Simulating med school studying?

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Its not THAT bad. I study like its a full time job and dont go to class. Then take 1 day off usually. I have free time if i want it. some blocks are easier than others. I had my GI block last block and it was intense studied like 10 hrs per day for 3 weeks. Now were doing endo/repro and i study 6 hrs per day on avg. I really like med school-its challenging but doable. If you are accepted you can handle the work trust me. Adcoms are very good at gauging who can handle
 
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I’m curious as to what he would call THAT bad
 
I’m curious as to what he would call THAT bad
This is including class. People studying 3 hrs per day are lying to you. 6-10 hrs per day (GI block was an exception but usually its 10 hrs per day like 4-5 days up to the exam only) including class with one day off per week is like a job you would have if you werent in med school and is pretty darn avg I would say. I wake up at 10am everyday and have time for myself at night to watch netflix and do whatever I want after studying. It really is not THAT bad. GI block sucked but thats like 3 weeks out of the school year and most other blocks arent like that for us
 
I always hear the “drinking water from a fire hose” and eating pancakes analogy, but I’ve never actually seen the amount of material med students are required to learn in x amount of time. Is there anywhere online that I’d be able to find for example, all of the lecture slides/material for 1 block at a med school? I’m just really curious to see exactly how much info it is and the depth of it.

Drinking water from a fire hose while running after the fire engine is more accurate.

Do a google search for the following:
Limb anatomy lecture
musculoskeletal pathology lecture
Rheumatic diseases lecture
muscle physiology lecture
non-steroidal anti-inflammatory lecture

Now learn these in 1-2 days.
Then add in a lab on limb anatomy and patient history taking,
 
Here’s my question- when being the recipient of such a huge load of info, do you actually retain it, or learn it, pass an exam, and forget it? There’s no doubt that I could learn all of that short term. My concern is retention. I learned 10x as much in nursing school as I remember now. We learned the clotting cascade for instance, and now I remember a couple steps, and just generally know “okay there are a lot of different clotting factors involved and different medications act on different ones, and for Coumadin you check INR but heparin you check PTT.”
 
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Medical school is not exactly hard but getting through medical school takes conditioning and it's the conditioning that takes a lot of time and effort.

A high GPA shows you are best equipped to handle the next step academically and the MCAT shows that you know how to test well. If you have those two things covered, getting through medical school should not be difficult.

Think of your pre-med as conditioning for the big race. If you don't put in enough training, you won't finish the race.
 
Here’s my question- when being the recipient of such a huge load of info, do you actually retain it, or learn it, pass an exam, and forget it? There’s no doubt that I could learn all of that short term. My concern is retention. I learned 10x as much in nursing school as I remember now. We learned the clotting cascade for instance, and now I remember a couple steps, and just generally know “okay there are a lot of different clotting factors involved and different medications act on different ones, and for Coumadin you check INR but heparin you check PTT.
Zanki
 
Here’s my question- when being the recipient of such a huge load of info, do you actually retain it, or learn it, pass an exam, and forget it? There’s no doubt that I could learn all of that short term. My concern is retention. I learned 10x as much in nursing school as I remember now. We learned the clotting cascade for instance, and now I remember a couple steps, and just generally know “okay there are a lot of different clotting factors involved and different medications act on different ones, and for Coumadin you check INR but heparin you check PTT.

Multiple passes and creating my own review document (screenshotting/pasting slides or information I struggled with) for rapid review have helped me.
 
You can retain the information for STEP1, but do med students find any incentive to retaining information after STEP1, through clinicals and on to residency? Obviously, you should and will know the information that is clinically relevant to your field, but after STEP1 do you really need the nitty-gritty stuff?
 
You can retain the information for STEP1, but do med students find any incentive to retaining information after STEP1, through clinicals and on to residency? Obviously, you should and will know the information that is clinically relevant to your field, but after STEP1 do you really need the nitty-gritty stuff?
Nah already deleted zanki haha
 
During basic sciences, you are a professional student first until STEP1 is cleared.
You can retain the information for STEP1, but do med students find any incentive to retaining information after STEP1, through clinicals and on to residency? Obviously, you should and will know the information that is clinically relevant to your field, but after STEP1 do you really need the nitty-gritty stuff?

Humans can not become encyclopedias of information. The main idea here is efficiency. After STEP1, most of the basic sciences material gets purged. You don't exactly forget anything but you're not going to recall this information at a moment's notice if you are not practicing it everyday.

No doctor is an expert on every single area of medicine.
 
Drinking water from a fire hose while running after the fire engine is more accurate.

