Should I bring this up to the preceptor?

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All4MyDaughter said:
I don't care about looks. But damn it is frustrating to work with students who have poor communication skills. I had one (who was hot BTW) who tried and was earnest and all but had to revise his notes and recs a minimum of 3 times bc they were unintelligible. I didn't sign up for precepting to teach remedial communication to doctoral students. Ugh.
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This made me giggle 👍 Hope you didn't put that is his eval 😉

spacecowgirl said:
I've been pretty lucky I must say, but there have definitely been things that I assigned to students that would have taken 1/4 the time had I just done it myself in the first place. That's what people don't realize about precepting. That's where the huge time commitment comes into play.

Let's talk a minute about typos. I cannot get over the typos in materials that are presented for grade. Guys, guys, really. Proofread, for the love. Is the importance of that not taught anymore?
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Yep. I feel like apologizing every day as a student. I don't have years of experience to be good and fast at it, years of experience for clinical judgement, and finally I have to put more out there than is required when writing a soap or explaining something as that is generally expected of students so that they show they know why they are doing something. If you've forgotten, it sucks to be on the other end as well 😳
 
I haven't forgotten. I just want students to appreciate the time it takes to precept when you take a break from complaining about how much time/money you spend on rotations 😛
 
rxlea said:
Typos are annoying! Especially when I see them in a professor's slides or a preceptor's instructions...that and the incorrect use of than/then, their/there, should of/should have, etc. I hate misspellings too! Once someone spelled mnemonic as pneumonic. I think students and faculty/preceptors alike should use proper grammar and proofread! In fact, I don't mind proofreading for people at all. I think it's important to have a few people proofread your materials.

Ok, back to the wine (or whine?) 😉
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But what if you just can't speak English like me? 🙁

I can't help it that I don't know how to have good grammer? What are we suppose to do?

Thank god my little sister is in Law school and have perfect English...she has always been bombarded with my essays...and crap. :laugh:
 
SHC1984 said:
But what if you just can't speak English like me? 🙁

I can't help it that I don't know how to have good grammer? What are we suppose to do?

Thank god my little sister is in Law school and have perfect English...she has always been bombarded with my essays...and crap. :laugh:
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We should start an SHC drinking game too! Lea! I need your help with the rules!
 
Farcus said:
So there is two of us on rotation and my preceptor generally only make eye contact with the other student about 80-90% of the time. This occur literally the 4th complete sentence I had with the preceptor after I meet the preceptor and when the other student came in. I know they sort of know similar people and are more or so familiar with same people but I feel i'm being ignored and this sucks...

The said student is in no way better than me in anyway, if any the other way around so I'm just pissed off lol or annoyed
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You are NOT the ONLY person that have a preceptor that hates your guts! LOL...

I got A(s) and perfect evaluations from my first two rotations. My third rotation my preceptor thinks I am the stupidest person on earth. 🙄 It is partly my fault and I have learn from it now.

I ask questions when I don't know things. I ask a lot of questions when I don't know something or don't understand something. That has always been my personality.

I was at a home health IV infusion pharmacy. First of all I don't have any work experience really especially in IV (never did hospital or IV of any kind) and secondly I HATED ID so I don't remember much from that class at all.

So I would ask her questions a lot about ID stuff and IV drugs etc. My preceptor would always tell me to look it up or ASK ME A QUESTION to answer my question.

She would NEVER answer my questions...she would ask me a question or tell me to look it up.

It was my fault bc asking her all those questions have made her feel that I was completely stupid and didn't know anything!!! 🙄

She gave me a B for that rotation.

She left my strength's BLANK.

She for my weakness she put that I didn't have any pharmacy work experience so I have limited drug knowledge.

She pretty much called me stupid on my evalution and gave me a B. 😡

My classmate (someone with a much lower GPA than me) had her last rotation.

He told me he hardly ever ask her any questions at all. He also told me he knows LESS than me in drugs!!! He didn't know any of those drugs either b/c he didn't have any experience in IV therapy too!!!

And guess what? He got an A and for his strengths the preceptor told say she was GREAT, ALWAYS willing to learn and do tons of stuff etc. He got the PERFECT evaluation and an A!

