Social media presence

[RxPsych]

Is it important to be active on various social media sites as an aspiring (neuro)psychologist? I'm considering creating a LinkedIn and I also hear a lot of buzz regarding Twitter for professional use, particularly in academia. Have many of you found it to be useful in contributing to any professional advancement/networking opportunities over the years? I'm imagining that any presence is better than no presence, I'm just curious if anyone has seen any tangible benefits from social media.

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[WisNeuro]

Is it important to be active on various social media sites as an aspiring (neuro)psychologist? I'm considering creating a LinkedIn and I also hear a lot of buzz regarding Twitter for professional use, particularly in academia. Have many of you found it to be useful in contributing to any professional advancement/networking opportunities over the years? I'm imagining that any presence is better than no presence, I'm just curious if anyone has seen any tangible benefits from social media.

Hasn't been important in any way whatsoever for me. If anything, the opposite may be true in legal work. I've already had lawyers tell me (opposing counsel) that they couldn't find anything about me on social media prior to a depo and were disappointed. I can't speak to the importance in academia. May be a way to get your work and pump your articles, but you could probably do that more easily and better targeted on listservs. Either way, I'm glad I don't spend the time cultivating the Facebook/Insta/whatever Chinese data mining platform is out there these days. More time for reimbursable stuff.

 

[EnPsychlopedia]

I literally bowed to the sociocultural pressure this week and created a Twitter for academic use. I don't like the idea of academic Twitter because the short-form and modish nature of Twitter is, to me, the worst way to promote non-combative, nuanced inquiry, but it's probably great for the sake of network building and publication popularization (especially for those of us earlier in their careers). But I hope to keep "commentary" to a bare minimum. (Also, sometimes people get clowned on, on Twitter, and it's deserved...like the other recent post here where people are rightly poling on a dude for being racist in a paper.)

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

When I was with my last R1 we were required to have a researchgate.com profile. I forget what else, but social media was a bit of a toss up back then. Now, I’d be curious to hear how different institutions address social media these days.

 

[AcronymAllergy]

For research, I could see X/Twitter possibly being worthwhile. You've already mentioned LinkedIn, on which I've actually made a few solid professional contacts (scattered amongst the myriad junk mail). If you're wanting to create a "brand" around your research/practice, then I suppose something like TikTok and/or YouTube would be necessary; otherwise, that's all I've got.

 

[summerbabe]

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On a more serious note, as a purely clinical person who is not looking for private practice/other opportunities, I am not on LinkedIn, Twitter, Researchgate or any other platforms.

I agree that a presence can be helpful, especially for research folks but if your account is mostly passive, I don't know how much benefit you'll get.

I knew somebody with a Twitter account that still has 20k+ followers. It doesn't look like they are that active today but they used to do all kinds of stuff daily such as link to their very active blog posts, start discussion threads and engage with followers, which is a major time commitment.

 

[psych.meout]

For a limited time, everybody here can use the promo code SDN for a 50% discount to my Onlyfans on your first month (jk).

On a more serious note, as a purely clinical person who is not looking for private practice/other opportunities, I am not on LinkedIn, Twitter, Researchgate or any other platforms.

I agree that a presence can be helpful, especially for research folks but if your account is mostly passive, I don't know how much benefit you'll get.

I knew somebody with a Twitter account that still has 20k+ followers. It doesn't look like they are that active today but they used to do all kinds of stuff daily such as link to their very active blog posts, start discussion threads and engage with followers, which is a major time commitment.

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[jdawg2017]

Current neuropsych postdoc here, and I agree with others that having a social media presence could definitely be problematic for some lines of work (e.g., forensics), whereas it’s more helpful for other areas (e.g., research and networking). I developed my Twitter/X back in my first year of grad school and have only used it for professional, uncontroversial content, like sharing research articles and resources. I also use ResearchGate and LinkedIn to a lesser degree. I do know that some AMCs consider social media presence as a small, but relevant part of promotion considerations.

