Since when do we have "other" goals?

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This is more of a vent than anything...

So here I am working the western personal questionnaire when I come to the realization after question two "Aside from becoming a veterinarian, what other goals do you have? How do you plan to achieve them?"...

No as sad and sick as this may be, I have (at least in my eyes) put everything on hold for the past 3-4 years to focus on this one goal. I pretty much shelved my "other" hopes and dreams to focus 100% of my efforts to this one. I get the point of the question- Show us you are human. All I have to do is piece it together again.
I feel like I'm half-assing these apps down two hobbies- biking and photography (avoiding horses to keep it outside the animal world).

As dedicated prevets, I am sure you all understand to some extent. :laugh:

We're not human!
 
The worst is those questions that ask things like "if you werent going to vet school, what would you be doing" or "what will you do if you are rejected from so and so school" and blah.

I DONT HAVE A PLAN B!

But yes, I totally agree with you. Everything I do is for the purpose of getting into vet school. I don't even think i have hobbies any more (besides sitting my lazy butt in front of the tv with a nice drink to forget about applications!)
 
On my application when asked what would you do if you didn't get in, I said I'd keep my job, get more diverse experience and try again, and again, and again. My goal is to be a vet and I will reach my goal, no matter how long it takes. That's the truth! Only 20 months left before I'll be a DVM (and my first recovery surgery survived today! Humane society spay! Yeah!)
 
It's just another 'unique butterfly' question. I wrote about my goal to train a SAR dog and to take a motorcycle trip across the US.
 
I hear you! I'm not applying to Western, but Iowa asked about how you were a unique snowflake/butterfly/rainbow and specifically stated that you should not talk about any of your listed veterinary or animal experience. Ummmm, that's pretty much all I've had time for during the last 5 years! School, work, ride. Sleep. Repeat the next week. I ended up talking about my nature geekiness as a birder, appreciator of insects, etc.
 
I don't think I have any other career related goals, really, but I do have lots of other super nerdy interests like improv comedy and trivia.
 
They just want to see that you are "well-rounded." Yes, it's bullcrap because they expect you to be this driven, focused individual....who does all these exciting things on the side. Personally, I'm of the opinion that it's not really their business what I do in my free time - that doesn't really have anything to do with the kind of vet (or vet student) that I am going to be. BUT, you have to "play the game" when it comes to that kind of thing. They are just looking for little things to sort people out - there are SO many qualified applicants, and only so many spots - they are just looking for one more thing to be able to tell them all apart. 🙄

Which is another thing that gets me... There are huge shortages of vets nationwide (especially LA and PH), yet the difference in applicants between accepted, wait list, and denied can be 10 points or less. So there are a lot of people who are perfectly qualified and ready to step up and fill the shortages. Why are vet schools still so exclusive, and why are there still so few of them? I'm sure money is a factor, but if you increase your class size, you increase your tuition income. Not to mention the recent government incentives to vet-ed institutions, trying to address the shortages.

Alright, done ranting for now. 😀
 
They just want to see that you are "well-rounded." Yes, it's bullcrap because they expect you to be this driven, focused individual....who does all these exciting things on the side. Personally, I'm of the opinion that it's not really their business what I do in my free time - that doesn't really have anything to do with the kind of vet (or vet student) that I am going to be. BUT, you have to "play the game" when it comes to that kind of thing. They are just looking for little things to sort people out - there are SO many qualified applicants, and only so many spots - they are just looking for one more thing to be able to tell them all apart. 🙄

Which is another thing that gets me... There are huge shortages of vets nationwide (especially LA and PH), yet the difference in applicants between accepted, wait list, and denied can be 10 points or less. So there are a lot of people who are perfectly qualified and ready to step up and fill the shortages. Why are vet schools still so exclusive, and why are there still so few of them? I'm sure money is a factor, but if you increase your class size, you increase your tuition income. Not to mention the recent government incentives to vet-ed institutions, trying to address the shortages.

Alright, done ranting for now. 😀


Amen! I wrote my NSCU "current issue" question about this. :laugh:
Although I really can't speak from personal annoyance....I missed getting in last year by 25 points.

