Someone is getting into these schools with below-average scores...

[cfdavid]

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does anyone else find this thread to be funny

sweaty asses are not a plus in the med school app. process.

I know. lol
This guy's got a sweaty ass fetish. lol

 

[cfdavid]

What she said. ^^ And labaholic, this 30-year-old is more than happy to compete vis-a-vis with you or any other trad on MCAT score. You really don't wanna go there, dude. 🙄

Hey Q, will you marry me??

 

[veenut]

I just wanted to add that there will always be someone getting in with below average scores. It is a mathematical necessity.

This is really the only post that is needed. 👍

 

[medhacker]

Who cares what there circumstances are? Someone will always be the lowest and the highest just like in class rank. Just make sure it isn't you so pre-meds don't speculate about your race and background.

I think this line of thinking is wrong. If I am an URM for example and have the lowest scores, who cares if I am the student who entered med school with the lowest stats? who cares if other premeds speculate? I know my potential, I know how smart I am, I know the lack of resources I had while my counterparts had them plentiful, I know the quality (or lack of) of the educational institutions I attended before college (shoot...even college) I know how hard I worked to help my below poverty line family survive, I know how hard I worked period. My premed stats do not define me and they definitely do not define the kind of doctor I will be, or the type of medical student I will be. geeeshh.....

 

[gujuDoc]

This is really the only post that is needed. 👍

Very true. Indo always has good stuff to say. 😀

 

[63768]

This is really the only post that is needed. 👍

indo's statement is not necessarily true. it is not a necessity if the school specifically selected a certain score. in that case, there is no deviation from the mean and no one performs above or below the average. haha this is impossible w/ medical schools but i was just being anal. 😛

 

[seadizzle]

Ok, I'll lay out my cards. I've got a 36, an acceptance to medical school, and I teach people how to fly 4 engine jet airplanes into Iraq.

What do you have?

I have a 38, a 3.9 science gpa and a 12" penis.

 

[Labslave]

I have a 38, a 3.9 science gpa and a 12" penis.

Wow. That's an impressive GPA.

 

[Hoberto]

Ewwww, 12" penis is just nasty.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

I have a 38, a 3.9 science gpa and a 12" penis.

lol, i'm thinking this belongs on the premed singles thread.

 

[fullefect1]

what about those who get in because they know someone, or because they have wealthy parents who make donations.QUOTE]

My life would be so much easier if the MSAR told me who I had to blow to get into certain schools...

hahaha

 

[medhacker]

indo's statement is not necessarily true. it is not a necessity if the school specifically selected a certain score. in that case, there is no deviation from the mean and no one performs above or below the average.

true...

 

[Orthodoc40]

I was browsing through the MSAR book earlier today and became a bit confused...

Someone (maybe more than one) is getting into US med schools with verbal scores of 4, PS & BS scores of 6 (specifically SUNY Upstate).

The MSAR book gives schools' min to max scores of accepted applicants. Who, exactly, are they letting in with these scores? very curious...

From my advisor when I asked the same question: "All kinds of people make it through with a low number somewhere - relatives of people on the admissions committees, the PhD from China who scores 4, 14, 14, Q, so he clearly knows English but processes that kind of test slowly in English, the English Literature scholar who scores 3,12,12 (I think you get a 3 for signing your name) and who knew she misbubbled and the medical school is willing to take her word for it, the inner city person who worked full time while attending a difficult college full time, got a 3.5 GPA, majored in the sciences and excelled, can't afford an MCAT prep course and can't get the science above an 8.... the possibilities are endless."

 

[63768]

thinking about it, i don't understand how one could score very poorly on the verbal section and do exceptionally well on all other sections. the MCAT is a reading and comprehension test. most of the answers can be gleaned from the passage itself, requiring little prior knowledge of the subject. granted prior knowledge helps by lending a familiarity with the subject but i don't think it can result in anything less than a 6 on any section.

i also can't understand the "i misbubbled" excuse. if you did that, you may be smart and able to understand the test but you lack common sense and reasoning that would have made you catch your misbubbling mid-test, which is equally, if not more, important than pure book smarts.