I can’t say for sure it’s been essential to my success, but I do know that some of my internship and post-doc supervisors already knew me and my work/reputation because of my social media. It’s also nice and less intimidating to me to meet other trainees/ECPs virtually and then meet them in real life at a conference.

My biggest tips would be to always keep your profiles professional and uncontroversial (to the best you can within science). I’ve seen my fair share of pointless academic twitter arguments that would be best resolved privately or in person.

 

[The Cinnabon]

Is it important to be active on various social media sites as an aspiring (neuro)psychologist? I'm considering creating a LinkedIn and I also hear a lot of buzz regarding Twitter for professional use, particularly in academia. Have many of you found it to be useful in contributing to any professional advancement/networking opportunities over the years? I'm imagining that any presence is better than no presence, I'm just curious if anyone has seen any tangible benefits from social media.

I like having a Twitter to lurk and occasionally DM people. I also have a LinkedIn that I haven't updated since 2019 lol.

FWIW, a research based post doc at a big name I work with has no social media presence. So I truly don't know if having a social media presence is even required for research heavy types.

 

[AcronymAllergy]

Current neuropsych postdoc here, and I agree with others that having a social media presence could definitely be problematic for some lines of work (e.g., forensics), whereas it’s more helpful for other areas (e.g., research and networking). I developed my Twitter/X back in my first year of grad school and have only used it for professional, uncontroversial content, like sharing research articles and resources. I also use ResearchGate and LinkedIn to a lesser degree. I do know that some AMCs consider social media presence as a small, but relevant part of promotion considerations.

I can’t say for sure it’s been essential to my success, but I do know that some of my internship and post-doc supervisors already knew me and my work/reputation because of my social media. It’s also nice and less intimidating to me to meet other trainees/ECPs virtually and then meet them in real life at a conference.

My biggest tips would be to always keep your profiles professional and uncontroversial (to the best you can within science). I’ve seen my fair share of pointless academic twitter arguments that would be best resolved privately or in person.

Friends don't let friends drunk Twitter.

And adding to the chorus RE: medicolegal/forensic work. The less online footprint you have, the better. Not just for attorneys, but also for claimants.

 

[PsyDr]

1) Name one time that a social media presence has ever gone well, for a professional, in the long term.

2) Psychology networks in a weird way:

a. Academia: In the initial phases, 80% of it is who you trained under, 20% is how much funding you brought in. The latter is initially determined by the former. That's why psychologists in their 70s brag about who they trained under. In the latter phases of your career, 95% of it is who you publish with and who you get funding with, with 5% of your benefits being from some people from conferences with similar achievements.

b. Clinical work: IME, psychologists tend to get their first job from some professional contact developed in internship or post doc. After that, there is a bifurcation.
i. Some people stick with regular jobs, which are often acquired through people who know you. For LinkedIn and similar sites, keep in mind they use headhunters because the job sucks. Also, "near a major metropolitan area" is code for "the town is a 6 hr drive from anywhere"
ii. For PP, we do not get clinical work from other psychologists. We get clinical work from physicians. Therefore, it is monetarily useless to network with other psychologists.

 

[WisNeuro]

Clinically/forensically, social media has been 0% involved in me building out my clinic, or who I refer out to.

 

[AcronymAllergy]

Clinically/forensically, social media has been 0% involved in me building out my clinic, or who I refer out to.

Same. I'd almost be a bit worried about clinical referrals brought in by social media. I've had a few non-clinical professional opportunities come in via LinkedIn, but that's it. I also second what PsyDr said via headhunters on LinkedIn. My (personal) Facebook and Instagram are both very bland and technically private, and I don't have Twitter, TikTok, et al.

 

[futureapppsy2]

From what I’ve seen, the Elon Musk buyout kind of killed academic Twitter/X. It’s still there, of course, but with much, much less engagement and dialogue.