As for my "other goals"--I hope to one day fart rainbows and have conversations with myself in public of thirty minutes or more without stopping to talk to anyone else....still working on those...😉
 
Talking about the shortage in LA and PH vets-it annoys me that most vet schools don't recruit people interested in those areas more. I know people could say they were interested then "change their mind" and go SA, but still, there has to be some way to reward people like me who would like to go work in a slaughterhouse or chicken plant!

Other goals: I guess I could write about wanting to win best in show in the county fair with my snickerdoodles, or how I've always wanted to grow one of those monster pumpkins. I don't think they'd care about that, though, so I'm glad I didn't have one of those questions!
 
Although I really can't speak from personal annoyance....I missed getting in last year by 25 points.

I missed waitlist by 0.268 points and admission by 4 points. 🙁
 
Talking about the shortage in LA and PH vets-it annoys me that most vet schools don't recruit people interested in those areas more. I know people could say they were interested then "change their mind" and go SA, but still, there has to be some way to reward people like me who would like to go work in a slaughterhouse or chicken plant!

Other goals: I guess I could write about wanting to win best in show in the county fair with my snickerdoodles, or how I've always wanted to grow one of those monster pumpkins. I don't think they'd care about that, though, so I'm glad I didn't have one of those questions!


Aren't there a lot of LA scholarships floating around out there? I don't think the schools themselves can really do much to recruit different types of vets...I know firsthand of a lot of applicants who picked the shortage that year, and just used that to help them get in. Ugh.

Also...this snickerdoodle idea could totally work. Make sure you bring some samples to your interview. 😉
 
Aren't there a lot of LA scholarships floating around out there? I don't think the schools themselves can really do much to recruit different types of vets...I know firsthand of a lot of applicants who picked the shortage that year, and just used that to help them get in. Ugh.

Also...this snickerdoodle idea could totally work. Make sure you bring some samples to your interview. 😉

That's really shady and unethical. I understand changing one's mind while in school, but not purposely applying with a LA interest just as an "in" without being genuine. Ex: I want to pursue this line of work even though my hours in LA/food/PH number around 150ish not including equine. Now, I know its not a ton but living in a huge city and working fulltime, its hard to get out to concentrate solely on this type of experience. Instead, I have a varied experience and hope that this will shine through and not jade adcom members because of previously shady applicants.
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They just want to see that you are "well-rounded." Yes, it's bullcrap because they expect you to be this driven, focused individual....who does all these exciting things on the side. Personally, I'm of the opinion that it's not really their business what I do in my free time - that doesn't really have anything to do with the kind of vet (or vet student) that I am going to be. BUT, you have to "play the game" when it comes to that kind of thing. They are just looking for little things to sort people out - there are SO many qualified applicants, and only so many spots - they are just looking for one more thing to be able to tell them all apart. 🙄

Which is another thing that gets me... There are huge shortages of vets nationwide (especially LA and PH), yet the difference in applicants between accepted, wait list, and denied can be 10 points or less. So there are a lot of people who are perfectly qualified and ready to step up and fill the shortages. Why are vet schools still so exclusive, and why are there still so few of them? I'm sure money is a factor, but if you increase your class size, you increase your tuition income. Not to mention the recent government incentives to vet-ed institutions, trying to address the shortages.

Alright, done ranting for now. 😀


If they increase the number of students, they really don't care about how much tuition they bring in. They look farther ahead-- if you have more people practicing, the "value" of that education goes down, and each individual makes less money. More LA vets means clients can "shop around" more and look for a better price, etc. That's why vet schools have remained so competitive over the years, and why the number of seats available really hasnt changed.
 
If they increase the number of students, they really don't care about how much tuition they bring in. They look farther ahead-- if you have more people practicing, the "value" of that education goes down, and each individual makes less money. More LA vets means clients can "shop around" more and look for a better price, etc. That's why vet schools have remained so competitive over the years, and why the number of seats available really hasnt changed.

Exactly - it's basic supply and demand. But shouldn't they be looking even farther ahead than starting salaries? This is the safety of the food supply we're talking about, the overlap between vet med and human health. That's huge!

