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Hey everyone,

I immigrated to the U.S only 5 years ago, so English is my second language. I did not do well on the verbal section of the MCAT.

Should i mention the fact that i moved here recently in my application? If I do, will med school assume that I don't have competent language skill?

If i don't, my immigration experience is a large part of who I am...

please help!

Thanks!!
 
Hey everyone,

I immigrated to the U.S only 5 years ago, so English is my second language. I did not do well on the verbal section of the MCAT.

Should i mention the fact that i moved here recently in my application? If I do, will med school assume that I don't have competent language skill?

If i don't, my immigration experience is a large part of who I am...

please help!

Thanks!!
I am an immigrant. I think it adds a unique dimention to my application-of course put it in. Don't represent it in bad light though.
An admissions person told me that you shouldn't bring up the low points of your application-so don't bring up your low Verbal score in your PS or secondary. Talk about the high points of being an immigrant, there are plenty! They want know how your experiences will contribute to you becoming an exceptional doctor, not how they made it hard for your to do well on the Verbal of the MCAT...does that make sense?

ahhh inorganic hw is draining my brainpower lol
 
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Damn immigrants taking all our JERBS

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XamI2ZKgE8g[/YOUTUBE].
 
I am an immigrant. I think it adds a unique dimention to my application-of course put it in. Don't represent it in bad light though.
An admissions person told me that you shouldn't bring up the low points of your application-so don't bring up your low Verbal score in your PS or secondary. Talk about the high points of being an immigrant, there are plenty! They want know how your experiences will contribute to you becoming an exceptional doctor, not how they made it hard for your to do well on the Verbal of the MCAT...does that make sense?

ahhh inorganic hw is draining my brainpower lol

I second this, bring it up and talk about what challenges you had to overcome, your exposure to different cultures especially if u've travelled around, how ur immigrant exp informs ou perspectives on health, medicine etc etc, and everything u say should cast u in good light OTHERWISE don't mention it.
 
Mention it. With even subpar stats it's a free ticket to medical school. Good luck.
 
its always a good story but dont tell them that thats the reason why you are lacking in any part of your application because once your a doctor you will (once in a while) need to make strong ciritical decisions in timed conditions (which is why verbal is sorta important) and they want to know you will be competent enough to assume that role

i hated the verbal section by the way, i grew up here and i think i improoved 2 points from when i first took my diagnostic test to my final mcat date. i find that some people either get it or dont ... i was one of those people that didnt lol. good luck
 
Yeah, I have the same question actually. I came to the US in 2006, took MCAT last month and got a 7 on the verbal section =( It was weird that I got a Q for my essay though. I think I will definitely bring it up in my personal statement and tell them what difficulties I have encountered and how I've made this far. =] Good luck!
 
Hey everyone,

I immigrated to the U.S only 5 years ago, so English is my second language. I did not do well on the verbal section of the MCAT.

Should i mention the fact that i moved here recently in my application? If I do, will med school assume that I don't have competent language skill?

If i don't, my immigration experience is a large part of who I am...

please help!

Thanks!!

Go ahead and mention it if it's a big part of your life, and it almost certainly is. I definitely wrote considerably about my immigrant experience.
 
I did not mention my immgiration status. It did nothing but hurt my college application.
 
I did not mention my immgiration status. It did nothing but hurt my college application.

What do you mean by this, MSSM? I have been working in the medical field for years in NYC, and a majority of my friends and colleagues are recent immigrants who had to jump through hurdles to pass their USMLE's and other exams. Their kids (also first-generation immigrants) definitely had enough of an advantage as a result of their immigrant status to offset the language and social adjustment issues they faced. It's difficult and commendable to move to a new country and try to assimilate, but it's unfair to say that anyone discriminates based upon immigration status.