 

[ClinicalABA]

Yeah- I'm in the cohort of folks who use some social media, but don't really stay on top of what is the newest thing and don't really want to take the time and effort to do so. I'm also in the cohort of people who are at the point in there careers where we are the ones doing the hiring. This creates a situation where by the time I figure out or adopt a social media platform, it's probably obsolete. This may just be a cohort effect that "dies out" over the next 15-20 years as folks like me get out of the game and the next generation that follows never knew a life without social media and is better able to use it. I just think we are there yet. As it stands, I'm looking for proof that you can do the job (or learn to do a job that you've never done). I'm not really impressed with how you present yourself on social media sites where only you control the information.

As to the OP statement that "any presence is better than no presence"- rethink that one. Come time to apply for jobs or other career advancement opportunities, you want to be sure that there's nothing sketchy out there about you. Why potentially give someone a reason not to hire you if you don't have to?

 

[MCParent]

I think the strongest use case is if you’re in PP and you’re ultra niche and trying to do things outside of PP. Like, if I were entering PP now and wanted to 100% brand as the bodybuilder therapist. In that case I’d for sure want to be on TikTok and IG, posting a lot, with the aim of attaching to someone like Layne Norton or other huge fitness person, and getting on their podcasts and getting in any relevant documentary etc as a commentator. Then leveraging that into books or whatever.

Short of that, I don’t see a huge use case. I was full in my small PP, and could have been ft, off psychtoday, physician referral, and happy patient referrals. So, no real asset to having a SM presence if all it does it make your wait list longer.

In academia I had a twitter I used to make infographics of my pubs. I did that mostly for fun tho. Academic twitter is a bit of a bore imo. I get notifications of pubs on ResearchGate and google scholar anyway.

If you’re considering anything in industry outside of traditional academia/PP, def have a LinkedIn tho. We all use it. You don’t have to be active on it.

 

[Ollie123]

As with virtually anything, I think there are pros and cons. Ultimately, I really don't think it matters much for the overwhelming majority of people. Passively having an account so you can follow some big names, societies, etc. and maybe use it to spot some job ads you'd otherwise miss or follow some interesting conversations is one thing. I actually think the biggest potential advantage - especially as a student - is extracting some useful information from debates that happen. This helps you avoid inadvertently stepping on landmines you didn't know were landmines before some reviewer explodes your torso. Could also help you generate new ideas and build knowledge of what is hotly debated in the field. But it will also suck up time you could spend on things that actually do matter (pubs/grants/etc.).

Spending time "curating" a social media presence is quite another. Nothing wrong with doing that if you want, but I cannot possibly think of a worse reason to have a twitter account than thinking it will help you succeed in academia. Not all that much different from posting here. Which is something I definitely do for fun and not the professional perks. 15+ years in I think its gotten me 1-2 pubs and one aborted/failed project. I'd absolutely be more professionally successful if I did NOT read/post on SDN and spent that time writing instead. Yet here I am

Some random notes:
- I actually think it can be more useful for senior folks. When you are an established authority and people will listen to you, it can be helpful for disseminating things. When you are at the stage of publishing your own authoritative textbook then yeah, it may be worth starting to build up an online presence.
- I think linkedin is most valuable for people who don't want academic OR clinical jobs. For academics, linkedin has virtually zero value. With maybe a very tiny asterisk next to that if you do things industry-adjacent enough that consulting gigs might come out of it. Maybe its just me, but I've never been contacted about a remotely viable clinical job on linkedin - this is where they hire contractors to work in prisons for less than my post-docs make. If you want an industry job than I think a well-designed linkedin profile has some value. It actually IS used in industry.
- I've been on 3 search committees the last two years. Literally no mention of social media was ever made and it was not discussed in a single job application. I recently found out my post-doc does not have facebook. She's worked for me for two years now and I didn't know if she did or didn't.
- Not social media, but the one thing that actually does impress me is when a psychologist has a github. This suggests someone has likely made a useful thing they want to share and is unlikely to be completely technically illiterate. Unless you are in a handful of small subfields though, this is likely irrelevant. I would wager < 20% of my colleagues even know what github is. And to be clear, I do not even have/use github myself.

