Software Engineer to MD/PhD?

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Double majored in biomedical engineering and computer science at a state school for undergrad, graduating this month.

uGPA: 3.3
sGPA: 3.3
Unfortunately, no upward trend. Low GPA is a result of doing two majors in four years.

Research - a summer at a well-known cancer center with a poster presented at a conference; two years of research at a lab at my school but no substantial work was completed (didn't enjoy the research topic)

Shadowing - I estimate about 30 hours total, done at the cancer center both in clinics and surgery.

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Healthcare and biomedical research are passions of mine, but I've always been on the fence throughout undergrad about medicine mainly due to my poor academic performance. I have a job lined up as a software engineer after graduation, but I've realized decisively in the past year that I do not have a passion in computer science / software engineering.

Instead, I am interested in MD/PhD (with the ultimate dream being to become a faculty member at an academic medical center). Considering how competitive it is to get into an MD/PhD program, I would also be interested in just a PhD in cancer research, though MD/PhD would be preferred since I enjoyed seeing the direct impact on patients during my time shadowing. I am not as interested in just an MD because my passions do fall more towards research.

I do plan on working for 2 years in the software engineering job both to save up some money and to also see if my desire to pursue medicine/research remains in the face of making money. (I suspect that it will.) During these next 2 years, I'd like to set myself up to begin this career change. I figure that I'd rather have "wasted time" than regret having not spent this time preparing if I were to actually decide to do a career change.

Since I'll still be in town for my job after graduation, I plan on seeking a part-time volunteer position at a lab at my university to increase my research experience. I am also willing to find time to do additional shadowing.

My main concern is my uGPA/sGPA, and I am worried that I will simply never be qualified for an MD/PhD program because of it. From what I've gathered, getting a master's would not be useful since the courses aren't graded with the same rigor as undergrad. A postbac or SMP seems to be the way to go. (I would be trying to enroll in 2 years, so I would be able to take care of other med school requirements such as the MCAT before applying for these.) However, I've read that the GPA obtained through these programs are simply lumped with my current uGPA/sGPA for new calculations, so due to the smaller amount of credit hours in postbac/SMP vs. undergrad, the GPA improvement can be minimal.

To summarize, my main questions are:
  • How should I prepare over 2 years for a potential career change, with a goal to get into an MD/PhD program?
  • Would it even be possible to increase my competitiveness to a reasonable level for an MD/PhD program due to my poor uGPA/sGPA?
Please let me know if there is anything I can clarify, and I thank you all in advance!
 
If getting into medical school is hard (and it is), getting into an MD/PhD program is much harder.

Post bac grades are averaged into your undergrad gpa, Master's grades are not. I have never seen someone who needed an SMP become a strong candidate for an MD/PhD program (although in some states this may be a possibility).

Most faculty members are not MD/PhD's.
 
Double majored in biomedical engineering and computer science at a state school for undergrad, graduating this month.

uGPA: 3.3
sGPA: 3.3
Unfortunately, no upward trend. Low GPA is a result of doing two majors in four years.

Research - a summer at a well-known cancer center with a poster presented at a conference; two years of research at a lab at my school but no substantial work was completed (didn't enjoy the research topic)

Shadowing - I estimate about 30 hours total, done at the cancer center both in clinics and surgery.

---

Healthcare and biomedical research are passions of mine, but I've always been on the fence throughout undergrad about medicine mainly due to my poor academic performance. I have a job lined up as a software engineer after graduation, but I've realized decisively in the past year that I do not have a passion in computer science / software engineering.

Instead, I am interested in MD/PhD (with the ultimate dream being to become a faculty member at an academic medical center). Considering how competitive it is to get into an MD/PhD program, I would also be interested in just a PhD in cancer research, though MD/PhD would be preferred since I enjoyed seeing the direct impact on patients during my time shadowing. I am not as interested in just an MD because my passions do fall more towards research.

I do plan on working for 2 years in the software engineering job both to save up some money and to also see if my desire to pursue medicine/research remains in the face of making money. (I suspect that it will.) During these next 2 years, I'd like to set myself up to begin this career change. I figure that I'd rather have "wasted time" than regret having not spent this time preparing if I were to actually decide to do a career change.

Since I'll still be in town for my job after graduation, I plan on seeking a part-time volunteer position at a lab at my university to increase my research experience. I am also willing to find time to do additional shadowing.

My main concern is my uGPA/sGPA, and I am worried that I will simply never be qualified for an MD/PhD program because of it. From what I've gathered, getting a master's would not be useful since the courses aren't graded with the same rigor as undergrad. A postbac or SMP seems to be the way to go. (I would be trying to enroll in 2 years, so I would be able to take care of other med school requirements such as the MCAT before applying for these.) However, I've read that the GPA obtained through these programs are simply lumped with my current uGPA/sGPA for new calculations, so due to the smaller amount of credit hours in postbac/SMP vs. undergrad, the GPA improvement can be minimal.

To summarize, my main questions are:
  • How should I prepare over 2 years for a potential career change, with a goal to get into an MD/PhD program?
  • Would it even be possible to increase my competitiveness to a reasonable level for an MD/PhD program due to my poor uGPA/sGPA?
Please let me know if there is anything I can clarify, and I thank you all in advance!
I'm a software engineer now and an M0. Try to get a job in a medically-related field. It will help you decide what you want to do, and will help your story when it comes to applying.

I don't have a ton of experience with MD/PhD applications, but defs trust gyngyn on this. I dunno if you're competitive now or not, but an SMP probably won't help it. My sense is successful MD/PhD applicants have a ton of research and the stellar academics to roll right from undergrad into these programs.

One thought is to do a PhD and then do an MD. I know a friend from undergrad who had to leave Harvard due to mental health issues, finished up at her state school, worked hard at regaining her stability and copusure, got a PhD at Yale, and is now in med school. Sure, it's longer, but she's going to combine her PhD research into her academic medical career, so kinda the same outcome?

Also, why not just go MD? Plenty of options to do research in medical school, and have post-grad careers that focus on research as well. PhD isn't required to have a research-heavy career as an MD.

Good luck!
 
Currently an MD/PhD student, and was an applicant two year ago with a similar background to you (OP). I studied engineering and then worked in industry for a couple years before applying. My GPA was lower than yours, so I did a Master's while working and did very well in that, on top of getting a good MCAT score (99th percentile). Hopefully, those things helped, but it's definitely an uphill battle.

While based on numbers alone, MD/PhD is more competitive admission than MD-only, there are nuances that you can work to your advantage, if you understand the difference in philosophy between MD-only and MD/PhD.

I knew I didn't stand a chance at an MD-only program, which is why I banked almost purely on MD/PhD applications. Of course I applied broadly to several MD-only programs, but, as I expected, I did not get a single MD-only offer, even from schools that are "less prestigious" than my current institution.

To answer your questions:

1) Your GPA will be the biggest hurdle. In theory, the best thing you could do is an SMP, where you essentially take medical school classes, because that provides the strongest evidence that you can succeed in medical school. The drawback is that they are typically full-time and expensive. You also need academic research experience, if possible, which you seem to understand already. A stellar MCAT score also helps.

2) It is possible, but like I said, it's an uphill battle. I did it with a lower GPA than yours, but I also was very lucky.

Feel free to PM if you have any questions.
 
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