I got a sh*tty ass evaluation and the preceptor pretty much called me an idiot. And I my drug knowledge wasn't worst than my classmates!!!!

So LEARN. Do not ask questions on your rotations or your preceptor will think you are stupid and give you an BAD GRADE.

I LEARN from this experience to shut my mouth later on for sure. *sigh*
 
2 more things! I hate that bitch.

1) My preceptor said it's ALWAYS BEST to give a PO med unless the med doesn't come in PO form than you give IV. She saids PO is always better than IV. She says the only reason we give Milirone IV is b/c it doesn't come in PO. Now she is an idiot. Most drugs gets destory thru 1st past, so the bioavaliablity is LOST if given PO. IV is better b/c of higher bioavaliablity. IV means always the highest bioavailability so it's better. IV is the ONLY way to be sure that the patient recieve the drug. PO you are not sure b/c it could all be lost thru 1st pass. I prefer IV over PO. I would choose IV over PO.

2) I ask her for 3 days off to go to the beach. She totally allow it and told me to make my time up on the other days. I made up my time by staying late the other days. On my evaluation she should have put ZERO days absence b/c I MADE UP ALL MY TIME!!!! She still put down that I was gone for 3 days. WHAT A HATEFUL BITCH. 👎
 
SHC1984 said:
2 more things! I hate that bitch.

1) My preceptor said it's ALWAYS BEST to give a PO med unless the med doesn't come in PO form than you give IV. She saids PO is always better than IV. She says the only reason we give Milirone IV is b/c it doesn't come in PO. Now she is an idiot. Most drugs gets destory thru 1st past, so the bioavaliablity is LOST if given PO. IV is better b/c of higher bioavaliablity. IV means always the highest bioavailability so it's better. IV is the ONLY way to be sure that the patient recieve the drug. PO you are not sure b/c it could all be lost thru 1st pass. I prefer IV over PO. I would choose IV over PO.

2) I ask her for 3 days off to go to the beach. She totally allow it and told me to make my time up on the other days. I made up my time by staying late the other days. On my evaluation she should have put ZERO days absence b/c I MADE UP ALL MY TIME!!!! She still put down that I was gone for 3 days. WHAT A HATEFUL BITCH. 👎
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Tell us how you really feel.
 
SHC1984 said:
You are NOT the ONLY person that have a preceptor that hates your guts! LOL...

I got A(s) and perfect evaluations from my first two rotations. My third rotation my preceptor thinks I am the stupidest person on earth. 🙄 It is partly my fault and I have learn from it now.

I ask questions when I don't know things. I ask a lot of questions when I don't know something or don't understand something. That has always been my personality.

I was at a home health IV infusion pharmacy. First of all I don't have any work experience really especially in IV (never did hospital or IV of any kind) and secondly I HATED ID so I don't remember much from that class at all.

So I would ask her questions a lot about ID stuff and IV drugs etc. My preceptor would always tell me to look it up or ASK ME A QUESTION to answer my question.

She would NEVER answer my questions...she would ask me a question or tell me to look it up.

It was my fault bc asking her all those questions have made her feel that I was completely stupid and didn't know anything!!! 🙄

She gave me a B for that rotation.

She left my strength's BLANK.

She for my weakness she put that I didn't have any pharmacy work experience so I have limited drug knowledge.

She pretty much called me stupid on my evalution and gave me a B. 😡

My classmate (someone with a much lower GPA than me) had her last rotation.

He told me he hardly ever ask her any questions at all. He also told me he knows LESS than me in drugs!!! He didn't know any of those drugs either b/c he didn't have any experience in IV therapy too!!!

And guess what? He got an A and for his strengths the preceptor told say she was GREAT, ALWAYS willing to learn and do tons of stuff etc. He got the PERFECT evaluation and an A!

I got a sh*tty ass evaluation and the preceptor pretty much called me an idiot. And I my drug knowledge wasn't worst than my classmates!!!!

So LEARN. Do not ask questions on your rotations or your preceptor will think you are stupid and give you an BAD GRADE.

I LEARN from this experience to shut my mouth later on for sure. *sigh*
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While on rotation, I would suggest writing down questions you may have on a notepad and looking them up after rotations or rounds.

