For those of you entering MSII, when do you plan on beginning board prep? Immediately, during winter break, in the spring, or after school ends? Also, do you plan on using your class notes when you study for the USMLE?
Soon to be MSIIs, when will you begin board prep?
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I just recently bought a few board review books, so am going to attempt to study simulataneously with classes. Hopefully, I can do some qbank questions on the weekends. Will see how well that actually works out.
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Lightly in tandem with class material seen through the year.
Seriously buckling down: spring.
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I was gonna do GT through the year along with a qbank (on the weekends). I was gonna really start studying more seriously in the spring. I am gonna do a course with Kaplan in the spring and DIT closer to when I will be taking the exam.
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Light review using old First Aid starting at semester, heavier when the new version of First Aid comes out (I think it's early January). Serious time starting at spring break.
I've done a couple hundred USMLERx questions, read Behavioral/Biochemistry/Pathology/Pharmacology in FA, and done 12.2% of GunnerTraining. Also, when nothing is going on, I've been listening to Goljan and I've gotten through 16 of 37 lectures.
If you think that's excessive or too early of a start, pick a question bank and do a timed, random set of questions. I'd be surprised to hear of a score higher than about 35-40% correct.
It'll light a fire under you. Even the Rx questions are hard, and they're supposed to be the super easy ones!
If you think that's excessive or too early of a start, pick a question bank and do a timed, random set of questions. I'd be surprised to hear of a score higher than about 35-40% correct.
It'll light a fire under you. Even the Rx questions are hard, and they're supposed to be the super easy ones!
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What do you expect to be getting when you haven't even learned 2/3 of the material yet?
I wouldn't recommend using board prep materials as the foundation of your knowledge. They're best used to reconstitute concepts you've thoroughly learned before. I would recommend following along with Goljan path and audio coincident with your coursework, just because he's so great at making connections and organizing the material coherently. Don't sweat the small details, you'll pick those up in subsequent read-throughs when you're studying for the boards.
Doing question banks at this point is just plain silly. All you're doing is polluting one of your most valuable tools before it can do you the most good.
As for when to start, 4-6 weeks is plenty of time if you've busted your ass throughout the year. Keep in mind that burn-out is real, and if you don't pace yourself or if you start too soon you can end up peaking too early.
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I'm very torn on this. On the one hand, the SDN culture generally promotes starting to study along with classes. On the other hand, our second years have told us to absolutely not worry about it until school is over and to focus on getting classes down.
I'm definitely not as intense as WashMe and have zero interest in "lighting a fire under myself", school does that well enough. So I'm considering just getting First Aid and the Goljan RR path so I can read the relevant chapters at the end of each unit in school, just to make sure I have the board-related details down. I think we get like 5 weeks to study, so I figured if I have already read through FA and Goljan once and taken notes, I can just start by reviewing those notes and doing questions. But yeah, I'm not sure. I don't want to overwhelm myself second year with stuff I don't have time to do, but I don't want to feel behind.
I'm definitely not as intense as WashMe and have zero interest in "lighting a fire under myself", school does that well enough. So I'm considering just getting First Aid and the Goljan RR path so I can read the relevant chapters at the end of each unit in school, just to make sure I have the board-related details down. I think we get like 5 weeks to study, so I figured if I have already read through FA and Goljan once and taken notes, I can just start by reviewing those notes and doing questions. But yeah, I'm not sure. I don't want to overwhelm myself second year with stuff I don't have time to do, but I don't want to feel behind.
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Well, all I'm planning on doing is using FA / RR / whatever else to help really learn all that board-heavy material as I see it in class, so essentially it's double-dipping in the form of getting stuff down as best I can on the first pass. I did the FA thing for M1 and it helped in class, so I figure it can only help for M2.
I talked about this with my advisor, and he said to focus on classes and just learn the material cold. I've also asked around (there's a thread in the Step 1 section of SDN), and most people seem to agree with that, as well as supplementing classes with FA and Goljan RR Path.
I have a 2009 copy of FA, so I am going to annotate it while I go through classes and make sure that if the instructors don't cover everything I look it up elsewhere. I also just ordered the Robbins question book, so I'm going to do those questions along with classes. I have Goljan path but I haven't started reading it yet since I mostly use Robbins and other textbooks.
From what I've heard, class notes are a no go for boards prep because they'll undoubtedly have instructor-biased extraneous material, or will leave out things that are tested on the boards. However, this may vary for different schools; if your school teaches to the boards you may be fine. My school is research heavy and we have many researchers give lectures, so it definitely doesn't teach to the boards.
