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[ChemEngMD]

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Not at all. Weed is less processed than cigarette tobacco and contains more carcinogens and tar producing compounds. It is much worse for your lungs, not to mention it turns you into a looser if you stay on it long enough. I do agree it's probably less dangerous than alcohol.

Nobody wants to be a looser ...gots to keep it tight

 

[Ja3ger]

Not at all. Weed is less processed than cigarette tobacco and contains more carcinogens and tar producing compounds. It is much worse for your lungs, not to mention it turns you into a looser if you stay on it long enough. I do agree it's probably less dangerous than alcohol.

Source?

Too lazy to google, but I always thought that weed was much safer than cigs, especially if you used a vaporizer.

 

[clothcut]

Not at all. Weed is less processed than cigarette tobacco and contains more carcinogens and tar producing compounds. It is much worse for your lungs, not to mention it turns you into a looser if you stay on it long enough. I do agree it's probably less dangerous than alcohol.

 

[Aerus]

Not at all. Weed is less processed than cigarette tobacco and contains more carcinogens and tar producing compounds. It is much worse for your lungs, not to mention it turns you into a looser if you stay on it long enough. I do agree it's probably less dangerous than alcohol.

Uh.....

 

[mcloaf]

Not at all. Weed is less processed than cigarette tobacco and contains more carcinogens and tar producing compounds. It is much worse for your lungs, not to mention it turns you into a looser if you stay on it long enough. I do agree it's probably less dangerous than alcohol.

Science.

 

[yehhhboiii]

Not at all. Weed is less processed than cigarette tobacco and contains more carcinogens and tar producing compounds. It is much worse for your lungs, not to mention it turns you into a looser if you stay on it long enough. I do agree it's probably less dangerous than alcohol.

excellent analysis you must be a weedologist

 

[AdrianVeidt]

I believe this was what you were referencing.

Conclusion A substantial progressive decrease in the mortality rates among non-smokers over the past half century (due to prevention and improved treatment of disease) has been wholly outweighed, among cigarette smokers, by a progressive increase in the smoker ν non-smoker death rate ratio due to earlier and more intensive use of cigarettes. Among the men born around 1920, prolonged cigarette smoking from early adult life tripled age specific mortality rates, but cessation at age 50 halved the hazard, and cessation at age 30 avoided almost all of it.

Doll R ,Peto R ,Boreham J ,Sutherland I. Mortality in relation to smoking: 50 years' observations on male British doctors. BMJ 2004;328:1519. http://http://www.bmj.com/content/328/7455/1519?tab=citation

SN: This is NOT an endorsement to smoke cigarettes until age 30. Clearly, there are many diseases that smoking is a risk factor for. Just wanted to clarify that AdrianVeidt isn't just pulling epidemiology out of his arse.

There we go. Thx broseph

Not at all. Weed is less processed than cigarette tobacco and contains more carcinogens and tar producing compounds. It is much worse for your lungs, not to mention it turns you into a looser if you stay on it long enough. I do agree it's probably less dangerous than alcohol.

lmaoooooooooo, I give up

 

[deleted407021]

I got a similar reaction during a discussion in a psych class. Google Scholar is giving me trouble finding free papers but here is some information from a NEJM article:

We conclude that smoking marijuana, regardless of tetrahydrocannabinol content, results in a substantially greater respiratory burden of carbon monoxide and tar than smoking a similar quantity of tobacco. (N Engl J Med 1988;318:347–51.)
Pulmonary Hazards of Smoking Marijuana as Compared with Tobacco
Tzu-Chin WU, M.D., Donald P. Tashkin, M.D., Behnam Djahed, M.D., and Jed E. Rose, Ph.D.
N Engl J Med 1988; 318:347-351February 11, 1988DOI: 10.1056/NEJM198802113180603

http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM198802113180603

I apologize for the use of the term "looser". It is not very precise and carries a certain air of an emotional reasoning fallacy. Now, on the cognitive effects of weed use:

In conclusion, high-potency marijuana was shown to consistently impair executive function as assessed in the Tower of London task. Motor control was likewise impaired as indicated by a decrement in tracking performance in the Critical tracking task and a decrease in motor impulse control during Stop signal task performance...
Neuropsychopharmacology (2006) 31, 2296–2303. doi:10.1038/sj.npp.1301068; published online 29 March 2006

Clinical Research

High-Potency Marijuana Impairs Executive Function and Inhibitory Motor Control

Johannes G Ramaekers1, Gerhold Kauert2, Peter van Ruitenbeek1, Eef L Theunissen1, Erhard Schneider3 and Manfred R Moeller4

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v31/n10/full/1301068a.html


Please, lend me your support for smoking weed.

