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hallowmann said:
Yes it is against NRMP rules. Match violation.



Its a bit unclear based on the wording I read, but I don't think its allowed. That said, if you get offered a DO spot that you'd prefer, accept it, and then don't accept any offers in the SOAP, I don't really see how that would cause a huge problem (but it still might be a match violation). A lot of DO programs with open spots at this point are probably waiting until Friday for the ACGME DO applicants that fail to SOAP, so it might not be useful anyway.
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Another question, if I withdrew from the NMS match, does that make a difference in my chances of scrambling into a DO program?
 
Also, logistically, you might have to apply to those DO programs through ERAS, which absolutely does communicate with the NRMP. That would make it a dangerous game for sure.

Smiths11 said:
Another question, if I withdrew from the NMS match, does that make a difference in my chances of scrambling into a DO program?
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No. The NMS match is over. Scrambling is open to pretty much anyone. Its a crazy free-for-all.
 
hallowmann said:
That's kind of meaningless. The ACGME is not the NRMP.
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from what ive been told the reason alot of people avoid the AOA match this year is because of the uncertainty that those programs would acquire accreditation and because all aoa programs end by 2020 and your still in a aoa residency during that time, you'd basically get the boot and be screwed. if this is wrong correct me but this is what ive been told
 
hallowmann said:
Also, logistically, you might have to apply to those DO programs through ERAS, which absolutely does communicate with the NRMP. That would make it a dangerous game for sure.
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So for the scramble, ERAS is still in effect?

I was under the assumption that it's free for all just throwing all your applications at every program via email.

I'm in an actual dilemma now. Location is big for me. I see like 10 unfilled FM DO spots in my immediate vicinity. If I get offered an FM spot on the other side of the country through SOAP, I'd be tempted to wait and shoot for one of the DO ones on Friday.

Never experienced anything like this. Thoughts??
 
Smiths11 said:
So for the scramble, ERAS is still in effect?

I was under the assumption that it's free for all just throwing all your applications at every program via email.

I'm in an actual dilemma now. Location is big for me. I see like 10 unfilled FM DO spots in my immediate vicinity. If I get offered an FM spot on the other side of the country through SOAP, I'd be tempted to wait and shoot for one of the DO ones on Friday.

Never experienced anything like this. Thoughts??
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Do you want to get a residency? If so, take a spot if offered...
 
Non-US IMG, got one interview today so keeping my fingers crossed for some more tomorrow
 
Anyone think it's worth applying to the more competitive specialties with openings? Seems like the best choice for me is to turn the page and lock in to a new specialty rather than looking for a 1 year gig followed by round 2 for EM.
 
Is it a SOAP violation to communicate with a friend working at the program you applied to during SOAP ?
 
No phone calls yet, but scheduled 2 interviews for tomorrow morning.

Good luck, everyone. Persevere!
 
Applied to 41 Programs. Kept 4 programs open for Surgery Prelim just in case I match into an advanced program.
Is this a wise strategy?
 
2 phone calls so far.
I'm also a DO student, with 250+ step 1 and 2 and solid rec letters and 15 interviews but somehow failed to match EM.
 
docqb said:
2 phone calls so far.
I'm also a DO student, with 250+ step 1 and 2 and solid rec letters and 15 interviews but somehow failed to match EM.
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What time did you get the phone calls?
 
docqb said:
2 phone calls so far.
I'm also a DO student, with 250+ step 1 and 2 and solid rec letters and 15 interviews but somehow failed to match EM.
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Whoa! With credentials like those, you'll match!! Stay positive!! Are you applying to other specialities now??
 
Dr.Jekyll75 said:
from what ive been told the reason alot of people avoid the AOA match this year is because of the uncertainty that those programs would acquire accreditation and because all aoa programs end by 2020 and your still in a aoa residency during that time, you'd basically get the boot and be screwed. if this is wrong correct me but this is what ive been told
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First off, the vast majority of available programs on the AOA side are FM, IM, or TRIs. All other specialties have only 5 or less programs each, so almost everyone who scrambles AOA is scrambling into an FM, IM, or TRI program.

Anyone who starts this year in a 3yr (or less) program will finish before the merger is even an issue. Plenty of programs already have initial accreditation, and many more will get it. Going to a program with initial or pre-accreditation is actually way better than going for a program that has neither (actually any longer programs that don't have those are already barred from accepting more residents by the AOA). And almost everyone who's scrambling will finish (barring delays) before it becomes an issue.

The AOA also requires programs to file an exit plan if they aren't accredited by Sept of 2019. The exit plan is designed to protect residents stuck in the program and transition them to another so they don't just get the boot with no other options. Who knows what will happen with that?