If you've done an extensive search, and still have questions on the topic, then I would recommend asking your preceptor.
 
rxlea said:
Shot for every post about victorias secret would be a good start....maybe one for each bra purchased? :meanie:
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Shot for every time she talks about how amazing and/or beautiful she is.

Two shots for bringing up Medicaid babies
 
Transformer said:
While on rotation, I would suggest writing down questions you may have on a notepad and looking them up after rotations or rounds.

If you've done an extensive search, and still have questions on the topic, then I would recommend asking your preceptor.
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Thanks. Will do next time for sure!
 
I apologize for the lack of professional standards but seriously I'm not on the internet to win a Pulitzer prize.
 
It's pretty hard for a guy to look like crap... Just be well groomed, well dressed, keep up with your hygiene, and don't look like a slob.
 
SHC1984 said:
2 more things! I hate that bitch.

1) My preceptor said it's ALWAYS BEST to give a PO med unless the med doesn't come in PO form than you give IV. She saids PO is always better than IV. She says the only reason we give Milirone IV is b/c it doesn't come in PO. Now she is an idiot. Most drugs gets destory thru 1st past, so the bioavaliablity is LOST if given PO. IV is better b/c of higher bioavaliablity. IV means always the highest bioavailability so it's better. IV is the ONLY way to be sure that the patient recieve the drug. PO you are not sure b/c it could all be lost thru 1st pass. I prefer IV over PO. I would choose IV over PO.
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Is this... trolling?

IV vs PO isn't about bioavailability. It's about cost, convenience, and risk of infection. Generally speaking, PO formulations take bioavailability into account. For example, Cipro comes in 400 mg IV, 500 mg PO. One of the worst things that can happen during a patients stay at the hospital is their IV site getting infected and next thing you know you have bacteremia.

When I was at the hospital for my knee surgery, the #1 thing I ****ing hated about the whole experience was having to be hooked up to an IV while I was awake. I was like, "can't you put me to knock me out first with anesthesia gas, and then set up the IV?"
 
Sparda29 said:
Is this... trolling?

IV vs PO isn't about bioavailability. It's about cost, convenience, and risk of infection. Generally speaking, PO formulations take bioavailability into account. For example, Cipro comes in 400 mg IV, 500 mg PO. One of the worst things that can happen during a patients stay at the hospital is their IV site getting infected and next thing you know you have bacteremia.

When I was at the hospital for my knee surgery, the #1 thing I ****ing hated about the whole experience was having to be hooked up to an IV while I was awake. I was like, "can't you put me to knock me out first with anesthesia gas, and then set up the IV?"
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My preceptor pretty much said PO is ALWAYS BETTER than IV. I just disagree with that. PO might be better b/c it's cheaper etc. but there are times when IV is better.

Basically my preceptor is wrong for saying PO is always better and than she refuse to listen to anyone else's explanation on the matter. That's my point.

SOMETIMES PO is better. SOMETIMES IV is better. PO is NOT always better. That's my point.

The fact that my preceptor said it is ALWAYS better and refuse to listen to me talk was wrong of her.

So glad I am done with that rotation and never have to see her ugly face again.
 
SHC1984 said:
My preceptor pretty much said PO is ALWAYS BETTER than IV. I just disagree with that. PO might be better b/c it's cheaper etc. but there are times when IV is better.

Basically my preceptor is wrong for saying PO is always better and than she refuse to listen to anyone else's explanation on the matter. That's my point.

SOMETIMES PO is better. SOMETIMES IV is better. PO is NOT always better. That's my point.

The fact that my preceptor said it is ALWAYS better and refuse to listen to me talk was wrong of her.

So glad I am done with that rotation and never have to see her ugly face again.
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Sure, IV is better when the patient is NPO and in the early acute phase of their treatment, but the sooner you can GI motility back and get them on PO, the sooner you can bounce them out of the hospital.
 
SHC1984 said:
So I would ask her questions a lot about ID stuff and IV drugs etc. My preceptor would always tell me to look it up or ASK ME A QUESTION to answer my question.

She would NEVER answer my questions...she would ask me a question or tell me to look it up.

