Should I live with my parents during residency?

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Hi,

I'm a 26 yo M in my third year who is doing rotations in my hometown, currently living at home. My parents, both of whom are physicians, have been recently bringing up very innocuously whether or not if I a) plan to apply to the residencies in our hometown and b) if I do match, will I live at home with them. I wanted to see from others the pros and cons of this decision. I did search the forum, and found a few threads and so I have some idea what to expect. But despite this, I still am not sure. In addition, I am not sure if it matters but my parents have paid for my entire medical school tuition and I have no debt (or debt from college), and so part of me thinks I actually owe it to them at a minimum to live with them if they ask because I know that will make them happy. Alternatively, I worry on a more conceptual level that it could shunt my growth as an adult, and perhaps even as a resident-physician. I don't know, it may be silly but the thought has crossed my mind. On the other hand, I am close with my parents and as they get older I do want to take care of them. And finally, they are currently building their dream home, and so even my one bedroom in the new house would likely be better than anything I could get on my own.

This might be a silly topic, but I don't really know who to talk to about this!

Thanks
 
This is an easy yes for me.

But if you are more into partying and tinder hookups I can see why you would rather pay 10-20k to have that scene (sarcasm)
 
How far is their home from the hospital? And which specialty are you looking at? Is that the only hospital that you’d be at?

30-35 min rush hour at 8am, 25 min 6-7am and that's between multiple hospitals with different residencies.

My primary focus or interest at the moment is EM, anesthesiology, and neurology. Leaning towards EM.
 
If you’re single, it’ll be a big hamper on the social life. I met my wife in internship.

Also at the end of a long day, I’d just want to throw my bags on the ground and jump on the couch for some sports or video games and order in some pizza. You’d probably have to be a little more buttoned up at all times with your parents. It’s something to be considered.
 
30-35 min rush hour at 8am, 25 min 6-7am and that's between multiple hospitals with different residencies.

My primary focus or interest at the moment is EM, anesthesiology, and neurology. Leaning towards EM.

Even from a non-social aspect, you will be working overnight sometimes and their lives will not stop when you get home at 7 am, and try to get some sleep.
For me, just from an ability to sleep whenever you want without having to check other people’s schedule is a big plus.
With zero debt, the amount of $ spent on rent will be negligible in the long run.
 
Hi,

I'm a 26 yo M in my third year who is doing rotations in my hometown, currently living at home. My parents, both of whom are physicians, have been recently bringing up very innocuously whether or not if I a) plan to apply to the residencies in our hometown and b) if I do match, will I live at home with them. I wanted to see from others the pros and cons of this decision. I did search the forum, and found a few threads and so I have some idea what to expect. But despite this, I still am not sure. In addition, I am not sure if it matters but my parents have paid for my entire medical school tuition and I have no debt (or debt from college), and so part of me thinks I actually owe it to them at a minimum to live with them if they ask because I know that will make them happy. Alternatively, I worry on a more conceptual level that it could shunt my growth as an adult, and perhaps even as a resident-physician. I don't know, it may be silly but the thought has crossed my mind. On the other hand, I am close with my parents and as they get older I do want to take care of them. And finally, they are currently building their dream home, and so even my one bedroom in the new house would likely be better than anything I could get on my own.

This might be a silly topic, but I don't really know who to talk to about this!

Thanks

I wouldn't do it. Even without tinder hookups or whatever, having your own space with your own privacy is important. Do you really want to be living under your parents rules as a resident? Plus, a 35 minute commute? No thanks.

You can always go visit, sometimes often if you live that close.
 
The one caveat to me is cost-of-living in the city you're looking at. If we're talking about San Francisco or NYC where the choice might be between you living with your parents, living with roommates, or paying through the nose for a studio, then I could see an argument.

If you're not in one of those two cities, then your parents should be happy that you're considering living in their hometown and they'll have a chance to see you some. But you're an adult, and while this may not be so in every culture, generally when people get a "real job" they get their own place.
 
Yeah, after some reflection, I think the rate-limiting factor that I was underestimating was the commute which I was reminded of today when I had to go to clinic on Monday rush hour. Honestly, if my parents lived 10 minutes away I think I'd be more inclined stay home, otherwise I think I'll get my own place for residency. I can still ask my mom to cook and clean up my place which she will probably do both without me even asking!

