Should a D-School with 15.8 AA, 2.85 sGPA average be allowed to continue this?

[fiddlestix]

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LOL... First of all the ADA didn't start Meharry or Howard. These schools were founded during a time when black people in this country were prohibited from attending schools like Harvard, Penn, or any other majority university built on the soil of the United States. We had no other choice but to attend these schools if we wanted to have an education. It just so happen that these two historically black colleges now have dental programs. Don't hate because these schools still embrace their original mission statement.

Funny thing is that many of you who are bashing the HBCU's wouldn't even consider enrolling into one for your undergraduate education! However, out of desperation to become a dentist your childhood dream some how switches to you always wanting to attend a historically black college. Give me a break!! Many of you could careless about ever having the black college experience. Which make total sense if you're not black! You just want to graduate with a DDS and go on with your business. There is nothing wrong with that. These schools know that you won't return or even plan to give back to these communities.

Besides, there are plenty of schools that reflect your all white school scenario. Minnesota, Tufts, Harvard, Columbia, Buffalo, just to name a few, have hardly any black students. After looking at the demographics of those schools I decided right away not to apply to them. I didn't want to spend the next four years as the only or one of only two black students in the entire class.

There are about 56 dental schools. Only two are going to have a majority of black students. There are 54 others to choose from which are considered majority schools. Meaning that they are mostly white. So, why be so mad at the only two schools that do things a bit different? It's only 2. You have 54 mostly white schools! 54! LOL....I guess some people just can't be satisfied.

Ignorance at its finest! ^

The schools you mentioned are extremely competitive. If there aren't hardly any black students there, its because they didn't apply or couldn't get it. Problems won't be solved by all black or all white colleges. Things like that screw many people and create even more resentment.

 

[dantheman2007]

keep in mind schools have quotas. this varies from school to school.
some will accept an X number of women, Y number of Asians, Z number of african americans.
we have no control over that.
lets save our energy for issues in which we do have a say

 

[PCrooks]

However, I do NOT agree when people give "disadvantaged" students an excuse to have lower stats. If you want high stats you can get high stats NO MATTER what. Just b/c you are not rich doesn't give you an excuse to have lower stats. People with higher stats work hard for it, they are not at an advantage, its call STUDYING! Thats just my opinion.

Do you think that a person at Baltimore Community College will be better educated than an individual who attends Columbia University? If they just studied??? Columbia has so many more resources that their students would excel further. That's why all of those Jim Crow laws were full of crap. Why do you think parents send their kids to private schools. So that they'll be better prepared to enter college. Regardless, to how much an individual studies the more resources they have access to the better educated they will be. That's why disadvantage individuals are called disadvantaged. They often lack the resources that you and I may have had.

Then again that's your opinion. LOL...Don't think that Meharry is going to stop what they are doing just because you or a few others on SDN don't agree! LOL!

 

[PCrooks]

Ignorance at its finest! ^

The schools you mentioned are extremely competitive. If there aren't hardly any black students there, its because they didn't apply or couldn't get it. Problems won't be solved by all black or all white colleges. Things like that screw many people and create even more resentment.

Do your homework. Those schools didn't allow black students for a long time. If it wasn't for Brown v. The Board of Education they would probably still be that way. Besides, you're the one with the dumbest comment about ADA starting a mostly white school when they clearly already exist in the United States!

 

[denwish]

Ananymous vote.



15.8 AA, 15.6 PAT, 3.01 gpa, 2.85 sgpa


These are the average numbers for Meharry's 2007 entering class.

Should ADA get involved to create higher standard for dental school/dentist?

The interesting point is that there are some sdners that don't like the standards at Meharry and Howard but they still apply to these schools as back up and they end up going there if they are not accepted anywhere else.Dentistry is not all about making money, I know so many devoted dentists graduated from both Howard and Meharry who are providing so many great services to the less fortunate communities that individuals like you will not even think about. So please don't use these two schools as back up okay? cause their statndards are too low for you.