If anything, schools and employers have more sympathy for the plight of the immigrant than they do for the American-born citizen whose education was interrupted because one parent was alcoholic and abusive, or both parents were somehow negligent. There are complicated situations that children have no power to change, such as one in which one parent leaves the other in debt, and the other parent comes into just enough money to pay it off, while leaving their children powerless to pay for college without a full scholarship...which is especially hard to earn when the oldest child had to pick up the younger siblings every day and cook dinner, while making sure sure everyone did their homework, and tried hard to do their best in school despite having too much responsibility thrust upon them. I got into a great college, but had to drop out because we simply could not afford it. Trying to explain that you did the best you could despite an alcoholic parent simply raises eyebrows: will you follow in *said* parent's footsteps? Explaining that you or your parents immigrated here elicits not only sympathy, but admiration. Please don't discredit the entire system by telling anyone that your immigrant status worked against you in any other way than the fact that you had to become proficient in the English language.

Premedgurl, mention and be proud of your immigrant status. Most of us immigrated here, or had ancestors who did. It definitely will NOT work against you, and will serve to explain your verbal score on the MCAT. Most admissions committees are far more forgiving (on the MCAT) to those who score below a 9 or 10 on the verbal section. The dean of admissions at Stony Brook (in NY) held a Q&A session in which he assured non-native English speakers that they focused more on the other sections for that select group of students. If anything, the fact that you moved here and excelled puts you at the front of the pack! Good luck!
 
What do you mean by this, MSSM? I have been working in the medical field for years in NYC, and a majority of my friends and colleagues are recent immigrants who had to jump through hurdles to pass their USMLE's and other exams. Their kids (also first-generation immigrants) definitely had enough of an advantage as a result of their immigrant status to offset the language and social adjustment issues they faced. It's difficult and commendable to move to a new country and try to assimilate, but it's unfair to say that anyone discriminates based upon immigration status.

If anything, schools and employers have more sympathy for the plight of the immigrant than they do for the American-born citizen whose education was interrupted because one parent was alcoholic and abusive, or both parents were somehow negligent. There are complicated situations that children have no power to change, such as one in which one parent leaves the other in debt, and the other parent comes into just enough money to pay it off, while leaving their children powerless to pay for college without a full scholarship...which is especially hard to earn when the oldest child had to pick up the younger siblings every day and cook dinner, while making sure sure everyone did their homework, and tried hard to do their best in school despite having too much responsibility thrust upon them. I got into a great college, but had to drop out because we simply could not afford it. Trying to explain that you did the best you could despite an alcoholic parent simply raises eyebrows: will you follow in *said* parent's footsteps? Explaining that you or your parents immigrated here elicits not only sympathy, but admiration. Please don't discredit the entire system by telling anyone that your immigrant status worked against you in any other way than the fact that you had to become proficient in the English language.

Premedgurl, mention and be proud of your immigrant status. Most of us immigrated here, or had ancestors who did. It definitely will NOT work against you, and will serve to explain your verbal score on the MCAT. Most admissions committees are far more forgiving (on the MCAT) to those who score below a 9 or 10 on the verbal section. The dean of admissions at Stony Brook (in NY) held a Q&A session in which he assured non-native English speakers that they focused more on the other sections for that select group of students. If anything, the fact that you moved here and excelled puts you at the front of the pack! Good luck!

I don't know you, but I liked you already =] I appreciate your comment, and thank you!
 
Sorry for hijacking your thread, but I have a question. Would you guys recommend me talking about my "immigrant" status? I was born in the here in the US but through-out my life due to economical reasons was forced back and forth from Mexico. I didn't go to kindergarten. I went half the year to school in Mexico and half here for my first grade. The same happened for my fourth grade year. This really screwed me in the whole English language thing. My parents say I couldn't even speak clearly until I was 6-7 because I was so confused about both languages. Of course I didn't notice. So what should I do? I've excelled in everything but reading and English. I'm just average in English.
 
What do you mean by this, MSSM? I have been working in the medical field for years in NYC, and a majority of my friends and colleagues are recent immigrants who had to jump through hurdles to pass their USMLE's and other exams. Their kids (also first-generation immigrants) definitely had enough of an advantage as a result of their immigrant status to offset the language and social adjustment issues they faced. It's difficult and commendable to move to a new country and try to assimilate, but it's unfair to say that anyone discriminates based upon immigration status.

