Some of you guys need to re-evaluate yourselves

[sleepless22]

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when reading some of the threads such as the one about the guy who cheated or the thread about doctors smoking marijuana, i read some of the stuff and i am like "WHAT?!" As a doctor, you will be faced with many patients from very diverse backgrounds. What happens when one of your patients smokes pot? Are you going to jump down his back and yell at him? What if someone accidentally forgets payment, are you going to refuse treatment? People make their own decisions, as a doctor, you need to remove your subjective value judgements from consideration and allow people to lead their own lives the way they want to. And, please walk with a sense of humanism rather than jumping down people's throats. If you don't agree with something, say so, but dont be an dingus about it because I guarantee, as much as you want to believe it, your not perfect. You guys all want to be doctors for crying out loud, treat people with respect. Of course, this does not pertain to all, but you know who you are.

 

[BNSN]

your not perfect

yes i am🙁

 

[Robizzle]

^ are you back4more?

 

[Pinkertinkle]

when reading some of the threads such as the one about the guy who cheated or the thread about doctors smoking marijuana, i read some of the stuff and i am like "WHAT?!" As a doctor, you will be faced with many patients from very diverse backgrounds. What happens when one of your patients smokes pot? Are you going to jump down his back and yell at him? What if someone accidentally forgets payment, are you going to refuse treatment? People make their own decisions, as a doctor, you need to remove your subjective value judgements from consideration and allow people to lead their own lives the way they want to. And, please walk with a sense of humanism rather than jumping down people's throats. If you don't agree with something, say so, but dont be an dingus about it because I guarantee, as much as you want to believe it, your not perfect. You guys all want to be doctors for crying out loud, treat people with respect. Of course, this does not pertain to all, but you know who you are.

 

[PEN15]

when reading some of the threads such as the one about the guy who cheated or the thread about doctors smoking marijuana, i read some of the stuff and i am like "WHAT?!" As a doctor, you will be faced with many patients from very diverse backgrounds. What happens when one of your patients smokes pot? Are you going to jump down his back and yell at him? What if someone accidentally forgets payment, are you going to refuse treatment? People make their own decisions, as a doctor, you need to remove your subjective value judgements from consideration and allow people to lead their own lives the way they want to. And, please walk with a sense of humanism rather than jumping down people's throats. If you don't agree with something, say so, but dont be an dingus about it because I guarantee, as much as you want to believe it, your not perfect. You guys all want to be doctors for crying out loud, treat people with respect. Of course, this does not pertain to all, but you know who you are.

I'll remember that next time when my patient gives me pot as a form of payment for my services.

 

[MadHopsMD]

when reading some of the threads such as the one about the guy who cheated or the thread about doctors smoking marijuana, i read some of the stuff and i am like "WHAT?!" As a doctor, you will be faced with many patients from very diverse backgrounds. What happens when one of your patients smokes pot? Are you going to jump down his back and yell at him? What if someone accidentally forgets payment, are you going to refuse treatment? People make their own decisions, as a doctor, you need to remove your subjective value judgements from consideration and allow people to lead their own lives the way they want to. And, please walk with a sense of humanism rather than jumping down people's throats. If you don't agree with something, say so, but dont be an dingus about it because I guarantee, as much as you want to believe it, your not perfect. You guys all want to be doctors for crying out loud, treat people with respect. Of course, this does not pertain to all, but you know who you are.

some ppl on SDN are harsh. hahaha but there are plenty of nice manner folks on here too...

 

[^=^]

Op, I agree with you.

Someone pm this post to "yourmom" or who ever she is.

Hurry!

 

[MadHopsMD]

Op, I agree with you.

Someone pm this post to "yourmom" or who ever she is.

Hurry!

yourmom is a guy...with a really really hot avatar

 

[TMP-SMX]

when reading some of the threads such as the one about the guy who cheated or the thread about doctors smoking marijuana, i read some of the stuff and i am like "WHAT?!" As a doctor, you will be faced with many patients from very diverse backgrounds. What happens when one of your patients smokes pot? Are you going to jump down his back and yell at him? What if someone accidentally forgets payment, are you going to refuse treatment? People make their own decisions, as a doctor, you need to remove your subjective value judgements from consideration and allow people to lead their own lives the way they want to. And, please walk with a sense of humanism rather than jumping down people's throats. If you don't agree with something, say so, but dont be an dingus about it because I guarantee, as much as you want to believe it, your not perfect. You guys all want to be doctors for crying out loud, treat people with respect. Of course, this does not pertain to all, but you know who you are.

