SIX FIGURE JOB WITH NO STUDENT LOANS

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Looks like fast food workers will get paid close to pharm techs. Why even bother with a professional license at this point?
plus there is a huge room for advancement. i know someone who used their education grant for school. got bachelors and became manager. And making close to 6 figures now. And of course they get bonus as well.
Sometimes I wonder, how these schools are able to find students to take this outrageous loans? It takes less than one hour on google to realize that this profession is totally dead. My friend was offered $42.00 @ walgreens for covid vaccine rph. (32 hrs) How can you pay back your loans with that pay check? Some restaurant managers easily make 70k per year with no specialized degree at all.
 
plus there is a huge room for advancement. i know someone who used their education grant for school. got bachelors and became manager. And making close to 6 figures now. And of course they get bonus as well.
Sometimes I wonder, how these schools are able to find students to take this outrageous loans? It takes less than one hour on google to realize that this profession is totally dead. My friend was offered $42.00 @ walgreens for covid vaccine rph. (32 hrs) How can you pay back your loans with that pay check? Some restaurant managers easily make 70k per year with no specialized degree at all.
What makes you think running a restaurant is easier than giving shots or requires less skills and experience?
 

That loyalty is lucrative. An In-N-Out store outsells a typical McDonald’s nearly twice over, bringing in an estimated $4.5 million in gross annual sales versus McDonald’s $2.6 million.

Don't have to deal with as much bureaucratic morass like in pharmacy either.
 
Chipotle, Taco Bell and In-N-Out managers make more than new pharmDs now. When you walk into any of these restaurants, there is an army of employees helping. At that pharmacy you'll see 1 or 2 techs if you're lucky.
Also, no licensing required and learning curve is literally ZERO compared to being a tech. Can literally hire someone off the street and put them to work the same day!
 
What makes you think running a restaurant is easier than giving shots or requires less skills and experience?
1.) learning curve is much steeper for a tech than a restaurant employee (easy to train restaurant employee than a tech)
2.) no licensing requirement means you can literally hire a restaurant employee off the street (help much easier to find)

nobody is saying running a restaurant is easy but unlike pharmacy you're not already being set up to fail
 
My Chipotle has online ordering right now, so there is no customer interaction. They drop off your bags for pickup at the front. You can't just walk in the store and order, you have to do it from your phone.
 
No insurance, no vaccinations, less drive-thru locations!
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So why don’t you guys go apply for the job and let us know?
In a previous career I was a front of house staff in a full service restaurant/hotel. I would say a competent waithelp working a full 40 (rare) would make a better living than most new grad rphs in major metros (student loans). Managing a restaurant is longer hours than rph though. Lots of working over 40 unless you are fully staffed and budgeted (rare).
 
... I bet a lot of front store managers (who get paid less) feel pharmacists are overpaid whiners though. So I don't know how pharmacists can evaluate a different industry so easily.
 
... I bet a lot of front store managers (who get paid less) feel pharmacists are overpaid whiners though. So I don't know how pharmacists can evaluate a different industry so easily.

They’re welcome to take out $200k+ in loans to go to pharmacy school and put their license on the line only to find out that they are not bringing home any more money than before after taxes and student loan payments.
 
They’re welcome to take out $200k+ in loans to go to pharmacy school and put their license on the line only to find out that they are not bringing home any more money than before after taxes and student loan payments.

That wasn't my point. We make it sound like anyone off the street can run another establishment. Maybe when you buy the actual business? Work a few years. Pay off the loans and buy a franchise and avoid the stress of having your license on the line.

I am not doing cost basis analysis, ROI or whatever it is called on various degrees or professional licensing.
 
Looks like fast food workers will get paid close to pharm techs. Why even bother with a professional license at this point?

The real question is, why aren't pharm techs being paid better? We all know they should be getting $25/hour at the minimum, at least in hospital the pharm techs make around that amount depending on location.
 
I know some retail techs who have eclipsed $25/hr. Whether they are 'deserving' of $25/hr is another question.

Retail is generally a low-accountability environment as no one wants to do it
 
What makes you think running a restaurant is easier than giving shots or requires less skills and experience?
I am not saying running a restaurant is easier. But it does not require 6 years of school, loans, licensing exam and CEs to maintain it.
 
I meant Chipotle managers (as referenced by the article)

It looks like most of the Chipotle general managers still make around 70k.

Only "restaurateurs", or Chipotle managers of "A" stores make 6 figures.
Seeing as there's only 200+ restaurateurs, but 2k+ stores, it's probably not an easy thing to achieve.


 
It looks like most of the Chipotle general managers still make around 70k.

