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cubsrule4e said:
DAY 1
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What a day for Club BastardMods. Shots were slammin', Dancers were jammin', and Cash registers were clangin'. Friends were made, alliances paved, and sides were chosen. Unfortunately for one person, she didnt seem to have enough popularity to break into one of the cliques. Perhaps she kept to herself too much, perhaps her demeanor rubbed people the wrong way. She was a bit salty in personality, but deep down she was nothing but sugar. As part owner of Club BastardMods, I can truly say I feel her pain. As the cliques gathered around the bar for another round of celebratory shots, the sun finally set underneath the horizon. As the shot glasses slammed back onto the oaken bar, a loud CRASH could be heard, unmistakable for the sound of shattering glass. Almost in unison the bar populus yelled "PARTY FOUL!!!!!!" and continued to joke and laugh amongst themselves. One of the bartenders slowly and solemnly emerged from the behind the bar, brush and dustpan in hand, and slowly began to unceremoniously clean up the mess.

@Ms Procrastinator - LEMON DROP, village JOAT, who could track, watch, and protect a player 1x each

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Bounced from the bar:

6. @Ms Procrastinator - Lemon drop, village JOAT


There are currently 9 players
1. @Crayola227
2. @BobLoblaw78
3. @genny
5. @Zenge142
7. @WildZoo
8. @Aprilthearab
9. @Animal Midwife
10. @JustPaws
11. @Melchizedek

Night closes at 10AM ET
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Are we thinking probably 3 scum for a game this size?
 
Aprilthearab said:
Well, since you asked, Cray, Mel, Bob, Genny, Paws, and Dubz. Which left just four of us, and I don't think you would have gotten on a Paws yeet, so it would have had to be me and MsP working together to switch over at the last second. Regardless of the numbers, I'm talking more about Zenge's possible strategy there since I could see wolfy motivation to do that and it's realistic to expect that not enough people would have been around to make a Paws yeet happen, and that's what happened.
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It's true I peaced out after voting, but when someone drops a vote 10 min to deadline you can't exactly rule out that they're not around. So this logic is a little weird.
 
Zenge142 said:
The 3-way tie was you, Bobs, and Ms. P.

I didn’t like any of them for a vote.

Ms. P. Came on the thread vomiting village in her Ms.P way here

Bob’s posts haven’t struck me as wolfy. I don’t agree with the Cray yeet, but I see where Village Bob is coming from logically. He can be hard to read but I wanted to give him at least a cycle to get a better handle on him.

That leaves you, who I normally see as being a lot sketchier day one as a villager and I’m not getting that vibe, which makes you the worst of the ties but like Bob I wanted to give it a cycle. To get a better read.

Cray is IRL busy and has had a string of dying early lately so I wanted to give her a pass for now.

Genny and Mel I almost always think are wolfing and it turns out they’re not, so I need to do better about reading them and not jumping to yeet them D1.

I’m leaning AM as village so I don’t want to vote there.

That leaves Dubz and Paws. Of the two of them, I didn’t have a good read on either but felt slightly worse about paws. I tried to get Midwife to help parse the situation, hence my asking her about them specifically, but it wasn’t terribly illuminating. In the end I landed on Paws, but I didn’t feel any better about it than I would have felt voting for most of the other players.

I was hoping some more information would come out in the last hour since people like to contribute a lot more at vote close but I didn’t find anything damning enough to really make me feel good about places to vote.
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Not really convinced this move or post by Zenge is wolfy, unless one of the tied people really included a wolf and this was ultimately what he decided to do about it? Still seems kinda weird if he was trying to save a wolf mate to put a vote in Paws.
 
Zenge142 said:
The 3-way tie was you, Bobs, and Ms. P.

I didn’t like any of them for a vote.

Ms. P. Came on the thread vomiting village in her Ms.P way here

Bob’s posts haven’t struck me as wolfy. I don’t agree with the Cray yeet, but I see where Village Bob is coming from logically. He can be hard to read but I wanted to give him at least a cycle to get a better handle on him.