If anything, schools and employers have more sympathy for the plight of the immigrant than they do for the American-born citizen whose education was interrupted because one parent was alcoholic and abusive, or both parents were somehow negligent. There are complicated situations that children have no power to change, such as one in which one parent leaves the other in debt, and the other parent comes into just enough money to pay it off, while leaving their children powerless to pay for college without a full scholarship...which is especially hard to earn when the oldest child had to pick up the younger siblings every day and cook dinner, while making sure sure everyone did their homework, and tried hard to do their best in school despite having too much responsibility thrust upon them. I got into a great college, but had to drop out because we simply could not afford it. Trying to explain that you did the best you could despite an alcoholic parent simply raises eyebrows: will you follow in *said* parent's footsteps? Explaining that you or your parents immigrated here elicits not only sympathy, but admiration. Please don't discredit the entire system by telling anyone that your immigrant status worked against you in any other way than the fact that you had to become proficient in the English language.

Premedgurl, mention and be proud of your immigrant status. Most of us immigrated here, or had ancestors who did. It definitely will NOT work against you, and will serve to explain your verbal score on the MCAT. Most admissions committees are far more forgiving (on the MCAT) to those who score below a 9 or 10 on the verbal section. The dean of admissions at Stony Brook (in NY) held a Q&A session in which he assured non-native English speakers that they focused more on the other sections for that select group of students. If anything, the fact that you moved here and excelled puts you at the front of the pack! Good luck!

what I am trying to say is, do not expect to be given a break on your English ability. I wasn't, and not until my English became as good as my peers could I compete with them on an even footing.

Migrants or not, if you can't use English well, there are other applicants to replace you. immigration experience IS NOT URM. I don't know how much I should stress this.

Did it hurt me? Yeah. Because I was over-represented, and even though I didn't even have a chance to grow up in the inner city and learn English (much less suburbs) I was forced to compete on even ground with other kids who had the good life.

Oh yeah, and you DO face discrimination along the way. I had discriminatory experiences (as well as really awesome people) all the way up to medical school admissions. I did mention (briefly) about where I was coming from, and then I had an interviewer of my same race basically told me that immigrants destroyed image of our group of people because they cannot speak English properly. keep in mind by the time I am interviewing for med school I had a 90% MCAT verbal score and speak perfect English. You can't tell if I am not native.

I walked out of that interview and withdrew from the school on the same day. It was a top 15 school and it was one of my dream school before that.

so, in summary, why mention something that doesn't give you a boost and may potentially allow people to discriminate you again? Sure, people with mental illness issues struggle, but I think the overwhelming advice here is to not share that experience. Judging by the amount of discrimination I faced, I suggest you to keep this whole immigrant thing to yourself.
 
What do you mean by this, MSSM? I have been working in the medical field for years in NYC, and a majority of my friends and colleagues are recent immigrants who had to jump through hurdles to pass their USMLE's and other exams. Their kids (also first-generation immigrants) definitely had enough of an advantage as a result of their immigrant status to offset the language and social adjustment issues they faced. It's difficult and commendable to move to a new country and try to assimilate, but it's unfair to say that anyone discriminates based upon immigration status.

If anything, schools and employers have more sympathy for the plight of the immigrant than they do for the American-born citizen whose education was interrupted because one parent was alcoholic and abusive, or both parents were somehow negligent. There are complicated situations that children have no power to change, such as one in which one parent leaves the other in debt, and the other parent comes into just enough money to pay it off, while leaving their children powerless to pay for college without a full scholarship...which is especially hard to earn when the oldest child had to pick up the younger siblings every day and cook dinner, while making sure sure everyone did their homework, and tried hard to do their best in school despite having too much responsibility thrust upon them. I got into a great college, but had to drop out because we simply could not afford it. Trying to explain that you did the best you could despite an alcoholic parent simply raises eyebrows: will you follow in *said* parent's footsteps? Explaining that you or your parents immigrated here elicits not only sympathy, but admiration. Please don't discredit the entire system by telling anyone that your immigrant status worked against you in any other way than the fact that you had to become proficient in the English language.