It was my fault bc asking her all those questions have made her feel that I was completely stupid and didn't know anything!!! 🙄


I LEARN from this experience to shut my mouth later on for sure. *sigh*
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Lol. There were two critical things I learned from my experiences as a P4 on rotations:

1. Do not ask your preceptor a question. EVER. They absolutely HATE that. If you have a question, just save yourself the trouble and go look it up when you have time.
2. Do not answer your preceptor's question with "I don't know" or words to that effect. They absolutely HATE that. Just save yourself the trouble and go look up the answer.

Just thought I would lend a helping hand to all current and future P4s. You're welcome!
 
I encourage students to ask questions. I also quiz students yet dont expect them to answer. Why quiz them so they can recite what they know? Quiz them so they learn.

Not to be judgemental and grade them but rather to teach. Thats what it means to be a preceptor.
 
mustang sally said:
Lol. There were two critical things I learned from my experiences as a P4 on rotations:

1. Do not ask your preceptor a question. EVER. They absolutely HATE that. If you have a question, just save yourself the trouble and go look it up when you have time.
2. Do not answer your preceptor's question with "I don't know" or words to that effect. They absolutely HATE that. Just save yourself the trouble and go look up the answer.

Just thought I would lend a helping hand to all current and future P4s. You're welcome!
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Hmmmm. Not so much. Asking questions (appropriate ones; questions that show critical thinking) indicates that you're engaged and open to learning.

Any precptors worth their while will not hold it against a student who asks sensible questions...

And honsestly, if you don't ask any, you better prepared to answer theirs when they come.
 
Didnt know drug repping required that much teaching....much less critical thinking...

:meanie:
 
mustang sally said:
Lol. There were two critical things I learned from my experiences as a P4 on rotations:

1. Do not ask your preceptor a question. EVER. They absolutely HATE that. If you have a question, just save yourself the trouble and go look it up when you have time.
2. Do not answer your preceptor's question with "I don't know" or words to that effect. They absolutely HATE that. Just save yourself the trouble and go look up the answer.

Just thought I would lend a helping hand to all current and future P4s. You're welcome!
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This isn't good advice. You are there to learn. If you have questions, ask. I have never encountered a preceptor that got upset by a student asking questions, maybe if they did it at inappropriate times or if it was a question that could very easily be looked up on the spot. Honestly, if a student didn't ask questions I would probably pimp them harder than the student that does. But that's how I roll.
 
SpirivaSunrise said:
Bagels or donuts? Tough choice....
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Yeah....but always bring Dunkin Donutz Coffee...

Gawd....I used to bring coffee for my staff when i was traveling....nothing like walking across frozen parking lot carrying cases of coffee
 
Theres a beach where you live?
 
Preceptors like if you looked up the answer to your question and discuss what you don't understand.

For having limited drug knowledge, taking days off to go to the beach, and not being proactive...a B is a fair grade.
 
mustang sally said:
Lol. There were two critical things I learned from my experiences as a P4 on rotations:

1. Do not ask your preceptor a question. EVER. They absolutely HATE that. If you have a question, just save yourself the trouble and go look it up when you have time.
2. Do not answer your preceptor's question with "I don't know" or words to that effect. They absolutely HATE that. Just save yourself the trouble and go look up the answer.

Just thought I would lend a helping hand to all current and future P4s. You're welcome!
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Most of my preceptors liked questions. And they preferred "I don't know" to guessing.
 
Transformer said:
While on rotation, I would suggest writing down questions you may have on a notepad and looking them up after rotations or rounds.

If you've done an extensive search, and still have questions on the topic, then I would recommend asking your preceptor.
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mustang sally said:
Lol. There were two critical things I learned from my experiences as a P4 on rotations:

1. Do not ask your preceptor a question. EVER. They absolutely HATE that. If you have a question, just save yourself the trouble and go look it up when you have time.
2. Do not answer your preceptor's question with "I don't know" or words to that effect. They absolutely HATE that. Just save yourself the trouble and go look up the answer.

Just thought I would lend a helping hand to all current and future P4s. You're welcome!
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These are the best advice ever. I will follow it from now on! Thanks.
 
KARM12 said:
Preceptors like if you looked up the answer to your question and discuss what you don't understand.

