Should foreign students be admitted before American Students??

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I was just wondering how many of you applying to dental school feel that foreign students should not be admitted to graduate programs like dental school until every American that wants to attend gets the opportunity FIRST.
After American citizens get first opportunity, then foreign students would fill spots as they become available.
 
I was just wondering how many of you applying to dental school feel that foreign students should not be admitted to graduate programs like dental school until every American that wants to attend gets the opportunity FIRST.
After American citizens get first opportunity, then foreign students would fill spots as they become available.


Probably no one who isn't an ethnocentric, ignorant bastard.



Do you know that there are more applicants than seats available?

So going along with your theory, exactly where are these "spots: that suddenly become available for foreign students?

You must think that all Caucasians should get a seat on the bus before any colored person gets to buy a ticket, right?

Good thread, though.👍
 
by the way, seats are 'reserved' for american students at other international schools (ie. dalhousie), so take it easy.
 
How about giving preferential treatment to younger people than older people (I understand you're 41?). I mean, younger people will have a longer career and help more people, oh and their hands won't shake as much when drilling. :laugh:
 
If u go to interview u will find a lot of interviewees with better stats than international students, including me...

The only reason they are not accpeted is from pure skill and luck...which is equal to any other applicants.

If u got an interview just do your best...
Do not please blame on the system...

Even international who are smart gets in into a lot of school..
Bear that in mind.

So I wish you good luck at this time if your stats are not good...
 
no actually....I am a very tolerant person, not a biget, or racist, however I feel that we should take care of our own tax paying citizens first. Why should an American not be afforded the opportunity to further their education before a foreigner and visa versa overseas? It is I, the American taxpayer that helps to fund higher education. Shouldn't we have first dibs?
 
no actually....I am a very tolerant person, not a biget, or racist, however I feel that we should take care of our own tax paying citizens first. Why should an American not be afforded the opportunity to further their education before a foreigner and visa versa overseas? It is I, the American taxpayer that helps to fund higher education. Shouldn't we have first dibs?


i agree! Seats should be reserved for american citizens/legal residents. It would be weird to have people from other countries filled in while US citizens seat back and scratching our a$$es. I agree with this and I'm a recent immigrant.
 
maybe you should go after the affirmative action people too.
 
Public schools have a duty to their state, and the country somewhat, but private scools can do whatever they want. Plus are you talking about the normal handful of international students that are at schools and saying they shouldn't get a place - or are you talking about a schools admitting a majority of international students?
Personally I think having a little international flavor makes things more interesting...and the world a better place 😀
 
As far as I know, public dental schools don't typically accept international students. If they do, they do it to a very limited extent. I heard some stories that ADCOMs at certain public schools don't even consider applications of international students. My good friend who was very competitive applied to several public schools last year, and all three of his interviews were from private schools. I'm sure the international status was not the ONLY factor, but it does seem to affect the process quite a bit.
 
Yeah for public it is hard...I applied only 1 and luckily i got a michigan interview...
other wer all private schools.
I also agree that taxpayers should get the seats first...

But I feel sorry that there are some smart international who is taking your spots😎

Come and get it if u r smart enough...
Good luck on that
 
dental schools should build a big wall around their school to make sure foreign dental student don't get into the school
 
Public schools have a duty to their state, and the country somewhat, but private scools can do whatever they want. Plus are you talking about the normal handful of international students that are at schools and saying they shouldn't get a place - or are you talking about a schools admitting a majority of international students?
Personally I think having a little international flavor makes things more interesting...and the world a better place 😀

I love diversity, we have plenty of minorities in this country to accept into our schools why do we have to depend from other countries for it. 1 seat out of 100 for international students is reasonable but 50/100....i don't know. What's going to happen to our American Dreams if this happens?

maybe you should go after the affirmative action people too.

Your point is irrelavent to functional analysis, so i can't dignify that with an answer.

P.S. If I knew I can stay in my country and get the same chance, i wouldn't have paddled my way across the pacific ocean to get here. By the way, I'm auctioning my boat on Ebay.
 
shoot at being a better applicant than everyone and you won't have to worry about skin color 😱
 
shoot at being a better applicant than everyone and you won't have to worry about skin color 😱

If I may be so bold...I don't think the OP is asking the question to defend him/herself in the application process, but is actually posing a rather thought provoking question. Now, I know many of you have taken debate/ethics/logic and using emotionally charged terms like "ethnocentric bastard" is not the way to enter into a reasonable debate.