 

[Orthodoc40]

i know the perfect answer to your question.

first, there are a lot of non-traditionals out there. as in 30-year old business guys that want to be doctors. or someone from another practice that wants to be a doctor (MD). at drexel, ive even heard of DOs applying to the drexel program. these guys are not your traditional applicants that come straight from college. these non traditional applicants dont have like 5 recommendatiosn because no professor remembers them!

they probably have very minimal clinical experience and at 30 years of age, it's hard to break a 30 mcat score. hence, med schools are more lenient and show more SYMPATHY for these non-tradiationals over the traditional students who work / sweat their asses off.

second, there is a group called the URM, or in long, under represented minorities. it's probably the 2nd biggest problem in medicine today with the URM populations. in 2025, 80% of the US will be minorities!!! so med schools need to start recruiting and they will take minorities with lesser numbers than just say a traditional applicant who work/sweat their asses off.

FULL TIME Students sweat their asses off?? Please! I wish I had all day long to study for the MCAT - I would probably get in the 40's if I did! Full time students often have no idea of what hard work is. See what happens when you're out in the world trying to make mortgage payments and all the rest of it. Try working a 50 hour a week job (at the hospital - aka clinical experience), trying to pay all of your bills that Mom & Dad don't pay for anymore, playing in a semi-professional orchestra (which also means staying in good enough shape to perform well...), teaching private students, shadowing several physicians in the OR, starting a foundation for a medical mission project you got involved with, taking those pre-med classes, getting A's and working in the study time to somehow score over 30 on the MCAT.

You are truly misguided to say that nontraditional applicants don't work their asses off & full time students do. What a joke.

It is highly unlikely that medical schools show "sympathy" for non-traditional students!! If you can't keep up with the work, and you can't get similar scores on the tests, they don't give a hoot. Believe me - sympathy doesn't play any part of this from a school's standpoint.

Where did you get your concept of hard work? Its true that sometimes those from URM populations can get in with lesser scores. SOMEtimes. And the committee has good reason to believe they will make excellent physicians in spite of that fact. Its probably got nothing to do with them not working hard.

Please try to remember from now on no matter what you do in your lifetime - you have NO IDEA who you are sitting next to, and no idea of the work they have done or the struggle they have gone through to get there. Never assume that you do, cause you really truly don't.

 

[prana_md]

Okay, we're up to our eyeballs in threads b****ing about AA, but blaming non-trads for not getting in??? This is a new low.

My 30th birthday was yesterday, so I'm expecting to get really stupid any moment now ... thank god I already took the MCAT!

get out of the f***ing lab, meet some people who are older and maybe a different color than you.

Bring it.

 

[DrBowtie]

I think this line of thinking is wrong. If I am an URM for example and have the lowest scores, who cares if I am the student who entered med school with the lowest stats? who cares if other premeds speculate? I know my potential, I know how smart I am, I know the lack of resources I had while my counterparts had them plentiful, I know the quality (or lack of) of the educational institutions I attended before college (shoot...even college) I know how hard I worked to help my below poverty line family survive, I know how hard I worked period. My premed stats do not define me and they definitely do not define the kind of doctor I will be, or the type of medical student I will be. geeeshh.....

I was just saying "make sure that it isn't you" jokingly. Sorry for the lack of smilie.

 

[JG198]

Okay, we're up to our eyeballs in threads b****ing about AA, but blaming non-trads for not getting in??? This is a new low.

My 30th birthday was yesterday, so I'm expecting to get really stupid any moment now ... thank god I already took the MCAT!

get out of the f***ing lab, meet some people who are older and maybe a different color than you.

Bring it.

Well said! I am not a non-traditional but I am an URM...and yes, believe it or not people, I've worked my a** off.

 

[medhacker]

Okay, we're up to our eyeballs in threads b****ing about AA, but blaming non-trads for not getting in??? This is a new low.

My 30th birthday was yesterday, so I'm expecting to get really stupid any moment now ... thank god I already took the MCAT!

get out of the f***ing lab, meet some people who are older and maybe a different color than you.

Bring it.

Yeahh!

 

[medhacker]

I was just saying "make sure that it isn't you" jokingly. Sorry for the lack of smilie.

oh, my bad...😉

 

[RayhanS1282]

I have a 38, a 3.9 science gpa and a 12" penis.

No one likes a show off you know. 😛


Oh yeah and God forbid, if medical school doesn't pan out...I am most certain that you can make more than a lucrative career as an adult film star or break records.

 

[medhacker]

and a 12" penis.

You are officially entitled to URM status

 

[seadizzle]

lol, i'm thinking this belongs on the premed singles thread.

 

[Kitra101]

orthodoc,

i like what you said, however you seem to contradict yourself in your argument.

"Please try to remember from now on no matter what you do in your lifetime - you have NO IDEA who you are sitting next to, and no idea of the work they have done or the struggle they have gone through to get there. Never assume that you do, cause you really truly don't." <--A truly good point that I and everyone else should always consider in all aspects of life.