Only "restaurateurs", or Chipotle managers of "A" stores make 6 figures.

70k is close to what a newly minted RPh would now make (~$45/hr x 32 hours per week x 52 weeks) ~75k

the title is clickbait I admit but the no student loans thing isn't
 
There have always been millionaires without degrees. What even is this thread? This is nothing new and the grass is always greener on the other side.

Personally I wouldn’t want to manage a fast food restaurant even for six figures but I guess it is good to know it is a backup option.
 
i'm done with my crappy retail pharmacy hours tho. working till 9pm still? NOTHING happens after 7pm. every other weekend? good grief i'll be single forever at this rate. so i wouldn't want to go to another ****ty hours retail position like fast food.
 
i'm done with my crappy retail pharmacy hours tho. working till 9pm still? NOTHING happens after 7pm. every other weekend? good grief i'll be single forever at this rate. so i wouldn't want to go to another ****ty hours retail position like fast food.

Thats the game plan for these companies. Can’t turn down work if you have nothing to go home to. They’ll milk you dry if you let em.
 
i'm done with my crappy retail pharmacy hours tho. working till 9pm still? NOTHING happens after 7pm. every other weekend? good grief i'll be single forever at this rate. so i wouldn't want to go to another ****ty hours retail position like fast food.
retail schedule looks like bankers hours compared to hospital/ltc
 
I am not saying running a restaurant is easier. But it does not require 6 years of school, loans, licensing exam and CEs to maintain it.
It does require , though, creativity, hard work and being able to think outside the box, which many pharmacists are unable to do. Why are we whining about how pharmacy requires schooling etc ? We are the ones who chose to go into the field knowing what it entails and what it requires and somehow that justifies you being better than a restaurant manager/owner?

the fact that restaurant owner/managers can make more money than a PharmD without having to take out $200k in loans, makes me wonder… who’s the smarter one here? So yalll stop taking down on restaurant workers and owners like it’s “not that hard” or “not many requirement to be one”… well ****- you all are the fools. I know friends and family who are millionaires because of their restaurant business, so I think in terms of who’s more skilled or “smart” …. I think are those who manages/owns restaurants.
 
The restaurant "industry" is unforgiving since it's all reliant on bourgeois consumer spending. Unlike pharmacy, which supposedly has a more impervious firewall of onerous regulation and a captive customer base "dependent" on prescription-only drugs to manage what are often self-inflicted chronic disease states
 
This is the thread where I point out that many pharmacists (200+) I know make $225k+ right now without advanced training. They live mostly in PA and NJ, but who's counting? Why aren't YOU making bank as an industry pharmacist with commission? It won't put anyone's life on the line (unless you make a life like some of my colleagues). They called working for Novartis "finishing school" at one point.

Don't take the exceptions and point them out as a "rule." Exceptional workers command exceptional resources. Trust me, it's easier to become an exceptional pharmacist given your backgrounds than going into another industry. Becoming a capitalist (own a franchise) is also easier.

Employment friction and talent are not as easy to overcome as you think, but if you are ambitious enough, you can. I just lost my boss to a 450k consultancy with Booz Allen Hamilton, so you can cash in even in government via the revolving door.
 
My Chipotle has online ordering right now, so there is no customer interaction. They drop off your bags for pickup at the front. You can't just walk in the store and order, you have to do it from your phone.
You can't go in? Weird. You guys must still have a pandemic. Ours is over.
 
You can't go in? Weird. You guys must still have a pandemic. Ours is over.

Nope you can only go in to pickup the food right next to the door. Can't go inside McDonald's either, have to use drive thru or curbside pickup. You can go in Starbucks to order but have to leave right away, no sitting down to drink your coffee.
 
This is the thread where I point out that many pharmacists (200+) I know make $225k+ right now without advanced training. They live mostly in PA and NJ, but who's counting? Why aren't YOU making bank as an industry pharmacist with commission? It won't put anyone's life on the line (unless you make a life like some of my colleagues). They called working for Novartis "finishing school" at one point.

Don't take the exceptions and point them out as a "rule." Exceptional workers command exceptional resources. Trust me, it's easier to become an exceptional pharmacist given your backgrounds than going into another industry. Becoming a capitalist (own a franchise) is also easier.