 

[eldirty]

Brown vs the board of education = 1954

Guess what guys? This is America and according to the census, in 2000 74% of the population was white, so it comes to me as no surprise that most colleges consist of primarily white students. The real minority here appears to be Asians .... and the real question should be why were no schools set up back in the 1940s for these Asian students who lacked resources

White
​

221,331,507​

73.9%​

Black or African American​

37,051,483​

12.4%​

American Indian and Alaska Native

2,369,431​

0.8%​

Asian

13,100,095​

4.4%​

Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander

426,194​

0.1%​

Some other race

19,007,129​

6.3%​

Two or more races

6,112,646​

2.0%​

Hispanic or Latino (of any race)

44,252,278​

14.8%​

I found this example interesting:
For example, Harvard University admits 35-40% of legacy applicants, and a rejected white applicant is more likely to have been displaced by a legacy student than by one who benefited from affirmative action."

 

[toothy2112]

I just got my rejection letter this weekend....but judging by those stats I should have been accepted. 😀

 

[UCSF2012]

I just got my rejection letter this weekend....but judging by those stats I should have been accepted. 😀

If you wanted to go to Meharry, I think you should've done worse on the DAT and in school.

 

[KinKs]

This is America and according to the census, in 2000 74% of the population was white, so it comes to me as no surprise that most colleges consist of primarily white students. The real minority here appears to be Asians .... and the real question should be why were no schools set up back in the 1940s for these Asian students who lacked resources

White​

221,331,507

73.9%​

Black or African American​

37,051,483


12.4%​

American Indian and Alaska Native

2,369,431

0.8%​

Asian

13,100,095

4.4%​

Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander

426,194

0.1%​

Some other race

19,007,129

6.3%​

Two or more races

6,112,646

2.0%​

Hispanic or Latino (of any race)

44,252,278

14.8%​

I found this example interesting:
For example, Harvard University admits 35-40% of legacy applicants, and a rejected white applicant is more likely to have been displaced by a legacy student than by one who benefited from affirmative action."

By extension - how is it that 12% of students in dental school are not black or 14.8% latino. The reason this is not so my friend is because of an oppressive system the seeks to further depress the oppressed

 

[dantheman2007]

By extension - how is it that 12% of students in dental school are not black or 14.8% latino. The reason this is not so my friend is because of an oppressive system the seeks to further depress the oppressed

who ever said blacks pursue health professions just as much as whites?
it could be their preference and not oppression

 

[phatmama]

By extension - how is it that 12% of students in dental school are not black or 14.8% latino. The reason this is not so my friend is because of an oppressive system the seeks to further depress the oppressed

It's interesting how you intentionally left out the Asians for some reason. 😕😕😕

 

[KinKs]

MANY people here seek to suggest that a disadvantaged black youth should be able to compete other youths that are not (they should have the same GPA). They should study hard and get the same GPA as someone who has an advantage. That is like saying runner A and runner B should finish a 100m race at the same time even if runner A has a 100m head start.

Do you know what an advantage means?

Even worse, you seek to suggest that an underprevilidged white person is the same as an underprevilidged black person. IF you believe this, I can categorically say that you are not black. No black person would say this as every black person is aware of the realities of being black.

Imagine two black students - A and B. Student A is the smart son of a wealthy politician. He attends a pretigious liberal art college. He is never in need of anything. He has all he needs. His book are bought within the first week of class. He does not commute as he lives on campus. His tuition is always paid in full. Student A studies all the time and gets good grades etc.

Student B goes to a less known state college. He struggles to buy books and struggles to pay tuition. He works 20 to 25 hrs a week as he must supplement the little funds he has. He commutes as he lives at home and does not have a proper place to study as his shares a room with his younger brother. His nutrition is poor as he often do not have enough to eat.

Who would have the higher GPA. The student with more resources - student A.

Student A and student B cannot compete equally for a place at any school if the only criteria for admission is GPA.

More black than white students fall into he category of student B

More white than black students fall in the category of student A

As a result - Howard and Meharry exists to give student like student B a break in a system that had broken them all their live.

NB. This is not an excuse for black students to get poor grades and admission. And by no means am I saying that all white students are rich and get good grades. I am just giving you a taste of the unfair competition that black students from disadvantaged communities recieve

 

[KinKs]

who ever said blacks pursue health professions just as much as whites?
it could be their preference and not oppression

So now you want to say that whites want to be doctors more than blacks wish to be doctors. Next you and your bigot friends will tell me than white students have some genetic factor that makes whites more likely to want to be doctors. Thank God for Meharry and Amen for Howard for if the fate of Black bdentists was left to likes of you, we would still cleaning the floors or dental officies.