I agree. However, I find it ironic that you are laying down a judgement in a post against making judgements. By the way, it's you're not "your". (Yes, I judge people because of their poor grammar). 😉

Judgements are a normal part of our psychology. As much as we'd like to say that we won't do it as doctors, it is a subconscious judgement a vast majority of the time because we all hold some kinds of prejudices. The solution is of course education and learning that people are also individuals that do not always fit our perfectly groomed stereotype.

 

[stealthopts17]

when reading some of the threads such as the one about the guy who cheated or the thread about doctors smoking marijuana, i read some of the stuff and i am like "WHAT?!" As a doctor, you will be faced with many patients from very diverse backgrounds. What happens when one of your patients smokes pot? Are you going to jump down his back and yell at him? What if someone accidentally forgets payment, are you going to refuse treatment? People make their own decisions, as a doctor, you need to remove your subjective value judgements from consideration and allow people to lead their own lives the way they want to. And, please walk with a sense of humanism rather than jumping down people's throats. If you don't agree with something, say so, but dont be an dingus about it because I guarantee, as much as you want to believe it, your not perfect. You guys all want to be doctors for crying out loud, treat people with respect. Of course, this does not pertain to all, but you know who you are.

IT'S YOAR!!!! 😉

 

[FenderHM]

I agree. However, I find it ironic that you are laying down a judgement in a post against making judgements. By the way, it's you're not "your". (Yes, I judge people because of their poor grammar). 😉

Judgements are a normal part of our psychology. As much as we'd like to say that we won't do it as doctors, it is a subconscious judgement a vast majority of the time because we all hold some kinds of prejudices. The solution is of course education and learning that people are also individuals that do not always fit our perfectly groomed stereotype.

"judgement" is actually spelled judgment as long as we're being judgmental

 

[hp540]

Make it so number one!

 

[braluk]

does anyone else here start to realize that they're typing more carefully now so as to not be scrutinized by the walking dictionaries here 😉

 

[GoodDoctor]

Make it so number one!

In those snazzy jumpsuits, how does Number One go number two?

 

[HristosKaran]

I agree with the OP, the ego's on this forum are rediculous, and it is obvious that many of them have not actually gone out and experienced the "real world" at all...which is kind of sad..

Also, I know a psychiatrist who once told me that many of his patients become so comfortable with him, they bring him pot as "gifts." He claims he doesn't take it (which I hope not), but it is not as far fetched an idea as some of you may think.

 

[MirrorTodd]

Is it possible for me to care even less? No.

 

[pyrois]

does anyone else here start to realize that they're typing more carefully now so as to not be scrutinized by the walking dictionaries here 😉

No, I don't really care what I <irony>mispel</irony>. It's just a forum for heaven's sake😛 I mean... we use EMOTICONS in our sentences🙂

 

[pyrois]

"judgement" is actually spelled judgment as long as we're being judgmental

Okay, well if we're going to go down that route, you should have capitalized the "j" in "judgement" as it was the beginning of the sentence. You also need a period to end the statement. *facepalm*

 

[ExKitty Doctor]

No, I don't really care what I <irony>mispel</irony>. It's just a forum for heaven's sake😛 I mean... we use EMOTICONS in our sentences🙂

Haha that is a really good point... and just for good measure:

 

[Darch]

I agree. However, I find it ironic that you are laying down a judgement in a post against making judgements. By the way, it's you're not "your". (Yes, I judge people because of their poor grammar). 😉

"judgement" is actually spelled judgment as long as we're being judgmental

anyone else love when this happens to people? A person starts judging others for his/her mistakes (such as grammar) and BAM he or she makes a similar mistake not ONCE but several times during his or her criticism. talk about irony...

 

[airshad8]

yourmom is a guy...with a really really hot avatar

Agreed. Bubble gum blowing Japanesesgirl = hot hot hot

 

[szhao]

Agreed. Bubble gum blowing Japanesesgirl = hot hot hot

i don't know that is pretty common these days come on look at how many idols they have, one new each week, j/m

 

[Law2Doc]

"judgement" is actually spelled judgment as long as we're being judgmental

My dictionary says both are acceptable.

 

[Law2Doc]

What happens when one of your patients smokes pot? Are you going to jump down his back and yell at him?

