So Bernie wants to increase midlevels AND increase their practice rights

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2) Increase the number of nurses, nurse practitioners, and physician assistants and allow them to practice at the top of their license in order to increase the number of practitioners of color to provide culturally competent care in the communities they serve.


Curious on how many people will jump off the Bernie ship vs embrace Bernie and back up midlevels. In other words, how many will sacrifice all of their hard work just to embrace idealogy.

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2) Increase the number of nurses, nurse practitioners, and physician assistants and allow them to practice at the top of their license in order to increase the number of practitioners of color to provide culturally competent care in the communities they serve.


Curious on how many people will jump off the Bernie ship vs embrace Bernie and back up midlevels.

Comrade Sanders can lead the way by having a NP for his PCP, a NP for his heart issues, and a NP for his erectile dysfunction thing for once.

Set an example...
 
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2) Increase the number of nurses, nurse practitioners, and physician assistants and allow them to practice at the top of their license in order to increase the number of practitioners of color to provide culturally competent care in the communities they serve.


Curious on how many people will jump off the Bernie ship vs embrace Bernie and back up midlevels. In other words, how many will sacrifice all of their hard work just to embrace idealogy.
Trump supports the same thing. Even supported to pay midlivels the same in terms of Medicare reimbursement.
 
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Trump supports the same thing. Even supported to pay midlivels the same in terms of Medicare reimbursement.
Who said Trump is good?? We're in the Primaries. Literally anyone is better than Bernie. But Pete is easily most pro-physician and Bloomberg or Biden would be reasonable choices as well.

As for Trump vs Bernie. Yes Trump is bad for wanting to pay them the same in that sense. However, Bernie goes many steps further by wanting to increase midlevel proliferation and replace doctors with midlevels. He would also advocate for equal pay. AND, Bernie would actually take a chunk of your pay check. Trump would not.
 
Who said Trump is good?? We're in the Primaries. Literally anyone is better than Bernie. But Pete is easily most pro-physician and Bloomberg or Biden would be reasonable choices as well.

As for Trump vs Bernie. Yes Trump is bad for wanting to pay them the same in that sense. However, Bernie goes many steps further by wanting to increase midlevel proliferation and replace doctors with midlevels. He would also advocate for equal pay. AND, Bernie would actually take a chunk of your pay check. Trump would not.
 
Such a bizarre statement. The demographics of APRNs is 85% white, 4% Latino, and 6% black, how exactly will this provide “culturally competent care”?

 
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I think you missed the part about still being in the Primaries.
The point is that if both the incumbent and his potential challenger have the same exact take on an issue. The issue really becomes null , considering a vote for either would not change that.

Plus tell me anyone in the primary who is against Midlevel expansion.
 
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The movement in this direction goes beyond M4A and is more so about the milieu than a single piece of legislation.

I’m actively in favor of and canvass for Sanders with M4A as my prime talking point, just to be clear.
 
The point is that if both the incumbent and his potential challenger have the same exact take on an issue. The issue really becomes null , considering a vote for either would not change that.
Except one side also wants to cut your income and up your taxes.

The movement in this direction goes beyond M4A and is more so about the milieu than a single piece of legislation.

I’m actively in favor of and canvass for Sanders with M4A as my prime talking point, just to be clear.
Whatever makes you feel good about your choices.
 
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Except one side also wants to cut your income and up your taxes.


Whatever makes you feel good about your choices.
Yeah ,look at the income tax rates it wont make a huge difference for a majority of physicians.
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Most Docs make less than 411 K.

Stop being delusional that trump isnt going to gut medicare reimbursement, and the first thing he is going to cut is physican reimbursement.
 
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Yeah ,look at the income tax rates it wont make a huge difference for a majority of physicians.
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Most Docs make less than 411 K.

Stop being delusional that trump isnt going to gut medicare reimbursement, and the first thing he is going to cut is physican reimbursement.
BErnie can screw himself, more taxes?

Nope
 
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The movement in this direction goes beyond M4A and is more so about the milieu than a single piece of legislation.

I’m actively in favor of and canvass for Sanders with M4A as my prime talking point, just to be clear.
Keep connecting sanders with m4a to more people if you don’t want him elected
 
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Increase practice rights for MLPs must come with their own sole liability as well!
Good luck finding a ton of docs to “help” on tough cases etc.