 

[mcloaf]

I have no beef with your contention about tar content etc. Generally I think it's safe to assume that smoking anything will have negative consequences.

Your support for "weed turns you into a loser" is a paper that shows people perform worse on function tests while high on high potency marijuana. You needed a research study for that?

The area people are interested in is how ongoing, semi-regular (?) use can affect cognitive function. There's the one paper published (last year I think? from NZ?) about negative IQ changes in people who were marijuana addicted from adolescence to adulthood (age 35 IIRC). That's about as extreme as it gets though. I haven't seen much in the way of evidence as far as occasional recreational use, and this is the grey area where I think everybody would like to learn more.


Also, nobody is here to convince anybody that they should smoke weed. The point is more about how much bull**** misinformation there is concerning negative consequences. Are there none? Of course not. Have they been likely overstated without much evidence in order to scare people away? Probably.

 

[darknight]

If you want to smoke, smoke then. I suppose you know the health consequences. So, **** opinions.

Motorcycles are way more dangerous and I still love them. What is the point of living 10 or 15 years more without having fun or doing what you like?

 

[Ja3ger]

If you want to smoke, smoke then. I suppose you know the health consequences. So, **** opinions.

Motorcycles are way more dangerous and I still love them. What is the point of living 10 or 15 years more without having fun or doing what you like?

It's a tradeoff. Obviously it's not worth living a longer life with "no" fun; however, even without motorcycles (or the equivalent), people can usually have enough fun to justify the extra decade or two so they can do other things (e.g. watch grandchildren grow up).

 

[Trogghunter]

More people die from cigarette smoking than motorcycles/year. Maybe if we equalized the number of bikers to smokers and how many times you biked/smoked per day..... But the 'deadlier than' doesn't hold up here

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[deleted407021]

@mcloaf Yes. There are obviously a lot of misconceptions about Cannabis consumption, thanks to characteristically non-supported propaganda. Also, marijuana is not addictive but it can be habit forming. A comfort behavior. Marijuana potency has increased between 2-7% since the 1970s and access to specially bred strains is more widely available. With the new state laws in place, studies of recreational use will probably be more common. It will be interesting to see what they find.

 

[BlueLabel]

@mcloaf Yes. There are obviously a lot of misconceptions about Cannabis consumption, thanks to characteristically non-supported propaganda. Also, marijuana is not addictive but it can be habit forming. A comfort behavior. Marijuana potency has increased between 2-7% since the 1970s and access to specially bred strains is more widely available. With the new state laws in place, studies of recreational use will probably be more common. It will be interesting to see what they find.

Yes but what part of your body does it make looser?

 

[ChemEngMD]

Yes but what part of your body does it make looser?

We must know!!!!

 

[ES2]

Yes, cognitive function is impaired while under the influence: that's the point.

What if we had the technology to extract the thing that impairs us so that there's no health-implications from smoking? Oh wait...we already have this? And this ****'s still illegal?

 

[HopefulReapp]

I got a similar reaction during a discussion in a psych class. Google Scholar is giving me trouble finding free papers but here is some information from a NEJM article:

We conclude that smoking marijuana, regardless of tetrahydrocannabinol content, results in a substantially greater respiratory burden of carbon monoxide and tar than smoking a similar quantity of tobacco. (N Engl J Med 1988;318:347–51.)
Pulmonary Hazards of Smoking Marijuana as Compared with Tobacco
Tzu-Chin WU, M.D., Donald P. Tashkin, M.D., Behnam Djahed, M.D., and Jed E. Rose, Ph.D.
N Engl J Med 1988; 318:347-351February 11, 1988DOI: 10.1056/NEJM198802113180603

http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM198802113180603

I apologize for the use of the term "looser". It is not very precise and carries a certain air of an emotional reasoning fallacy. Now, on the cognitive effects of weed use:

In conclusion, high-potency marijuana was shown to consistently impair executive function as assessed in the Tower of London task. Motor control was likewise impaired as indicated by a decrement in tracking performance in the Critical tracking task and a decrease in motor impulse control during Stop signal task performance...
Neuropsychopharmacology (2006) 31, 2296–2303. doi:10.1038/sj.npp.1301068; published online 29 March 2006

Clinical Research

High-Potency Marijuana Impairs Executive Function and Inhibitory Motor Control

Johannes G Ramaekers1, Gerhold Kauert2, Peter van Ruitenbeek1, Eef L Theunissen1, Erhard Schneider3 and Manfred R Moeller4

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v31/n10/full/1301068a.html


Please, lend me your support for smoking weed.

Marijuana is the only medication that will stop my friend's terrible abdominal pain from Crohn's Disease and allows him to eat. Are you suggesting that a narcotic should be indicated over MJ?

 

[LuciusVorenus]

Marijuana is the only medication that will stop my friend's terrible abdominal pain from Crohn's Disease and allows him to eat. Are you suggesting that a narcotic should be indicated over MJ?

I don't think many people would argue against prescribing medicinal marijuana over narcotics for something like chronic pain management.

 

[Pennypacker MD]

So how many people smoke on a regular basis? I just picked it up traveling to different countries.

You traveled to another country and the only thing you picked up was cigarette smoking lol That was day one on the French Riveria for me. By the time I was to Italy I had already picked up three other vices.

 

[deleted407021]

Marijuana is the only medication that will stop my friend's terrible abdominal pain from Crohn's Disease and allows him to eat. Are you suggesting that a narcotic should be indicated over MJ?

I agree with LuciusVorenus, but this isn't a discussion on the efficacy of medical marijuana.

 

[HopefulReapp]

I agree with LuciusVorenus, but this isn't a discussion on the efficacy of medical marijuana.

I guess it was in response to your post about MJ turning a patient into a "loser" when consumed over a long period of time.

There is a lot of misinformation out there about the therapeutic effects, although the same is also true for its negative effects on the lungs if we are not taking into consideration edibles. In the end there has to be some balancing act between the two.

I don't think that anyone would deny that there is widespread recreational use of the drug, but I think if you look back into any time in history you will see efforts of humankind to try to escape their situations by altering their mind.

As physicians our top priority should be our patient's well-being. This beneficence is difficult to maintain when there is legislation preventing, in some situations, a perfectly good therapeutic option from being prescribed. The only course of action is to give treatments that are in line with the law, while advocating for a change in it for the better of our patients.

 

[Iatro]

You traveled to another country and the only thing you picked up was cigarette smoking lol That was day one on the French Riveria for me. By the time I was to Italy I had already picked up three other vices.

Haha badass bro. Sounds like you had a pretty good time 😛 But I picked it up in a part of the world where cigs are only 2-3 bucks a pack lol

Anyhow, I was just wondering how many people on sdn actually smoked a little something. We all know being a premed can be stressful and well sex to relieve stress? I mean...if you are going to go down that route, why not say just pleasuring yourself 😛 Pretty sure even if you have a girlfriend you won't have as easy as access to sex as you would a cigarette in your pocket xP

And for all the people who smoke weed, I feel cigarettes kind of do the same thing for a person - relieve stress, slow down the brain, chill out. I prefer cigarettes cause it is not as much a huge ritual, easy access, and it is legal 🙂

 

[mcloaf]

Haha badass bro. Sounds like you had a pretty good time 😛 But I picked it up in a part of the world where cigs are only 2-3 bucks a pack lol

Anyhow, I was just wondering how many people on sdn actually smoked a little something. We all know being a premed can be stressful and well sex to relieve stress? I mean...if you are going to go down that route, why not say just pleasuring yourself 😛 Pretty sure even if you have a girlfriend you won't have as easy as access to sex as you would a cigarette in your pocket xP

And for all the people who smoke weed, I feel cigarettes kind of do the same thing for a person - relieve stress, slow down the brain, chill out. I prefer cigarettes cause it is not as much a huge ritual, easy access, and it is legal 🙂

Move to WA or CO.