Yelling tends not to be good practice. But if MJ smoking is the reason he wound up needing medical care, or if the patient aggravated preexisting lung issues, or if he was trying to smoke while in an oxygen tent or the like, then yes, a stern lecturing would be appropriate. 🙂

 

[airshad8]

My dictionary says both are acceptable.

Seriously, there is such thing as descriptive grammar, people! I hate seeing these gunners being sticklers about 'grammar' when they themselves have minimal knowledge.

 

[braluk]

Yelling tends not to be good practice. But if MJ smoking is the reason he wound up needing medical care, or if the patient aggravated preexisting lung issues, or if he was trying to smoke while in an oxygen tent or the like, then yes, a stern lecturing would be appropriate. 🙂

A stern lecturing might be too harsh, id give him a time out and a talking to afterwards, followed by a wedgie and a noogie.

 

[boo-yeh]

My dictionary says both are acceptable.

Really? I used to have that problem a lot. I've had a couple law profs and each one has made a point to tell the class that, no matter what Microsoft Word says, it's "judgment." I wish I had known this earlier...maybe I could have gotten some points back.

 

[Depakote]

BRILLIANT

 

[JDovers]

Seriously, there is such thing as descriptive grammar, people! I hate seeing these gunners being sticklers about 'grammar' when they themselves have minimal knowledge.

Way to know the difference between prescriptive and descriptive grammar, yo. I've used that before to find a lot of people have no idea what the difference is.

That said, your and you're still bugs the crap out of me. Almost as much as "alot."

 

[viper2fast505]

when reading some of the threads such as the one about the guy who cheated or the thread about doctors smoking marijuana, i read some of the stuff and i am like "WHAT?!" As a doctor, you will be faced with many patients from very diverse backgrounds. What happens when one of your patients smokes pot? Are you going to jump down his back and yell at him? What if someone accidentally forgets payment, are you going to refuse treatment? People make their own decisions, as a doctor, you need to remove your subjective value judgements from consideration and allow people to lead their own lives the way they want to. And, please walk with a sense of humanism rather than jumping down people's throats. If you don't agree with something, say so, but dont be an dingus about it because I guarantee, as much as you want to believe it, your not perfect. You guys all want to be doctors for crying out loud, treat people with respect. Of course, this does not pertain to all, but you know who you are.

Do you think Doctor are nice? There are nice ones and others that are not so much. I know this because of all the doctors I emailed asking if I could follow them around for one day to see what they do only one responded, and it was a DO at that. And another thing, get over yourself I am really sick of moral police. If someone cheats they deserve to be torched a little bit. And if someone is smoking pot and it is destroying their life to the point they are at a doctors office they should be yelled at.

 

[Depakote]

get over yourself I am really sick of moral police.

But he's being the moral police... of the moral police.

*head a splodes*


incidentally, my head has a splode'd twice in the past 24 hours, we're going for a record.

 

[tdd340]

Nothing like some unsolicited generalized criticism, way to go OP

 

[Darksmurf]

I agree with the OP, the ego's on this forum are rediculous, and it is obvious that many of them have not actually gone out and experienced the "real world" at all...which is kind of sad..

Also, I know a psychiatrist who once told me that many of his patients become so comfortable with him, they bring him pot as "gifts." He claims he doesn't take it (which I hope not), but it is not as far fetched an idea as some of you may think.

I've never understood what constitutes the 'real world.' Just because the the average person does stupid things, does that make it okay? If child pornography became the norm (it's creeping into the mainstream already--just look at the NY Times series Dark Corners), does that make it okay? Does that make it the 'real world'? Should we not still give those guys a few swift kicks in nuts?

People smoke pot. Who gives a [expletive deleted]? Should we give them our congrats? Enable their disease? People are fat. Should we let them inadvertently kill themselves with obesity, diabetes, heart disease? People lie, cheat, and steal. Does that mean they are more in the 'real world' than the honest, naive, upright bastards that get taken advantage of?

 

[WestTexasRambler]

Way to know the difference between prescriptive and descriptive grammar, yo. I've used that before to find a lot of people have no idea what the difference is.

That said, your and you're still bugs the crap out of me. Almost as much as "alot."

Pray tell. I am one of those uneducated boobs who needs further clariphication, alot.

I dam sure never knew of such things but then I didn't take English.

<<<<<from the looks of the definition I found I am a descriptive grammar man myself>>>>>>>>>>

 

[GAdoc]

I know I'm just jumping into what will become a stupid debate and after going back and forth with some nice residents on the ob/gyn forum last year, I said I'd never do this again but....