 

[TheDrewYouKnew]

THAT I can agree with. Like someone tried to point out above, racism goes both ways. It is not even close to a one way street.

I have many black friends who despite any and all discrimination scored very well on the DAT and were able to not only excel on the collegiate athletic field but also had above average GPAs. Why is everyone talking about inner city, I dont see how being black and from the inner city presents anymore of a challenge than being white and from that same inner city or from the back woods trailer parks. I dream to one day take over my fathers practice in a small rural very under-served area and I believe that everyone should have the right to fight for their dream of becoming a dentist but I also think the bar should be placed at the same level for all applying.

 

[armorshell]

So now you want to say that whites want to be doctors more than blacks wish to be doctors. Next you and your bigot friends will tell me than white students have some genetic factor that makes whites more likely to want to be doctors. Thank God for Meharry and Amen for Howard for if the fate of Black bdentists was left to likes of you, we would still cleaning the floors or dental officies.

Are the percentage of black applicants comparable to the percentage of white applicants?

 

[denticus]

I really hope this person was only joking. Are you referring to just being black for a year to get into dental school or the whole marginalized, unequal life from birth that comes with it no matter what income level? Racism still exists in America, perhaps not as strong or vocal in past years, but it is still here as shown by this poll. If Meharry were to accept more majority-race students, would this thread/poll even exist?

I don't know what airsimon's argument was but in a way I think that you help exacerbate racism simply by saying that it still exists in the face of millions in the US who are trying to forget the past and move on free of any bias towards race. Why? Because by doing so you continue to make race AN ISSUE! The more race is made AN ISSUE the more we see "special treatment", "exceptions" and "separatist movements" take place in the US. I do feel bad for the history of bad treatment that many minorities have had to go through in the US but I just think that if you want everybody to be treated the same regardless of race...then stop looking at race as though it matters. In other words, stop making race AN ISSUE! Forgive and forget...move on! 👍

 

[ChoDog]

Do you think that a person at Baltimore Community College will be better educated than an individual who attends Columbia University? If they just studied??? Columbia has so many more resources that their students would excel further. That's why all of those Jim Crow laws were full of crap. Why do you think parents send their kids to private schools. So that they'll be better prepared to enter college. Regardless, to how much an individual studies the more resources they have access to the better educated they will be. That's why disadvantage individuals are called disadvantaged. They often lack the resources that you and I may have had.

Then again that's your opinion. LOL...Don't think that Meharry is going to stop what they are doing just because you or a few others on SDN don't agree! LOL!

It really doesn't matter what undergrad you attended. Just how many more resources does Columbia have to better educate a student in algebra than at Baltimore CC? It all boils down to effort and determination. I'm a product of the CC system just like many of us here, yet we don't complain about how inferior our educational experiences were compared to an Ivy. I'm a firm believer that if you want something bad enough, you go out there and get it without any excuses...Period...

 

[phatmama]

I don't know what airsimon's argument was but in a way I think that you help exacerbate racism simply by saying that it still exists in the face of millions in the US who are trying to forget the past and move on free of any bias towards race. Why? Because by doing so you continue to make race AN ISSUE! The more race is made AN ISSUE the more we see "special treatment", "exceptions" and "separatist movements" take place in the US. I do feel bad for the history of bad treatment that many minorities have had to go through in the US but I just think that if you want everybody to be treated the same regardless of race...then stop looking at race as though it matters. In other words, stop making race AN ISSUE! Forgive and forget...move on! 👍

LOL. What an ignorant mofo. hahaha I could just laugh at what he said. Racism is irrelevant because you NEVER experienced it first hand. It's not what the minorities HAD to go through is what they are GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW!! Have you had someone call you with racial insults in public? Bust out typical stereotypes about your race and make fun of it? This is just a start. You just need to bust out of your bubble and see more. Start traveling. 👍

 

[denticus]

LOL. What an ignorant mofo. hahaha I could just laugh at what he said. Racism is irrelevant because you NEVER experienced it first hand. It's not what the minorities HAD to go through is what they are GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW!! Have you had someone call you with racial insults in public? Bust out typical stereotypes about your race and make fun of it? This is just a start. You just need to bust out of your bubble and see more. Start traveling. 👍