Premedgurl, mention and be proud of your immigrant status. Most of us immigrated here, or had ancestors who did. It definitely will NOT work against you, and will serve to explain your verbal score on the MCAT. Most admissions committees are far more forgiving (on the MCAT) to those who score below a 9 or 10 on the verbal section. The dean of admissions at Stony Brook (in NY) held a Q&A session in which he assured non-native English speakers that they focused more on the other sections for that select group of students. If anything, the fact that you moved here and excelled puts you at the front of the pack! Good luck!
wow. it felt like you were describing my experience.
Trust me premedgurl-this will help you. You obviously have a good enough grasp on the language to have done well on PS and BS (which are both passage based...lots of reading). I would say that you shouldn't rely on it to make you memorable to the committee but it is definitely a positive aspect to mention.
 
what I am trying to say is, do not expect to be given a break on your English ability. I wasn't, and not until my English became as good as my peers could I compete with them on an even footing.

Migrants or not, if you can't use English well, there are other applicants to replace you. immigration experience IS NOT URM. I don't know how much I should stress this.

Did it hurt me? Yeah. Because I was over-represented, and even though I didn't even have a chance to grow up in the inner city and learn English (much less suburbs) I was forced to compete on even ground with other kids who had the good life.

Oh yeah, and you DO face discrimination along the way. I had discriminatory experiences (as well as really awesome people) all the way up to medical school admissions. I did mention (briefly) about where I was coming from, and then I had an interviewer of my same race basically told me that immigrants destroyed image of our group of people because they cannot speak English properly. keep in mind by the time I am interviewing for med school I had a 90% MCAT verbal score and speak perfect English. You can't tell if I am not native.

I walked out of that interview and withdrew from the school on the same day. It was a top 15 school and it was one of my dream school before that.

so, in summary, why mention something that doesn't give you a boost and may potentially allow people to discriminate you again? Sure, people with mental illness issues struggle, but I think the overwhelming advice here is to not share that experience. Judging by the amount of discrimination I faced, I suggest you to keep this whole immigrant thing to yourself.

Well, if it makes you feel any better, I grew up white and extremely poor...so poor, in fact, that my education was disrupted. My mother who was single and had NO help from my father (who illegally skipped town without supporting us) went into bankruptcy and was at a loss when my brother was hospitalized long-term. Nobody had any sympathy for my situation as a first-year undergraduate, though I was 17 and had no ability to change my situation. I paid for my first year of college from what I had saved in high school, then dropped out to help my mom and save whatever I could.

I don't want sympathy. This only strengthened my resolve to pursue higher education, on my own terms. And it further proves that ANYONE can do ANYTHING in this country, regardless of financial means or race, background, ethnicity, creed, etc. I worked my butt off and went back to school while supporting myself. Four years later, I'm proud to be finishing my bachelor's in science and applying to medical school.

I'm tired of sob stories. I once told my own sob story, and realized it was absolute crap. Anyone with a capable mind can pursue their dreams in this country. I'm tired of hearing excuses about why people couldn't pursue their dreams. I spent ten years working in Queens, NY, where I was literally the only full-time employee who was born in this country. Most of the physicians and nurses I worked with had to prove themselves (as non-native English speakers) through exams, residency, and sometimes even repeating years of education they already had finished. They did so with grace and dignity, usually while raising children. They taught me to suck it up; whatever I had experienced, it was not an excuse to complain rather than achieving my goals. If you're starting anew with a whole family relying on you, you have my sympathy. But stop complaining about whatever "disadvantage" you have, and put your energy into achieving your goals.
 
To the OP: Be very careful of trying to "explain" anything negative. If you want to use you PS to explain how immigration is a part of you as a person then do so but don't make excuses for a poor grade/performance in this document because they will come across as excuses.

If your language skills were not good enough for the MCAT,then they might not be good enough for medical school. You don't want to leave anyone on an admissions committee with the impression that your language skills are poor.

If you are asked about your verbal MCAT score, then have an answer ready that doesn't come across as an excuse. Otherwise, put your immigration into a positive light and let the admissions committee members draw their own conclusions.