For the most part I agree with the OP. As physicians, we should not deny treatment just because we disagree with what got a patient into their situation.

However, telling patients things they don't want to hear is the essence of what sets us apart from other "jobs". I've heard it said that a defining attribute of what makes a profession a profession is the task of giving advice the client may not want to hear. That's why teachers, ministers, doctors, and lawyers are often considered the only true professions.

If you have an obese patient, you SHOULD tell them they're overweight. They may not want to hear it, but it's your responsibility. If they have eating disorders, if they are alcoholics, if they beat their spouse because of anger issues....all these things necessitate you giving them advice they probably don't want to hear. It doesn't mean you judge them. It doesn't mean you deny treatment, but you are responsible for more than just their presenting symptoms.

So, if a patient is smoking pot and it's ruining their lives (for whatever the reason) you are obligated to tell them the truth about it.

So fine...if you're upset because people are moralizing about smoking some pot I understand your point. Most the people who wind up in Trauma bays at 2:00 in the morning were probably involved in things we would find morally reprehensible. But we treat them without judging. However, while they're recovering, if we don't say to them, "hey, the lifestyle you're currently living may get you killed next time" WE are in the wrong.

 

[A Tree]

I think the relative anonimity of an internet forum makes people share their gut reactions faster than if they meet someone face to face. This, being a bunch of doctor-to-bes, is a highly principled group so people are even more likely to have strong opinions. But I see this on internet forums all the time where things get nasty just because there's not really any social awkwardness that comes with saying something on here (as opposed to say, chewing out a classmate).

 

[45408]

If you don't agree with something, say so, but dont be an dingus about it because I guarantee, as much as you want to believe it, your not perfect.

My not perfect? What about his not perfect? Or, God forbid, what about your not perfect?

 

[45408]

anyone else love when this happens to people? A person starts judging others for his/her mistakes (such as grammar) and BAM he or she makes a similar mistake not ONCE but several times during his or her criticism. talk about irony...

Cardinal Rule of Grammar Correction on the Internet.

 

[Anastasis]

Op, I agree with you.

Someone pm this post to "yourmom" or who ever she is.

Hurry!

of all the people to single out, I'm pretty sure yourmom would be towards the bottom of my list.

does anyone else here start to realize that they're typing more carefully now so as to not be scrutinized by the walking dictionaries here 😉

Not really. I don't care. I was an English major and I have the ****tiest grammar and spelling evar. 👍

 

[Anastasis]

Pray tell. I am one of those uneducated boobs who needs further clariphication, alot.

I dam sure never knew of such things but then I didn't take English.

<<<<<from the looks of the definition I found I am a descriptive grammar man myself>>>>>>>>>>

I actually learned about that in linguistics, not any of my "English" classes.

*insert snooty English major comment here*

j/k Rambler. 😍

 

[dopaminesurge]

WHoever said it was a matter of convention (exkitty dr, my best friend, I think?) is completely correct. OP, what about when marijuana is legalized and regulated? Are you still going to jump down patients' throats for occasional use?

Notice barely anyone's commented on the matter of cheating - we mostly agree it's immoral. But to demonize people who occasionally smoke pot is becoming more and more detached from the norm. Everyone else who said examine the patients' behavior and determine how negatively it affects their lives - I agree with that, too. A complete drug addict is one thing, but if I have a patient who uses coke or acid once or twice a year, that won't bother me either. Provided he does so in safe environments.

 

[Darksmurf]

OP, what about when marijuana is legalized and regulated? Are you still going to jump down patients' throats for occasional use?

Tobacco is legalized and regulated and those kids still need their asses kicked.

A complete drug addict is one thing, but if I have a patient who uses coke or acid once or twice a year, that won't bother me either. Provided he does so in safe environments.

I doubt that most people can use cocaine once or twice a year for very long.

 

[MonkeyNuts!]

when reading some of the threads such as the one about the guy who cheated or the thread about doctors smoking marijuana, i read some of the stuff and i am like "WHAT?!" As a doctor, you will be faced with many patients from very diverse backgrounds. What happens when one of your patients smokes pot? Are you going to jump down his back and yell at him? What if someone accidentally forgets payment, are you going to refuse treatment? People make their own decisions, as a doctor, you need to remove your subjective value judgements from consideration and allow people to lead their own lives the way they want to. And, please walk with a sense of humanism rather than jumping down people's throats. If you don't agree with something, say so, but dont be an dingus about it because I guarantee, as much as you want to believe it, your not perfect. You guys all want to be doctors for crying out loud, treat people with respect. Of course, this does not pertain to all, but you know who you are.