I don't know the answer, but it's an interesting problem. Even if they increased their admissions, there's no guarentee they would get any more LA/PH vets than they do now. 😕
 
Even if they increased their admissions, there's no guarentee they would get any more LA/PH vets than they do now. 😕


i'd say the ratio would stay the same...i don't think increasing the number of students per class would make large animal people anymore likely to apply. i don't think the shortage has anything to do with how little are enrolled every year. i think it just has to do with primary interest. not a lot of people want to work in large animal conditions. however i hear small animal people really enjoy the large animal rotations in school. i'm certainly looking forward to those rotations!! wait..i have to get in first. 🙁

and to whoever made the comment about more LA vets = clients opportunity to shop around. that's exactly the situation where i am right now. although LA vets are in high demand across the country, we are really saturated in my area so the summers are kind of tough right now as there are more LA vets than work in our area. this summer was really slow for us and with the class of 2010 graduating in may we are expecting several LA vets graduating in that class to return to our area and work with LA vets they worked for before vet school.


this response turned out way too long. i must be distracting myself from a physics lab report. 😉
 
Why are vet schools still so exclusive, and why are there still so few of them? I'm sure money is a factor, but if you increase your class size, you increase your tuition income. Not to mention the recent government incentives to vet-ed institutions, trying to address the shortages.

Maybe one of my classmates can correct me if I'm wrong...but during one of our orientation days I remember hearing that at OSU, our tuition only pays for 20% of the total costs. So, in that regard, I think it is a little more complicated than just raising tuition.
 
Maybe one of my classmates can correct me if I'm wrong...but during one of our orientation days I remember hearing that at OSU, our tuition only pays for 20% of the total costs. So, in that regard, I think it is a little more complicated than just raising tuition.


that definitely puts things into perspective of the expenses if ohio state's tuition (37k/53k) only accounts for 20%. 😱
 
If you become a veterinarian do you want to own a practice, what type of veterinarian do you want to be?
Do you want to own a house?
Do you want a family?
Do you want to travel?
Do you want to eat healthier/exercise more/learn how to cook?
Do you want to be happy?

How about the simple things in life....

One goal is to find something to laugh about everyday, or make someone smile, try to help another person....

There are TONS of things you can list as goals. Just try to think outside of the box😉
 
Also, sometimes it isn't easy to just increase the class size. Probably not a big deal for lectures, but then you start to max out lab space for anatomy, histo, etc--and building new labs = expensive. Building new vet schools = even more expensive!

There was a huge building boom of vet schools in the late 1970s and early 1980s...not many since then (only Western, actually, if memory serves). Mississippi State has even been talking about shutting down their vet school (not seriously, I don't think, but it has been discussed here). States just aren't seeing the return on their investment (or they don't think they are). Mississippi State's problem, if I'm understanding correctly, is that many of the vets that they educate (and underwrite the education of) leave the state after graduating, so the state doesn't really benefit (in their eyes). The PA legislature cut a huge amount of funding for Penn this year.

If you want to see more vet school seats, you need to find a way to make vets seem more important in the eyes of legislators. Right now, we just aren't a huge priority.
 
that definitely puts things into perspective of the expenses if ohio state's tuition (37k/53k) only accounts for 20%. 😱

Not sure were you found those numbers but in-state tuition is $25,095 and out of state tuition is $58,533 for this year.
 
so am i wrong to write that essay about my goals after becoming a vet? For example if I wanted to do some crazy residencies or specialize in ortho or something is that not a goal after becoming a vet?
 
Not sure were you found those numbers but in-state tuition is $25,095 and out of state tuition is $58,533 for this year.

i was confusing the 37k with another school's instate tuition, and the 53k was what i had thought was the value in the vmsar form last year's tuition but it was 55k. wasn't stating it for accuracy. the point was more of ohio state's expensive oos tuition being above 50k only accounting for 20%, then wow what an expense - kind of observation.
 
so am i wrong to write that essay about my goals after becoming a vet? For example if I wanted to do some crazy residencies or specialize in ortho or something is that not a goal after becoming a vet?

I don't think there's a right and wrong, just answers that interest them more than others (and we can probably only take guesses at what those might be). Write what feels right to YOU!
 
...what I do in my free time - that doesn't really have anything to do with the kind of vet (or vet student) that I am going to be.


I disagree. It has everything to do with the kind of person you are, and the kind of person you are has everything to do with the kind of vet you're going to be. Not so much whether you like knitting vs. reading vs. bike riding. But your goals, interests, aspirations...that's relevant to who you are at your most fundamental. I think it's relevant.
 
I totally agree, for what it's worth (nothing!). I actually do feel like it's important to have something else to you, something else that you're passionate about, that motivates you, that destresses you, something that makes you feel like YOU.