Over Thanksgiving break I'm going to start organizing first year material, and start reviewing over Christmas break. In January I'll get a 3 month Q bank, then in the spring I'll seriously settle down with FA 2011.
Goljan audio lectures are great (he is so funny)! I've been listening to them passively while at the gym or when I go for a run. I say passively because I haven't covered a lot of the material as yet so I don't expect to fully understand everything he talks about. For instance, from yesterday's run I remember that if you see a kidney mass in a child, it's Wilm's tumor, but if it's an adult, it's renal cell carcinoma (or something like that). So while I don't really know the details of this as yet, when I see it in class it won't be as new.
Anyway, I'll be writing about my MS11 experiences and well as my boards prep on my blog (I actually started blogging specifically for this purpose), so please feel free to check it out!
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I have a 2009 copy of FA, so I am going to annotate it while I go through classes and make sure that if the instructors don't cover everything I look it up elsewhere. I also just ordered the Robbins question book, so I'm going to do those questions along with classes. I have Goljan path but I haven't started reading it yet since I mostly use Robbins and other textbooks.
From what I've heard, class notes are a no go for boards prep because they'll undoubtedly have instructor-biased extraneous material, or will leave out things that are tested on the boards. However, this may vary for different schools; if your school teaches to the boards you may be fine. My school is research heavy and we have many researchers give lectures, so it definitely doesn't teach to the boards.
Over Thanksgiving break I'm going to start organizing first year material, and start reviewing over Christmas break. In January I'll get a 3 month Q bank, then in the spring I'll seriously settle down with FA 2011.
Goljan audio lectures are great (he is so funny)! I've been listening to them passively while at the gym or when I go for a run. I say passively because I haven't covered a lot of the material as yet so I don't expect to fully understand everything he talks about. For instance, from yesterday's run I remember that if you see a kidney mass in a child, it's Wilm's tumor, but if it's an adult, it's renal cell carcinoma (or something like that). So while I don't really know the details of this as yet, when I see it in class it won't be as new.
Anyway, I'll be writing about my MS11 experiences and well as my boards prep on my blog (I actually started blogging specifically for this purpose), so please feel free to check it out!
http://www.heightsofgreatones.blogspot.com
Tales or medical school, USMLE Step 1 prep etc.
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I'm in a tough spot, because my school has an "accelerated" preclinical curriculum, meaning we take the boards in Feb and start rotations in March. And we only get 3 weeks off to study!
The older students at my school say not to get too worked up about this in advance, but I'm really starting to worry. How can I possibly do well with so little time to study?
The older students at my school say not to get too worked up about this in advance, but I'm really starting to worry. How can I possibly do well with so little time to study?
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We start 2nd year on monday. I gotta say, classes don't scare me as we started systems at the end of 1st year so I know what to expect. The impending board exams are what scares me. To get through classes last year I felt like I put every minute I could without going crazy into it, I just don't see where the time for board review comes from.
Plus I don't feel like I've retained 99% of the information we've covered.
The tentitive plan so far is reading the corresponding chapters in FA 2010 and RR path as we go through each system, and I'm contemplating getting USMELRx problem bank and doing the relevant questions from each system as we go, but who knows? Mandatory lectures that run basically from 8:30 - 5:30 almost every day; After studying the lectures enough to pass the exam, how is there time for anything else?
Plus I don't feel like I've retained 99% of the information we've covered.
The tentitive plan so far is reading the corresponding chapters in FA 2010 and RR path as we go through each system, and I'm contemplating getting USMELRx problem bank and doing the relevant questions from each system as we go, but who knows? Mandatory lectures that run basically from 8:30 - 5:30 almost every day; After studying the lectures enough to pass the exam, how is there time for anything else?
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this minus the Kaplan course - I'll do GT and probably the USMLERx QBank during the year, and then get UWorld closer to the exam - depending on how I feel with GT and review books, I may or may not get DIT, but no Kaplan
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I agree that doing well in class is my #1 priority. Any excess study time that does not lead to near burnout status will utilize FA and Goljan RR in tandem w/ classes (maybe just before tests or quizzes). In addition I may use FA Q&A for a cheap way to get some practice Qs if I want some first semester (maybe on weekends or before unit tests).
2nd semester Ill step things up w/ Uworld 3 mo subscription and more intense board study.
I want to enjoy 2nd year though, I dont want it to turn into a yr. long paranoid board fest. Gotta keep that balance. Ill leave the extreme intensity for the few weeks before the exam.