That leaves you, who I normally see as being a lot sketchier day one as a villager and I’m not getting that vibe, which makes you the worst of the ties but like Bob I wanted to give it a cycle. To get a better read.

Cray is IRL busy and has had a string of dying early lately so I wanted to give her a pass for now.

Genny and Mel I almost always think are wolfing and it turns out they’re not, so I need to do better about reading them and not jumping to yeet them D1.

I’m leaning AM as village so I don’t want to vote there.

That leaves Dubz and Paws. Of the two of them, I didn’t have a good read on either but felt slightly worse about paws. I tried to get Midwife to help parse the situation, hence my asking her about them specifically, but it wasn’t terribly illuminating. In the end I landed on Paws, but I didn’t feel any better about it than I would have felt voting for most of the other players.

I was hoping some more information would come out in the last hour since people like to contribute a lot more at vote close but I didn’t find anything damning enough to really make me feel good about places to vote.
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Unless he wanted to avoid being on a bad misyeet, if all were villagers. Eh.
 
Melchizedek said:
I feel like I have a good handle on bob’s meta because he usually doesn’t ping for me and the two times he has, he’s flipped wolf. I’m applying for a bob card if I can catch him wolfing one more time. It’s a rigidity and forced tone that gives him away.

Wolf!genny gets spooked when I sheep her. It’s village points here that she didn’t but it’s not enough to put her more than a village lean.



Yes because I’ve never had reads that are completely different from thread consensus or individual players before.


Vote holding, combined with observations I’ve made above.
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Will admit I have been liking Cheezit's posts.

I feel torn on Zenge though.
 
WildZoo said:
From least to most village because what even are wolf pings

Mel - as I said

Paws - haven't seen anything that felt like real wolf hunting from her, and I see she says she sat on my vote yesterday because she felt like she didn't have anywhere better to go, I just don't buy it

AM - I have a couple village points and a couple places where I raised an eyebrow. MsP flip and not seeing her April case keeps her in neutral.

Cray - my intuition is that wolf cray would be posting more despite life stuff but I don't have anything to back that up. She stays here until I see more.

April - not throwing down the reading card yet but feels like d1 village April so far, complete with all the widespread sus

genny - I do believe I saw a hint of the Genny Way (TM). Maybe I'll get my reading card back soon :bucktooth:

Bob - As I said yesterday, tone is different from last game's wolf!Blobs and I'd hang my hat on it (but not eat it)

Zenge - Reading card activate and y'all can FITE me on it
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And then she does this, lol. Looks OK
 
Crayola227 said:
Can you explain further? With little words so I can understand?
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MsP is very often voted off D1 for inactivity and if I remember correctly AM does it almost every time she can. Its annoying and just lazy. Give the player a chance to freaking play. If we keep voting her off early game the majority of the time she plays, how is she supposed to get better? Its just really irritating when people do the same thing over and over and don't learn from being wrong. Its further irritating because dubz mocked players last game for voting off alley D1 and saying people don't learn from their mistakes. Pot and kettle much? I don't care if AM and Dubz are wolf or village this game. I think that was a ****ty thing to do.


ETA: if a player IS ghost wolfing, then I will never feel bad for not catching them. Its an equally ****ty and cheap wolfing strategy and people should feel bad for implementing it.
 
Melchizedek said:
MsP is very often voted off D1 for inactivity and if I remember correctly AM does it almost every time she can. Its annoying and just lazy. Give the player a chance to freaking play. If we keep voting her off early game the majority of the time she plays, how is she supposed to get better? Its just really irritating when people do the same thing over and over and don't learn from being wrong. Its further irritating because dubz mocked players last game for voting off alley D1 and saying people don't learn from their mistakes. Pot and kettle much? I don't care if AM and Dubz are wolf or village this game. I think that was a ****ty thing to do.