I mean, yeah, I am super driven to advance my education and become a DVM PI, but I also want to snowboard in the Alps, cycle some rough terrain, climb a lot of rocks, learn to play guitar better, deadlift 200 lbs and play hockey until I drop dead on the ice at age 100. Among other things - those are on my shortlist. 😉
 
Also to my understanding there's a lot of burnout in the vet med field, so having external goals may help prevent this in their eyes?
 
To the second person on the thread:
From a guy who was rejected his junior year, and wait listed his senior and grad years, it's probably good to have a Plan B, or at least be flexible. I didn't have one at all. After leaving grad school (needed 8 more credits to graduate with a MS in Reproductive Physiology), I drifted around for a couple years. I worked at Sam's Club making pizzas, worked as a corrections officer, and finally ended up enlisting in the Army as an infantryman. After 5 years, I went to Officer Candidate School and ended up a communications officer, which is where I'm at right now. I have a stable career that pays well. When I left school, I was embittered by the rejections and wanted to have nothing to do with the vet field, even so far as avoiding owning any pets, so I wouldn't have to go to a vet. After 10 years, my baby sister is applying to vet school and my wife is in her first year of a PharmD program. Once again, I'm looking at vet school.
The reason I post this is because at the widest scope, the odds are against any individual getting accepted. Not having a Plan B can be disastrous for someone who fails to attain a goal that they've spent so much time working toward. It's taken me a decade to come back around to realizing that I while I can survive in my current situation, I will never feel like I've fully realized my potential. I wouldn't trade my experiences for anything, but they still didn't get me any closer to my goal. So, have a Plan B - whether it be grad school or getting a job that will allow you to improve your short comings and make you more competitive.
 
To the second person on the thread:
From a guy who was rejected his junior year, and wait listed his senior and grad years, it's probably good to have a Plan B, or at least be flexible. I didn't have one at all. After leaving grad school (needed 8 more credits to graduate with a MS in Reproductive Physiology), I drifted around for a couple years. I worked at Sam's Club making pizzas, worked as a corrections officer, and finally ended up enlisting in the Army as an infantryman. After 5 years, I went to Officer Candidate School and ended up a communications officer, which is where I'm at right now. I have a stable career that pays well. When I left school, I was embittered by the rejections and wanted to have nothing to do with the vet field, even so far as avoiding owning any pets, so I wouldn't have to go to a vet. After 10 years, my baby sister is applying to vet school and my wife is in her first year of a PharmD program. Once again, I'm looking at vet school.
The reason I post this is because at the widest scope, the odds are against any individual getting accepted. Not having a Plan B can be disastrous for someone who fails to attain a goal that they've spent so much time working toward. It's taken me a decade to come back around to realizing that I while I can survive in my current situation, I will never feel like I've fully realized my potential. I wouldn't trade my experiences for anything, but they still didn't get me any closer to my goal. So, have a Plan B - whether it be grad school or getting a job that will allow you to improve your short comings and make you more competitive.

This is my third time applying, and I still haven't come up with a plan B, or anything else that I would rather do with my life. I've been out of school for two years, have a job that I like but it doesnt quite pay the bills, so I know what the odds are. Plan B's are easier said than done when you've never wanted to do anything else. If I don't get accepted this time, I'll have to just keep doing what I've been doing, and try again this next year. That's as close to a plan B as I'll ever get.
 
This is my third time applying, and I still haven't come up with a plan B, or anything else that I would rather do with my life. I've been out of school for two years, have a job that I like but it doesnt quite pay the bills, so I know what the odds are. Plan B's are easier said than done when you've never wanted to do anything else. If I don't get accepted this time, I'll have to just keep doing what I've been doing, and try again this next year. That's as close to a plan B as I'll ever get.

I would come up with some sort of plan B at all my interviews I was asked what if you are told you will never be admitted (ie nothing you can improve it just isn't an option).
 
This is my third time applying, and I still haven't come up with a plan B, or anything else that I would rather do with my life. I've been out of school for two years, have a job that I like but it doesnt quite pay the bills, so I know what the odds are. Plan B's are easier said than done when you've never wanted to do anything else. If I don't get accepted this time, I'll have to just keep doing what I've been doing, and try again this next year. That's as close to a plan B as I'll ever get.
I understand where you're coming from. I was in the same boat - that's why I went to grad school. Eventually, though, my money ran out and I had to get a decent job which has enabled me to regroup. The problem is that since I didn't have a plan, it has taken a decade to get stable to the point where I feel I can undertake the application process as well as survive school financially. It's just my recommendation based on experience. If I had had a solid contingency plan earlier, I might have some letters after my name, as well as in front.
 