2nd semester Ill step things up w/ Uworld 3 mo subscription and more intense board study.
I want to enjoy 2nd year though, I dont want it to turn into a yr. long paranoid board fest. Gotta keep that balance. Ill leave the extreme intensity for the few weeks before the exam.
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We start 2nd year on monday. I gotta say, classes don't scare me as we started systems at the end of 1st year so I know what to expect. The impending board exams are what scares me. To get through classes last year I felt like I put every minute I could without going crazy into it, I just don't see where the time for board review comes from.
Plus I don't feel like I've retained 99% of the information we've covered.
The tentitive plan so far is reading the corresponding chapters in FA 2010 and RR path as we go through each system, and I'm contemplating getting USMELRx problem bank and doing the relevant questions from each system as we go, but who knows? Mandatory lectures that run basically from 8:30 - 5:30 almost every day; After studying the lectures enough to pass the exam, how is there time for anything else?
I agree, I spent all my time last year just learning the stuff from class. No clue where I will find the extra study time.
And yeah.. I don't think I remember much from the previous year too. 🙁
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I tried to start studying in Spring and ran into this exact problem. The 6 weeks or so after MSII is definitely enough time to study for Step 1. Just make sure you study ridiculously for your last set of finals so those subjects will be taken care of first.
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Fall: Occasional review of old topics that I've completely forgotten (biochem for example) and using UWorld questions to review microbio and immuno.
Spring: start off with a regular routine in January, go hardcore 3 months before my exam date
Throughout the pathology course I'm gonna use UWorld to supplement everything I do on my first pass around and then spend the last three months doing it again on my second pass, but hopefully with better results.
Also I realize some people have trouble with spending most of their time studying for stuff during classes... that's also a potential concern of mine... but I feel like if I budget my time and study stuff that's relevant during each section it'll make it MUCH easier.
Spring: start off with a regular routine in January, go hardcore 3 months before my exam date
Throughout the pathology course I'm gonna use UWorld to supplement everything I do on my first pass around and then spend the last three months doing it again on my second pass, but hopefully with better results.
Also I realize some people have trouble with spending most of their time studying for stuff during classes... that's also a potential concern of mine... but I feel like if I budget my time and study stuff that's relevant during each section it'll make it MUCH easier.
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Ill do the free wikitest sometimes for fun, but as someone mentioned I havent even seen all of the material yet.
I have bought some of the "must-haves" and use them along with my course work. To be honest I havent taken notes since first semester, I just bring the review books to my lecture and annotate into the books. I feel like the less sources you have the better! Then when the exam rolls around you just read the review book and have your extras and clarifications already in those books. 🙂
Ya'll should see my BRS phys, its a masterpiece haha
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Studying hard during the year but not board prep, buckling down after school ends, and definitely no class notes.
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I am doing a little bit of USMLERx every day, but I'm only doing those topics that I've already covered (anatomy, biochem, physio). I will do the other topics as I cover them in micro and path. I use the answers to annotate FA when necessary. I sort of want to try the Taus method so I'm trying to annotate FA with info from that booklist as well. Will do Goljan audio + Review of Path + Rapid Review throughout the year.
I will switch to UWorld at some point, not sure if I should pick at it in little pieces starting in Jan or just do it in one big bolus when it's time for dedicated board study...
I will switch to UWorld at some point, not sure if I should pick at it in little pieces starting in Jan or just do it in one big bolus when it's time for dedicated board study...
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My school is giving us ~4 wks for board prep between end of class and start of clinicals, so I am going to approach this year as doing well in class + end of block review of the materials just covered with an eye toward the boards using review materials and/or kaplan q bank. Hopefully that will mean that I can really just hit the boards hard for 3 wks, take the exam, and then get at least a little break. Most of the MS3s this year took the exam and started clinical orientation the following day. I think that's inhumane, and I'd like to avoid it if at all possible. 😛
It was funny hearing the attendings wonder if this years crop of MS3s were off the short bus though, since the attendings didn't realize the students were just fried from board prep. They got better.
It was funny hearing the attendings wonder if this years crop of MS3s were off the short bus though, since the attendings didn't realize the students were just fried from board prep. They got better.
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I don't get the philosophy of NOT doing any board practice in lieu of focusing all attention on class.
Isn't reviewing Goljan RR path (etc.) the equivalent of studying for the class? So I can only think that it will *help* class tests, and in the end of course, be beneficial for the actual boards.