For having limited drug knowledge, taking days off to go to the beach, and not being proactive...a B is a fair grade.
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I don't care about the B anymore. I am okay with the B.

My school however takes a letter grade off for every unexcuse absence!!!!

My preceptor agree for me to take 3 days off for the beach as long as I make up the time for it. I did make it up by staying LATE on all the other days I was there!!!

On my evaluation she put that I was absence 3 days! (I was NOT...I made up those times!) And she did NOT check the box that says excused or unexcused. She left that box blank.

IF I get an F for this rotation b/c my school thinks I took 3 days off unexcused I will KILL HER.

She should have put down ZERO days absence.

Have I mentioned that she is a big bitch? Well she is.
 
Sparda29 said:
Most of my preceptors liked questions. And they preferred "I don't know" to guessing.
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I thought I had pretty good preceptors overall. But it really wasn't ever my experience that they liked questions or the term "I don't know." I should amend this to include guessing at the answer as well, since someone mentioned that above.

I can see how a student wouldn't seem very engaged or proactive if he/she did not ask questions...however, the preceptor always tells you to go look it up so what the heck is the point in even asking any questions?

If I ever become a preceptor, I hope I will have the time and patience to answer at least some of the students' questions.
 
SHC1984 said:
I don't care about the B anymore. I am okay with the B.

My school however takes a letter grade off for every unexcuse absence!!!!

My preceptor agree for me to take 3 days off for the beach as long as I make up the time for it. I did make it up by staying LATE on all the other days I was there!!!

On my evaluation she put that I was absence 3 days! (I was NOT...I made up those times!) And she did NOT check the box that says excused or unexcused. She left that box blank.

IF I get an F for this rotation b/c my school thinks I took 3 days off unexcused I will KILL HER.

She should have put down ZERO days absence.

Have I mentioned that she is a big bitch? Well she is.
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See, that's the problem. In my personal experience, majority of preceptors don't give a frak if you work 15-16 hours a day if need persists rather than required 8. And if you do your work with a smile and don't complain, they only pile up more work onto you. You probably thought by working extra hours after you were making up lost time but she might have just perceived as this being ordinary and nothing unusual.
 
SHC1984 said:
I don't care about the B anymore. I am okay with the B.

My school however takes a letter grade off for every unexcuse absence!!!!

My preceptor agree for me to take 3 days off for the beach as long as I make up the time for it. I did make it up by staying LATE on all the other days I was there!!!

On my evaluation she put that I was absence 3 days! (I was NOT...I made up those times!) And she did NOT check the box that says excused or unexcused. She left that box blank.

IF I get an F for this rotation b/c my school thinks I took 3 days off unexcused I will KILL HER.

She should have put down ZERO days absence.

Have I mentioned that she is a big bitch? Well she is.
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How long was this rotation? A month? Three days is a lot to miss, especially for something not important like hanging at the beach. I might have said no to the absence, especially for a student who already has questionable knowledge base and sketchy work ethic.
 
Missing three days for a fraternity conference/NCPA/APHA/etc is completely different from missing three days so you can go to the beach. That's insane.
 
All4MyDaughter said:
How long was this rotation? A month? Three days is a lot to miss, especially for something not important like hanging at the beach. I might have said no to the absence, especially for a student who already has questionable knowledge base and sketchy work ethic.
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I kinda still can't believe she even gave her 3 days. I have a friend whose son had a major surgery and they didn't even let her miss that without making it up ( despite the clear school policy of 3 days being allowed to be missed), three days to go to the beach sounds like something.

I have 2 doctor's appointments next month on the same day and I had to let them know 6 weeks in advance to take 1 day off in 6 weeks.
 
All4MyDaughter said:
How long was this rotation? A month? Three days is a lot to miss, especially for something not important like hanging at the beach. I might have said no to the absence, especially for a student who already has questionable knowledge base and sketchy work ethic.
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It is never the student's fault, you know that!!

Students have no idea the amount of extra work it is as a non-professor to take students. I agree there are some bad preceptors out there, but most of us want you to succeed.
 
