"sleeper" programs?

[Interferon15]

Hey all,


Can anyone give suggestions for "sleeper" programs? You know, the ones that give great trainingb but are not well known? I have applied to ones that I believe are sleepers, but not sure:

1) Oregon
2) Vermont
3) Methodist in Houston

Any comments and/or suggestions for others would be greatly appreciated.

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[2121115]

Hey all,


Can anyone give suggestions for "sleeper" programs? You know, the ones that give great trainingb but are not well known? I have applied to ones that I believe are sleepers, but not sure:

1) Oregon
2) Vermont
3) Methodist in Houston

Any comments and/or suggestions for others would be greatly appreciated.

This is all just my opinion, but "well known" is all relative. Some programs are well known regionally, but maybe not nationally. Some really strong programs that may not have the "Hopkins ooo-la-la" factor nationally but are very well respected would be Iowa, Utah, Nebraska, and University of Florida.

 

[Patho2009]

Most of the programs in the midwest are very good and "sleeping'" ones..

 

[LADoc00]

Doesnt sleeper imply obscurity-->success?

Do you have some inside info that people at Oregon are working some Nobel-worthy crap in pathology or is this random speculation??

Vermont is an adequate training program. A sleeper? No.

 

[SLUsagar]

Hey all,


Can anyone give suggestions for "sleeper" programs? You know, the ones that give great trainingb but are not well known? I have applied to ones that I believe are sleepers, but not sure:

1) Oregon
2) Vermont
3) Methodist in Houston

Any comments and/or suggestions for others would be greatly appreciated.

not sure about the status of "sleeper", but in my opinion Vermont, Oregon Health Sciences, Univ of Arkansas, Univ of New Mexico are just some of the less "bigname" programs that have excellent training programs (and have some fairly "bigname" attendings to work with). Although Amin has since left Emory, I'm considering add this program to the list in case in the next few years Emory is dropped from the mid/high ranking programs. Another great place to train.

 

[ABC789]

Although Amin has since left Emory, I'm considering add this program to the list in case in the next few years Emory is dropped from the mid/high ranking programs. .

I would add Cedars-Sinai in Los Angeles to your list. Dr. Amin is the chairman. He continues to offer a GU fellowship too.

 

[Interferon15]

well, i guess what i mean by sleeper is programs without the oo-la-la factor that would still produce a competent pathologist for an average american grad like me. thanks for the suggestions. and LA Doc - in regards to Oregon, no i dont have inside info about nobel prize winning crap...i speculated that it might be a sleeper since it's other programs at OHSU are known to be somewhat oo-la-la-ish on the west coast, so i figured that path, in general a less conspicuous field, would be also strong but not well known. So far my interviews are random: UCSF, UIC, and Methodist. Guess it's still early.

 

[LADoc00]

I have never heard the Oregon and Oo-la-la mentioned in the same sentence, ever. There was a resident, I believe from WashU, where her name and Oo-la-la were often used together but I not sure that would help you.

That said Portland would be a fun place to call home for 4 years.

 

[Autopsy Sweet]

I'm a path resident at Methodist in Houston and can tell you that it's a fantastic training program. It's becoming more known every year, but I think it still qualifies as a "sleeper." The faculty that train us every day are known all over the world for their expertise in their respective fields (i.e. Alberto Ayala, Jae Ro, Dina Mody, Philip Cagle, Mary Schwartz, just to name a few). Good luck on your interviews!

 

[NurseGollam]

I've heard nothing but good things about Methodist and I can't wait to interview there.

I also hear great things about Iowa and UVA too.

 

[Gyric]

I'm a path resident at Methodist in Houston and can tell you that it's a fantastic training program. It's becoming more known every year, but I think it still qualifies as a "sleeper." The faculty that train us every day are known all over the world for their expertise in their respective fields (i.e. Alberto Ayala, Jae Ro, Dina Mody, Philip Cagle, Mary Schwartz, just to name a few). Good luck on your interviews!