I think their expansion is not as big a deal as M4A, so long as they are left to fend for themselves clinically.
Good ones will do fine. Bad ones not so much.
People will get what they asked for, they can reap the consequences.




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Yeah ,look at the income tax rates it wont make a huge difference for a majority of physicians.
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Most Docs make less than 411 K.

Stop being delusional that trump isnt going to gut medicare reimbursement, and the first thing he is going to cut is physican reimbursement.

Yeah my wife and my taxes would go up by $50,000 per year. And that's just what he's telling you. He left out the other 50% of taxes he needs to pay for his ridiculous plans ... Expect it to be worse if he actually gets his way
 
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So one of the nurses is doing an online NP degree. It requires 400 hours of clinical work.

Four hundred hours.

FOUR HUNDRED HOURS.



That's like 6 weeks on the wards. In just my internal medicine clerkship I did more hours.

Forget all the other clerkships, fourth year, all of internship, residency, fellowship, superfellowship. Yup it's a great idea.

Feel the Bern (destroy our healthcare system)
 
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Yeah my wife and my taxes would go up by $50,000 per year. And that's just what he's telling you. He left out the other 50% of taxes he needs to pay for his ridiculous plans ... Expect it to be worse if he actually gets his way
Idealogy is like any other delusional belief. It's tied to your emotions and it bypasses logic and rational thought.

Anyway, Bernie is very pro midlevel AND he will take away brutally hard earned money. It's insulting that any doctor would vote for someone who is so intensely against success.
On the other hand, we can put up another democrat who isn't so pro midlevel and isn't going to take everyone's money (by far the best option). And yes, if it comes down to it - I would vote for Trump over Bernie.

So one of the nurses is doing an online NP degree. It requires 400 hours of clinical work.

Four hundred hours.

FOUR HUNDRED HOURS.



That's like 6 weeks on the wards. In just my internal medicine clerkship I did more hours.

Forget all the other clerkships, fourth year, all of internship, residency, fellowship, superfellowship. Yup it's a great idea.

Feel the Bern (destroy our healthcare system)

Bernie's idealogy is about making everyone equal so that people who didn't make it that far in life can be on equal ground as those who did. He isn't just after billionaires, he's after anyone who is in any way above average.
Also, of course he would be super pro midlevel. It's literally about making the NP equal to you because the NP is mad their income and status isn't the same. His mindset applies to everyone. The worker with no education should be equal to the entrepreneur who took all the risk. That's literally what he believes. You don't work for yourself, you work for everyone. And you "earn" just what you "need" and not what you deserve or want.
 
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Just a year ago I never would have ever uttered the words “I think i’d rather keep Trump in the White House” and I’m predominantly fiscally liberal... He may have made us an embarrassment on the world stage, but at least he’s managed to keep everything functioning. You look anywhere and you won’t see any sort of logical discussion about why physicians earn what they do or the time and effort sacrificed. They see physicians as the face of a broken system...as if we’re the ones that broke it and deserve to pay. The amount of times I’ve seen comments say that being a physician should be a “calling” and the money “shouldn’t matter” actually makes me nauseous.
 
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Yeah my wife and my taxes would go up by $50,000 per year. And that's just what he's telling you. He left out the other 50% of taxes he needs to pay for his ridiculous plans ... Expect it to be worse if he actually gets his way
That chart I assume is for single payors, Unless you are your wife are making 20 Mill plus i would be surprised your taxes would go up that high. But feel free to pick the other guy who wants parity in medicare reimbursement for midlevels as well, and wants to decrease residency funding as well as cut reimbursement on top.
 
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That chart I assume is for single payors, Unless you are your wife are making 20 Mill plus i would be surprised your taxes would go up that high. But feel free to pick the other guy who wants parity in medicare reimbursement for midlevels as well, and wants to decrease residency funding as well as cut reimbursement on top.
Or pick another Democrat who doesn't want any of that :) And isn't a socialist lunatic.
 
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That chart I assume is for single payors, Unless you are your wife are making 20 Mill plus i would be surprised your taxes would go up that high. But feel free to pick the other guy who wants parity in medicare reimbursement for midlevels as well, and wants to decrease residency funding as well as cut reimbursement on top.

read the chart carefully. Taxes go up from 33 to 37 percent- 4% on a large proportion of physician-level earnings (250-464k). And don’t forget there will definitely be more taxes, as that chart pays for far less than 50% of his proposals.
 