Do a google search for the following:
Limb anatomy lecture
musculoskeletal pathology lecture
Rheumatic diseases lecture
muscle physiology lecture
non-steroidal anti-inflammatory lecture

Now learn these in 1-2 days.
Then add in a lab on limb anatomy and patient history taking,

And, if you happen to attend an osteopathic school, make sure to add roughly one hour for an OMM lecture and another two hours for lab each week.
 
And, if you happen to attend an osteopathic school, make sure to add roughly one hour for an OMM lecture and another two hours for lab each week.
I just hope I’ll be a good masseuse as well after that.
 
I just hope I’ll be a good masseuse as well after that.
We all started out making fun of it, but you really do get a feel for muscles and bones and how to adjust them pretty quickly. My girlfriend is constantly asking me to do OMM after her workouts.
 
We all started out making fun of it, but you really do get a feel for muscles and bones and how to adjust them pretty quickly. My girlfriend is constantly asking me to do OMM after her workouts.
Do many DOs actually utilize OMM in their practice?
 
Do many DOs actually utilize OMM in their practice?

PM&R, Ortho, urgent care (not emergent), and family docs probably use OMM far more often than the other counterparts.

I’ve told my friends that, if a perfect opportunity arises, I’ll use OMM. Otherwise, it’s probably not something I’ll consider.

And for the record, our OMM is exceptionally lax. We can fail our OSCEs multiple times with no real repercussions, leave lab an hour early, and and, worst case scenario (from what I’ve heard), they make you write an essay if you somehow still fail the class before passing you.

It’s not as bad as it sounds everywhere you go, and it can be genuinely helpful if you just consider it an extra subsection of your MSK block/class.
 
PM&R, Ortho, urgent care (not emergent), and family docs probably use OMM far more often than the other counterparts.

I’ve told my friends that, if a perfect opportunity arises, I’ll use OMM. Otherwise, it’s probably not something I’ll consider.

And for the record, our OMM is exceptionally lax. We can fail our OSCEs multiple times with no real repercussions, leave lab an hour early, and and, worst case scenario (from what I’ve heard), they make you write an essay if you somehow still fail the class before passing you.

It’s not as bad as it sounds everywhere you go, and it can be genuinely helpful if you just consider it an extra subsection of your MSK block/class.
Thinking of it as MSK, does OMM help you at all with general Anatomy learning or not so much?
 
So what do some DOs believe the “rhythm” is? Electricity or magnetism or something?
 
So what do some DOs believe the “rhythm” is? Electricity or magnetism or something?
Not sure what you're getting at. Not sure I care to. If you're just here to mock OMM, take it elsewhere. Not relevant to the discussion at hand.
 
So what do some DOs believe the “rhythm” is? Electricity or magnetism or something?
Most of the students I have spoken with say that they and most of their professors take this 19th century idea and merely
So what do some DOs believe the “rhythm” is? Electricity or magnetism or something?
Most of the time the don’t believe anything of it and they will say “I feel it” because it is part of their grade and they won’t get the degree without it. Most DO students are students who want to be doctors but had too low of stats for MD, so be it. Stats don’t mean anything for the quality of doctor. As others in here have mentioned, 90+% of DOs don’t use it at all. Those that do use OMM will use just OMT most of which has many, MANY, of the same techniques used by PMR, PT, Sports Medicine and, yes, chiropractics and massage therapists. Very, VERY few in the DO community think much of the whole cranial stuff. However, beyond the OMM aspect, a DO curriculum is 100% the same as any MD school. Don’t deride an entire field (that puts out about 25% of all new doctors).
 
Not sure what you're getting at. Not sure I care to. If you're just here to mock OMM, take it elsewhere. Not relevant to the discussion at hand.
No.. I’m trying to understand what the “rhythm” is. Why not just answer my question instead of being defensive? How can I mock something I don’t even know the theory of?
 
No.. I’m trying to understand what the “rhythm” is. Why not just answer my question instead of being defensive? How can I mock something I don’t even know the theory of?
Until you asked your initial question, there had been a grand total of zero references to "rhythm" in this thread. So, what rhythm are you talking about?
 
Until you asked your initial question, there had been a grand total of zero references to "rhythm" in this thread. So, what rhythm are you talking about?
The craniosacral rhythm. It was mentioned. I’m just trying to understand the theory so I can ponder it myself.
 
The craniosacral rhythm. It was mentioned. I’m just trying to understand the theory so I can ponder it myself.
It wasn't mentioned in this thread. That, combined with your comment about being a good masseuse led me to believe you were mocking it. I apologize if I caused offense, but sarcasm doesn't translate well into text. In any case, I can't comment on the "rhythm" as we have yet to cover craniosacral material at my school.
 