I understand where you're coming from. I was in the same boat - that's why I went to grad school. Eventually, though, my money ran out and I had to get a decent job which has enabled me to regroup. The problem is that since I didn't have a plan, it has taken a decade to get stable to the point where I feel I can undertake the application process as well as survive school financially. It's just my recommendation based on experience. If I had had a solid contingency plan earlier, I might have some letters after my name, as well as in front.

I think it's really sound advice.

Plus, not to sound condescending to any of the posters, but when someone who is still in their early 20s says "I've never wanted to do anything else with my life and never will" it just seems like they're just refusing to think. People have 30-40 year careers. During that time, it's not at all uncommon for them to switch to different careers. Did their interests radically change? Maybe, but maybe they also just ran into a field or hobby that they'd never had exposure to that really tickled their fancy.

Since the world is such a huge interesting place, if one says that there is NOTHING other than vet med that interests them, it makes it sound like they haven't experience/seen/thought about other things. (Especially since the OP was talking about other goals and not even other career goals, it seems like it really shouldn't be that hard to come up with some other interest to talk about. It doesn't even have to be incompatible with vet med. For example, one of my husband's biggest life goals is to become financially independent--sometime in the pre-retirement phase of life--such that while he might keep working, he doesn't have to if he'd rather do other things. That's a goal, for sure. And compatible with any career field you want to make it compatible with.)
 
Yah but if you tell them that you'll bail at something you find more interesting they'll think you're uncommitted and don't know what you want.
 
Yah but if you tell them that you'll bail at something you find more interesting they'll think you're uncommitted and don't know what you want.

You don't really have to put it like that. It's different from what the OP is talking about, but as far as having a plan B, you can certainly make it sound like a plan B.

"Well, I would certainly keep trying, but if I was told it wasn't possible for me, my interest in .... would mean that I could be nearly as happy doing ..... "

It is great to be committed, but being realistic and flexible is nearly as important - things don't always go as planned!
 
I wasn't responding to the OP, was responding to the post above mine:

Plus, not to sound condescending to any of the posters, but when someone who is still in their early 20s says "I've never wanted to do anything else with my life and never will" it just seems like they're just refusing to think. People have 30-40 year careers. During that time, it's not at all uncommon for them to switch to different careers. Did their interests radically change? Maybe, but maybe they also just ran into a field or hobby that they'd never had exposure to that really tickled their fancy.



Don't get me wrong, I have a plan B too, but I'd never tell my interviewers that I may just up and switch professions later on down the road. May switch to a different part of the profession, but I doubt I'd get many points for telling them I'd drop the vet med field entirely. They'd go 'well why give it to this guy when we can get someone who's committed?' Especially since there's so few slots already.
 
Don't get me wrong, I have a plan B too, but I'd never tell my interviewers that I may just up and switch professions later on down the road. May switch to a different part of the profession, but I doubt I'd get many points for telling them I'd drop the vet med field entirely. They'd go 'well why give it to this guy when we can get someone who's committed?' Especially since there's so few slots already.

I know what you were responding to, and I am sure that VAgirl does not mean to tell the interviewers that you might change your mind later on. In fact, I don't even see how you got that from what she said. All she seems to be saying is that it isn't really wise to convey inflexibility in your application either. 😕
 
I've already quoted this passage but this is where I got that impression:
Plus, not to sound condescending to any of the posters, but when someone who is still in their early 20s says "I've never wanted to do anything else with my life and never will" it just seems like they're just refusing to think. People have 30-40 year careers. During that time, it's not at all uncommon for them to switch to different careers. Did their interests radically change? Maybe, but maybe they also just ran into a field or hobby that they'd never had exposure to that really tickled their fancy.
I just don't think it's a good idea to tell the adcoms that you're going to change fields later on if you find something you like better. I'd assume they want someone who's dedicated to the profession and not going to flipflop and thus would count points against you in the interview.