ETA: if a player IS ghost wolfing, then I will never feel bad for not catching them. Its an equally ****ty and cheap wolfing strategy and people should feel bad for implementing it.
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Yeah I agree. Especially when MsP actually started off strong and was voting and her content posts were content and also original. Of all the times to vote off MsP, this was not it.
 
Melchizedek said:
MsP is very often voted off D1 for inactivity and if I remember correctly AM does it almost every time she can. Its annoying and just lazy. Give the player a chance to freaking play. If we keep voting her off early game the majority of the time she plays, how is she supposed to get better? Its just really irritating when people do the same thing over and over and don't learn from being wrong. Its further irritating because dubz mocked players last game for voting off alley D1 and saying people don't learn from their mistakes. Pot and kettle much? I don't care if AM and Dubz are wolf or village this game. I think that was a ****ty thing to do.


ETA: if a player IS ghost wolfing, then I will never feel bad for not catching them. Its an equally ****ty and cheap wolfing strategy and people should feel bad for implementing it.
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Alright, son. I'll remember that the next time you misyeet LHF Vis for "acting different."
 
WildZoo said:
Well I'm surprised you don't since I feel like I've said it on multiple occasions. Sure if I get a hard wolf ping, but knowing my d1 accuracy I'd have a hard time being confident enough to vote someone out who just returned and was unlikely to play again for a while. I give a lot of d1 passes.
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Meant to say I too was loathe to vote Paws D1 irrespective of anything because she hasn't played in a while and likely won't after she pops which is pretty soon.
 
Zenge142 said:
I’m saying it’s not a compelling reason to vote him out D1. Do you find it compelling?

I’m perplexed at why you’re fighting so hard to say Bob could be a wolf, when Bob is your top village read.
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I don't want to answer for Mel, but don't think I will be pointing out that just because you're village reading someone, doesn't make someone else's village read of the same person any less potentially sketch. It doesn't even matter if you and the other person is right. The other person could be a wolf. So it matters greatly how people are coming to correct reads or reads that match your own, it's all in the reasoning.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Actually, I also wouldn't kill Zenge either because he was a previous N1 while I was present.
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Yes and you wouldn't kill me either, but not out of courtesy but because you love bringing me to end game for torture.

Can I get an award for your favorite player to bring to end game when you wolf? It would be like a salve to my battered ego.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Village:
Bob
Village lean:
April- seems to be village to me. Would be poor wolf play on her part imo
AM- nothing like last game as wolf or others that I recall
Neutral:
Genny- seems more village but not enough to say leaning yet
Cray- too little info for me but not wolfy
Paws- same
Wolf lean:
WZ- mainly down here bc of defense of zenge. Wolfpack with Zenge would make so much sense
Zenge- feels a lot like village zenge, but something feels too warm and cozy about some of his posts and reactions
Wolf:
None yet
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Like this. Sadly I also really liked your play last game when you were wolf and my Bob love almost got me misyeeted. Thankfully AM was wolfing, and she wasn't about to let me die before endgame lol.

What about Mel?
 
WildZoo said:
It wasn't the vote, that alone is null. It was that she stayed there when MsP appeared, and when I was rereading her posts this morning they seemed to me more like the kind of posts village MsP makes, which I thought AM was decent at picking up on.

I do recognize that I read those posts and came to that conclusion after knowing MsP flipped village though. And AM had the point about MsP holding her self prez vote as a wolf previously. I don't have the time or energy to verify that.
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Do agree with the point about AM made by Dubz here.

If either of WZ, Mel, or AM is wolfing this game, so help us God. Because they are very good at making points on other players, and one could easily get caught up in a circle of suspicion and indecision.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I'm not sure why you'd think that when I have historically misread and misyeeted MsP more times than I have fingers.
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Good counterpoint. However early game I have seen you reward good MsP participation by moving off her and giving her a bit more time to continue. So this does seem a little odd.

Unless you're saying that you really thought MsP's play was wolfy this time?
 