Thank you everyone!
 
This is an easy yes for me.

But if you are more into partying and tinder hookups I can see why you would rather pay 10-20k to have that scene (sarcasm)

Why r u being sarcastic? You don’t think having sex with girls is worth 20k a year?
 
I chose not to live with my parent because I value my privacy and freedom. I live in a city and rent is ~$1500/month but it’s awesome to live super close to the hospital and not stress about things like driving, parking, and having to live with someone else. I’m an introvert by nature and super sensitive to noise, so this single living is working out for me. I’m also single so if I ever date or have friends over, it’s super easy to schedule it. Yes it’s a luxury, but worth it for me so I can get some good sleep and recuperate after a long day.
 
Please don’t assume your mom just wants to cook for you or clean up after you forever. Time to cut the apron strings and give her an opportunity to pursue something in her free time.

Yeah, I know -- it was an attempt to convey my mom will do whatever she can to clean up a room even if I already did haha
 
I think I'll likely spend intern year at home. I probably should have mentioned in my original post that we have a guest house on the property as an entirely separate unit, eg own wifi, laundry, TV, etc.
Uh, yeah that's a pretty significant upgrade from living in your childhood room.

Lucky you. Assuming, of course, that you match there. But hey, if it's free, and it offers you enough privacy that you're satisfied, then you do you.
 
I'm pretty close with my parents, and so having a boyfriend or girlfriend over was never an issue. Random tinder hook ups just for sex, probably. Then again, that is not how I roll nor has it ever been. If someone isn't cool to literally just hang out at my place, no sex, and Netflix, with my parents somewhere in the house but not really in our faces, then I don't even have interest in a one-night stand with them anyway. If I'm that keen for a randomer, there's always hotel or air bnb. Or the bar bathroom if you've really got the mind. Plus, this person either has their own place to host, or they can hardly hold it against you if you don't, because that means they don't either, lol.

I dunno, my parents have always been pretty cool roommates. I did one away rotation in med school. The hours were crazy, and I was able to stay in a motorhome but use the house facilities when I needed. I basically did nothing in it but sleep, and you don't need much for that.

I know some residents that have used airbnb or had a cheap shared pad for those situations where going home to sleep was less than ideal. Also those that have crashed in the call room. People survive their NF rotation with a day-working spouse and kids that sleep in the same bed. Some by sleeping in the closet for some darkness. I've always gotten by with earplugs and a nightmask. Not ideal, but the point is you can do anything for about a month.

I'm extremely cheap, and I like my parents. They don't cramp my style. Commute is, in my opinion, ALWAYS something to factor in as a busy med student/resident. I think public transportation is somewhat easier to turn into productive time studying/working than driving. I always paid significantly more, whatever I could afford, to have the shortest or most convenient commute. That said, when I was looking at residency and where to live, I was also looking at:

commute
parking
$$$
quiet
come/go as needed
close to stores for basic needs like groceries
safe

What you want most, as a resident, on the daily, is easy commute, parking, sleep, food. Seriously, that is the ****e you need every day to maximize your survival. Anything besides the above list, are perks you may not even have energy to enjoy.

I needed a maid/cook a helluva a lot more often than any freaking tinder hook up.

Keep in mind, that nothing commits you to living with your parents for all of residency. It might not hurt to take advantage of their help for your intern year, at least. Granted, I think moving is slightly more painful during residency than before its start, and encourage people to try to select a spot they think will meet their needs for the duration, if possible. But you can always move.

It took me 3 months to schedule a date with a fellow when I started intern year, between our schedules. When I was an intern under the old rules, I started off my year heavy, and I found on my ICU rotation with q3 call, 12-16 hr days, and after working 12 days in a row, that I hardly had energy to order in delivery and stay awake enough to eat it. Rinse and repeat for my floor months, and NF. It wasn't until pretty late in the year that I would have gotten serious about dating, and by serious, I mean going on any number of dates.

I went on a fair number of dates at some point in all this, and very few of them ended up where I live. Most early dates are out in the public world, and that is what I would recommend to anyone. IMHO, by the time it matters that you live with your parents, it really shouldn't matter that much anymore.

