. @BobLoblaw78
3. @genny
5. @Zenge142
7. @WildZoo
8. @Aprilthearab
9. @Animal Midwife
10. @JustPaws
11. @Melchizedek

Day closes tomorrow, MONDAY 11/29, @ 10PM ET

 

[Melchizedek]

That was not the extent of my reasoning. She was an info point on three other players, and someone who I have a hard time pinning down unless she posts in a very specific way, which maybe happens 10% of the time she plays. Otherwise she ghosts. But saying my only reason was "she has to be a wolf sometime" is disingenuous. I only said that because you categorically called her a bad d1 vote.

Now that you’re dehydrated, What is your analysis of her flip? Who did you get info on and how did it affect your reads?

 

[WildZoo]

Now that you’re dehydrated, What is your analysis of her flip? Who did you get info on and how did it affect your reads?

I feel better about April, a bit worse about AM, genny didn't get points in either direction

 

[cubsrule4e]

OFFICIAL DAY 2 What Hangover? Vote Tally

WZ (1) - Mel (c)


1/9

Vote Close Tomorrow, MONDAY @ 10PM ET

 

[Melchizedek]

true village - no one yet
Bob
Genny
Paws, AM, Cray -neutrals
April, Zenge
WZ

 

[Zenge142]

true village - no one yet
Bob
Genny
Paws, AM, Cray -neutrals
April, Zenge
WZ

Why is Bob your “most village” player?
Followed closely by Genny? What do you see there that has you so confident?

 

[WildZoo]

true village - no one yet
Bob
Genny
Paws, AM, Cray -neutrals
April, Zenge
WZ

Ew

 

[WildZoo]

Yeet Mel

That's a terrible list for someone who has been bragging about nabbing wolves early and calling other people bad villagers

 

[Animal Midwife]

true village - no one yet
Bob
Genny
Paws, AM, Cray -neutrals
April, Zenge
WZ

I can't comprehend why Zenge is so low.

 

[Zenge142]

Yeet Mel

That's a terrible list for someone who has been bragging about nabbing wolves early and calling other people bad villagers

I can get behind this. I want to at least hear the reasoning behind Bob and Genny, and give the cycle a little more time, to get a better sense of everyone, but I agree with this sentiment.

 

[Melchizedek]

Why is Bob your “most village” player?
Followed closely by Genny? What do you see there that has you so confident?

I feel like I have a good handle on bob’s meta because he usually doesn’t ping for me and the two times he has, he’s flipped wolf. I’m applying for a bob card if I can catch him wolfing one more time. It’s a rigidity and forced tone that gives him away.

Wolf!genny gets spooked when I sheep her. It’s village points here that she didn’t but it’s not enough to put her more than a village lean.

Yeet Mel

That's a terrible list for someone who has been bragging about nabbing wolves early and calling other people bad villagers

Yes because I’ve never had reads that are completely different from thread consensus or individual players before.

I can't comprehend why Zenge is so low.

Vote holding, combined with observations I’ve made above.

 

[Melchizedek]

Yeet Mel

That's a terrible list for someone who has been bragging about nabbing wolves early and calling other people bad villagers

You want to back this up? Which reads do you disagree with? What are your specific reasons for why you disagree?

 

[Zenge142]

Wolf!genny gets spooked when I sheep her. It’s village points here that she didn’t but it’s not enough to put her more than a village lean.

How far apart are Bob and Genny, and Genny and neutral?

 

[Melchizedek]

How far apart are Bob and Genny, and Genny and neutral?

Genny is just out of neutrals, bob is two degrees out of neutral

 

[Animal Midwife]

I think you know I wasn't going to vote Paws out d1, and I'd have a hard time seeing Mel doing it either unless he got a strong ping.

Also I wasn't here anymore when Zenge voted I don't think.

No, I don't know that you wouldn't vote Paws D1. That's not something you've ever said you wouldn't do.

 

[WildZoo]

From least to most village because what even are wolf pings

Mel - as I said

Paws - haven't seen anything that felt like real wolf hunting from her, and I see she says she sat on my vote yesterday because she felt like she didn't have anywhere better to go, I just don't buy it

AM - I have a couple village points and a couple places where I raised an eyebrow. MsP flip and not seeing her April case keeps her in neutral.

Cray - my intuition is that wolf cray would be posting more despite life stuff but I don't have anything to back that up. She stays here until I see more.

April - not throwing down the reading card yet but feels like d1 village April so far, complete with all the widespread sus

genny - I do believe I saw a hint of the Genny Way (TM). Maybe I'll get my reading card back soon

Bob - As I said yesterday, tone is different from last game's wolf!Blobs and I'd hang my hat on it (but not eat it)

Zenge - Reading card activate and y'all can FITE me on it

 

[WildZoo]

No, I don't know that you wouldn't vote Paws D1. That's not something you've ever said you wouldn't do.