We're also talking about having a residency position at all or not for those SOAPing/scrambling. This isn't about what's ideal, its about what's possible. But like I said, almost everyone scrambling AOA are going into FM, IM, or a TRI.

Smiths11 said:
So for the scramble, ERAS is still in effect?...
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I honestly have no idea. How would you get LORs? I thought you could still submit apps to DO programs through ERAS, but maybe that's not true.

...I was under the assumption that it's free for all just throwing all your applications at every program via email.

I'm in an actual dilemma now. Location is big for me. I see like 10 unfilled FM DO spots in my immediate vicinity. If I get offered an FM spot on the other side of the country through SOAP, I'd be tempted to wait and shoot for one of the DO ones on Friday.

Never experienced anything like this. Thoughts??
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Yeah, there's no guarantee that those positions in the AOA are still available. The programs don't seem to be updating things on the NMS post-match database.

If you're really interested, you could ask a friend to contact those programs and just ask if they're still open, but even then, who says they'll be available when you finish the SOAP or whether they'd even offer you a spot?

It seems like a really bad move to turn down an offer for a hope for something better. You're already in the SOAP. Like others have said, secure and spot if you can, and be happy.

improvcric said:
Anyone think it's worth applying to the more competitive specialties with openings? Seems like the best choice for me is to turn the page and lock in to a new specialty rather than looking for a 1 year gig followed by round 2 for EM.
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I mean, if you like those specialties. But if that was the case, why didn't you apply to them in the first place? Don't just apply because its competitive and available. Apply because you would be happy doing it.
 
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IMG 256/265 applied to peds and prelim surgery. No calls yet.

On a brighter note I checked my junk folder this morning and a Nigerian prince wants to give me 5 million dollars. Just need to pay the lawyer fees, around 50k.

Glass half full, glass half full.
 
docqb said:
2 phone calls so far.
I'm also a DO student, with 250+ step 1 and 2 and solid rec letters and 15 interviews but somehow failed to match EM.
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I don't understand how this happens...the Match is bananas, sometimes. Good luck to you for SOAP!
 
docqb said:
2 phone calls so far.
I'm also a DO student, with 250+ step 1 and 2 and solid rec letters and 15 interviews but somehow failed to match EM.
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That's insane, did you try matching AOA ? Good luck.


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Hansman said:
I just got a recorded scam call saying I won a free hotel stay. It was very exciting until I answered the phone.
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I've been getting those for more than a month now...and they are local calls too. Idiots 🙁.
 
CaliAtenza said:
I've been getting those for more than a month now...and they are local calls too. Idiots 🙁.
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They should make that a federal crime if those things are made to people in SOAP or scramble. I guess those scammers know we are desparate for anything.
 
Psych_hopeful said:
They should make that a federal crime if those things are made to people in SOAP or scramble. I guess those scammers know we are desparate for anything.
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I'm not in SOAP, but I did it last year, so I feel for you 🙁. I keep blocking those numbers. I need to call Verizon and inform them about this scam...and also Hilton, because they are using Hilton's name.
 
CaliAtenza said:
I'm not in SOAP, but I did it last year, so I feel for you 🙁. I keep blocking those numbers. I need to call Verizon and inform them about this scam...and also Hilton, because they are using Hilton's name.
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So wait. If you get a phone interview, how likely are they gonna offer you the position?
 
improvcric said:
So if I understand this correctly, at the end of the first round you will have a list of offers (ideally) from which you pick one and decline the others?
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Yes. And for those that do not get any offers, remember that anyone in Round 1 who gets >1 offer and takes one, the rest end up in Round 2.

improvcric said:
Anyone think it's worth applying to the more competitive specialties with openings? Seems like the best choice for me is to turn the page and lock in to a new specialty rather than looking for a 1 year gig followed by round 2 for EM.
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It really depends upon why you didn't match. If it's something fixable, then applying again is a reasonable plan. If your USMLE scores are too low, nothing is going to fix that and you should move on.

If you didn't match in EM because of "competition", applying to more competitive fields, when you don't have LOR's supporting you for them, isn't a workable plan.

MissNomer said:
Is it a SOAP violation to communicate with a friend working at the program you applied to during SOAP ?
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Technically, yes. And if they just randomly work at the hospital, they aren't going to be able to help you.

Psych_hopeful said:
So wait. If you get a phone interview, how likely are they gonna offer you the position?
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There's no good answer to this question. Programs are going to interview more people than they have spots.
 