International students can fall into 3 broad categories:
1. They are seeking professional education with their own funds and plan to stay stateside.
2. They are seeking professional education with their own funds and plan to return to their home country to private practice.
3. They are seeking professional education funded by their own government in a cooperative trade agreement with a particular university/college and will return home to university or government employment.

It is very common for universities/colleges to form cooperative agreements with other universities/colleges or governments. Cooperative agreement implies a beneficial relationship. Many of you are direct beneficiaries of such agreements…WICHE is an example. Creighton University has an agreement with Utah…I think about 11 seats are reserved specifically for Utah residents. These agreements have nothing to do with racism, ethnocentricity, bigotry or whatever other term was previously thrown around. Agreements such as these serve the population needing healthcare. It makes no sense to admit and educate an entire class of students so they may disperse all over the world while leaving the population for which they were trained to serve without a provider.
 
I'm not sure what is meant by international student, but My good friend who's is applying with me did her undergrad in Russia and a Post-Bacc here for the pre-req's. (Do all International students have to do Pre-req's here?)
Anyway, let me say that I love her to pieces, i wish her the best.. and if it came down to it and it was her or me, i would give her the spot since im younger and can apply again next year .. that said..
She has an under grad 2.5 GPA and at some blah ho-hum Russian College. I have my 2.x (a bit higher than hers) at an American University usually ranked 35th in the country.. here's where i think its unfair..

My post-bacc of 3.93 gets averaged in with my Undergrad and i end up with an 2.X AADSAS GPA. Her undergrad doesn't get averaged in to her aadsas, so she has her 4.0 aadsas GPA.

It sucks that i get penalized for going to a top American university.. perhaps its American arrogance thinking that my education was more rigorous than hers but i do think they should assume it was, since hers is an unknown.. I am really glad she has that advantage over other applicants, but if i knew this was happening with lots of other international students with bad undergrad stats, i think i'd be PO'ed

I don't at all doubt the ability and intelligence of many international students.. I know for a fact she could run circles around me if she wanted to.. it just i don't think its fair i have to struggle to erase the mistakes of my past and others just get the slate wiped clean...

What do you guys think?
 
I'm not sure what is meant by international student, but My good friend who's is applying with me did her undergrad in Russia and a Post-Bacc here for the pre-req's. (Do all International students have to do Pre-req's here?)
Anyway, let me say that I love her to pieces, i wish her the best.. and if it came down to it and it was her or me, i would give her the spot since im younger and can apply again next year .. that said..
She has an under grad 2.5 GPA and at some blah ho-hum Russian College. I have my 2.x (a bit higher than hers) at an American University usually ranked 35th in the country.. here's where i think its unfair..

My post-bacc of 3.93 gets averaged in with my Undergrad and i end up with an 2.X AADSAS GPA. Her undergrad doesn't get averaged in to her aadsas, so she has her 4.0 aadsas GPA.

It sucks that i get penalized for going to a top American university.. perhaps its American arrogance thinking that my education was more rigorous than hers but i do think they should assume it was, since hers is an unknown.. I am really glad she has that advantage over other applicants, but if i knew this was happening with lots of other international students with bad undergrad stats, i think i'd be PO'ed

I don't at all doubt the ability and intelligence of many international students.. I know for a fact she could run circles around me if she wanted to.. it just i don't think its fair i have to struggle to erase the mistakes of my past and others just get the slate wiped clean...

What do you guys think?


this is the only post i read on this thread and this comment applies to this post only.

your russian friend is a smart cookie, as are most russians in nyc. russians tend to have good guidance when they come here to the states. anyways, the decision to pursue the pre-reqs here is very smart. you on other hand are disadvantaged because of the AADSAS GPA issue. so to answer your question: no! i dont think it is fair but let me ask you this question: do you think life is fair?
 
Yeah for public it is hard...I applied only 1 and luckily i got a michigan interview...
other wer all private schools.
I also agree that taxpayers should get the seats first...

But I feel sorry that there are some smart international who is taking your spots😎

Come and get it if u r smart enough...
Good luck on that
I think that when one becomes a dentist they will find that their intelligence will have nothing to do with the tasks at hand...........
 
To simply respond to the question rather than start name calling, no I don't think seats at all dental schools should be reserved only for american citizens.