Basing off of that, I know medical school for me will be somewhere around 30-40 hours a week (with the occasional 60) and I will come out in the STEP score of 240ish range unless I put in more effort.
I've seen hubris before, but confidence that you're going to be in the top 30% of all MD students before you even apply to medical school is...advanced hubris.
 
Medical school is not exactly hard but getting through medical school takes conditioning and it's the conditioning that takes a lot of time and effort.

A high GPA shows you are best equipped to handle the next step academically and the MCAT shows that you know how to test well. If you have those two things covered, getting through medical school should not be difficult.

Think of your pre-med as conditioning for the big race. If you don't put in enough training, you won't finish the race.

What would you say is the threshold and cutoff for being able to handle med school? How high of a GPA? What classes in particular would you say determine it?

My friends said Orgo I and II make a difference and adcoms love it. They also said that it’s a good indicator for how you would think on clinical problems!!!

I mean I didn’t do well so...
 
I've seen hubris before, but confidence that you're going to be in the top 30% of all MD students before you even apply to medical school is...advanced hubris.
I have acknowledged my mistake in self evaluation of something I know nothing about. The hubris does still apply for my pre-MED activities as I do tend to be highly self-confident and perform within my own expectations of myself (as it applies to things I actually plan for and have experience with). As far as STEP goes, you are correct, I was wrong and I rescind my statement as I cannot possibly guess how I will do on something outside of the context of being in that something (step and MED school, respectively).
 
I have acknowledged my mistake in self evaluation of something I know nothing about. The hubris does still apply for my pre-MED activities as I do tend to be highly self-confident and perform within my own expectations of myself (as it applies to things I actually plan for and have experience with). As far as STEP goes, you are correct, I was wrong and I rescind my statement as I cannot possibly guess how I will do on something outside of the context of being in that something (step and MED school, respectively).
Good to hear! FYI, just for future reference - it's not an acronym, the word is literally "Step," as in one of several steps (there are 3 exams).
 
What would you say is the threshold and cutoff for being able to handle med school? How high of a GPA? What classes in particular would you say determine it?

My friends said Orgo I and II make a difference and adcoms love it. They also said that it’s a good indicator for how you would think on clinical problems!!!

I mean I didn’t do well so...
I'd say the cutoff is well below what you need to get accepted to medical school. Nowadays you need roundabouts a 3.7-8 to have a solid GPA for your application, but I think if you're able to hold your own and get like a 3.3 or above in the pre-med track you can almost certainly pass medical school. I agree that organic chemistry does employ the same thought process as clinical problems. However, it's a very poor marker for how someone would perform in medical school. The difficulty of medical school is the enormous volume of the material - most concepts on their own are not particularly difficult to understand (unlike organic chemistry, in which there isn't very much memorization but the concepts can be extremely hard). The best indicator of success would probably be taking multiple high-level courses simultaneously, some of which require a lot of memorization.
 
@bananafish94 yeah I mean I’ve had some intense semesters where it’s been rote memorization and I’d do well with like A’s, A-‘s, (save for one bad semetser) and May have a bad grade here and there sprinkled in...

What about MCAT-wise? Just to know that you CAN handle med school? I’ve had/am having some doubts...
 
@bananafish94 yeah I mean I’ve had some intense semesters where it’s been rote memorization and I’d do well with like A’s, A-‘s, (save for one bad semetser) and May have a bad grade here and there sprinkled in...

What about MCAT-wise? Just to know that you CAN handle med school? I’ve had/am having some doubts...
A bad grade here and there is not something to be overly concerned about as long as it doesn't drastically affect your overall GPA. As for the MCAT, I believe there's actually been formal studies done on this. I seem to remember there's a certain score (not super high, maybe like 27 or so on the old one) at which point it's overwhelmingly likely that you will graduate medical school in four years. As for getting in, that's a different story unfortunately.
 
Good to hear! FYI, just for future reference - it's not an acronym, the word is literally "Step," as in one of several steps (there are 3 exams).
I know it’s a not an acronym, I just put it in all capitals because it feels weird to have a test that isn’t in all caps (SAT, GRE, OAT, DAT, MCAT....just feels weird to me not to put STEP)
 
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A bad grade here and there is not something to be overly concerned about as long as it doesn't drastically affect your overall GPA. As for the MCAT, I believe there's actually been formal studies done on this. I seem to remember there's a certain score (not super high, maybe like 27 or so on the old one) at which point it's overwhelmingly likely that you will graduate medical school in four years. As for getting in, that's a different story unfortunately.

That’s prob a 503 or something on the new one
 
It wasn't mentioned in this thread. That, combined with your comment about being a good masseuse led me to believe you were mocking it. I apologize if I caused offense, but sarcasm doesn't translate well into text. In any case, I can't comment on the "rhythm" as we have yet to cover craniosacral material at my school.
Oh I finally found something on it. So the theory is that the skull bones cause the CSF to pulse down the spinal cord like the heart does blood, and when it’s out of whack it causes problems.
 