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read the chart carefully. Taxes go up from 33 to 37 percent- 4% on a large proportion of physician-level earnings (250-464k). And don’t forget there will definitely be more taxes, as that chart pays for far less than 50% of his proposals.
those charts are for single filers.
 
this assumes that another democrat is capable of winning in the general.
With Bernie you get a national debate on socialism. Not going to win that. And frankly, it's shameful and laughable you're advocating for throwing all of our hard work in the trash.

Biden can win in MI, PA, WI, Ohio. Slam dunk.
 
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With Bernie you get a national debate on socialism. Not going to win that. And frankly, it's shameful and laughable you're advocating for throwing all of our hard work in the trash.

Biden can win in MI, PA, WI, Ohio. Slam dunk.
lol. Ok , then you should be happier that bernie will lose the general election. Everyone and their uncle is complaining about the cost of our healthcare system. The system is broken and people are fed up. Something will give at some point.
Biden is for a public option. You think insurance companies will be able to compete with a public option?
Its shameful and laughable that you are completely content with the current healthcare system and the outcomes it has for our patients.
 
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Just a year ago I never would have ever uttered the words “I think i’d rather keep Trump in the White House” and I’m predominantly fiscally liberal... He may have made us an embarrassment on the world stage, but at least he’s managed to keep everything functioning. You look anywhere and you won’t see any sort of logical discussion about why physicians earn what they do or the time and effort sacrificed. They see physicians as the face of a broken system...as if we’re the ones that broke it and deserve to pay. The amount of times I’ve seen comments say that being a physician should be a “calling” and the money “shouldn’t matter” actually makes me nauseous.
Dont forget the narrative that teachers should be paid the same as physicians.
 
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If I put on my greedy physician hat, I cannot support Bernie because he wants to increase my taxes while cutting my pay. If I put on my benevolent physician hat, I cannot support Bernie because he has suckered everyone into thinking that "more insurance" is equivalent to "better care."
 
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With Bernie you get a national debate on socialism. Not going to win that. And frankly, it's shameful and laughable you're advocating for throwing all of our hard work in the trash.

Biden can win in MI, PA, WI, Ohio. Slam dunk.
You know the "red scare" mentality doesn't appear much on the growing voter block, the Millennials and so forth?

Highly doubt Biden can win those states you've mentioned. He's basically running a campaign similar to Hillary's 2016. Very neoliberal-centrist and uninspiring. Which that 1990's ideology doesn't win in today's world.
 
I guess the election will tell. But until then, please tell as many people as you can
You sure about that? Just the idea of universal healthcare system really excite the general population than voting for an Ayn Rand world.
 
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You know the "red scare" mentality doesn't appear much on the growing voter block, the Millennials and so forth?

Highly doubt Biden can win those states you've mentioned. He's basically running a campaign similar to Hillary's 2016. Very neoliberal-centrist and uninspiring. Which that 1990's ideology doesn't win in today's world.
That voter block has grown, but it still has abysmal turnout.
 
Universal health care made by PAs and NPs doesn’t do a whole lot.
 
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I am not taking a side on this, I just want to point some things out:

A) Just to be clear, Bernie's #1 point, before you jump to #2, was to also increase the amount of Doctors: Quote from this site:
1) Significantly expand the National Health Service Corps, Community Health Centers, and Teaching Health Centers to bring more doctors and nurses of color to underserved areas.

2) Increase the number of nurses, nurse practitioners, and physician assistants and allow them to practice at the top of their license in order to increase the number of practitioners of color to provide culturally competent care in the communities they serve.

3) Cancel student debt, which will disproportionately help black doctors and nurses.



B. Furthermore, it looks like he's also planning on eliminating all student debt, in one swoop, so I suppose if he actually does go ahead with M4A, the only saving grace will be my 400k of student loans would be wiped clean.

C. My friend is a PA and is actually against Bernie because her salary would also take a hit. Not all midlevels want Bernie.

D. I really don't get Point #2, it seems like two separate disjointed issues combined into a bad sentence.

E. I don't see how he can possibly plan to actually increase the # of NPs and PAs, there's already a ton of schools and many more opening up, with or without his "support" - I think the #1 thing he's trying to say is basically: By cancelling student debt and removing the burden of cost of tuition, more minorities will be able to enter MD/DO/NP/PA/RN school and motivate people to practice in less-wealthy areas.
 
We desperately need is healthcare liberalization, where we open the industry to competition, so *****s in government like Bernie can't dictate division of labor and create a centrally planned nightmare like we have.
 