WildZoo said:
I know that. But from my recollection that's when she's been full ghost mode, or close to it. I thought the times she's actually shown up and made effort to post useful content you've been able to get a read on her in the past? If not, then my bad for misremembering.
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Even if she doesn't get a read, if she doesn't have an actual read on MsP but MsP is actually playing, she has given her at least a cycle before. I won't speak to AM getting a read on her, I don't know that, but she has given her space.
 
WildZoo said:
No, that's not why AM votes for people. I think it's kind of funny that as far as I can tell she follows roughly the same guidelines every game and yet it's still some big mystery to everyone why she chooses whoever for her d1 vote.

My impression has always been that she picks someone she has a hard time reading (often a lowposter but not always), so that she can attempt to get an early read based on their response as well as other people's reactions to the votes. She often stays, yes, but that does not mean it was a policy vote to begin with, to me it just means they didn't do enough to get her to move.

Watch me be absolutely wrong on this
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I agree
 
Zenge142 said:
Village:
Animal Midwife - I haven’t seen anything I would call howling. Tentative village read. Will be interesting to see where she votes and who she pushes today though.

Aprilthearab - I’ve started seeing some of the things that Village!April does that ping me and make me think she’s wolfy. I felt like her push of me for my voting decisions came from a genuine village mindset.

WildZoo- Village lean. She’s cunning as a wolf and I need to see more before I feel really good about this, but there’s things that would make it hard for me to believe this was wolf Dubz.

Neutral:
genny - I just don’t know yet. Need more information.

Crayola227 - Hasn’t posted nearly enough to get a good read one way or the other.

BobLoblaw78 - Not really confident one way or the other on this. I can make a case for both village!Bob and Wolf!Bob. Reads list wasn’t too great, but not bad enough to slip him into the wolf category just yet.

Wolf:
JustPaws - I haven’t seen anything to change my early read here, but I’m definitely willing to re-evaluate if I see more.

Melchizedek - I feel like I always wolf read Mel so I’m cautious here, but the reads list was off enough that I moved him down from neutral. I’ve been wrong on Mel before though.

Overall I’m hoping to see more this cycle that’ll help me re-evaluate and get a stronger read on the players.
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I can't tell if this is Village Zenge or hedgy as heck.
 
WildZoo said:
Yes...genny was saying that, April said it was NAI.
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Hmmm, wondering if this was something that subconsciously set off my genny wolfdar.

She somehow feels more aggressive this game.

Ah sheet I was about to be like to Paws, my wolf cub sibling, "Remember when we wolfed with genny and she told us how she likes to let village destroy itself rather than be aggressive?"

But then I remembered that my and Paws' first wolf out was with LIS and Pippy is our wolf mother.

It was my second wolf out with Coffee, her first, with genny. I hope I'm not forgetting someone from that pack. Anyway genny also taught me about wolfing.
 
Crayola227 said:
Good counterpoint. However early game I have seen you reward good MsP participation by moving off her and giving her a bit more time to continue. So this does seem a little odd.

Unless you're saying that you really thought MsP's play was wolfy this time?
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I wouldn't vote someone unless I had reason to believe they have wolf equity.

Unless, of course they have super neutral energy and I have good reason to believe they'd intentionally gamethrow even if village should they live to endgame. Thankfully, I rarely have to use this reasoning.
 
I'm concerned I can feel the gravitational pull of a Cheezit pocket. The issue with him is that he is a very insightful villager and he is able to emulate that so well as a wolf. Unless bussing, not seeing compatibility with April and Zenge. The one game he was wolfing I felt the pull of his pocket, and also agreed with many of his posts. I am leaning him village, but with extreme paranoid prejudice.

Genny's interaction with April was concerning, and still is even with April setting off other people's pings. But also noted a more aggressive genny, which on the surface is not c/w her stated approach to wolfing. But I'm not sure how valid that is. My lean on genny is wolfy, but my brain wants to say village. It's a neutral read with conflicting instinct vs rationalization.