My argument isn't that racism doesn't exist but rather that racism can be suppressed by making it not AN ISSUE in general. As far as my life experiences with racism...well...don't be "an ignorant mofo", I have traveled and have seen it first hand. The notion that racism is only dealt from the white end is presumptuous and ignorant in and of itself. I can't help but think that you decided to call me names "just because I'm white" and that you're "stereotyping" me in that "just because I'm white", certainly I have "NEVER experienced" it...a little racist don't you think. Again, stop making it AN ISSUE, it really is an insult to those trying to view everybody on the level of the individual rather then the color of their skin. I have to admit that I felt bad that you were so quick to insult me even though you don't even know me. You never know, without the barracades that the internet brings, you and I could possibly be great friends so lets not ruin it. As far as I'm concerned, I hold no ill-feelings toward you and this conversation is over.

 

[rollypolly]

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[KinKs]

I don't know what airsimon's argument was but in a way I think that you help exacerbate racism simply by saying that it still exists in the face of millions in the US who are trying to forget the past and move on free of any bias towards race. Why? Because by doing so you continue to make race AN ISSUE! The more race is made AN ISSUE the more we see "special treatment", "exceptions" and "separatist movements" take place in the US. I do feel bad for the history of bad treatment that many minorities have had to go through in the US but I just think that if you want everybody to be treated the same regardless of race...then stop looking at race as though it matters. In other words, stop making race AN ISSUE! Forgive and forget...move on! 👍

What arrogance. I knew you were white before you even mentioned that you were. Who the hell are you to tell a nation, an entire civilization to forgive and forget and move on. I aint forgetting ****. I suppose Jews should forget the holocast too huh.

To bring up another issue, the number of lives lost in the holocaust is minute compared to the number of lives lost by the slave regime. But everybody is ok with researching and remembering and documenting the holocaust in detail. But you wish that blacks fogive and forget the over 300 million that died on the middle passage, the millions that died on sugar and cotton plantations, colonialism, oppression and all of those wicked and cruel actions aimed at breaking the backs of my forefathers. Go to hell and take forgiveness with you.

You cannot see the plight of black people until you see it through black eyes let the Jews remember the holocaust for as long as they want. And let blacks do the same with regards to slavery and the racism they endure.

It would be interestingto see how many argue against the memory of the holocaust cause I now predict that non of you will.

 

[KinKs]

My argument isn't that racism doesn't exist but rather that racism can be suppressed by making it not AN ISSUE in general. As far as my life experiences with racism...well...don't be "an ignorant mofo", I have traveled and have seen it first hand. The notion that racism is only dealt from the white end is presumptuous and ignorant in and of itself. I can't help but think that you decided to call me names "just because I'm white" and that you're "stereotyping" me in that "just because I'm white", certainly I have "NEVER experienced" it...a little racist don't you think. Again, stop making it AN ISSUE, it really is an insult to those trying to view everybody on the level of the individual rather then the color of their skin. I have to admit that I felt bad that you were so quick to insult me even though you don't even know me. You never know, without the barracades that the internet brings, you and I could possibly be great friends so lets not ruin it. As far as I'm concerned, I hold no ill-feelings toward you and this conversation is over.

I am glad you are done talking cause I am real tired of listening to crap. You want to further pull wool over innocent black eyes by telling them not see what is very obvious that racisim is still a threat to their success. You want to tell us not to make it an issue - how can we not make it an issue when it very well is. I dont have anything against either, in fact you are right, we may well be very good freinds and have a few things in common.

But my experience of being a black male puts miles between our individual life experiences and you cant seem to understand that.

 

[armorshell]

What arrogance. I knew you were white before you even mentioned that you were. Who the hell are you to tell a nation, an entire civilization to forgive and forget and move on. I aint forgetting ****. I suppose Jews should forget the holocast too huh.

Where's that racism again?

 

[KinKs]

It really doesn't matter what undergrad you attended. Just how many more resources does Columbia have to better educate a student in algebra than at Baltimore CC? It all boils down to effort and determination. I'm a product of the CC system just like many of us here, yet we don't complain about how inferior our educational experiences were compared to an Ivy. I'm a firm believer that if you want something bad enough, you go out there and get it without any excuses...Period...