We desperately need is healthcare liberalization, where we open the industry to competition, so *****s in government like Bernie can't dictate division of labor and create a centrally planned nightmare like we have.

We need a combination of expanded Medicare/Medicaid and private insurers
 
Comrade Sanders can lead the way by having a NP for his PCP, a NP for his heart issues, and a NP for his erectile dysfunction thing for once.

Set an example...
The White house medical officer on site 24/7/365 by the president's side has been a PA for may years.. You may recall when VP Cheney shot his hunting buddy that the medical officer on site who saved the guy's life was the VPs PA.

A PA was also first assist for former president Clinton's CABG.

PAs are well utilized by the federal government with PAs staffing VAs, CIA and State Dept assignments, etc. Every US embassy in the world has a staff PA.
 
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The White house medical officer on site 24/7/365 by the president's side has been a PA for may years.. You may recall when VP Cheney shot his hunting buddy that the medical officer on site who saved the guy's life was the VPs PA.

A PA was also first assist for former president Clinton's CABG.

PAs are well utilized by the federal government with PAs staffing VAs, CIA and State Dept assignments, etc. Every US embassy in the world has a staff PA.
And countries with the best health outcomes and best healthcare systems have just doctors and nurses. Are you saying the US is the perfect example of how healthcare should be done (lolololol)?
 
We desperately need is healthcare liberalization, where we open the industry to competition, so *****s in government like Bernie can't dictate division of labor and create a centrally planned nightmare like we have.
After the absolute fiasco that has been every single step of the COVID-19 crisis, how can anyone wish for the US government to centrally plan anything?
 
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After the absolute fiasco that has been every single step of the COVID-19 crisis, how can anyone wish for the US government to centrally plan anything?

Taking this further:

If a father beats their son, how can anyone wish for a father? If one public school is bad, how could anyone wish for public schooling? If one doctor is bad, how can anyone trust a doctor?

Newsflash: incompetent *****s can't lead. A good response would probably require that you believe there's something to be responded to in the first place as well.
 
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Taking this further:

If a father beats their son, how can anyone wish for a father? If one public school is bad, how could anyone wish for public schooling? If one doctor is bad, how can anyone trust a doctor?

Newsflash: incompetent *****s can't lead. A good response would probably require that you believe there's something to be responded to in the first place as well.
A huge part of the arguments between the "far left" and the "centrist democrats" is that we are arguing over points in different theoretical worlds, but ultimately want the same thing. To put this more explicitly,

You argue: I support Medicare for All, and it will work beautifully with a government that isn't incompetent.

I argue: Medicare for All will never work with our current government. I do not support Medicare for All until we make major changes to our political representation.

Ultimately, all anyone hears is the "yea" or "nay" for the policy, but if you listen closely (and read my previous posts) we want the same thing. Unless of course you'd suggest that we implement Medicare for All via aggressive means with a completely unwilling Republican base during a time when we narrowly control the Senate, House, and Presidency. Anyone who argues for the latter I would consider foolish for being willing to risk healthcare access for millions for an ideological victory (when there are many, less risky, less controversial means of attaining universal healthcare coverage for Americans).

Your argument exists in a world where you assume it is possible to achieve a government that supports the healthcare system during both Democratic and Republican eras. My argument exists in a world where I don't believe we'll achieve (in the next 20 years at least) a paradigm shift for Republican views on healthcare, and any form of healthcare that requires Republicans to play along is a very bad idea.

Ultimately, we want the same thing and even believe mostly the same things. We're just having an argument about different topics without realizing it.
 
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A huge part of the arguments between the "far left" and the "centrist democrats" is that we are arguing over points in different theoretical worlds, but ultimately want the same thing. To put this more explicitly,

You argue: I support Medicare for All, and it will work beautifully with a government that isn't incompetent.

I argue: Medicare for All will never work with our current government. I do not support Medicare for All until we make major changes to our political representation.

Ultimately, all anyone hears is the "yea" or "nay" for the policy, but if you listen closely (and read my previous posts) we want the same thing. Unless of course you'd suggest that we implement Medicare for All via aggressive means with a completely unwilling Republican base during a time when we narrowly control the Senate, House, and Presidency. Anyone who argues for the latter I would consider foolish for being willing to risk healthcare access for millions for an ideological victory (when there are many, less risky, less controversial means of attaining universal healthcare coverage for Americans).