Oh gosh cry less, post less, lurk more.

People are jerks on the internet. Get over it. If you are refusing treatment or if your judgements of people are inhibiting your medical performance in any way, yeah that's wrong. But a bunch of people posting their beliefs and opinions on a website? You've got alot of nerve accusing people you have never seen in the workplace or just seen period of being dinguses.

 

[45408]

I doubt that most people can use cocaine once or twice a year for very long.

do you even know anyone who has done cocaine?

 

[Darksmurf]

do you even know anyone who has done cocaine?

Two people, actually. Both from high school. My high school had a minor drug problem. Neither of them are doing so well, but it's admittedly probably more than just the cocaine.

 

[Dookter]

Two people, actually. Both from high school. My high school had a minor drug problem. Neither of them are doing so well, but it's admittedly probably more than just the cocaine.

Well I know people that have used cocaine. One of them is in law school. This is a stupid argument to even have. The two people from your high school are in no way a representative sample of drug users, and they are in no way a representative of the diversity of drug problems you will see in medicine. Drug use is bad, but it doesn't mean you won't have highly successful patients with drug problems.

 

[45408]

Well I know people that have used cocaine. One of them is in law school. This is a stupid argument to even have. The two people from your high school are in no way a representative sample of drug users, and they are in no way a representative of the diversity of drug problems you will see in medicine. Drug use is bad, but it doesn't mean you won't have highly successful patients with drug problems.

Word. There are a lot of people in med school with drug problems as well, but it's just kept on the down low.

 

[Darksmurf]

Well I know people that have used cocaine. One of them is in law school. This is a stupid argument to even have. The two people from your high school are in no way a representative sample of drug users, and they are in no way a representative of the diversity of drug problems you will see in medicine. Drug use is bad, but it doesn't mean you won't have highly successful patients with drug problems.

I'm starting to get the feeling you just don't like me.

I was asked if I knew anyone who used cocaine. I replied in the affirmative, giving additional cursory details. I even implied that the cocaine was the least of their problems. I never meant my experience to be construed as representative and I did not make any absolute statements.

My bottom line is: in my experience people don't usually just pick up hard drugs as a recreation and that such drugs take over people's lives after not too long (thus, people don't use them once or twice a year for very long).

I did not intimate that highly successful people could not have drug problems, and if I did, I misrepresented myself. If you'll only forgive.

 

[Dookter]

I'm starting to get the feeling you just don't like me.

I was asked if I knew anyone who used cocaine. I replied in the affirmative, giving additional cursory details. I even implied that the cocaine was the least of their problems. I never meant my experience to be construed as representative and I did not make any absolute statements.

My bottom line is: in my experience people don't usually just pick up hard drugs as a recreation and that such drugs take over people's lives after not too long (thus, people don't use them once or twice a year for very long).

I did not intimate that highly successful people could not have drug problems, and if I did, I misrepresented myself. If you'll only forgive.

Why would I dislike you? Most of the topics addressed on these forums are incredibly complex. And you get people that come on here and make all sorts of weird comments that need further clarification or only represent one small fraction of reality. You statement about people not being able to use cocaine only once or twice a year, IMO, qualified as one of those statements. Of course people could use cocaine only once or twice a year and be fine. That absolutely does not make it OK. But you're going to see this stuff as a doctor [I am not sure why people would tell you this, but they might]. You might, as Prowler mentioned, see this stuff among your fellow students or doctors.

 

[8744]

when reading some of the threads such as the one about the guy who cheated or the thread about doctors smoking marijuana, i read some of the stuff and i am like "WHAT?!" As a doctor, you will be faced with many patients from very diverse backgrounds. What happens when one of your patients smokes pot? Are you going to jump down his back and yell at him? What if someone accidentally forgets payment, are you going to refuse treatment? People make their own decisions, as a doctor, you need to remove your subjective value judgements from consideration and allow people to lead their own lives the way they want to. And, please walk with a sense of humanism rather than jumping down people's throats. If you don't agree with something, say so, but dont be an dingus about it because I guarantee, as much as you want to believe it, your not perfect. You guys all want to be doctors for crying out loud, treat people with respect. Of course, this does not pertain to all, but you know who you are.

I think the problem with society is that we aren't judgemental enough. I propose we start telling people what we really think.

And let's all start working for conformity, not "diversity."

I'm ready to burn this mother down. Who's with me?