What would you say is the threshold and cutoff for being able to handle med school? How high of a GPA? What classes in particular would you say determine it?

My friends said Orgo I and II make a difference and adcoms love it. They also said that it’s a good indicator for how you would think on clinical problems!!!

I mean I didn’t do well so...

You're looking at all of this very wrong.

Admission to a US medical school is "hard" because it is extremely competitive. Those that get in are those that have demonstrated commitment. Nobody wakes up one day and says they want to go to medical school.

As far as handling medical school, commitment breeds discipline and focus. You need discipline and focus to make it through medical school. No GPA or MCAT score will 100% accurately predict your performance in medical school. The idea here is being disciplined enough to handle what medical school throws your way.

Just because orgo is "hard" does not mean anything. I personally think orgo exists due to some tradition that every medical school applicant has had to sit through orgo and I also believe that orgo takes up a huge chunk of your time so it forces you to manage your schedule just a little more than someone who isn't taking the course. You don't use organic chemistry in medical biochemistry that you are taught in medical school. Biochem in medical school is a bunch of pathways and a lot of clinically-related material.

As far as pre req's, if I could make up my own list I would say Gen Bio I and II, Genetics, Biochemistry, Embryology, A&P I and II, Microbiology, Immunology, and a Pathophysiology course. That's a pretty solid background to tackle medical school. I don't care too much for Chem, Orgo, and Physics because you don't use those courses in med school.
 
You're looking at all of this very wrong.

Admission to a US medical school is "hard" because it is extremely competitive. Those that get in are those that have demonstrated commitment. Nobody wakes up one day and says they want to go to medical school.

As far as handling medical school, commitment breeds discipline and focus. You need discipline and focus to make it through medical school. No GPA or MCAT score will 100% accurately predict your performance in medical school. The idea here is being disciplined enough to handle what medical school throws your way.

Just because orgo is "hard" does not mean anything. I personally think orgo exists due to some tradition that every medical school applicant has had to sit through orgo and I also believe that orgo takes up a huge chunk of your time so it forces you to manage your schedule just a little more than someone who isn't taking the course. You don't use organic chemistry in medical biochemistry that you are taught in medical school. Biochem in medical school is a bunch of pathways and a lot of clinically-related material.

As far as pre req's, if I could make up my own list I would say Gen Bio I and II, Genetics, Biochemistry, Embryology, A&P I and II, Microbiology, Immunology, and a Pathophysiology course. That's a pretty solid background to tackle medical school. I don't care too much for Chem, Orgo, and Physics because you don't use those courses in med school.
I would assume you still need to know and apply basic chem principles (Le’chatlier equilibrium, like-dissolves like, metals bind a certain number of ligands to form X geometry etc.) But you probably don’t need to use your calculator a whole lot, do yuh?
 
That’s prob a 503 or something on the new one
If you can still get a 500+ youll be fine in med school. I got a 497 and im doing very very well in med school. My study buddy got a 496 and he also does very well. MCAT just tests whether you have the discipline to study everyday for hrs and hrs for an extended period of time like you do in med school. Preclinical grades in med school have the best predictor for board success much more than MCAT
 
If you can still get a 500+ youll be fine in med school. I got a 497 and im doing very very well in med school. My study buddy got a 496 and he also does very well. MCAT just tests whether you have the discipline to study everyday for hrs and hrs for an extended period of time like you do in med school. Preclinical grades in med school have the best predictor for board success much more than MCAT

Where are you in training? Have you taken Step 1 yet? If not, do you know anyone who has taken Step 1 and done well after scoring ~50th %ile on the MCAT? There seems to be data showing a loose correlation between MCAT and Step performance.
 
I would assume you still need to know and apply basic chem principles (Le’chatlier equilibrium, like-dissolves like, metals bind a certain number of ligands to form X geometry etc.) But you probably don’t need to use your calculator a whole lot, do yuh?
The only chem I’ve ever used is H2O + CO2 -> H2CO3 -> H+ + HCO3-
 
@Mike Bagwell you think I can handle it? Yeah I see what you’re saying. No chem? Really???

Nobody can tell anybody if they can handle medical school. It all comes down to what I was saying about commitment. If you were truly committed to this, you wouldn't even need to ask because you'll know for yourself.

In all fairness, I think people try to scare other people into thinking that medical school and becoming a doctor is so hard that only a certain segment of society is qualified to study and practice it. The truth is, the most difficult part of medical school is probably just getting in.
 
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