AM feels distinctly village, and I do actually think I'm better at reading her than she gives me credit for. It is very rare that I will be convinced she's wolfing when she wolfs, but it has more to do with the size of my misgivings. I probably do a better job when I am convinced she's village than with any other type of read (usually when she wolfs, I am not village reading her and have serious misgivings. There have been times I've gone after her hard for wolfing when she was village. So it's probably only fair to say that I only trust my read of her when I am fairly sure she's village).

The thing with AM voting MsP does feel a little off, though. Otherwise she feels like Village Midwife. It's early game, though. So don't hold me to this. This is just my early read and my musings about my ability to read her or lack thereof.

Bob just feels like Bob right now, and my default when Bob feels like Bob is a village lean for whatever reason. The fact I'm having a harder time telling jokes fron serious from him rn I'm taking as a positive sign though. Logic is weaker on some points which ironically seems to be more of a Village than Wolf Bob thing. If he makes some posts I truly find unintelligible as he has in the past, it may secure a village read of him.

Paws is also very difficult to read. I probably have her most in neutrals of anyone. Don't take that as a positive by any means.

I don't think I can read Zenge for shyte. Agree with Bob about Zenge's tone which feels a bit buddying. The vote thing actually feel pretty null too, it's hard to make a case for it being wolfy. This is maybe where Mel's logic has a weak point. I have a neutral to wolf read on him.

I may feel the worst about Dubz. Refer to my post about emotional manip and yeet armor if you want to know why. Not sure if I quoted her posts. Any of them I quoted besides the reads list I did like, is probably a post that gave me feels. Maybe I didn't note them as well as I should have. Wolfy read.

Lastly, April. She feels different but I can't put a finger on how exactly. I have her in neutral to wolfy.

This is not in order of wolfiness btw. Just my random thoughts.

If I go through my thoughts and order it:

AM village lean
Mel tentative village lean
Bob neutral to village
Paws neutral >
Genny = April neutralish to wolfy >
Zenge neutralish to wolfy bu
Dubz wolfy

Honestly I don't even like the look of my own list lol, and I feel like I'm not doing a great job balancing all the points that have been made that could move people up or down, but this is where I am after reading once and a PbPa and basically my feels after doing it.
 
Melchizedek said:
MsP is very often voted off D1 for inactivity and if I remember correctly AM does it almost every time she can. Its annoying and just lazy. Give the player a chance to freaking play. If we keep voting her off early game the majority of the time she plays, how is she supposed to get better? Its just really irritating when people do the same thing over and over and don't learn from being wrong. Its further irritating because dubz mocked players last game for voting off alley D1 and saying people don't learn from their mistakes. Pot and kettle much? I don't care if AM and Dubz are wolf or village this game. I think that was a ****ty thing to do.


ETA: if a player IS ghost wolfing, then I will never feel bad for not catching them. Its an equally ****ty and cheap wolfing strategy and people should feel bad for implementing it.
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Oh Mel. You might want to check your facts before you call people lazy hypocrites. MsP hasn't been voted out d1 in a single game this entire year. She has in fact subbed out mid or late game more often than she's been voted out. So if you might perhaps get off your self-righteous high horse, I think it would be appreciated. At least by me.
 
Crayola227 said:
Are we thinking probably 3 scum for a game this size?
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Possible, that would be worst case, and if that is the case I wouldn't expect them all to be on the same team. Two woofs and a 3p of some kind. Though it would be pushing our usual ratio a bit.
 
I wanted to see when the last time was that MsP was voted out D1

...exactly a year prior to the end of D1 here


kaydubs said:
Day 1: Party Like It’s genny’s Birthday Yeet FINAL Tally

MsP (4) - AM, SAR, DubZ, genny
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kaydubs said:
Yeeted/Voted out of the dinner is @Ms Procrastinator , who was Buttermilk Biscuits, a vanillager.
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That's a little spooky tbh
 
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