 

[AcronymAllergy]

As with virtually anything, I think there are pros and cons. Ultimately, I really don't think it matters much for the overwhelming majority of people. Passively having an account so you can follow some big names, societies, etc. and maybe use it to spot some job ads you'd otherwise miss or follow some interesting conversations is one thing. I actually think the biggest potential advantage - especially as a student - is extracting some useful information from debates that happen. This helps you avoid inadvertently stepping on landmines you didn't know were landmines before some reviewer explodes your torso. Could also help you generate new ideas and build knowledge of what is hotly debated in the field. But it will also suck up time you could spend on things that actually do matter (pubs/grants/etc.).

Spending time "curating" a social media presence is quite another. Nothing wrong with doing that if you want, but I cannot possibly think of a worse reason to have a twitter account than thinking it will help you succeed in academia. Not all that much different from posting here. Which is something I definitely do for fun and not the professional perks. 15+ years in I think its gotten me 1-2 pubs and one aborted/failed project. I'd absolutely be more professionally successful if I did NOT read/post on SDN and spent that time writing instead. Yet here I am

Some random notes:
- I actually think it can be more useful for senior folks. When you are an established authority and people will listen to you, it can be helpful for disseminating things. When you are at the stage of publishing your own authoritative textbook then yeah, it may be worth starting to build up an online presence.
- I think linkedin is most valuable for people who don't want academic OR clinical jobs. For academics, linkedin has virtually zero value. With maybe a very tiny asterisk next to that if you do things industry-adjacent enough that consulting gigs might come out of it. Maybe its just me, but I've never been contacted about a remotely viable clinical job on linkedin - this is where they hire contractors to work in prisons for less than my post-docs make. If you want an industry job than I think a well-designed linkedin profile has some value. It actually IS used in industry.
- I've been on 3 search committees the last two years. Literally no mention of social media was ever made and it was not discussed in a single job application. I recently found out my post-doc does not have facebook. She's worked for me for two years now and I didn't know if she did or didn't.
- Not social media, but the one thing that actually does impress me is when a psychologist has a github. This suggests someone has likely made a useful thing they want to share and is unlikely to be completely technically illiterate. Unless you are in a handful of small subfields though, this is likely irrelevant. I would wager < 20% of my colleagues even know what github is. And to be clear, I do not even have/use github myself.

Shots fired.

I kid, I kid.

I'd almost certainly have fewer reports to write if I didn't spend time here, but I'd also perhaps be less fun to be around.

Also, good points by you and MCParent RE: LinkedIn. It's definitely bigger with friends of mine in other industries, like tech and finance. And it's free. Probably worth the effort for most people to create a profile and keep it reasonably updated.

 

[WisNeuro]

Shots fired.

I kid, I kid.

I'd almost certainly have fewer reports to write if I didn't spend time here, but I'd also perhaps be less fun to be around.

Also, good points by you and MCParent RE: LinkedIn. It's definitely bigger with friends on my in other industries, like tech and finance. And it's free. Probably worth the effort for most people to create a profile and keep it reasonably updated.

LinkedIn is really only useful for kicks when I get unsolicited job offers to see their reactions when I give them my salary requirements.

 

[Sanman]

LinkedIn is really only useful for kicks when I get unsolicited job offers to see their reactions when I give them my salary requirements.

I mean, when I have the time, that is an enjoyable use of my mostly abandoned LinkedIn profile. I have been too busy to entertain such things though. I feel like outside of marketing, social media is for folks that are not busy enough with actual work.

 

[The Cinnabon]

FWIW

Lurking on SDN helped me interact with VA colleagues pretty well as a fresh out of college RA. Getting a head start on the cynicism and shop talk of the old timers made me into the pleasant piece of furniture I am during routine meetings. But I've also never took myself too seriously so it was an easy adjustment.