Public schools already do this anyway, so to force or believe that private schools should have this same obligation is unneccesary and in the spirit of goodwill if a qualified international student wishes to go to the school, I don't think they should be shoved to the back of the line. Many of these students plan to practice in the states and with a lack of dentists coming in the near future, I believe that whoever is qualified should get a chance to get into the school. (And I do realize that "qualified" is fairly subjective depending on the school)

In response to some of the other posts thus far:
I understand the mantra of take care of your own first, but it's a short-sighted view and somewhat anti-capitalist. The most competitive get into school, those who aren't as competitive need to improve or fail to get in. I'm fine with that. We also do take care of our own since the schools mostly do admit citizens. The 50/100 seats taken by internationals cited in an above post (even though it is an exaggeration to make a point) is ridiculous...no school currently or probably will reach that level.
 
I tend to think that international students have it harder than American citizens. They are

1. prob not as fluent english-wise,
2. they have to adjust to the american way of life (believe me, adjustment can be really difficult--I feel bad for those internationals stud who some refer to as "weird")
3. and they may face more financial difficulties as a dental student.

Like some of the posts, say, international students add some diversity to the class. I believe that whoever is most qualified should get in. However, we must consider, in retrospect, the difficulties that international studs have to face that we take for granted.
 
I love diversity, we have plenty of minorities in this country to accept into our schools why do we have to depend from other countries for it. 1 seat out of 100 for international students is reasonable but 50/100....i don't know. What's going to happen to our American Dreams if this happens?

Many of the students we accept have an earnest desire at the beginning to go back to their country and try to set the precendent for good health care in their country because the American standard of education is higher than most (although this is changing). The problem comes when they see how much better the quality of life is here and they decide they want to stay to practice here. The same thing happens with minorities. They begin their career wanting to serve in under-privileged areas but once they realize there is greater prospect elsewhere (outside some of those communities) they go for it. This may or may not be the norm, but I'm sure it happens quite frequently.

It probabaly happens moreso with minorities in our country because those who are trying to pursue an education from outside have to prove adequate funds to pay for their educational visa before they apply. Being able to show that kind of money probably means they're relatively wealthy to begin with (unless they find a US sponsor) and aren't as concerned with practicing here.

So why the minority recruitment? Because these people are still more likely than others to serve those under-privileged areas.

There is nothing wrong with accepting foreigners who's dream is an American education. Travel the world and you'll see there are quite a few countries out there that need better healthcare and I believe it should be part of our responsibillity to help.

The question I've been asking lately however is once white people become the minority, do you think that we'll be given the same number of designated spots that minorties are currently given?
 
Many of the students we accept have an earnest desire at the beginning to go back to their country and try to set the precendent for good health care in their country because the American standard of education is higher than most (although this is changing). The problem comes when they see how much better the quality of life is here and they decide they want to stay to practice here. The same thing happens with minorities. They begin their career wanting to serve in under-privileged areas but once they realize there is greater prospect elsewhere (outside some of those communities) they go for it. This may or may not be the norm, but I'm sure it happens quite frequently.

It probabaly happens moreso with minorities in our country because those who are trying to pursue an education from outside have to prove adequate funds to pay for their educational visa before they apply. Being able to show that kind of money probably means they're relatively wealthy to begin with (unless they find a US sponsor) and aren't as concerned with practicing here.

So why the minority recruitment? Because these people are still more likely than others to serve those under-privileged areas.

There is nothing wrong with accepting foreigners who's dream is an American education. Travel the world and you'll see there are quite a few countries out there that need better healthcare and I believe it should be part of our responsibillity to help.

The question I've been asking lately however is once white people become the minority, do you think that we'll be given the same number of designated spots that minorties are currently given?


The problem is that you don't have to travel world to see poverty and the need of health care...just look at America alone and on the other side of the street if you're from a wealthy family...we need to take care of our citizens before we can reach out. I've worked in a low income neighborhood in america, and I know we desperately need help. There's nothing wrong with allowing a couple of international students for each school so they can come back to help the people in their own countries, but more than a couple of people from each school might be a big contradition for the United States.

LOL...if white people become minority and their income is below the national everage, yeah I think you would be given the same number of designated spots that minorities are currently given. But if you're a minority group and you're well off...like us Asians and the Jewish people, your chances are mostly like ours. Every race can feel compassion towards one another to give the less previledged ones a chance.
 
...we need to take care of our citizens before we can reach out.

Completely agree.