I just stayed for a week with my boyfriend's family, and they're all fairly Christian although I guess notsomuch that they scoff at an unwed couple sleeping in the same bed. We still managed to do the nasty everyday, although we had to get a little creative and keep it down. Coming home was pretty nice as far as that goes.

If your family is going to get that bent out of shape about a regular girlfriend or occasional dates coming back to the house, maybe think again. OTOH, if you're having that many one night stands that the average parent of a single adult child are going to get bent out of shape, might I suggest that risk of STI increases with number of partners, even when using protection.

Sounds like you can get a date in and out of your place pretty easily anyway.
 
As a former resident I wouldn't recommend it. Residency is demanding and stressful-and those who haven't been through the process won't understand how much of a beast it can be. As much as I love my parents I would have lost my dang mind going in and out of my house early in the morning (or in the evening for nightfloat) or not coming back for 24 hrs+ every few days. But hey-to each his own.
 
You're an adult. Live on your own. Stop being weird. You're a doctor and you can't even seem to handle feeding yourself and doing your own laundry. It is disturbing that this is even a debate. You can always visit your parents when you're free. Any parent who asks their grown child who is a working adult to live at home has some real issues. Sorry, but that's just odd. Stop being weird and get yourself an apartment and function like a normal human. Grow up. You don't need mommy to lay out your clothes for you every morning.
 
I'm still on the "get your own place" side. Not everyone wants their own place just because they want Tinder hook ups. Yes, you do have to do your own chores, but that is part of growing up. I can understand if there's a cultural difference e.g. Asian parents tend to want to have their children live with them. But when you're in your mid to late 20's, that's a sign that you need to move on!

It's refreshing to have your own place, and it's a sign that you're an adult because now you have your own paycheck and can take care of your own responsibilities. Also, I would think it odd if the person I'm dating still lives with their parents, even if they make money and can afford their own place. It would bother me to have my parents think about where I am at all times if I were to live with them. Heck, my mom initially wanted to live together for residency because she wanted to help me decrease my loan burden and I was like "**** no". I've already discussed this issue with my other med school friends, who agreed with me that I should live on my own. Even with the average amount of debt I have ($160-180K) and the relatively higher cost of living in residency, I can manage by living like a resident for several years even when I'm an attending. When I finally make the six figure salary, I will still live frugally. Eventually we're gonna pay off all the debt. Read up on the White Coat Investor book and other financial tips. We as physicians feel like we deserve to spend a lot of money, but what we lack is saving well.

To each their own, I guess. Make a list of the pros and cons of each side.
 
As a former resident I wouldn't recommend it. Residency is demanding and stressful-and those who haven't been through the process won't understand how much of a beast it can be. As much as I love my parents I would have lost my dang mind going in and out of my house early in the morning (or in the evening for nightfloat) or not coming back for 24 hrs+ every few days. But hey-to each his own.
I would say that likely his parents do understand the process, they are both physicians.
 
I appreciate that one person brought up that this is highly cultural.
It was said well in another yet similar thread, that some of this is an American cultural thing where we have some expectation that people move out as soon as they're done with high school and become completely financially independent.

One person makes the case to "visit when you're free." Which is when exactly?

I lived 2 hrs from my parent and fully intended to visit at least one weekend a month in med school. Having a partner as well, that meant half the time for holidays with my parents. My parents and my partner's parents being divorced, meant 4 homes to split the holidays into. My parent died while I was in med school. I treasure the rotations I lived in that motorhome because we had coffee every morning, and dinner every night. Because truth be told I just didn't see them as much as I would have liked, otherwise. Something always comes up that seems more pressing.

As pointed out, one day having a partner of your own, with parents of their own, and then their other relatives, and kids of your own, and an attending's schedule, will not make it easier to spend time with your parents, who are just getting closer to their death before yours (statistically speaking).