 

[deleted1129370]

For me and my practice, social media has been huge. I've gotten a lot of referrals via social media. I'm a group practice just FYI, but even when I started out as solo, social media was huge. I had some folks tell me they saw my Tik Tok videos on insomnia, etc., and it made them inclined to schedule an appointment with me. Much of my referrals come from psychologists on the Facebook groups I belong to, and others come from a psychiatrist I've been collaborating with. I recently invested money on a marketing company to design me a new site, do my SEO per month, and I have had a huge uptick on clients. Since doing that, I am over flowing with patients where I have to book about 2-3 weeks out (carrying about 35-40 patients on my case load).

My practice has Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, and Tik Tok. I am also a bit of a controversial person on Facebook and LinkedIn. I do that on purpose.

I used to spend a lot of time marketing on social media, but it gets a bit much after doing that for over a year. So, that's why I did what any other capitalist American would do.....I hired a nice lady from the Philippines at $8 an hour to work for me 40 hours per week answering calls, verifying insurances, marketing, and other tasks. She's been great and worth every penny.

 

[cara susanna]

I really miss pre-Elon Musk Twitter. I'm just rate limited all of the time.

Also, I don't really have a social media presence under my actual name.

 

[Sanman]

I really miss pre-Elon Musk Twitter. I'm just rate limited all of the time.

Also, I don't really have a social media presence under my actual name.

So, you're saying Cara Susanna is not your real name?

 

[medium rare]

No social media whatsoever for me but it’s nice to hear it’s been helpful in generating referrals should I ever be in the position of needing more business.

 

[MCParent]

No social media whatsoever for me but it’s nice to hear it’s been helpful in generating referrals should I ever be in the position of needing more business.

I never used social media for PP referrals, though I think a few came out of there roundabout. I’d be wary, in my experience social media makes some people prone to misunderstand boundaries, you have to have a way to deal with people who try to message you over it and describe an emergency, blah blah blah. Seems like minimal return on time to me + added complications to me, when I personally had to close my psych today at some points bc I was just turning away too many people. Again unless you are aiming to be a celebrity-ish psychologist.

 

[BuckeyeLove]

I may have told this story before on here so forgive me for being redundant. In 2013 as an intern I completed a sanity eval on a guy who was very ill at the time of a serious offense, but none of his symptoms were influencing his mental state (so the opinion was sane). Because of the severity of the case, a second opinion was ordered, with the same opinion being proffered. I moved away after internship. Years later when it finally went to trial, my supervisor was asked to testify to the report's contents (which he had supervised at the time). At this time, i had recently changed my profile picture with a Buckeye leaf over the pic, as it was homecoming and i was meeting up with old friends for the game. The attorney for the defendant found this picture, entered it into evidence, and proceeded to ask my former supervisor on the stand "So the intern who completed this report put THIS on his profile picture?!? What kind of dopeheads do you have doing these evaluations?!? My supervisor subsequently had to educate the Court on the subtle differences between buckeye leaves and marijuana leaves. The judge was furious with the attorney and went off on him. The point of the story is this...attorneys will throw anything they can at their dartboards. Why give them anything? This is especially true if you're going to be getting into civil work and the potential for depo. When you don't have a judge in the room, they can ask you anything and you have to answer.

 

[PsyDr]

When you don't have a judge in the room, they can ask you anything and you have to answer.

Protip: Not exactly. There are tons of other options. You can suspend the deposition and ask for a court ruling on a question. You can also answer however you want, regardless of form, citing your oath to answer with the whole truth. If they piss you off, you can quote bar rules about professional behavior, and leave. The worst they can do is get a judge to compel you to answer, at a later date. Just remember that it is a written profession, so you have to make verbal comments on their nonverbal behaviors.

 

[AcronymAllergy]

Protip: Not exactly. There are tons of other options. You can suspend the deposition and ask for a court ruling on a question. You can also answer however you want, regardless of form, citing your oath to answer with the whole truth. If they piss you off, you can note bar rules about professional behavior, and leave. The worst they can do is get a judge to compel you to answer, at a later date. Just remember that it is a written profession, so you have to make comments on the nonverbal behaviors present.

"I'd love to answer your question, counselor, if you'd kindly refrain from screaming at and interrupting me for a moment."