So why the f*** are we spending billions of dollars in a war campaign to supposedly reach out to the Iraqi citizens. Sorry...I was just watching the news...this guy makes me so mad. With that kind of money we could have built enough dental schools for every once of us to go somewhere.
 
Completely agree.

So why the f*** are we spending billions of dollars in a war campaign to supposedly reach out to the Iraqi citizens. Sorry...I was just watching the news...this guy makes me so mad. With that kind of money we could have built enough dental schools for every once of us to go somewhere.

I guess my only problem with this statement is that not everyone who wants to be a dentist, frankly, should be allowed to become a dentist. I've met a few dental hopefuls that I hope never get the chance to hold a drill, more for the sake of the patient than anything else.

I continue to disagree with the idea that we should only help ourselves regardless of the rest of the world entirely (though I agree that billions on a rather meaningless war is stupid). I don't plan on being the type of person that later in life hordes every cent I make and every moment I have with the idea that I have to take care of myself and my own family and let the rest of the world and community fend for itself, so I don't think my government should act in the same way either. There are of course limitations. I'm not going to let my own children starve as I spend all my money on food for orphans, but I don't think allowing a few international students (and let face facts, internationals are not taking an abundance of spots away from citizens) into dental school over a few american citizens is like throwing those americans to the wolves. If they were really those few citizens that were on the cuff, on the top of the waitlist on a school that had a couple internationals admitted, then they should be able to rebound the next year pretty easily or at least find some other worthy profession to pursue. Sorry, not everyone, citizen or not, gets what they want in life.
 
No matter what is going on now, I don't like special treatments to Minorities(even though I'm Asian), more points for residents, and less points for foreigners. Regardless of these, dental schools should accept the most qualified students.
 
Many of the students we accept have an earnest desire at the beginning to go back to their country and try to set the precendent for good health care in their country because the American standard of education is higher than most (although this is changing). The problem comes when they see how much better the quality of life is here and they decide they want to stay to practice here. The same thing happens with minorities. They begin their career wanting to serve in under-privileged areas but once they realize there is greater prospect elsewhere (outside some of those communities) they go for it. This may or may not be the norm, but I'm sure it happens quite frequently.

It probabaly happens moreso with minorities in our country because those who are trying to pursue an education from outside have to prove adequate funds to pay for their educational visa before they apply. Being able to show that kind of money probably means they're relatively wealthy to begin with (unless they find a US sponsor) and aren't as concerned with practicing here.

So why the minority recruitment? Because these people are still more likely than others to serve those under-privileged areas.

There is nothing wrong with accepting foreigners who's dream is an American education. Travel the world and you'll see there are quite a few countries out there that need better healthcare and I believe it should be part of our responsibillity to help.

The question I've been asking lately however is once white people become the minority, do you think that we'll be given the same number of designated spots that minorties are currently given?

I agree that the idea for some foreign students is to return to their homeland and practice their career to help their own country. I work in the medical field, and I see many foreign doctors practicing here. Many of them at our hospital speak broken English and are very hard to understand. Sometimes patients get frustrated with this. If foreign students want to stay they should at least take some English dialect classes and lose their accents, so that their patients and peers can understand them. I think that they see how good life is here in the U.S. and decide to stay, totally defeating their purpose for being here. I know one doctor in particular that practices here and has opened some businesses. He lives a very, very modest lifestyle and sends money and material goods back to his homeland. I guess this is his way of helping out his country.
 
I know one doctor in particular that practices here and has opened some businesses. He lives a very, very modest lifestyle and sends money and material goods back to his homeland. I guess this is his way of helping out his country.

Back to his homeland or back to his family/friends?

My wife wants to go back and practice medicine in her country for a while, and I'd be inclined to go with her if I knew how to say tooth in Arabic.

In this respect, I suppose Americans could just as easily go volunteer a lot of their time in other countries.

You know, my company is implementing this whole "diversity in the work place" theme as well where they plan on hiring employees with diverse backgrounds. This crazy chemist that works next to me who has all sorts of conspiracy theories (yeah-he's been here a while...17 years) thinks that the corporate strategy for doing this is because people with diverse backgrounds and who are completely different from each other won't have shi* to say to one another and this esentially increases productivity. What do ya think?
 
Many of the students we accept have an earnest desire at the beginning to go back to their country and try to set the precendent for good health care in their country because the American standard of education is higher than most (although this is changing). The problem comes when they see how much better the quality of life is here and they decide they want to stay to practice here. The same thing happens with minorities. They begin their career wanting to serve in under-privileged areas but once they realize there is greater prospect elsewhere (outside some of those communities) they go for it. This may or may not be the norm, but I'm sure it happens quite frequently.