I mean sure you'd change if you did find something better, who wouldn't? I think the adcoms already know that, but verbally telling them that would just give them a negative impression I would think.
 
I mean I don't want to speak for her, but I really think you are overextending/misinterpreting what she is saying. I know we're all stressed and at this step of the application process all we are thinking about is what to say in our applications/interviews, but the way I read that is just a "hey, you should really actually think about your options and not sound naive and inflexible," rather than a "tell the adcoms that you could change your mind."

In other words, not saying "I will never change my mind" is not equal to saying "I will change my mind." Those are absolutes, and pretty much when you talk about the future you're better not to speak in them.

edit2: The way you can show you are dedicated is through your past and present experiences, not by projecting the future.
 
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I mean I don't want to speak for her, but I really think you are overextending/misinterpreting what she is saying
That's probable, but to me it looks like she's saying that you should tell them that you realize you might change careers later on. To me that seems like shooting yourself in the foot. I'm sure the adcoms know that you might change careers later on but telling them outright might set a negative...vibe (for lack of better word) in their minds.

I'd assume that they're looking for people dedicated to the profession since there's a shortage of vets already, and so few spots, and telling them that you might change might put the negative thought into their head of 'well this guy said he might change, where as this other guy seems to know what he really wants..."
 
Don't get me wrong, I have a plan B too, but I'd never tell my interviewers that I may just up and switch professions later on down the road. May switch to a different part of the profession, but I doubt I'd get many points for telling them I'd drop the vet med field entirely. They'd go 'well why give it to this guy when we can get someone who's committed?' Especially since there's so few slots already.

Actually, a lot of vets DO change their careers down the line, but still use their DVM. Maybe they find that they are better in politics. Or they can use their DVM as an astronaut or researcher. Or maybe they get trampled and can't do the large animals anymore, so they switch to poultry. Or their mild cat allergy turns into a general cross species dander allergy and they work for a pharm company or as a science writer, etc. Part of acknowledging your other abilities and skills and interests is part of showing that you understand the flexibility of the field and will be able to continue using your degree even if clinical medicine isn't a viable career at some point.

So, having the flexibility and showing that you can and will adjust, even with your degree, is important. It is important that you are a flexible individual. Also, that is where the other goals question comes in; it keeps you balanced. It also means that if you go from being a 4.0 student to a 2.0, you have other things to fall back on that bolster your spirits about your ability and competence. Also, if you have hobbies that you have maintained through college, you can probably balance bad days with healthy habits...which suggests you are less likely to turn to alcohol or other addictive substances.

Also, if your only goal in life is 'be a vet' then you have accomplished your life with the DVM...and you probably neglected a lot of other things that make us healthy, unique individuals like building relationships, working within communities, etc. Maybe your goal is to increase the health and wealth of a community by changing production of poultry in that area. Maybe it is to have a home, or maybe it is to never settle in one place. Perhaps your goal is to travel. All of those will affect how/what/where/when you practice vet med, because the field is diverse, there are places for vets to integrate all of that into practice. Either way, people who know what they want out of life beyond their career are able to take the ups and downs of the career in perspective, whether that career is business, vet med, etc.

As for fixing the shortages, I think someone who is interested in food animal and truely displays that in their vet experience, educational experience, and activities will have an edge. The challenge for a lot of vet schools is that individauls 'say' they are interested, but then have more experience in SA, or lack actual experience in LA. Then it sounds contrived. As for overall shortages, the infracstructure isn't there. How do you add more students to a class when you can't currently sit all the students in the current lecture halls? When all your lecture halls are filled? When your anatomy lab is at such capacity that you can't even fit another stool in? Some campuses are truely at capacity, so responding to need isn't a real option without increaseing infrastructure, which takes funds, which are in short supply during a recession. Many schools have increased their capacities by over 30% in the past 10-15 years. In many cases that means more students with the same square footage, same equipment, same number of instructors. It adds stress to the entire system (equipment will break down faster, crowded conditions mean more accidents, etc.)
 
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I have interests outside of vet med, but I guess I just interpret the question to be "professional" goals or along those lines. Not so much my personal goals like cycling (which I already touched on in my PS). I've also been spending my study breaks with my guitar. I think I just had a momentary freak out in my initial post… I had considered other careers, but this is the only one I ever would pursue… how do I elaborate?