Attorneys will also be happy to comment on your nonverbals for the record if it seems helpful for them. "I couldn't help but noticing you're smiling, doctor; is this discussion funny to you?"

But yes, RE: social media, no need to make opposing counsel's job of trying to discredit you any easier.

 

[futureapppsy2]

FWIW

Lurking on SDN helped me interact with VA colleagues pretty well as a fresh out of college RA. Getting a head start on the cynicism and shop talk of the old timers made me into the pleasant piece of furniture I am during routine meetings. But I've also never took myself too seriously so it was an easy adjustment.

I’ve met several long-term collaborators on here!

 

[futureapppsy2]

I never used social media for PP referrals, though I think a few came out of there roundabout. I’d be wary, in my experience social media makes some people prone to misunderstand boundaries, you have to have a way to deal with people who try to message you over it and describe an emergency, blah blah blah. Seems like minimal return on time to me + added complications to me, when I personally had to close my psych today at some points bc I was just turning away too many people. Again unless you are aiming to be a celebrity-ish psychologist.

And trying to be a celebrity-ish psychologist can be a dangerous game—people can turn on you online with a shocking quickness.

 

[MCParent]

And trying to be a celebrity-ish psychologist can be a dangerous game—people can turn on you online with a shocking quickness.

That’s why I didn’t pursue it when some possibilities came up. Seems like trouble. It was bad enough being G-list famous on TikTok for 3 days a few weeks ago.

 

[Sanman]

And trying to be a celebrity-ish psychologist can be a dangerous game—people can turn on you online with a shocking quickness.

The problem with that is you don't want to be the Sarah Silverman of psychology even if they don't turn on you.

 

[borne_before]

I get most of my referrals through my onlyfans account.

 

[smalltownpsych]

I have a linked in account so that docs and other interested parties can find me easily and get a little extra info about me and what I do. I have a private practice and tend to work with professional people quite a bit and I think they feel more comfortable if they have another source of info about me and it does seem that other professionals tend to use linked in. Facebook is purely personal and I go on it every year or so. No other social media. Also, contrary to an above post, I do get referrals from other therapists because I provide a specialized type of service.

 

[MCParent]

I get most of my referrals through my onlyfans account.

I recall a post on here from a decade or so ago in which the poster wanted to funnel ppl from their stripper job to be their patients. They were not joking/trolling.

I know a small number of OF people who are in masters level training programs. Probably not a good idea.

I also introduced some training directors to what OF was in a training I did for CCPTP too. That was fun.

 

[R. Matey]

I also introduced some training directors to what OF was in a training I did for CCPTP too. That was fun.

Knowing some of those people, I can only imagine what kind of treat that must've been.

 

[Sanman]

I recall a post on here from a decade or so ago in which the poster wanted to funnel ppl from their stripper job to be their patients. They were not joking/trolling.

I know a small number of OF people who are in masters level training programs. Probably not a good idea.

I also introduced some training directors to what OF was in a training I did for CCPTP too. That was fun.

Can someone please make a CE available via video stream titled: Hot Topics in Ethics: When clients discover your OF account

I don't laugh enough when doing CE credits.

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

That’s why I didn’t pursue it when some possibilities came up. Seems like trouble. It was bad enough being G-list famous on TikTok for 3 days a few weeks ago.

Same, not the TT part bc I'm not your level of awesome, but I've been approached a few times over the years to conduct psych evals for reality tv shows (they wanted a human meat shield for liability in case a contestant dies/kills/other someone). I've also been recruited by numerous startups to push quackery, hard pass. Social Media is a cesspool of liability. I don't really want fame, and I definitely do NOT want infamy, so social media seems more like a liability than an opportunity. I want to be known in my niche, not on TMZ bc someone distorts a TikTok I did.