I know Cagle (pulm), but who are the others?

 

[TinyFish]

Pittsburgh! <3

 

[Mr. Plow]

I'm the current chief resident at OHSU. I'd be happy to discuss this "sleeper" program privately, if interested.

 

[drjuice]

I take the definition of "sleeper" programs to mean programs that aren't rattled off your tongue when you think of Pathology programs, but are great programs.

by "great programs" I mean those that have very well known faculty and a great environment.

I just interviewed at MCW and loved it. They have Suster, Kroft, Cochran is coming from Rush, Komorowski, Wakely(who is leaving, a great cyto guy).

Also, they have one Dermpath guy and are hiring another one, so there should be a fellowship there soon. Hemepath is expanding to 2 spots. They have a Surgpath GI fellowship. Cytology fellowship. Blood bank fellowship and i think a molecular spot is in the works as well.

 

[pathknut]

The University of Rochester has a great Pathology residency program with accredited fellowships in Hematopathology and Cytopathology. Large city offerings, reasonably priced and a resident really can afford to buy a house! Numerous research opportunities. The hemepath unit is quite strong.

 

[Autopsy Sweet]

I know Cagle (pulm), but who are the others?

Sorry for the long delay in replying. This isn't going to do each of them justice since I can't possibly remember everything they've done, but they're each fantastic and I'm honored to be able to work with them. So, here goes:

Alberto Ayala – Bone and soft tissue, prostate; 33 years at MD Anderson, Professor Emeritus from MDA
Jae Ro – GU and pulmonary; 18 years at MDA, professor at both TMH and in Seoul, Korea
Dina Mody – cytology; former VP and Pres of ASCP; former Pres of American Society of Cytopathology; former chair of cytopath resource committee for CAP; received Lansky award of CAP, etc.
Mary Schwartz – GI, head and neck , breast, derm, cytology; recipient of CAP spotlight award '09; CAP Resource committee; associate editor of Archives of Pathology and Lab Medicine; former chair of numerous committees of ASC

A quick google search will show more than what I currently remember.

Good luck with the interviews!!

 

[Sean2tall]

I guess I would say that the Indiana program may fit the definition of a sleeper.

-Broad spectrum of surgical cases including abundant pancreatic surgery, transplant and (of course) urology, plus the usual GI, breast, GYN etc.
-Prominent genitourinary pathology including Drs. Thomas Ulbright, John Eble, Liang Cheng, and David Grignon.
-Nice working environment.
-Several fellowship options.

And it meets the criteria for "under the radar" as apparently none of the people in the 2009 applicants thread have even mentioned it.
👍

 

[scurred]

many people might be biased towards indiana...and might wait till after residency before they have to go there

 

[rpkall]

The University of Rochester has a great Pathology residency program with accredited fellowships in Hematopathology and Cytopathology. Large city offerings, reasonably priced and a resident really can afford to buy a house! Numerous research opportunities. The hemepath unit is quite strong.

Do you know anything about the other path programs on I-90? SUNY Upstate, Albany, Buffalo?

Just curious!

 

[APCPTMBB]

Albany is a great program... I am finishing up this year and feel like I've gotten an excellent exposure to all kinds of cases, clinical and surgical. There is a nice hemepath fellowship here as well, but I will be doing BB/TM at Yale. The three other residents in my year also secured nice fellowships including surgpath at Memorial Sloan Kettering and MD Anderson.
The attendings are very teaching oriented and very well trained. We have a PA who is an excellent resource and a big help with grossing of more routine specimens.
Albany is a nice place to live if you can handle some snow and cold in the winter. I guess you could call us a "sleeper" program. Definately not a big name place, but I feel very well prepared and have actually enjoyed my residency training.

 

[TypicalTuesday]

When I was interviewing, I heard Iowa described as "the Stanford of the midwest...everyone would rank it 1st if it weren't in Iowa".
I really liked the program, but alas, my wife and I drove through once and she was not impressed, so it was dropped on my rank list. I guess the blazing lights of Iowa City are not for everyone, though the program itself seemed great and the residents seemed happy.