It probabaly happens moreso with minorities in our country because those who are trying to pursue an education from outside have to prove adequate funds to pay for their educational visa before they apply. Being able to show that kind of money probably means they're relatively wealthy to begin with (unless they find a US sponsor) and aren't as concerned with practicing here.

So why the minority recruitment? Because these people are still more likely than others to serve those under-privileged areas.

There is nothing wrong with accepting foreigners who's dream is an American education. Travel the world and you'll see there are quite a few countries out there that need better healthcare and I believe it should be part of our responsibillity to help.

The question I've been asking lately however is once white people become the minority, do you think that we'll be given the same number of designated spots that minorties are currently given?

Did you get in anywhere..i hope not..because i would hate to have someone as ignorant as yourself as a classmate. Where are your stats who says that minorities begin their career wanting to serve underpriveleged people? And are you saying whites don't want to serve underprivileged people....Think before you make general...stereotypical statements!
 
Did you get in anywhere..i hope not..because i would hate to have someone as ignorant as yourself as a classmate. Where are your stats who says that minorities begin their career wanting to serve underpriveleged people? And are you saying whites don't want to serve underprivileged people....Think before you make general...stereotypical statements!

amen to that

and on top of all this bs about race, who says that international students have to be minorities? in buffalo you think the international students that come in as first years are minorities? no. they are white people from .... *cringe* canada.

i took the op's post to be about american citizens vs. non-citizens, not white ppl vs the minorities, therefore, the second person who posted on this thread . . . hellokittysomething.... i think you are an idiot and jump at the opportunity to talk about how life is unfair due to race

personal attacks aside, i personally think that it is unfair that international students should take the place of an american student in an american dental school. an international student, and in my personal experience . . . *cringe* canadians want to practice in cananada. i'm sure this is somewhat true for most ppl (ie: i want to practice where i grew up too) therefore, why should american taxpayers have to pay for someone who is not paying taxes to get their education/training and then leave to practice somewhere else? it makes no sense to me, i'm sure there are some american applicants (who may or may not be minorities) on this forum who are applying a second time and i'm sure they are upset that their spot could be taken up by an international dental student

as a side note, a lot of schools replace first years that have failed/dropped out with international dentists in the second year because the international students who are already dentists have advanced standing and are the only candidates who can replace them in second year. i have no problem with this because its a win win situation for everybody. the school doesn't lose money from the kid who dropped out (ie: not recieving tuition) because they replace them with an international student.

but ya, i think its unfair that international students are considered before american students
 
I was just wondering how many of you applying to dental school feel that foreign students should not be admitted to graduate programs like dental school until every American that wants to attend gets the opportunity FIRST.
After American citizens get first opportunity, then foreign students would fill spots as they become available.

EASY.

obviously, public schools should admit only american citizens or permanent residents who pay taxes.
and Private schools,, they can do whatever they want. and in fact, many of them dont give preference to citizens or state residents. I think this is pretty fair no matter where the graduates practice, here in the states or abroad, because they do not get any support from government.
Actually many private schools ( where I ve been for interview) claim themselves as "international schools" and accept students from all around the world and do not discriminate the applicants based on nationality or anything.
I think this is fair enough.
 
This post is not attacking any specific person, it is just my thoughts. The "you" in this post is not specific to anyone.

I like competition. Giving people in general and Americans especially, special preferences in general is self-destructive. I think affirmative actions or special preferences comes off as patronizing and condescending. It's basically telling a group of people that they don't have to be as good as others because they are somehow inferior and can't be expected to compete.


Competition is a good thing, it makes us work harder and be better.
If you want to keep international people out, work your ass of and take their spot using your intelligence and merits. Now isn't that a better way of getting accepted. At least you'll know that you deserve to be there and that if push comes to shove, you can defend yourself with your amazing stats and accomplishments. America is where it is today because Americans knows they have to be the best they can be, let's keep that tradition going.

The only downside I could think of for admitting international students is that when they are done, they leave the country, leaving our country with a need for dentists/doctors ect.... However, this won't happen because of our public/private school system. So until this happen, I say, live and let live.
On the upside, if there is a lack of dentists, I will make more money, so I guess Im ok with that too.😀 🙂
 
This post is not attacking any specific person, it is just my thoughts. The "you" in this post is not specific to anyone.