But previously in the same post:
"Full time students have no idea what hard work is."

Let us all take a moment to think about how these statements in the same post by the same poster preaching a message may take away from the point to the average full time student.

 

[Orthodoc40]

orthodoc,

i like what you said, however you seem to contradict yourself in your argument.

"Please try to remember from now on no matter what you do in your lifetime - you have NO IDEA who you are sitting next to, and no idea of the work they have done or the struggle they have gone through to get there. Never assume that you do, cause you really truly don't." <--A truly good point that I and everyone else should always consider in all aspects of life.

But previously in the same post:
"Full time students have no idea what hard work is."

Let us all take a moment to think about how these statements in the same post by the same poster preaching a message may take away from the point to the average full time student.

Its true - I did contradict myself at first & then edited the post after I'd thought about what I was trying to say. Guess what? I'm not perfect yet either! 😳

 

[MoosePilot]

Darn it, another school let me in because I was a non-trad. 😀

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Darn it, another school let me in because I was a non-trad. 😀

they must have taken pity on you because of your advanced age. i mean since you're so old and all, you must have been lucky to break 24 on your mcat. 🙂

 

[gdbaby]

Now let's see. I am a non-trad and URM and have no acceptances and only one interview. I am thinkning about looking on the invite thread and going to some of these schools wearing a sandwhich board that says "33 year old Native American...hello?" 😉

 

[1Path]

You are officially entitled to URM status

LMAO!!!!!!!!

What she said. ^^ And labaholic, this 30-year-old is more than happy to compete vis-a-vis with you or any other trad on MCAT score. You really don't wanna go there, dude. 🙄

👍

This has to be an SDN first. A thread which fully "intended" to be yet another AA/URM bashing thread "evolved" into a thread about a$$e$ and penis size.

 

[Anastasis]

Now let's see. I am a non-trad and URM and have no acceptances and only one interview. I am thinkning about looking on the invite thread and going to some of these schools wearing a sandwhich board that says "33 year old Native American...hello?" 😉

If you wear ONLY a sandwhich board that will help alot

But seriously, like someone said, unless everyone scores exactly the same, someone must score below the mean, it's a mathmatical necessity.

 

[organichemistry]

yeah of course someone is going to score below the mean... but a 4 in one section is sort of ridiculous.

 

[Rendar5]

Darn it, another school let me in because I was a non-trad. 😀

How do you feel now that some qualified full-time student didn't get in just cause u were let in for being a non-trad? That's goddamn reverse traditionalism, and is no better than what u're fighting against.

 

[MoosePilot]

How do you feel now that some qualified full-time student didn't get in just cause u were let in for being a non-trad? That's goddamn reverse traditionalism, and is no better than what u're fighting against.

Hey, man! The trads have been keeping us non-trads down, it's time we rise up! We can make them understand just by getting into school in numbers that delay them a few years... then they're non-trads too. If their brains stay in working order, they too can take advantage of our unfair advantage.

 

[Kitra101]

No problem! Just an observation...with a grain of salt my friend...

 

[Orthodoc40]

No problem! Just an observation...with a grain of salt my friend...

Kitra101 - Okay - yah but you were definitely right. My bad! 😎

 

[red dot]

umm... i just wanted to point out that this application process is making you guys sound-or-think as though your self-worth is measured in a set of numbers, which were only indirectly calculated by the number of correct selections--that each takes only a split second to make with a pencil--made on a standardized multiple choice test, which can not possibly measure the intelligence or worth of each unique individual in the nation.

 

[Uncle_Tbag]

umm... i just wanted to point out that this application process is making you guys sound-or-think as though your self-worth is measured in a set of numbers, which were only indirectly calculated by the number of correct selections--that each takes only a split second to make with a pencil--made on a standardized multiple choice test, which can not possibly measure the intelligence or worth of each unique individual in the nation.

The only problem is, the people in charge have to make these decisions-whether one is more qualified than the other. If you downplay "numbers" and standardized tests, the potential is there for the process to be even less fair than it is now.

 

[medhacker]

The only problem is, the people in charge have to make these decisions-whether one is more qualified than the other. If you downplay "numbers" and standardized tests, the potential is there for the process to be even less fair than it is now.

The poster's point, IMHO, was not to point out what the Job of adcoms is and whether scores are necessary, she alluded to how some people seem to be equating their SELF-WORTH to a set of numbers. Again IMHO I thin it is a shame...