Employment friction and talent are not as easy to overcome as you think, but if you are ambitious enough, you can. I just lost my boss to a 450k consultancy with Booz Allen Hamilton, so you can cash in even in government via the revolving door.
hows their work-life balance at $225K+?
 
hows their work-life balance at $225K+?
Just fine, it's actually no worse and usually better than both standard chain and hospital. I mean, they traveled more pre-COVID or had more clinic time at crunch, but annoyingly, that's how all my lawyer and PE friends view pharmacy as the only pharmacists they deal with on a personal level are those sorts of pharmacists. The MSL's have a much more glamorous life especially with the social rat race. The job's secondary, scoring on the social register is the main event.
 
Chipotle, Taco Bell and In-N-Out managers make more than new pharmDs now. When you walk into any of these restaurants, there is an army of employees helping. At that pharmacy you'll see 1 or 2 techs if you're lucky.
what bout Chick-fil-A?
 
This is the thread where I point out that many pharmacists (200+) I know make $225k+ right now without advanced training. They live mostly in PA and NJ, but who's counting? Why aren't YOU making bank as an industry pharmacist with commission? It won't put anyone's life on the line (unless you make a life like some of my colleagues). They called working for Novartis "finishing school" at one point.

Don't take the exceptions and point them out as a "rule." Exceptional workers command exceptional resources. Trust me, it's easier to become an exceptional pharmacist given your backgrounds than going into another industry. Becoming a capitalist (own a franchise) is also easier.

Employment friction and talent are not as easy to overcome as you think, but if you are ambitious enough, you can. I just lost my boss to a 450k consultancy with Booz Allen Hamilton, so you can cash in even in government via the revolving door.
What does BAH want with pharmacists? Assuming it's a non-pharmacy position.....
 
Employment friction and talent are not as easy to overcome as you think, but if you are ambitious enough, you can. I just lost my boss to a 450k consultancy with Booz Allen Hamilton, so you can cash in even in government via the revolving door.

Not surprised a high level SES got pulled away for a 450k job. You can never make more than the Vice President as a federal employee.
 
Not surprised a high level SES got pulled away for a 450k job. You can never make more than the Vice President as a federal employee.
That is technically true, but you can, but it's deferred compensation. I'll PM you the details as you'd probably appreciate the nuance.
 
Chipotle, Taco Bell and In-N-Out managers do.

Why did we even go to college?

Because Asian parents live vicariously through the education credentials their kids achieve.

I have a couple of college dropout friends who make $400k doing IT and work from home. The guy has his work stuff one one screen, World of Warcraft going on another screen, and 10 other computers just mining crypto.
 



Don't have to deal with as much bureaucratic morass like in pharmacy either.
You might be surprised.

You're a lot less likely to kill someone with an incorrect order, but some people might act like you will, and as for regional management? You think pharmacy can be vicious? Try the restaurant and hospitality business.

When I lived in my old town, I sometimes attended a meetup with a woman who was an assistant manager at Steak & Shake. She once asked me, "How do you know so much about fast food? I thought you were a pharmacist" and I replied, "I am, but I haven't always been, and the jobs aren't as different as most people might think." No, I never worked at McDonald's (or Steak & Shake, for that matter) but in my past life, I did work at Burger King, Arby's, and Pizza Hut.
 
You might be surprised.

You're a lot less likely to kill someone with an incorrect order, but some people might act like you will, and as for regional management? You think pharmacy can be vicious? Try the restaurant and hospitality business.

When I lived in my old town, I sometimes attended a meetup with a woman who was an assistant manager at Steak & Shake. She once asked me, "How do you know so much about fast food? I thought you were a pharmacist" and I replied, "I am, but I haven't always been, and the jobs aren't as different as most people might think." No, I never worked at McDonald's (or Steak & Shake, for that matter) but in my past life, I did work at Burger King, Arby's, and Pizza Hut.


Are there internal audits about did you circle and initial the quantity received of potatoes or reconcile the amount of potatoes wasted to the individual spud? Did you complete a quality assurance review when you sold the rotisserie chicken cut into pieces versus a whole chicken?
 
I have a couple of college dropout friends who make $400k doing IT and work from home. The guy has his work stuff one one screen, World of Warcraft going on another screen, and 10 other computers just mining crypto.

They also pull all-nighter or work from morning to 12 am once in a while without getting paid extra. Also, Monday- Friday jobs. No such thing as “shifts”.

Grass looks greener etc. No BS, no money.
 
Just fine, it's actually no worse and usually better than both standard chain and hospital. I mean, they traveled more pre-COVID or had more clinic time at crunch, but annoyingly, that's how all my lawyer and PE friends view pharmacy as the only pharmacists they deal with on a personal level are those sorts of pharmacists. The MSL's have a much more glamorous life especially with the social rat race. The job's secondary, scoring on the social register is the main event.
Trying to get an MSL job these day is akin to winning the lottery.
 
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