 

[MCParent]

Same, not the TT part bc I'm not your level of awesome, but I've been approached a few times over the years to conduct psych evals for reality tv shows (they wanted a human meat shield for liability in case a contestant dies/kills/other someone). I've also been recruited by numerous startups to push quackery, hard pass. Social Media is a cesspool of liability. I don't really want fame, and I definitely do NOT want infamy, so social media seems more like a liability than an opportunity. I want to be known in my niche, not on TMZ bc someone distorts a TikTok I did.

The reality tv screenings are rough. You can’t have them be crazy enough to shiv someone, but they do need to be a little crazy for drama.

 

[Sanman]

The reality tv screenings are rough. You can’t have them be crazy enough to shiv someone, but they do need to be a little crazy for drama.

I thought that is what the constant train of booze and unavailability of food was for.

 

[cara susanna]

So, you're saying Cara Susanna is not your real name?

Go figure, right??

Also, I recall that we had this question on an exam in grad school (Clinical Personality Assessment, maybe?) where we were asked to pretend we were screening for a reality show and which personality styles (Millon, I want to say?) we would put together to get the most drama.

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

The reality tv screenings are rough. You can’t have them be crazy enough to shiv someone, but they do need to be a little crazy for drama.

Exactly. They don’t even pay that well, especially compared to the increased liability.

 

[deleted1129370]

My twitter account is the only account I keep "private."

 

[clausewitz2]

The reality tv screenings are rough. You can’t have them be crazy enough to shiv someone, but they do need to be a little crazy for drama.

'Please determine whether candidate's GAF falls between 55 and 60'

 

[futureapppsy2]

Go figure, right??

Also, I recall that we had this question on an exam in grad school (Clinical Personality Assessment, maybe?) where we were asked to pretend we were screening for a reality show and which personality styles (Millon, I want to say?) we would put together to get the most drama.

I've also seen some discourse that people are less willing to play the villain role in reality TV shows these days, as the goal of many of the people who go on them is get a lot of paid post sponsorships on Instagram, TikTok, etc., and too bad of an edit might shut some doors. I've heard of people going on the Bachelor in hopes of "never having to work again." As an aside, the scripted show Unreal, made by a former Bachelor producer, is a fascinating look at how reality TV producers manipulate the living hell out of contestants--it's basically the perfect job for someone with a callous/unempathetic/unemotional personality and the ability to fake empathy for select small periods of time).

 

[MCParent]

I've also seen some discourse that people are less willing to play the villain role in reality TV shows these days,

Tell that to Plane Jane and Venus.

 

[MCParent]

I've also seen some discourse that people are less willing to play the villain role in reality TV shows these days, as the goal of many of the people who go on them is get a lot of paid post sponsorships on Instagram, TikTok, etc., and too bad of an edit might shut some doors. I've heard of people going on the Bachelor in hopes of "never having to work again." As an aside, the scripted show Unreal, made by a former Bachelor producer, is a fascinating look at how reality TV producers manipulate the living hell out of contestants--it's basically the perfect job for someone with a callous/unempathetic/unemotional personality and the ability to fake empathy for select small periods of time).

Absolutely the worst kind of famous. Celebrity enough to be the subject of gossip websites and exes telling stories, but with nearly no money. Nightmare fuel.

 

[Sanman]

I've also seen some discourse that people are less willing to play the villain role in reality TV shows these days, as the goal of many of the people who go on them is get a lot of paid post sponsorships on Instagram, TikTok, etc., and too bad of an edit might shut some doors. I've heard of people going on the Bachelor in hopes of "never having to work again." As an aside, the scripted show Unreal, made by a former Bachelor producer, is a fascinating look at how reality TV producers manipulate the living hell out of contestants--it's basically the perfect job for someone with a callous/unempathetic/unemotional personality and the ability to fake empathy for select small periods of time).

Sociopaths have many lucrative job paths in modern American capitalism. Does this pay better than tanking the housing market via derivatives or giving people 10 year car notes?

 

[futureapppsy2]

Sociopaths have many lucrative job paths in modern American capitalism. Does this pay better than tanking the housing market via derivatives or giving people 10 year car notes?

Depends on the show you produce, I suspect!