I can tell you that if I read a PS from a student who is an immigrant with a poor verbal score who wrote that their verbal score was due to immigration, I would not be impressed as plenty of new immigrants from non-English speaking countries do quite well in verbal on the MCAT. In short, don't try to make any excuses for anything poor on your application. Have an explanation ready if asked in an interview but keep in mind that excuses can be a huge negative regardless of the reason.

Both of my parents were immigrants to this country and my father attended medical school here after coming to this country at age 14. His parents didn't tolerate anyone not thoroughly and completely learning the language thus he worked hard to make sure that his English was excellent with a minimal accent.
 
Do not mention it as an excuse.

If you look at things objectively, immigration will at most be looked at neutrally. There is always a tendency to favour the ingroup, and if you notice the many digs at how "immigrants took our jobs" and all the other sarcastic remarks that there will definitely be people out there with negative feelings towards immigrants.

I would suggest putting it down on the PS definitely, if it relates to a life changing experience or maturity, BUT if its just a one sentence, "i am a immigrant", I would not suggest that.
And definitely not to defend your verbal score, or possibly low english grades.
 
Put it on your application. I moved over to the US when I was 8 and it was a major point of my application. it was a major obstacle to overcome
 
What do you mean by this, MSSM? I have been working in the medical field for years in NYC, and a majority of my friends and colleagues are recent immigrants who had to jump through hurdles to pass their USMLE's and other exams. Their kids (also first-generation immigrants) definitely had enough of an advantage as a result of their immigrant status to offset the language and social adjustment issues they faced. It's difficult and commendable to move to a new country and try to assimilate, but it's unfair to say that anyone discriminates based upon immigration status.

If anything, schools and employers have more sympathy for the plight of the immigrant than they do for the American-born citizen whose education was interrupted because one parent was alcoholic and abusive, or both parents were somehow negligent. There are complicated situations that children have no power to change, such as one in which one parent leaves the other in debt, and the other parent comes into just enough money to pay it off, while leaving their children powerless to pay for college without a full scholarship...which is especially hard to earn when the oldest child had to pick up the younger siblings every day and cook dinner, while making sure sure everyone did their homework, and tried hard to do their best in school despite having too much responsibility thrust upon them. I got into a great college, but had to drop out because we simply could not afford it. Trying to explain that you did the best you could despite an alcoholic parent simply raises eyebrows: will you follow in *said* parent's footsteps? Explaining that you or your parents immigrated here elicits not only sympathy, but admiration. Please don't discredit the entire system by telling anyone that your immigrant status worked against you in any other way than the fact that you had to become proficient in the English language.

Premedgurl, mention and be proud of your immigrant status. Most of us immigrated here, or had ancestors who did. It definitely will NOT work against you, and will serve to explain your verbal score on the MCAT. Most admissions committees are far more forgiving (on the MCAT) to those who score below a 9 or 10 on the verbal section. The dean of admissions at Stony Brook (in NY) held a Q&A session in which he assured non-native English speakers that they focused more on the other sections for that select group of students. If anything, the fact that you moved here and excelled puts you at the front of the pack! Good luck!


you are kidding when you say that immigration gives you an ADVANTAGE... right?
 
you can't pretend who you are not.
but who you are today just has to be up to par, that's it.
i was looking into the paul and daisy soros fellowship for new americans the other day and noticed that almost none of the recipients are first generation immigrants (don't consider moving to the US at age 2 or 5 as "first generation) why? as first generation immigrants, we are too new, not american enough, and just not up to par for america. we spend too much time to adapt. honestly, I barely remember anything between age 13 - 18 that didn't involve, me, trying to adjust to america while taking IB/AP classes. we can be good enough, and even really awesome, but to be recognized by institutional systems like med schools, etc, all you can be is up to par, that's it.
I understand your situation, but there is nothing we can do about it.
we are already lucky to have moved here at relatively young age. our parents have it eve harder.
 
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Mention it. It is a huge part of who you are and gives you a unique perspective that schools appreciate. As long as you don't try to blame things on your immigration status or try to get sympathy because of it, you're fine.
 
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