I lived at home for most of college, I spent some time homeless on my own, and I lived with a couple fiances, and I lived on my own for med school and residency. At some point in all of that, I went back home for a few years here and there. All of this has led me to conclude: there is no magic to living on your own beyond a certain point. Yes, I think there is value in doing it, and everyone should do it until they've gotten maximum benefit, and I do think there is a maximum. That time is different for everyone. You become an adult, you pick up adult skills, and much like "sleep deprivation" is not an activity that through practice you have great gains, I argue that there's sort of a limit to what you need/gain on your own, and you don't exactly get rusty and fail the test or fail to earn your black belt by living with your parents again. But I've been a caretaker to mine my whole life, it's part of why I went into medicine. So they've hardly stunted my ability to take responsibility or make independent choices. I just like saving money and having their sympathetic ear - having support doesn't mean you don't grow.

In other cultures where adults stay in the family home, I would hardly call them less "adult" "independent" etc etc. Here I'm thinking of India and China. In fact, it's sort of insulting to say so. Certainly there are factors that determine how someone grows or doesn't grow from these arrangements in different cultures.

Personally, I reject the ethos that it's more important I spend money on rent and vacations abroad, and that family is to be avoided because they "cramp my style", and that parents are best ignored until ready for a home - how very capitalist.

Someone might appreciate how important family is to you. You can certainly make it clear that you are living at home because it is what makes your parents happy, and is no skin off your back. That you have lived on your own before, and are ready to do so again to facilitate a relationship. If I go out with someone, I might be taken aback that they live with their parents - and then it's going to come down to why. Are they financially irresponsible? Are they otherwise unable to keep their life together re: paperwork, bills, credit, chores? That doesn't describe the typical physician. Also, do their parents play such an important role emotionally that this person would not be willing/able to move cross-country away from them, if necessary for some reason?

I've decided that when I look back on my life, I want to have made the choices that gave me more days and hugs with the people that really matter - that is what matters. I gave up a trip to Europe for a friend's wedding, so I could have Christmas at home. I'll go to Europe after Gramma dies, or not at all I suppose.

OP, at the end of the day, you should live the way you want. It's OK to live at home if you want, if it makes your life easier. It doesn't mean you don't know how to fold your own laundry or dress yourself. (Although you might want to challenge yourself to develop some cooking skills if you haven't otherwise, and to do some other housework). If you have your own little space, then see to it you take care of everything yourself, including meals, and just come inside to do your own laundry, bathe, (depending on the facilities in your space) and have a bite with the 'rents. If life is seriously a biatch for a rotation or something, mom can help. The reality is that a lot of residents can afford to pay for some housekeeping, and do. So again, it's hardly "stunting" you to have your mom help you as much as any adult might pay for help. Don't let them dictate how you live - threaten to move out, that's what I did any time my parents were tempted to become overbearing, and I only had to follow through twice over a lifetime to send the message.

In some ways, you might actually have to become *more* independent and responsible living at home. Because you likely will have to set boundaries and make conscious decisions for how to live, what skills to develop/exercise. As far as how it might stunt you as a physician, again, boundaries. You don't have to discuss your work with them. If you do, much as you would with any attending, you may have to defend your thought process, look things up, and ultimately come to grips with having a differing opinion and standing by your guns.

Honestly, I think some people get lazy at home, and ironically enough, the "lazy" way to ensure this doesn't happen, is to move out. I argue that you can grow just as much or more with the "adversity" of your parents, as you can with the adversity of living on your own. The former might actually be harder in some respects, just as it is easier in others ($$$, housework). Despite being "harder" maybe in some ways, I still think the pros/cons are in favor of it, for the person who values time with family and is willing to exercise some free will.

You could also do this in reverse - live on your own until you've gained skills and come to my conclusion, that at this point you're mostly spending more money to be alone and cook your own meals, and have little to lose moving in with your parents. You will be in a position to truly compare your life with and without living with them. Maybe you decide to never go back. Maybe you figure been there, done that as I have.

There really are pros/cons, but OP, I just urge to you follow YOUR own values more than your parents, more than anyone giving you advice. Don't let pressure or shame dictate what you do. Do your best to determine the course of action that you think is best for who you are and who you want to be. Now that is adulting.
 
You're an adult. Live on your own. Stop being weird. You're a doctor and you can't even seem to handle feeding yourself and doing your own laundry. It is disturbing that this is even a debate. You can always visit your parents when you're free. Any parent who asks their grown child who is a working adult to live at home has some real issues. Sorry, but that's just odd. Stop being weird and get yourself an apartment and function like a normal human. Grow up. You don't need mommy to lay out your clothes for you every morning.