I like competition. Giving people in general and Americans especially, special preferences in general is self-destructive. I think affirmative actions or special preferences comes off as patronizing and condescending. It's basically telling a group of people that they don't have to be as good as others because they are somehow inferior and can't be expected to compete.


Competition is a good thing, it makes us work harder and be better.
If you want to keep international people out, work your ass of and take their spot using your intelligence and merits. Now isn't that a better way of getting accepted. At least you'll know that you deserve to be there and that if push comes to shove, you can defend yourself with your amazing stats and accomplishments. America is where it is today because Americans knows they have to be the best they can be, let's keep that tradition going.

The only downside I could think of for admitting international students is that when they are done, they leave the country, leaving our country with a need for dentists/doctors ect.... However, this won't happen because of our public/private school system. So until this happen, I say, live and let live.
On the upside, if there is a lack of dentists, I will make more money, so I guess Im ok with that too.😀 🙂

ya competition is a good thing, but there is definitely enough competition between american citizens. it would be different if schools weren't filling spots. but there are tons of american kids who don't get into american schools.

if its a private school that doesn't recieve tax dollars then they can accept whoever they want. but schools that recieve federal aid or aid from the state should show preference to american citizens/state residents, period. if they didn't then they should send the money back cuz its a waste for the tax payers. and for the most part most schools give preference to their state residents and american citizens. you can't justify using tax payers' dollars on someone who isn't an american citizen by saying "competition made america strong"

judging by your poor grammar i'm guessing that you are an international student and i guess i can understand your opinion of wanting to train in the us
 
anyways even though they are qualified they have much much much lower chance to get in... like less than 4 seats per school i heard.....

so.... international student like me r not gonna ruin your chance too much...
so its just a freakin excuse that because of international blah blah blah
we(citizen/greencard) r not getting in...such a BS....

you r not getting in cuz u r not qualified...huh?
right or not...
what a the beauty of artlessness~~~
if u have that guts... u ain't afraid of the 4 seats don't u?
plus rarely internationals get accpeted for state schools....
so they aim for the private schools that r left......like what 15~16?
they wanna be dentist like u guyz and have to force them into the freakin rat hole...
this is my thoughts...u guyz should know how hard international students get in...(well most of u do not give a shieet~~ lol)
plus, even though u guyz are not anti towards them...they are having stress already... to get into the 4 seats... or less...
leave them alone...all of u guyz who are qualified will get in as well as the few international students anyway....
I wish Good Luck to everyone~~ to whom really desires to become a dentist like my own...👍
Be the Best...
 
ya competition is a good thing, but there is definitely enough competition between american citizens. it would be different if schools weren't filling spots. but there are tons of american kids who don't get into american schools.

if its a private school that doesn't recieve tax dollars then they can accept whoever they want. but schools that recieve federal aid or aid from the state should show preference to american citizens/state residents, period. if they didn't then they should send the money back cuz its a waste for the tax payers. and for the most part most schools give preference to their state residents and american citizens. you can't justify using tax payers' dollars on someone who isn't an american citizen by saying "competition made america strong"

judging by your poor grammar i'm guessing that you are an international student and i guess i can understand your opinion of wanting to train in the us

"us" should be capitalized unless you meant to say "us" as in Americans, in which case, you should replace "in the" with "by." You should also consider replacing "opinion" with "desire" because it's a better fit in the sentence's context. Please capitalize your "I's."

"Judging by your poor grammar I'm guessing that you are an international student, that is why I can understand your desire of wanting to train in the US."
or
"Judging by your poor grammar I'm guessing that you are an international student, that is why I can understand you desire of wanting to be trained by us."
Well, ya, judging from your reading comprehension skills I'm guessing that you're still taking English 101. Reread my post and see if your guess about my international status is right. Please do not tell me my grammar is poor based on a post on a forum and especially if you're going to use "ya", and "cuz". furthermore, your sentences are fragmented and you don't even know the basic of capitalizing when you start a new sentence.

I'm just playing with you. I understand fully that this is a forum, so grammar isn't exactly on everyone's mind so lighten up.

You wrote : "ya competition is a good thing, but there is definitely enough competition between american citizens. it would be different if schools weren't filling spots. but there are tons of american kids who don't get into american schools."