Dude - are you trying to tell me that the quality of education at Columbia is the same as Baltimore CC, cause that is just nuts.

 

[KinKs]

Where's that racism again?

put on my skin for an hour and you will be able to answer that question

 

[KinKs]

It really doesn't matter what undergrad you attended. Just how many more resources does Columbia have to better educate a student in algebra than at Baltimore CC? It all boils down to effort and determination. I'm a product of the CC system just like many of us here, yet we don't complain about how inferior our educational experiences were compared to an Ivy. I'm a firm believer that if you want something bad enough, you go out there and get it without any excuses...Period...

Let me humour you:

1. More study spaces
2. More computer terminals
3. A bigger library
4. Better and more educated teachers
5. More resourses dedicated to remedia help
6. More comfotable lecture halls
7. Smart class rooms
8. More money for tutors and more space for tutorials

I may be wrong on a few of these but I think I am correct on most

 

[bluejellybelly]

rabble rabble rabble!



😀 I just wanted to break in here and ease the tension by reminding everyone that south park is on tomorrow night!!!

 

[KinKs]

THAT I can agree with. Like someone tried to point out above, racism goes both ways. It is not even close to a one way street.

Racism dealt from a place of power is more effective than racism dealt from a place of weakness.

 

[denniss1]

Let me humour you:

1. More study spaces
2. More computer terminals
3. A bigger library
4. Better and more educated teachers
5. More resourses dedicated to remedia help
6. More comfotable lecture halls
7. Smart class rooms
8. More money for tutors and more space for tutorials

I may be wrong on a few of these but I think I am correct on most

Ha, if you really need those "resources" to do well on the DAT's or whatsoever, I think you are not very good in studying.

 

[KinKs]

i am not saying those are required - but having them certainly does not hurt and certainly can help

 

[toroisgood]

I've shadowed Meharry dental grads. One of whom was Asian... surprisingly. I also mentioned their specific inadequecies in detail on my Penn secondary. I won't go into any more detail, sorry.

 

[armorshell]

Racism dealt from a place of power is more effective than racism dealt from a place of weakness.

Ah so that makes it okay, right?

 

[airsimon]

I really hope this person was only joking. Are you referring to just being black for a year to get into dental school or the whole marginalized, unequal life from birth that comes with it no matter what income level? Racism still exists in America, perhaps not as strong or vocal in past years, but it is still here as shown by this poll. If Meharry were to accept more majority-race students, would this thread/poll even exist?

I was at the gym teh other day and this black guy was doing 360 dunks and I thought to myself: "I wish I was black".
Hey, I was a minority in Mexico for 2 years and let me tell you, it had its pluses and its minuses. The bad thing was that you would get yelled at everyday by teenagers from their car windows: PINCHE GRINGO PUNATADO. If you have ever heard the song by Molotov you'll know what I mean.
The plus side was that I got a lot of whistles from about every girl in Mexico City. They liked my "Golden hair" and my "dreamy blue eyes". But I was a missionary, but that's another story.
I live in a place right now where there are very few black people.. but the black guys I do see always have the hottest girlfriends.

Once again.. pluses and minuses...

 

[denniss1]

i am not saying those are required - but having them certainly does not hurt and certainly can help

Sure it could help, but at the end of the day, you are learning as much as you put in youself, especially for the DAT (which is the most important factor to get in to dental school).

 

[KinKs]

Ah so that makes it okay, right?

No - but it is not equal and it is not a two way street - maybe a freeway and an alley but no two way street

 

[caloriefree]

LOL... First of all the ADA didn't start Meharry or Howard. These schools were founded during a time when black people in this country were prohibited from attending schools like Harvard, Penn, or any other majority university built on the soil of the United States. We had no other choice but to attend these schools if we wanted to have an education. It just so happen that these two historically black colleges now have dental programs. Don't hate because these schools still embrace their original mission statement.

Funny thing is that many of you who are bashing the HBCU's wouldn't even consider enrolling into one for your undergraduate education! However, out of desperation to become a dentist your childhood dream some how switches to you always wanting to attend a historically black college. Give me a break!! Many of you could careless about ever having the black college experience. Which make total sense if you're not black! You just want to graduate with a DDS and go on with your business. There is nothing wrong with that. These schools know that you won't return or even plan to give back to these communities.