I appreciate the candidness of your comment, but since I lived alone during college in another state and also the first two years of medical school -- also in another state -- I know I can function on my own already. And as both my parents get older, and me witnessing the problems that come with age (i.e. knee pain, depression, kidney stones, etc.) I had to consider what is good for me, and for them as well.

Secondarily, the issue that I also was debating with myself was the economics of such a decision -- is saving money worth the lack of autonomy that I would like experience? After seeing these comments, I think I will likely stay at home in our guest house during my intern year, and then move out. Since I have always been a frugal person like my parents before me, I think it warrants a discussion and so that's why I chose to seek outside opinions on this forum.
 
I'm still on the "get your own place" side. Not everyone wants their own place just because they want Tinder hook ups. Yes, you do have to do your own chores, but that is part of growing up. I can understand if there's a cultural difference e.g. Asian parents tend to want to have their children live with them. But when you're in your mid to late 20's, that's a sign that you need to move on!

It's refreshing to have your own place, and it's a sign that you're an adult because now you have your own paycheck and can take care of your own responsibilities. Also, I would think it odd if the person I'm dating still lives with their parents, even if they make money and can afford their own place. It would bother me to have my parents think about where I am at all times if I were to live with them. Heck, my mom initially wanted to live together for residency because she wanted to help me decrease my loan burden and I was like "**** no". I've already discussed this issue with my other med school friends, who agreed with me that I should live on my own. Even with the average amount of debt I have ($160-180K) and the relatively higher cost of living in residency, I can manage by living like a resident for several years even when I'm an attending. When I finally make the six figure salary, I will still live frugally. Eventually we're gonna pay off all the debt. Read up on the White Coat Investor book and other financial tips. We as physicians feel like we deserve to spend a lot of money, but what we lack is saving well.

To each their own, I guess. Make a list of the pros and cons of each side.

Thanks for the input. I actually bought the White Coat Investor before medical school -- great read (still have to look up a ton of what he talks about, but still!)
 
Sorry, just arguments to live on own's own in residency because of the need for tinder hook ups always strike me as ridiculous, personally.

Some people enjoy sex
 
Some people enjoy sex
If you knew my reputation on SDN, you would know I'm the last person who needs reminded of that. I'm specifically calling out that the Tinder casual sex or club/party mentality, while it might be something some residents are interested in, most single interns I knew didn't spend a lot of time on.

The point is, casual sex is not the end-all be-all and as I point out, if you want casual sex you don't have to be able to host. Living at home never stopped me from getting it on.

Honestly, in residency plenty of times my house was such that it would have been better to hit up a hotel which you can afford living at home, than trying to frantically pick up before someone coming over. Plus this poster would have their own little cabin-thing that is kept clean.

If you want to build a relationship, then someone should be understanding, and if you date someone a few months and want to get more privacy, there's time to get your own place and get to know them in the interim.

I imagine the question of whether or not you have your own place makes more a difference if you're a guy dating gals. I gravitate to practical frugal people who value family.

Nowadays too, a lot of people have roommates. So a lot of people will understand that you have some too, except you don't have to pay to live with yours. But you have more money to go out or get a hotel.
 
If you knew my reputation on SDN, you would know I'm the last person who needs reminded of that. I'm specifically calling out that the Tinder casual sex or club/party mentality, while it might be something some residents are interested in, most single interns I knew didn't spend a lot of time on.

The point is, casual sex is not the end-all be-all and as I point out, if you want casual sex you don't have to be able to host. Living at home never stopped me from getting it on.

Honestly, in residency plenty of times my house was such that it would have been better to hit up a hotel which you can afford living at home, than trying to frantically pick up before someone coming over. Plus this poster would have their own little cabin-thing that is kept clean.

If you want to build a relationship, then someone should be understanding, and if you date someone a few months and want to get more privacy, there's time to get your own place and get to know them in the interim.

I imagine the question of whether or not you have your own place makes more a difference if you're a guy dating gals. I gravitate to practical frugal people who value family.

Nowadays too, a lot of people have roommates. So a lot of people will understand that you have some too, except you don't have to pay to live with yours. But you have more money to go out or get a hotel.