I heard the same about Utah, but when interviewing there, got the feeling that residents were NOT happy and that they had problems with multiple attendings.

MCW also seemed to be a great program with happy residents. Based on what I was told from the residents and from what I saw, the attendings all seemed really supportive of the residents. Being only 1 1/2 hours away from Chicago, I'm not sure why it's not more prominent/popular.

 

[Pianoboe01]

many people might be biased towards indiana...and might wait till after residency before they have to go there

???

 

[Morichka]

Hey all,


Can anyone give suggestions for "sleeper" programs? You know, the ones that give great trainingb but are not well known? I have applied to ones that I believe are sleepers, but not sure:

1) Oregon
2) Vermont
3) Methodist in Houston

Any comments and/or suggestions for others would be greatly appreciated.

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Will second (or third) the Houston Methodist Hospital program. Easily in the top 15 of US pathology residency programs. Residents generally have their pick of competitive fellowships. MD Anderson knows the reputation and will preferentially take Methodist residents for fellowship because they become used to high volume work. In addition to the faculty named above, we are the only program in town that has working relationships with all of the other institutions, meaning we can set up rotations without much difficulty. For those interested in dermpath, we do a month with Dr. Rapini at UT (and can do another month with Dr. Diwan at Baylor). Also, we are required to do a month of pediatric path with Dr. Tatevian, a month of pediatric coag at Texas Children's Hospital, and 2-3 months of surgical pathology subspecialty at MD Anderson. We also do a month at the Harris County Medical Examiner, where they complete about 5,000 autopsies per year.

It being the number 1 hospital in TX (and the geographical center of the 100,000-employee Texas Medical Center) helps with the complexity of cases, and they just built a brand new 1mil sqft, 21-story tower next door which will house surgical pathology beginning spring 2018. The microbiology lab (55 medical technologists and run over 50k tests per month) will be one of the first to bring on a fully-automated microbiology culture system (2018-2019). All faculty are supportive and ultra-smart, and Methodist has the resources to support any research you're interested in, not to mention lunch being provided every day of residency.

Can't go wrong doing residency in a massive city, with citywide Heme, citywide Derm, citywide Surg Path, and other citywide conferences, world renowned pathologists in house or just across the street, excellent cost of living, and fairly nice weather year round.

 

[LADoc00]

This is a legendary necro thread. I will say even though it is nearly 9 years old, my SDN persona is remarkably consistent. I will also add I literally spit my coffee out at reading "Iowa is the Stanford of the Midwest" as that is about as random and nonsensical as you can get.

Stanford isnt some educational ideal everyone should strive for. I spent years there. It has its set of problems just like everywhere else. And to be honest most of the brighter stars have long since left. Plus apparently some group of mad idiots are actually putting together a legal framework there at Stanford for all California to leave the U.S. behind, at which time I will be unfortunately forced to burn it all to the ground. "Secess will be stamped from the Earth" ~First American Civil War.

 

[y2k_free_radical]

This is a legendary necro thread. I will say even though it is nearly 9 years old, my SDN persona is remarkably consistent. I will also add I literally spit my coffee out at reading "Iowa is the Stanford of the Midwest" as that is about as random and nonsensical as you can get.

Stanford isnt some educational ideal everyone should strive for. I spent years there. It has its set of problems just like everywhere else. And to be honest most of the brighter stars have long since left. Plus apparently some group of mad idiots are actually putting together a legal framework there at Stanford for all California to leave the U.S. behind, at which time I will be unfortunately forced to burn it all to the ground. "Secess will be stamped from the Earth" ~First American Civil War.

I was there around the era of "flower children" in SAN FRANCISCO and marches on ROTC buildings at BERKELEY----1969-1973.What about BC as a sleeper ?????????????????