I did mentioned in my earlier post about the public/private school system in America under the impression that most who read it would understand what it implied. I was merely saying that with a mixture of public and private schools, America is able to provide for their own as well as participate in exchanging knowledge with the rest of the world via public and private schools respectively. It's a given that public schools give preferences to American citizens/ state residents. This is necessary to solve two problems, the first being that tax dollars won't be wasted on foreigners and the other being that enough dentists will be produced to replace retiring dentists. Private schools are different, they don't have the obligation to their tax payers so they have more leeway to accept international students. It is here that I suggest Americans amp up their game if they want to keep internationals out. Not to say that state residents should sit on their behinds and be comfortable with their average stats just because they are "in-state". Competition is healthy and it should be practiced everywhere-private or public- to promote excellence and further cement America as leader of the free world. That's all I'm saying.

The "tons of american kids who don't get into american schools" you mentioned probably didn't get in because other more qualified American kids took their seats. Not everyone can go to Dental School just because they wanted to.

Just so you know, tons of American kids are matriculated in health professional schools in many countries across the globe as well. They are taking the spots from students native to those particular countries. In the end, education balances out through our wonderful world-wide informal and formal exchange programs.
 
leader of the free world. That's all I'm saying.

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lol, is the US really a leader now of the "free" world with haebus corpus gone? But I agree, me being Canadian 😉 , at least private schools should keep the best even if they are from foreign countries.
 
anyways even though they are qualified they have much much much lower chance to get in... like less than 4 seats per school i heard.....

so.... international student like me r not gonna ruin your chance too much...
so its just a freakin excuse that because of international blah blah blah
we(citizen/greencard) r not getting in...such a BS....

you r not getting in cuz u r not qualified...huh?
right or not...
what a the beauty of artlessness~~~
if u have that guts... u ain't afraid of the 4 seats don't u?
plus rarely internationals get accpeted for state schools....
so they aim for the private schools that r left......like what 15~16?
they wanna be dentist like u guyz and have to force them into the freakin rat hole...
this is my thoughts...u guyz should know how hard international students get in...(well most of u do not give a shieet~~ lol)
plus, even though u guyz are not anti towards them...they are having stress already... to get into the 4 seats... or less...
leave them alone...all of u guyz who are qualified will get in as well as the few international students anyway....
I wish Good Luck to everyone~~ to whom really desires to become a dentist like my own...👍
Be the Best...

Son,
The reality of the situation is that every American that wants to go to dental school DOES NOT get the chance. That means that the 4 seats that you talk about could be Americans that want to be dentists. My question is...Does your country have a dental school? and if they do, Why aren't you applying there? Let me guess, you want to become a dentist and stay in the U.S. and practice because you make alot of money and life is so much better here.
 
BTW,

If you do get a seat and practice in the U.S. do your patients a favor, lose your dialect and learn to speak proper English and learn to write your scripts legibly. Your patients and the other Americans that didn't get into dental school who are now in pharmacy or other allied health professions will appreciate it.
 
"us" should be capitalized unless you meant to say "us" as in Americans, in which case, you should replace "in the" with "by." You should also consider replacing "opinion" with "desire" because it's a better fit in the sentence's context. Please capitalize your "I's."

"Judging by your poor grammar I'm guessing that you are an international student, that is why I can understand your desire of wanting to train in the US."
or
"Judging by your poor grammar I'm guessing that you are an international student, that is why I can understand you desire of wanting to be trained by us."
Well, ya, judging from your reading comprehension skills I'm guessing that you're still taking English 101. Reread my post and see if your guess about my international status is right. Please do not tell me my grammar is poor based on a post on a forum and especially if you're going to use "ya", and "cuz". furthermore, your sentences are fragmented and you don't even know the basic of capitalizing when you start a new sentence.

I'm just playing with you. I understand fully that this is a forum, so grammar isn't exactly on everyone's mind so lighten up.

You wrote : "ya competition is a good thing, but there is definitely enough competition between american citizens. it would be different if schools weren't filling spots. but there are tons of american kids who don't get into american schools."

I did mentioned in my earlier post about the public/private school system in America under the impression that most who read it would understand what it implied. I was merely saying that with a mixture of public and private schools, America is able to provide for their own as well as participate in exchanging knowledge with the rest of the world via public and private schools respectively. It's a given that public schools give preferences to American citizens/ state residents. This is necessary to solve two problems, the first being that tax dollars won't be wasted on foreigners and the other being that enough dentists will be produced to replace retiring dentists. Private schools are different, they don't have the obligation to their tax payers so they have more leeway to accept international students. It is here that I suggest Americans amp up their game if they want to keep internationals out. Not to say that state residents should sit on their behinds and be comfortable with their average stats just because they are "in-state". Competition is healthy and it should be practiced everywhere-private or public- to promote excellence and further cement America as leader of the free world. That's all I'm saying.