I agree with u, out of curiosity tho what specialty r u
 
I imagine the question of whether or not you have your own place makes more a difference if you're a guy dating gals. I gravitate to practical frugal people who value family.
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you are an outlier if you think living with your parents does not affect your ability to have casual sex

are you seriously suggesting that you get a hotel every time you think you have the opportunity to have sex? Depending on where you live, getting a CHEAP hotel room for 10 or so nights will be equal to your monthly rent. No way you can afford that, especially as a resident.

Can you imagine how angry you would be if you bought a hotel room thinking that you were gonna have sex with someone, then at the last minute, your partner decided not to go through with it? Lol!

Even if I'm in a relationship and I'm "guaranteed" sex, there's no way that I'm gonna be able to bang at my parents' place multiple times per day. But if I had my own apartment...

Dating is very different for men and women. Trust.

Also, let's not forget the fact that if you're a guy, you are de facto expected to pay for most things. Imagine meeting a girl for a date, suggesting that you get a hotel room, and then you quickly say you go Dutch...on the hotel room! Lol

I don't know about your reputation Crayola227, but I'm guessing that you're a woman. A woman is the last person a guy who is interested in dating girls should be listening to. Trust.
 
FWIW I have a partner who lived with his parents for 3 years as an attending anesthesiologist to knock down his $400k debt. Obviously OP is in a different situation. Also in some cultures it is very common for adult children to live with their parents until marriage.
 
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are you seriously suggesting that you get a hotel every time you think you have the opportunity to have sex? Depending on where you live, getting a CHEAP hotel room for 10 or so nights will be equal to your monthly rent. No way you can afford that, especially as a resident...

Seriously though, who has time for hooking up with a stranger 10 nights a month in residency? Forget the potential health effects of such an endeavor, seriously, who has the time for that? Maybe like 1 day a week (you know, your day off), but 2-3, no way, not without dropping your standards quite a bit. You still have to go shopping, run errands, go to the doctor for a shot of Rocephin and some doxy, etc. No, no way 90% of residents have time for that.
 
Seriously though, who has time for hooking up with a stranger 10 nights a month in residency? Forget the potential health effects of such an endeavor, seriously, who has the time for that? Maybe like 1 day a week (you know, your day off), but 2-3, no way, not without dropping your standards quite a bit. You still have to go shopping, run errands, go to the doctor for a shot of Rocephin and some doxy, etc. No, no way 90% of residents have time for that.

Don’t hate the player hate the game..
 
Seriously though, who has time for hooking up with a stranger 10 nights a month in residency? Forget the potential health effects of such an endeavor, seriously, who has the time for that? Maybe like 1 day a week (you know, your day off), but 2-3, no way, not without dropping your standards quite a bit. You still have to go shopping, run errands, go to the doctor for a shot of Rocephin and some doxy, etc. No, no way 90% of residents have time for that.
yeah 10 is a lot. My thought process was that it would not be unreasonable to go on two-three dates per week...and if the date is going well, then you get a hotel room because you can't take the person back to your place. I agree with you that you won't have time for that.

Point being though, living with your parents just so that you can pay for a hotel room for sex is laughable. I'm actually speaking from experience, too. When I lived with my parents, I met a girl at a club. We met up later that week, I bought a hotel room because there was no way I was bringing her back to my parent's house (we lived in different counties). Yes, we had pretty good sex, but it was not worth the $100+, + gas money to drive there + being dead tired at work the next day (we met up on the last day of finals, and she was flying back to her home state the next day).

When I look back on that memory, there's no way that the hotel setup would be sustainable from a time perspective, and especially not from a financial perspective for a resident.

I'm still a medical student though, so perhaps things will change by the time I get to residency...
 
If you're going to be able to stay in a guest house on the property, then concerns about privacy and bringing people home with you seem much less relevant. The commuting situation might be salient, but then again, a lot of my friends commute 20-30 minutes in residency and it's fine. It depends on the residency field, though. Are we talking surgery or one of the "lifestyle" specialties?

Yeah, you might have to answer some awkward questions about why you live with your parents, but I'll bet you could find good ways to play it off - i.e. the early retirement thing.
 
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