Chris: Thank you! Great advice. I never even thought about the simple goals. But that is humbling and may make the app stand out more. Reminds me of KISS- Keep it simple, stupid. VAgirl and nyanko touched on this as well, "what makes you feel like you".

And to add, yes I am 21 and very inexperienced in the way the world works. The past four years has been a focus on getting accepted to vet school, everything else feels like ancient history. In grade school when we would talk about "jobs" I bounced from veterinarian to architect (parent works in NYC), teacher to (briefly) nurse. My interests (horses) kept leading me back to vet med and here I am now, in the middle of applications. I began working in a barn at 14 and vet hospital when I was 17, I have thousands of hours to the point that it is a life style, as I'm sure others do, and I feel that I haven't been scared away so I am dedicated.

I probably misinterpreted the question as well; I was trying to stick to topics out of vet med and animals completely (other supplemental specified "outside the veterinary/animal world"). So it can be a goal beyond and with the DVM.

So in the mean time, I will detail out my "plan B" and dust off my other hopes and dreams. Not so bad after all.

I want to thank everyone who responded, I have kept up reading this thread but had a "s*** hit the fan" type of week. There was great advice presented here and other good discussions, I sincerely appreciated it.
 
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Don't get me wrong, I have a plan B too, but I'd never tell my interviewers that I may just up and switch professions later on down the road.

Good, because I wasn't suggesting that at all.

I mean I don't want to speak for her, but I really think you are overextending/misinterpreting what she is saying. I know we're all stressed and at this step of the application process all we are thinking about is what to say in our applications/interviews, but the way I read that is just a "hey, you should really actually think about your options and not sound naive and inflexible," rather than a "tell the adcoms that you could change your mind."

Right.

I actually took it this way: telling the adcoms that you've never considered anything else means you currently have little exposure to anything else and therefore can't really know that there's nothing out there that you will decide you like later. By showing that you've explored other options, and have other interests, you let them know that you've been around a bit and know that, in everything you've experienced, vet med is your absolute first choice... if you have outside interests and have gotten your feet wet outside of the veterinary field, and then decide it's the field for you, you actually are making a choice and not just running full speed down the only path you've found).

Perfectly said.

Plus, I would also add that from the adcoms' perspective as people who are probably 20 years to their careers, I just think it would sound naive to have someone as young as all of us saying, "Nope, absolutely never would I ever do anything else regardless of outside circumstances" when asked about what their backup plan was or about what their other goals are. Because adcom members have been around long enough to see many colleagues' lives not go to plan.

I think the upshot of what I'm trying to say is that no one can know what's going to happen in the future. So while you don't want to sound wishywashy, I think it's also foolish to insist that the future will be exactly the way you think it will be, and if it isn't (which it assuredly won't be, whether in big ways or in small ways), your plan is to bash your head into that same wall until you make circumstances fit what you thought they'd look like. To me, that sounds like someone who cannot adapt to what life throws at them, and will instead freak out and run away because they can't handle it.

Whatever, Shanomong and nyanko said it better. 🙂 That's what I meant.
 
Ha, I so totally have goals outside of vet school. Perhaps too many!?

I want to get married, have a family, move abroad again, do a ton more traveling, take an intensive photography course, get into better shape, improve my writing (maybe work on creative writing), and maybe get even another degree...

🙄
 
LOL Shanomong there is a recent Penn grad who works at ACCT and has her own web site of dog clothes - looks like you will have some competition!
 
Hmm, if I recall correctly from my 7th grade home ec class (I made a stuffed golden eagle!) you do that by giving it a pretty slow pace. Every time I tried to shove the cloth through the sewer to speed things up my needles broke. Had to take it slowly to finish the thing.
 
Ha, I so totally have goals outside of vet school. Perhaps too many!?

I want to get married, have a family, move abroad again, do a ton more traveling, take an intensive photography course, get into better shape, improve my writing (maybe work on creative writing), and maybe get even another degree...

🙄

I am happy to report that I am doing one of the things on my (above) list! Due to work stress, a history of neck issues and the desire to do something positive for myself, I joined a gym three weeks ago and am going 3+ times per week. I am taking strength-building classes and I love them... Half of the time I am the only student, so I essentially am getting personal training...

I hope the enthusiasm for fitness that I have right now does not wane because I immediately felt the benefits of building all this lean muscle. It's almost addicting!
 
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