The "tons of american kids who don't get into american schools" you mentioned probably didn't get in because other more qualified American kids took their seats. Not everyone can go to Dental School just because they wanted to.

Just so you know, tons of American kids are matriculated in health professional schools in many countries across the globe as well. They are taking the spots from students native to those particular countries. In the end, education balances out through our wonderful world-wide informal and formal exchange programs.

lol
 
dental schools should build a big wall around their school to make sure foreign dental student don't get into the school

Yes! I was thinking about doing the same to protect my house from ants!!


Anyway, I resent the fact that we have to pay taxes. Boo on taxes!!
 
wow...... some American applicants truly anti to international applicants....
I am learning some new facts...
Show this to your adcom when they ask to represent yourself.
"Hate internationals so please trash their application files....
we do not need diversity...we rule anyways and I need that 4 spots for ma people..."

By the way dental school's mission is health care for all people regardless of race, ethnicity.
There are areas with poor dental schools and poor health cares like Indonesia, Malaysia, ....... a lot of south east areas...
I went to american international school for elementary through high school in Indonesia...
People like me wanna get educated from US dental school and the best one if possible to help people in US but also around poor country.
U must have only stayed in US and not seen the world... Hope u do seriously...
No greed in becoming wealthy in US like u man....I have a bigger dream and don't wanna share.....
Good Luck Good Luck on all your school.... you r showing adcom that u truly wanna become a dentist...that is good sign...
hope they look at your readings and pick u....
not everyone is like u man
 
I was just wondering how many of you applying to dental school feel that foreign students should not be admitted to graduate programs like dental school until every American that wants to attend gets the opportunity FIRST.
After American citizens get first opportunity, then foreign students would fill spots as they become available.

Not good enough! First white people should be able to get in and then others. Also people should bring their certificate of authenticity. Even a drop of non-white blood can count against them.

And then we should plan a mass deportation of all the people who have been here for less than 3 generations.
:laugh:
 
wow...... some American applicants truly anti to international applicants....
I am learning some new facts...
Show this to your adcom when they ask to represent yourself.
"Hate internationals so please trash their application files....
we do not need diversity...we rule anyways and I need that 4 spots for ma people..."

By the way dental school's mission is health care for all people regardless of race, ethnicity.
There are areas with poor dental schools and poor health cares like Indonesia, Malaysia, ....... a lot of south east areas...
I went to american international school for elementary through high school in Indonesia...
People like me wanna get educated from US dental school and the best one if possible to help people...
No greed in becoming wealthy in US like u man....
Good Luck Good Luck on all your school.... you r showing adcom that u truly wanna become a dentist...that is good sign...
hope they look at your readings and pick u....not everyone is like u man
It's not about race or ethnicity MAN. It's about patriotism. Sorry that you had to pull out the race card to get across your argument, but it doesn't apply here. There is no problem in my mind with adcoms admitting more blacks than whites or more Indonesians than blacks. As long as they are American citizens. My tax dollars help to support education, public and private. For those of you that raise the argument about private schools and tax dollars, I ask this: Do private schools or students attending those schools receive zero dollars from federal, state, or local funds? I think not. Wealth is not my goal in dental school as I am already on my way to becoming wealthy, as wealth means nothing to me. I want to be a dentist because I am interested in it and I know that I can do it well. For your info, I would like to do some pro-bono work in poorer nations as a dentist. Money does not buy you happiness MAN. I don't expect everyone to be like me MAN. This is my opinion, and as an American taxpayer it is my right no matter what adcoms think. I would not "put on a face" like many students at an interview. I don't need to. Need I remind you that the terrorists that flew 4 planes into US soil were trained in US flight schools. There's diversity for you MAN. And for the record, I don't HATE internationals, but they ones that are supposed to go back and HELP people in their country, but end up staying because they can make a ton of money in the US and can't even speak the official language, I have a problem with.
 
Another thought.............Why don't we train 1000 nuclear physicists from poorer nations send them abroad, and maybe one will get lucky enough to develop the nuclear weapon that is used against us.
 
oooh, someone's a little racist and hateful...
 
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