 

[Herman Bloom]

I'm with you Moose..."old" airline pilot here with an acceptance in the bag. Must the the pilot thing.

 

[tigress]

rick james biatch!!!!

cocaine is a hell of a druuuuuuuuuug!!!!

he, riceman, what's up with you lately? you seem a little...insane

is Penn treating you okay? lol

 

[tanksljp]

I'm a white black guy, what do i do?

 

[MoosePilot]

I'm with you Moose..."old" airline pilot here with an acceptance in the bag. Must the the pilot thing.

Must be... but that's discrimination too! I feel like I'm completely taking advantage of 8 years of hard work to get a leg up over the traditional students who did 4 years of hard work...

 

[Kitra101]

Whats your deal moose? You have any nice things to say ever? Im sorry that life has been so hard on you, but please, whats with all the aggression to the many other traditional students who have not been rude to you? I for one feel insulted by the things that you keep saying about everything and have done nothing to be malicious towards you.

 

[gujuDoc]

Whats your deal moose? You have any nice things to say ever? Im sorry that life has been so hard on you, but please, whats with all the aggression to the many other traditional students who have not been rude to you? I for one feel insulted by the things that you keep saying about everything and have done nothing to be malicious towards you.

HE IS NOT being aggressive to ALL traditional students. He's making a stand against labaholic's stupid ignorant comments.

 

[1Path]

Must be... but that's discrimination too! I feel like I'm completely taking advantage of 8 years of hard work to get a leg up over the traditional students who did 4 years of hard work...

 

[sunnyjohn]

Non-trads of the world UNITE!

 

[QofQuimica]

Whats your deal moose? You have any nice things to say ever? Im sorry that life has been so hard on you, but please, whats with all the aggression to the many other traditional students who have not been rude to you? I for one feel insulted by the things that you keep saying about everything and have done nothing to be malicious towards you.

He's just teasing, Kitra. Don't take his sarcasm so seriously. Actually, there is quite a bit of truth to what Moose said about non-trads' life experiences being an "unfair" advantage with respect to ECs. I have 12 years of post-secondary experiences, so naturally I've done many more things during my life than a typical college student who has been out of high school for 3 or 4 years. But that doesn't buy me a free pass academically; the point of all of this hullaballoo is that non-trads *do* have to pull the same grades and test scores that trads do to get into the same schools. Med schools aren't charities, and all of the students they admit, of all ages, are high achievers in multiple ways. There are many scholastically excellent non-trads with amazing life experiences on this forum (including Moose!), and they well deserve to be admitted to med school. Conversely, there are also many highly accomplished trads who have done impressive things during their relatively young lives, all while maintaining good grades and scoring well on the MCAT. We can all agree that they certainly deserve their medical school acceptances as well.

And Moosie, you better watch yourself. Whenever there's trouble brewing, somehow you always end up at the center of it. 😉

 

[Sainttpk]

second, there is a group called the URM, or in long, under represented minorities. it's probably the 2nd biggest problem in medicine today with the URM populations. in 2025, 80% of the US will be minorities!!! so med schools need to start recruiting and they will take minorities with lesser numbers than just say a traditional applicant who work/sweat their asses off.

Forget URM's, how about all the white folks who have legacy spots at schools? I Guess no one really likes to talk about that.

Or how about all the Asians who are discriminated against for lesser qualified white applicants?

 

[MoosePilot]

Whats your deal moose? You have any nice things to say ever? Im sorry that life has been so hard on you, but please, whats with all the aggression to the many other traditional students who have not been rude to you? I for one feel insulted by the things that you keep saying about everything and have done nothing to be malicious towards you.

He's just teasing, Kitra. Don't take his sarcasm so seriously.

And Moosie, you better watch yourself. Whenever there's trouble brewing, somehow you always end up at the center of it. 😉

Yes, I'm kidding. This was an annoying thread, but then it became funny, so I keep coming back to continue poking humor at it.

Unfortunately, you've got my Tulane opinions and then this thread to form a basis of how positive or negative I am. I'm really only nasty in the Lounge and then only to people I think are return trolls.

 

[Rendar5]

Yes, I'm kidding. This was an annoying thread, but then it became funny, so I keep coming back to continue poking humor at it.

Unfortunately, you've got my Tulane opinions and then this thread to form a basis of how positive or negative I am. I'm really only nasty in the Lounge and then only to people I think are return trolls.

Well, there was Dr.Yo trying to convince me that u had a death wish for me But mousey assured me that moose was cool.