MissNomer said:
Is it a SOAP violation to communicate with a friend working at the program you applied to during SOAP ?
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I don't think so. Just no reaching out to the program and asking for interview. Like you can't call the PD or PC and ask them.

But a friend that you chat with informally and outside his/her official responsibilities in the residency program would technically be OK IMO.

But still, use your own best judgement.
 
Are most of these interviews going to be Skype or phone interviews?
 
aProgDirector said:
Now, the scramble is what happens after SOAP. It's totally different, as any program that wants to fill its spots does so in SOAP. Any program with spots open after SOAP isn't likely to fill them, for any number of reasons. So anyone with no spot post SOAP is free to contact programs on the "open slots" list, but your chance of finding anything is very slim at that point.
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Hi could you please expand on some of the reasons why any program with spots open after SOAP isn't likely to fill them? From a broad view, my understanding is that PDs want to fill their program slots with qualified applicants who would make a great fit. Given the constraints of the SOAP process, isn't it possible for there to be several perfectly good applicants available after the SOAP that would fit the program's needs?
 
Hansman said:
For a lot of us, the big question is ,"How many phone calls should I have received by now?" The random posts about getting a phone call don't tell us anything substantial, so I created a bunch of Google surveys. You can follow the link for the programs you are applying to, tell it if you have received calls or emails, and then see everyone's results afterward. You can also edit your response later when you get phone calls. This should let everyone see what percentage of SOAPers in their specialty are getting calls:

Preliminary Medicine / Transitional year: https://goo.gl/forms/UDEb7s1UqgZCD6g13
Preliminary Surgical year: https://goo.gl/forms/5fwRwCpbJbgvDISo1

Anesthesiology: https://goo.gl/forms/G8VxiKSNZCin8wXd2
Dermatology: https://goo.gl/forms/aXR2NnjmdIwxF8h43
Emergency Medicine: https://goo.gl/forms/jB8Dt4RWSqqO55uF3
Family Medicine: https://goo.gl/forms/eaWXZ9h0aHwKv6uh1
Internal Medicine: https://goo.gl/forms/bl9RfD3GHBxzKjNW2
Neurology: https://goo.gl/forms/YxMfQN89iy08GNxv2
Pathology: https://goo.gl/forms/ynv1FxWqxEDc8JMI3
Pediatrics: https://goo.gl/forms/9PWzXAHqyHrrqh0g1
Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation: https://goo.gl/forms/fEE7dSerILU7LTts1
Psychiatry: https://goo.gl/forms/9rKuNjRQptpqUlhp2
Radiology: https://goo.gl/forms/lhMj8S0uEYgLoAHN2
Surgery: https://goo.gl/forms/yctbJwjhN0epl6Oz2
Urology: https://goo.gl/forms/2zuIhg8l4DkmW2lg2

Good luck!
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Reposting because I found this to be the most helpful thing on the internet and its starting to get lost in the thread.
 
For those that have had a Skype interview, how much heads up do they give you to take the interview?
Are you wearing full interview suit or just a nice button down?
 
Bayonetwork said:
For those that have had a Skype interview, how much heads up do they give you to take the interview?
Are you wearing full interview suit or just a nice button down?
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I had them set up yesterday for this morning. I am currently in white shirt, jacket, no tie.... It's my "let's just be real here" approach. However I am not confident about that decision.
 
improvcric said:
I had them set up yesterday for this morning. I am currently in white shirt, jacket, no tie.... It's my "let's just be real here" approach. However I am not confident about that decision.
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No one would dock you points for going full suit/tie, but some people might for not.
 
Me. But I checked in ERAS and my PS, MS Transcript and other documents were released to the programs at 8:30pm last night. So, I'm keeping a positive attitude.
 
IMG-GCholder said:
Me. But I checked in ERAS and my PS, MS Transcript and other documents were released to the programs at 8:30pm last night. So, I'm keeping a positive attitude.
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Oh god, I'm such a *****. In the panic of yesterday, I updated my personal statement and assigned it and my letters to programs. Completely forgetting to assign my step scores and transcripts. Just did it now. Please just shoot me now!
 
Its impossible not to worry but keep in mind that as long as you are doing all the required things you are doing your best.
Good luck guys.
 
Search for programs you have applied to, then track assign documents, then check on the right where the "i" circle stands, it says "this document was made available to the program on ..."
 
Do programs directors see which programs you have partially matched to?
 
I received an email via ERAS message center and my school email asking if I was interested in a phone interview. The email said to contact the coordinator via their email, and listed it, so I emailed the person back saying that I was interested. This was at around 5 PM my time (West Coast), so 7 PM central time. I still have not heard anything back and it should be almost 10 O'clock Central time
 
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