You are mistaken. After paws and genny are flipped, I have to figure out whether april or mel should be flipped. Hopefully you can help me out with that decision.
yes that is how i interpreted it.
Yes. A person who plays and it appropriately named. Plays very erratic like a loose cannon imo
I think it's unlikely to be April. I've been able to follow her thoughts better since D2 started. My asking of Mel was more rhetorical.
so who is in your POE besides mel?
I just don't see how he could have know that someone was protecting him as there is no evidence of PMs in the game so far and I didn't see anything on thread to imply that. He was a vanilliger so wasn't creating PMs himself. Plus the JOAT was already dead so multiple protectors in a game this small seems unlikely
Well, I'm voting for Paws. You and genny are floating around in there too but I understand I tend to wolf read you in general so am trying to factor that into things.
Paws, genny made that post asking why there was a no kill night. SDN frequently has loud actions.
I am also happy to admit that I will NK someone twice in a row cuz i don't care either. I don't tend to follow rules about mods or last NK or that stuff cuz i never remember even when I am playing many games. I play for the team I am on. If i think someone should be an NK to save the wolves, I don't care if they just modded. Probably the only exception is if someone has literally been dying over and over and over and I am afraid they might quit WW all together.
good luck with that incorrect read
it just seemed stretchy, especially since your whole point was based on him calling out genny for fishing and then deciding to reveal he was attacked. I still don't know what you thought the wolf motive for that progression would have been. With Zenge flipping vanilla village, both your and Bob's reactions to the "reveal" feel even worse to me than they did at the time.
just that I am not the one that peaces out when wolfing so my availability this game is NAI
I wasn't implying it was intentional. I just assumed you didn't have time to check in.
Who are you thinking?
but he lied in that post so how do we know he was even targeted?
How do you know he lied? Who was targeted for the kill instead?
wolf motive for me would be to justify why he never became a night target in the future. If they are scared to try a kill again, of course they don't target zenge even if he becomes universally read as village. does that make sense?
he lied that he could only get killed in a certain way. he claimed PR but wasn't
He lied about the mechanism of his survival, yes, but I seriously doubt he would have lied about the attack itself
That type of lie is only a problem for wolves who get tricked into thinking they can't target him, thus leaving a clear alive.
but i can only know that he lied about the role. I don't know if he was even targeted. why are you so sure he was targeted? nothing in the writeup implies protection, a protector already had died, and i agreed with mel that it sounded more like night cancel
I meant the motive for initially questioning genny and then deciding to reveal, which seemed to be what you were latching onto as suspicious/an inconsistency at the time.
Did you cancel the night?
once again. you asked me what he lied about and I am only giving you an answer to show what i interpreted as a lie in the post
Because I don't think he would have misled village in a way that would impact our ability to understand the game like that. Lying about how he survived is only going to be detrimental to wolves. Lying that he was attacked at all would have broader effects.
So he lied to the wolves (boo hoo) and now I should assume he's playing against his wincon?
the wolfy motivation there would be to be throwing shade at genny if she was village. so if zenge was wolf, i would have read that as a village point to genny. but he was village so no point cuz it makes sense that maybe he was sketched out by her asking
I have you as one of my most wolfy so excuse me if i don't take you at your word
I think 3 wolves is too many, but 2 wolves isn't enough. So 2 wolves with PR's that is evened out by villager PR's.
you have a lot of faith in him apparently that I have no reason to credit to him. people lie in this game for stupid reasons all the time as village
Well, I am certain that there is a wolf between genny and paws. So I am comfortable once one of them flip wolf that you will feel somewhat better about me. But feel free to yeet me if I'm wrong bc game will pretty much be over by then anyway.
what? that makes no sense, and the bolded seems hella aggro
I don't understand why you're upset he said a lie that only wolves would know was a lie. It didn't harm village at all. More to bat, there zero evidence to suggest he wasn't the night kill attempt or that someone else was the night kill attempt.
I agree with this almost 100%. I feel for the frequently yeeted/NK'd. I had no problem booting zenge first time, but I def would've waited longer before doing N1 kill on same person two games in a row.
i don't care about the lie. WZ was asking me questions about my thought process so I was trying to explain it. should i have ignored her questions?
So then what do you think of the fact that he followed it up with the suggestion that we use who might (or might not) have attacked him n1 as a data point in forming reads?
No, I don't know why you think I'm saying that?
to each their own, and i def have deferred in pack to those who have that preference so it's kind of irrelevant as far as evaluating me. yes i would have killed him if I felt he was the best kill option whether i knew or not but i also would have deferred to another pack member that cared because team moral matters too
Had I attempted a NK on zenge as a wolf, I would not have put out a hairbrained tinfoil that was going to make me look stupid when it would eventually be revealed I was blatantly wrong. I am disappointed my tinfoil was wrong bc I thought it all made sense for a wolfplan.
I thought bob brought that up but maybe only because he and i are currently discussing that?
you asked why i cared so much about the lie. i don't. i am only talking about it because WZ was probing my thought process on the whole interaction and current;y still is. Why do you think she is asking me about it?
He brought it up initially but Zenge endorsed it in this response to you
I assume she's probing to get a better read on you.
What motive would he have to fake claim an attempt on his life if wolves would know it wasn't true??? And that would mean that wolves didn't attack anyone if zenge was not attacked.
and i felt that it was a sufficient response, and since i also thought it was likely he just changed his mind, i then dropped the matter.
And this is why I was continuing to probe
I probably should know this, but how do night cancels happen?
Then I don't understand why you're continuing to suggest that he would have lied about the attack
I am not crazy about you or WZ but am worried that is clouded by the intensity of the current discussions. I still feel good about April, ok about Mel and bob, and so that leaves genny, but she has also not posted very much which in the past was NAI, just makes it hard to interpret. so my POE is you WZ and genny, with reservations on all three, hence why i haven't voted yet