Your argument exists in a world where you assume it is possible to achieve a government that supports the healthcare system during both Democratic and Republican eras. My argument exists in a world where I don't believe we'll achieve (in the next 20 years at least) a paradigm shift for Republican views on healthcare, and any form of healthcare that requires Republicans to play along is a very bad idea.

Ultimately, we want the same thing and even believe mostly the same things. We're just having an argument about different topics without realizing it.
What do you think is wrong with Medicare for all, but still allowing for an option to opt for private insurance if you want to and can afford it?
 
A huge part of the arguments between the "far left" and the "centrist democrats" is that we are arguing over points in different theoretical worlds, but ultimately want the same thing. To put this more explicitly,

You argue: I support Medicare for All, and it will work beautifully with a government that isn't incompetent.

I argue: Medicare for All will never work with our current government. I do not support Medicare for All until we make major changes to our political representation.

Ultimately, all anyone hears is the "yea" or "nay" for the policy, but if you listen closely (and read my previous posts) we want the same thing. Unless of course you'd suggest that we implement Medicare for All via aggressive means with a completely unwilling Republican base during a time when we narrowly control the Senate, House, and Presidency. Anyone who argues for the latter I would consider foolish for being willing to risk healthcare access for millions for an ideological victory (when there are many, less risky, less controversial means of attaining universal healthcare coverage for Americans).

Your argument exists in a world where you assume it is possible to achieve a government that supports the healthcare system during both Democratic and Republican eras. My argument exists in a world where I don't believe we'll achieve (in the next 20 years at least) a paradigm shift for Republican views on healthcare, and any form of healthcare that requires Republicans to play along is a very bad idea.

Ultimately, we want the same thing and even believe mostly the same things. We're just having an argument about different topics without realizing it.

Maybe you're right that because the entire republican party wants to sabotage any public good (public schools, medicaid, social security, post office) we cannot have single payer healthcare. Fair enough! My argument does hinge on voting for the type of politician who would support universal healthcare and not deliberately sabotage it. Under your argument why don't we try and end public schools, medicaid, ss, post office since those things will just be sabotaged too?

I would suggest passing medicare for all by any means necessary, regardless of how close it is. The republican base would like it just fine; after all, these are the same people who hate obamacare but like the affordable care act. people in general are kind of ignorant but if you provide them healthcare it's a win. I wonder how many retired republicans would support getting rid of medicare. If we did medicare for all, you'd see the same opinions on it imo. Even trump said he was never gonna cut medicare since he knew it is a political loser to do that (or at least say youll do it)

What do you think is wrong with Medicare for all, but still allowing for an option to opt for private insurance if you want to and can afford it?

I support the current system which is that you cannot by private insurance for things that medicare already covers. That's the current system, so whenever anyone argues that it's outrageous to ban private insurance, you should ask them why they don't care (probably didn't even know) that it's already almost banned for anyone over 65. yes they can buy supplemental insurance for things not covered, which will also be the case under Medicare for All, its just anything necessary will already be covered so the supplemental insurance market will be very small.
 
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What do you think is wrong with Medicare for all, but still allowing for an option to opt for private insurance if you want to and can afford it?
This will prove cost prohibitive for most, and we'll be left with an underfunded public service for the poor and comprehensive care for those who can afford it. This is arguably worse than pure single payer because it gives billionaire donors and wealthier Republican voters even less incentive to vote for those who support the system, because they don't even use it. Everyone loses under this system, including the middle class. At least today, though we pay more than most other countries, the middle class can access extremely high quality care. The problem with care is not so much access (most of lack of access to care comes from geography and education, not availability), but rather unpredictable billing, and that can be solved in many ways that don't jeopardize the few things we do extremely well.

A parallel to your suggestion would be our public school system, which is absurdly underfunded and serves as the source of enormous inequality in our nation. Our public school system is an absolute joke, and the chasm between public schools in rural parts of "fly over" states and elite private schools is incogitable. This sort of system works much better elsewhere, because, as I touched on with @jambro, we have a ways to go politically before these types of systems can work to their potential in our country.
 
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This will prove cost prohibitive for most, and we'll be left with an underfunded public service for the poor and comprehensive care for those who can afford it. This is arguably worse than pure single payer because it gives billionaire donors and wealthier Republican voters even less incentive to vote for those who support the system, because they don't even use it. Everyone loses under this system, including the middle class. At least today, though we pay more than most other countries, the middle class can access extremely high quality care. The problem with care is not so much access (most of lack of access to care comes from geography and education, not availability), but rather unpredictable billing, and that can be solved in many ways that don't jeopardize the few things we do extremely well.