KARM12 said:
most of us want you to succeed.
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You know, I actually loved 99% of my preceptors so far, like I admired them and greatly appreciated what they done for me. There's been several that have been even more like personal mentors to me and that I even keep in contact with and periodically visit after rotation is over. Some of them were very strict and assigned me what I felt was obscene amount of stuff to do at the time but now almost half way being done with my rotations, I'm realizing how good and beneficial it has been for me and how much it has helped me grow both individually and academically/professionally. One person even told me my patient presentations were resident-level like and few things made me happier in the past months of hard work than hearing her say this brief sentence.

I think most students share this sentiment - we are very grateful for your time and efforts you invest into us and if there is anything we could do as students to make your life as a preceptor easier, just let us know. :luck:
 
Callista said:
I kinda still can't believe she even gave her 3 days. I have a friend whose son had a major surgery and they didn't even let her miss that without making it up ( despite the clear school policy of 3 days being allowed to be missed), three days to go to the beach sounds like something.

I have 2 doctor's appointments next month on the same day and I had to let them know 6 weeks in advance to take 1 day off in 6 weeks.
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Yes three days is TWENTY FOUR full hours to make up. That's a lot. And making it up isn't as simple as just hanging around an extra hour at the end of the day. That wouldn't work for me because I wouldn't want to stay late every day myself. And if I were precepting a student with poor knowledge, and who doesn't work hard, I wouldn't feel right foisting them on another pharmacist or leaving them unsupervised.
 
Only preceptor I ever really hated was this one preceptor at a public health rotation where she wanted me to go do community outreach on the street by educating random people on the street about safe sex, HIV/AIDS facts, distributing condoms, soliciting free HIV tests. **** that ****.
 
Sparda29 said:
Only preceptor I ever really hated was this one preceptor at a public health rotation where she wanted me to go do community outreach on the street by educating random people on the street about safe sex, HIV/AIDS facts, distributing condoms, soliciting free HIV tests. **** that ****.
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Was that the switchblade incident?
 
Farcus said:
So there is two of us on rotation and my preceptor generally only make eye contact with the other student about 80-90% of the time. This occur literally the 4th complete sentence I had with the preceptor after I meet the preceptor and when the other student came in. I know they sort of know similar people and are more or so familiar with same people but I feel i'm being ignored and this sucks...

The said student is in no way better than me in anyway, if any the other way around so I'm just pissed off lol or annoyed
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do not do this. This will make you look "weak" in their eyes. This is all part of working world. I would go and work very hard. I would also ask co-workers to evaluate you on a weekly basis. So when it comes to evaluation time. You have documentation from their colleagues and peers that you do good work as well. You are a good team working. Just get in there, jump ahead for all tasks and be very proactive. Ask good thoughtful questions. Ask for career advice, etc.
 
First journal club two years ago was terrible. Second journal club a year ago I poured my heart and soul into and went great. Tomorrow is round three. Stakes are low as I doubt my site will even have time for a presentation...but! I must say, having a solid journal club presentation to build subsequent ones off of makes life sooooo much better...👍 /offtopic
 
joetrisman said:
First journal club two years ago was terrible. Second journal club a year ago I poured my heart and soul into and went great. Tomorrow is round three. Stakes are low as I doubt my site will even have time for a presentation...but! I must say, having a solid journal club presentation to build subsequent ones off of makes life sooooo much better...👍 /offtopic
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How is it you do one so rarely ? Are you on rotations ? 😕 😱 Not being obnoxious, just genuinely very surprised. I do a journal club once-twice every rotation and a topic presentation for example - management of arrhythmias or stress ulcer prophylaxis in critically ill or presenting guidelines on some other topic like once/more often twice a week.

If you want, I can dig for and post a template for journal club one of our residents sent me.
 
Callista said:
How is it you do one so rarely ? Are you on rotations ? 😕 😱 Not being obnoxious, just genuinely very surprised. I do a journal club once-twice every rotation and a topic presentation for example - management of arrhythmias or stress ulcer prophylaxis in critically ill or presenting guidelines on some other topic like once/more often twice a week.

If you want, I can dig for and post a template for journal club one of our residents sent me.
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Just started rotations. First block was community and we were so busy I never did one. I'm on my second rotation. I'm sure I'll have at least one every rotation from here on out.
 
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