Besides, there are plenty of schools that reflect your all white school scenario. Minnesota, Tufts, Harvard, Columbia, Buffalo, just to name a few, have hardly any black students. After looking at the demographics of those schools I decided right away not to apply to them. I didn't want to spend the next four years as the only or one of only two black students in the entire class.

There are about 56 dental schools. Only two are going to have a majority of black students. There are 54 others to choose from which are considered majority schools. Meaning that they are mostly white. So, why be so mad at the only two schools that do things a bit different? It's only 2. You have 54 mostly white schools! 54! LOL....I guess some people just can't be satisfied.

I agree that those two schools should stick to their original mission statements. Anyway, regardless of race, I've heard that some study showed that "poverty in early childhood poisons the brain." so if this study is true, then, of course most of the so-called inner city kids or any other kids from low socioeconomic background would be at a disadvantage and it wouldn't just be a matter of how hard one studies, generally speaking anyways.

 

[ChoDog]

Let me humour you:

1. More study spaces
2. More computer terminals
3. A bigger library
4. Better and more educated teachers
5. More resourses dedicated to remedia help
6. More comfotable lecture halls
7. Smart class rooms
8. More money for tutors and more space for tutorials

I may be wrong on a few of these but I think I am correct on most

Some of your points are laughable. Again, more excuses. It all comes down to personal accountability. We are all adults here, how many more times should we be hand fed?

 

[KinKs]

Some of your points are laughable. Again, more excuses. It all comes down to personal accountability. We are all adults here, how many more times should we be hand fed?

I dont want to be hand-fed - I just want an equal share

 

[armorshell]

No - but it is not equal and it is not a two way street - maybe a freeway and an alley but no two way street

Regardless, "justified" racism is still racism plain and simple.

 

[armorshell]

I dont want to be hand-fed - I just want an equal share

I don't see anyone disagreeing here. You can have as much pie as you want, but it's your responsibility to reach out and take it.

 

[btizzels]

I had written something long, but I realized that no one is ever going to agree on this topic so can't we just let this thread die......we sound like a broken record......cant we all just get along 🙂

 

[rdhdds1]

What exactly would you like the ADA to do? Are you sure that you are not just picking on a small, predominantly black school?

Do you know that since inception, Howard and Meharry have educated the majority of black dentists in the US and Caribbean. If we remove those two school, the racial and ethnic disparities that exist within oral healthcare will grow exponentially.

Meharry serves an important service to the black community. This school accepts students (minorities) that are at a disadvantaged from day 1 at kindergarten. Meharry accepts students that would never get into Harvard, or Nova or Baylor and gives them the opportunity to make something of themselves and provide healthcare to the people that you will not see when you become a dentist.

Meharry has a strong committment of serving underserved communities. I think 60% of their graduates work in underserved communities. The dentists they graduate take less sexy cosmetic dentry jobs and go into the deep rural areas where patients routinely die from an abcess tooth that spread to the brain. And you wish to interfere with this school because you think that thier stats are too low. Go look at the stats of where their graduates practice.

I am confused. Why do you give a hell about the type of students that a private institution accepts. Please tell me how many black students attend Harvard dental school, or Nova or Temple or Buffalo or Detroit. Tell me please. I am certain that between Howard and Meharry, the two school have more or at least as much black students as all the other dental schools combined.

Minorities have reached a place where instead of looking to the majority for their eduction, they have decided to build, support and maintian thier own institution. Find a way to fill the void that meharry does, and I might be willing to entertain the thought of ADA interfering in their PRIVATE affairs.

Until then let Meharry do whatever they wish to do. I believe in free speech, but threads like this make me wish that I lived under dictatorship where garbage thought can be violently subdued.

Your thoughts are deeply depressing.

First of all Meharry was founded by white boys. Secondly, and more so to the point of this ridiculous thread. I worked with a dentist that graduated from Meharry. His skills did not compete with my current empolyer who also graduated from Meharry.

Did they both pass boards? Yes. Did they both graduate from an accredited dental school? Yes.

The basis of this thread is exceptionally disturbing. Who cares what the standards are of any dental school? Just as long as the schools produce competent and caring providers.