A parallel to your suggestion would be our public school system, which is absurdly underfunded and serves as the source of enormous inequality in our nation. Our public school system is an absolute joke, and the chasm between public schools in rural parts of "fly over" states and elite private schools is incogitable. This sort of system works much better elsewhere, because, as I touched on with @jambro, we have a ways to go politically before these types of systems can work to their potential in our country.
i see. so in your opinion, how should things ideally be then?
 
This will prove cost prohibitive for most, and we'll be left with an underfunded public service for the poor and comprehensive care for those who can afford it. This is arguably worse than pure single payer because it gives billionaire donors and wealthier Republican voters even less incentive to vote for those who support the system, because they don't even use it. Everyone loses under this system, including the middle class. At least today, though we pay more than most other countries, the middle class can access extremely high quality care. The problem with care is not so much access (most of lack of access to care comes from geography and education, not availability), but rather unpredictable billing, and that can be solved in many ways that don't jeopardize the few things we do extremely well.

A parallel to your suggestion would be our public school system, which is absurdly underfunded and serves as the source of enormous inequality in our nation. Our public school system is an absolute joke, and the chasm between public schools in rural parts of "fly over" states and elite private schools is incogitable. This sort of system works much better elsewhere, because, as I touched on with @jambro, we have a ways to go politically before these types of systems can work to their potential in our country.
Is it though?

 
Under your argument why don't we try and end public schools, medicaid, ss, post office since those things will just be sabotaged too?
The public school system is exactly the sort of disaster we'd be trying to avoid as we move towards building a great healthcare system. Public schools are an imperative, because everyone must achieve a minimum level of education to even begin to function in society. Within the healthcare system, we afford this "minimum" to people by providing free care when necessary and with programs such as medicaid. Meanwhile, we require that businesses and self-employed entrepreneurs support the system with insurance plans that actually pay enough to actually keep hospitals open (private insurance indirectly subsidizes medicaid, and that's indisputable). It's also indisputable that public schools perform atrociously in America, a product of American culture and politics. Healthcare would suffer a similar fate without proper political changes first.

A fundamental difference between medical care and schooling is that educational inequality is perhaps the primary driver of socioeconomic inequality. Educating one person and not another creates an unjust society. Meanwhile, good healthcare for anyone is objectively a good thing. While some would rather see two people die of cancer than see one survive and another die, those of us living in the real world know that all (proper) healthcare is good healthcare. I life saved is a good thing. Don't dismantle the parts that work and replace them with a universally poorly funded less accessible system. Instead, increase subsidies and work on private insurance reform to make healthcare more affordable and less predatory.

The post office acts more like a public service for people who live outside of the usual delivery areas for shipping companies that typically do a much better job meeting deadlines. It is important to maintain as a safety net for remote areas, but not something that should be expanded to all our shipping and receiving needs.
I would suggest passing medicare for all by any means necessary, regardless of how close it is.
Then I think you're foolish. We need changes that will work, and we need to slowly build to a better system that fits the will of the people and those they choose to represent them. The best way to fail to delivery affordable, universal healthcare for decades is to force it and fail. M4A already has many flaws, and for it to pass it will be bastardized a hundred times over, creating a monstrosity that will be doomed to fail, much like Green Mountain Care in Vermont.

Not only will it leave an incredible human toll, but it will create the narrative that single payer doesn't work in America. Frankly, I think that narrative is correct, I just think it's for the opposite reasons that the Republicans cite. We must drastically change politics if we want to be successful drastically changing healthcare, and until then we need to pass the reforms that will be successful, like private insurance reform, increased subsidies, etc...
 
Is it though?
Yes. It's pretty much widely acknowledged by economists that public schools are underfunded.

Note that I'm not arguing at all that underfunding is the only reason for poor performance. Education isn't a problem you can just throw money at. However, while it isn't the primary etiology, it's a symptom indicative of our overall attitude towards the importance of education.
 
Yes. It's pretty much widely acknowledged by economists that public schools are underfunded.

Note that I'm not arguing at all that underfunding is the only reason for poor performance. Education isn't a problem you can just throw money at. However, while it isn't the primary etiology, it's a symptom indicative of our overall attitude towards the importance of education.
Did you click his link?
 
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