When she hasn't played in months and you guys literally only signed up so the sketchmasons could play together?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Vote holding, combined with observations I’ve made above.

What do you think the wolfy motivation of vote holding was? Remind me what the other observations were because I just remember you saying the Bob village read was weird. (Which surprises me since you're village reading him strongly as well.)

 

[genny]

@genny who would be your 2nd choice after April?

Dubz, I think.

I asked Genny a question and she didn’t respond at all.

I said I wasn't going to be around.

Wolf!genny gets spooked when I sheep her.

Village!genny does too, especially on D1 because my D1 votes are usually wrong (much like Dubz's).

 

[WildZoo]

Yes because I’ve never had reads that are completely different from thread consensus or individual players before.

From where I'm sitting you've got two villagers in your top wolf reads and a probable third, so yes that bothers me given your recent track record.

 

[Animal Midwife]

When she hasn't played in months and you guys literally only signed up so the sketchmasons could play together?

Sure?

 

[WildZoo]

Dubz, I think

genny pls

 

[genny]

From least to most village because what even are wolf pings

Mel - as I said

Paws - haven't seen anything that felt like real wolf hunting from her, and I see she says she sat on my vote yesterday because she felt like she didn't have anywhere better to go, I just don't buy it

AM - I have a couple village points and a couple places where I raised an eyebrow. MsP flip and not seeing her April case keeps her in neutral.

Cray - my intuition is that wolf cray would be posting more despite life stuff but I don't have anything to back that up. She stays here until I see more.

April - not throwing down the reading card yet but feels like d1 village April so far, complete with all the widespread sus

genny - I do believe I saw a hint of the Genny Way (TM). Maybe I'll get my reading card back soon

Bob - As I said yesterday, tone is different from last game's wolf!Blobs and I'd hang my hat on it (but not eat it)

Zenge - Reading card activate and y'all can FITE me on it

Oh I actually like this list. Maybe not Dubz.

edit: Meant maybe Dubz is not wolfing. Not maybe I don't like Dubz. LOL

 

[WildZoo]

Sure?

...seriously?

 

[Animal Midwife]

...seriously?

dubz, I don't know what your rules are for voting returning people. I'll easily vote someone out who hasn't played in years if I think there's an extremely high chance they're wolfing.

 

[Melchizedek]

What do you think the wolfy motivation of vote holding was? Remind me what the other observations were because I just remember you saying the Bob village read was weird. (Which surprises me since you're village reading him strongly as well.)

The 3-way tie was you, Bobs, and Ms. P.

I didn’t like any of them for a vote.

Ms. P. Came on the thread vomiting village in her Ms.P way here

Bob’s posts haven’t struck me as wolfy. I don’t agree with the Cray yeet, but I see where Village Bob is coming from logically. He can be hard to read but I wanted to give him at least a cycle to get a better handle on him.

That leaves you, who I normally see as being a lot sketchier day one as a villager and I’m not getting that vibe, which makes you the worst of the ties but like Bob I wanted to give it a cycle. To get a better read.

Cray is IRL busy and has had a string of dying early lately so I wanted to give her a pass for now.

Genny and Mel I almost always think are wolfing and it turns out they’re not, so I need to do better about reading them and not jumping to yeet them D1.

I’m leaning AM as village so I don’t want to vote there.

That leaves Dubz and Paws. Of the two of them, I didn’t have a good read on either but felt slightly worse about paws. I tried to get Midwife to help parse the situation, hence my asking her about them specifically, but it wasn’t terribly illuminating. In the end I landed on Paws, but I didn’t feel any better about it than I would have felt voting for most of the other players.

I was hoping some more information would come out in the last hour since people like to contribute a lot more at vote close but I didn’t find anything damning enough to really make me feel good about places to vote.

Did you not just watch Wolf!Bob use that exact same reason for voting Cray D1? I don’t think he’s wolfing but this is a weird reason to give him village cred

The rest of the above quoted post also makes me want to vote you. It offered no real insight and doesn’t track with your actions. If genny and I are hard to read, then push us, ask questions, do something to help you evaluate us. I don’t think you did anything of the sort D1 except ask me a follow up question about what I wanted to ask WZ.

I don’t care he’s village reading bob, a wolf can village read someone confidently because they know the villagers, but his reason was that bob was going after low posters. Bob hid behind that exact reason last game for a D1 vote and flipped wolf so to me it should be NAI but Zenge only addresses it in a village light, which sets my teeth on edge.