A person will only get out of school what they put into it. If one person just decides to slide by with the littlest of efforts while another busts their *** and is exceptional then that is on the individual not the school.

Transversely is it fair for a dental school to require such a high DAT and GPA? I have worked with graduates from Ivey league schools as well as those from schools like Meharry and Howard. Hands down the main difference is not the standard of the school or the GPA or any other standardized categorization but rather the individual.

One has to show schools, which ever one it may be, that you belong. You want it and are willing to bust your *** to obtain your dreams and desires of becoming a dentist.

 

[TheDrewYouKnew]

We all see the plight through the same eyes, the eye of those who wrote the history books. I owe you nothing because of what happened long ago. To hold history against the present is ignorant and shortsighted. And you attitude in general is pretty bad, a lot of anger towards SDNers for no reason.

And freeway/ alley analogies are silly. Racism goes both ways. YOU are compounding the plight of whites as well by what you say, but I WILL forgive YOU. I hope everyone else can too.

What arrogance. I knew you were white before you even mentioned that you were. Who the hell are you to tell a nation, an entire civilization to forgive and forget and move on. I aint forgetting ****. I suppose Jews should forget the holocast too huh.

To bring up another issue, the number of lives lost in the holocaust is minute compared to the number of lives lost by the slave regime. But everybody is ok with researching and remembering and documenting the holocaust in detail. But you wish that blacks fogive and forget the over 300 million that died on the middle passage, the millions that died on sugar and cotton plantations, colonialism, oppression and all of those wicked and cruel actions aimed at breaking the backs of my forefathers. Go to hell and take forgiveness with you.

You cannot see the plight of black people until you see it through black eyes let the Jews remember the holocaust for as long as they want. And let blacks do the same with regards to slavery and the racism they endure.

It would be interestingto see how many argue against the memory of the holocaust cause I now predict that non of you will.

 

[KinKs]

We all see the plight through the same eyes, the eye of those who wrote the history books. I owe you nothing because of what happened long ago. To hold history against the present is ignorant and shortsighted. And you attitude in general is pretty bad, a lot of anger towards SDNers for no reason.

And freeway/ alley analogies are silly. Racism goes both ways. YOU are compounding the plight of whites as well by what you say, but I WILL forgive YOU. I hope everyone else can too.

lets get a few things clear clear - I love all peoples regardless of color

You owe me nothing. Neither do I want or would accept anything from you.

I have no anger or hatred towards anyone on SDN. I consider you my future collegues and I am honoured to be aspiring to the same profession as many of you are.

History is exactly that - His Story - listen to Ziggy Marley _"Black My Story"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBpKk9DQR3A

I respect each an every opinion shared here and will keep the rest of my opinions to myself.

By the way - listen to the song and watch the video - its pretty good

 

[KinKs]

Oh - one more thing- regardless of my ardent support for Meharry - i am in strong favouro of UNITY. Listen to another Ziggy Marlery - Brothers and Sisters - it is one of my favourites and reflects the unity I feel towards all SDNers regardless of the intensity of my posts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChRNjpT_OJc&feature=related

 

[already954]

Racism is real and, although it does go both ways, it is more pronounced in the direction of power. The reason for this is OUR history. Slavery was cruel and wrong, but as Americans it is OUR history and one that all can learn from. It is important to never forget that. One must also realize that although slavery has not been physically present for a reasonable amount of time there are groups of people that still benefit from the long term results of it, and likewise there are people that still suffer effects because of it. At the time of slavery white men (mostly) were in power and as such defined the acceptable culture that has in many ways been perpetuated up until this time. Because of this white people do have many unspoken and inherent opportunities that other ethnic groups do not. Read a paper by Peggy Mcintosh named "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack" to get a better idea of what these are.

However I have learned that anger and ignorance hinder true progress toward the removal of racism. Also you cannot blame descendants of slave owners for their fathers sins. However for a white person to say that they do not benefit from OUR history is ludicrous and they need to really try to look at the world through the eyes of the oppressed, and apply what they learn to their lives.

Let me finish by saying I am white, and I am proud to be white. I understand that I do benefit from OUR history. I do not think that it is fair that this is the case, but nonetheless it is (currently) . I have committed myself to doing everything in my power to give all people the same opportunities that I had. This is all we can do as individuals. Remember no asked to be born with their skin color. We just need to truly understand what it means to us and what our responsibility is to our fellow man.

 

[KinKs]

Racism is real and, although it does go both ways, it is more pronounced in the direction of power. The reason for this is OUR history. Slavery was cruel and wrong, but as Americans it is OUR history and one that all can learn from. It is important to never forget that. One must also realize that although slavery has not been physically present for a reasonable amount of time there are groups of people that still benefit from the long term results of it, and likewise there are people that still suffer effects because of it. At the time of slavery white men (mostly) were in power and as such defined the acceptable culture that has in many ways been perpetuated up until this time. Because of this white people do have many unspoken and inherent opportunities that other ethnic groups do not. Read a paper by Peggy Mcintosh named "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack" to get a better idea of what these are.

However I have learned that anger and ignorance hinder true progress toward the removal of racism. Also you cannot blame descendants of slave owners for their fathers sins. However for a white person to say that they do not benefit from OUR history is ludicrous and they need to really try to look at the world through the eyes of the oppressed, and apply what they learn to their lives.

Let me finish by saying I am white, and I am proud to be white. I understand that I do benefit from OUR history. I do not think that it is fair that this is the case, but nonetheless it is (currently) . I have committed myself to doing everything in my power to give all people the same opportunities that I had. This is all we can do as individuals. Remember no asked to be born with their skin color. We just need to truly understand what it means to us and what our responsibility is to our fellow man.

YOU GIVE OUR WORLD HOPE - I could shake your hand right now. I would hug you but I would not want to invade you personal space lol. I really love people like you who acknowledge the Nation's mistakes

I am gonna give some of you guys a Ziggy Marley education - Check out this song _ Tomorrow People

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWxvdbJ2Pbs&feature=related

 

[bigstix808]

nevermind....

 

[caffeinehigh]

Any sort of discrimination against any people will result in a lack of freedom for all.

 

[CMistry]

MANY people here seek to suggest that a disadvantaged black youth should be able to compete other youths that are not (they should have the same GPA). They should study hard and get the same GPA as someone who has an advantage. That is like saying runner A and runner B should finish a 100m race at the same time even if runner A has a 100m head start.

Do you know what an advantage means?

Even worse, you seek to suggest that an underprevilidged white person is the same as an underprevilidged black person. IF you believe this, I can categorically say that you are not black. No black person would say this as every black person is aware of the realities of being black.

Imagine two black students - A and B. Student A is the smart son of a wealthy politician. He attends a pretigious liberal art college. He is never in need of anything. He has all he needs. His book are bought within the first week of class. He does not commute as he lives on campus. His tuition is always paid in full. Student A studies all the time and gets good grades etc.

Student B goes to a less known state college. He struggles to buy books and struggles to pay tuition. He works 20 to 25 hrs a week as he must supplement the little funds he has. He commutes as he lives at home and does not have a proper place to study as his shares a room with his younger brother. His nutrition is poor as he often do not have enough to eat.

Who would have the higher GPA. The student with more resources - student A.

Student A and student B cannot compete equally for a place at any school if the only criteria for admission is GPA.

More black than white students fall into he category of student B

More white than black students fall in the category of student A

As a result - Howard and Meharry exists to give student like student B a break in a system that had broken them all their live.

NB. This is not an excuse for black students to get poor grades and admission. And by no means am I saying that all white students are rich and get good grades. I am just giving you a taste of the unfair competition that black students from disadvantaged communities recieve

Fair enough.

Now consider this.

Student A and B both went to community college for a year before transferring to their state university. Both end up with 3.4 GPAs and 18 DAT scores.

Student A is AA, and gets accepted to several dental schools.

Student B is a majority race, and is not accepted anywhere.

I'm nobody to say this happens all the time, but I have seen it PLENTY of times myself. Enough that I grow irritated seeing how the majority student is clearly at a disadvantage for his skin color. Both have similar educations, the most important aspect in obtaining good GPA/scores, correct? Then why should schools opt to choose student A over student B?

I know plenty of minority students from well-to-do backgrounds that make it into medical schools with grades and MCATs that a majority race person would not stand a chance with. I think "disadvantaged" should be based on many factors, including oppression, familial income, and hardships. But I see no boxes for all of those on the AADSAS application. 🙁