So my plan is to get through each Goljan RR section before the equivalent class exam. Haven't decided whether to do UWorld concurrently or not. (Mostly an issue of time). If I could do UWorld concurrently, and get through each section along w/ Goljan before the class exam, I can't imagine not doing well.
Plus I'm not worried about "saving" the material that much, 'cuz honestly- unless you can redo UWorld and get 100% of the 3000 Qs (which people don't even do! A lot post 2nd pass %s of 80%-90% etc.... so that means there's 300 Qs people are still getting wrong!)- unless you can do that, it really means that a 2nd (and 3rd) pass is still teaching you something.
So I definitely don't anticipate being one of those rare people who gets everything out of UWorld 1st pass... ergo, no use "saving" it for dedicated study time. I don't plan on doing it random either. If I do it concurrently with class, I'm going to do it by section. Then do random pass during dedicated study time.
Yeah... so I TRIED to review a little this summer, but it didn't really pan out. I got through a bit of anatomy, but really not as much as I would have liked. Oh screw this.
I AM SO NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO MSII. Who is with me??
I mean, I'm actually sort of looking forward to Step 1 studying with our dedicated study time... but just not looking forward to all the stupid lectures and mandatory attendance of the actual coursework. I JUST WANT TO BE A 3RD YEAR.
Le sigh.
Isn't reviewing Goljan RR path (etc.) the equivalent of studying for the class? So I can only think that it will *help* class tests, and in the end of course, be beneficial for the actual boards.
So my plan is to get through each Goljan RR section before the equivalent class exam. Haven't decided whether to do UWorld concurrently or not. (Mostly an issue of time). If I could do UWorld concurrently, and get through each section along w/ Goljan before the class exam, I can't imagine not doing well.
Plus I'm not worried about "saving" the material that much, 'cuz honestly- unless you can redo UWorld and get 100% of the 3000 Qs (which people don't even do! A lot post 2nd pass %s of 80%-90% etc.... so that means there's 300 Qs people are still getting wrong!)- unless you can do that, it really means that a 2nd (and 3rd) pass is still teaching you something.
So I definitely don't anticipate being one of those rare people who gets everything out of UWorld 1st pass... ergo, no use "saving" it for dedicated study time. I don't plan on doing it random either. If I do it concurrently with class, I'm going to do it by section. Then do random pass during dedicated study time.
Yeah... so I TRIED to review a little this summer, but it didn't really pan out.
I got through a bit of anatomy, but really not as much as I would have liked. Oh screw this. I AM SO NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO MSII. Who is with me??
I mean, I'm actually sort of looking forward to Step 1 studying with our dedicated study time... but just not looking forward to all the stupid lectures and mandatory attendance of the actual coursework. I JUST WANT TO BE A 3RD YEAR.
Le sigh.
I feel (hope) that Step 1 is going to be similar to the MCAT, ACT, SAT, and every other standardized admissions or licensing exam in the sense of very little of the material can be consciously recalled at the start of prep, but it starts coming out once I start reviewing the material. There's a big difference between looking at material and thinking, "I've never seen this before" and "Oh, I remember that now."
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I'm thinking Uworld bc apparently its the gold standard for qbanks. I heard its a little tougher than the real thing too. Plus it forces you to think 3-4 steps deeper which can only solidify the material you're learning right now.
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I suddenly feel so much better. I did a practice test and got about 35% correct 🙁 uggghhh.
So do our second years. I don't know how I feel about it though.
We only get about 3.5 weeks to study for Step 1 assuming we use every possible vacation day between second year and third year.
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Don't worry. My first UWorld practice test at the end of the year was in the high 30's, if I recall.
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I'm just glad to see from this thread that <4 wk prep times are not uncommon...makes it seem doable.
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Reading this thread makes me so glad to be done with step 1.
After your first 2-3 days of real, dedicated hard-core 12 hour step 1 study sessions, you realize that 4 weeks is a LOT of time. You don't/won't want to be studying balls-out for 2 months straight, trust me.
After your first 2-3 days of real, dedicated hard-core 12 hour step 1 study sessions, you realize that 4 weeks is a LOT of time. You don't/won't want to be studying balls-out for 2 months straight, trust me.
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Oh yeah, you are 110% correct, I'm sure. I'm not even a happy 3 day hard-core studier, much less for a month. I don't operate that way. It's just a little scary to know that there isn't much wiggle room. I'm afraid of getting down to it in June, only to realize that I'm going to need an extra week or something and not have it available (without pushing back rotations or something).
But ultimately you have to take the test when you have to take it - I know my deadline, I have several months to accommodate it, which is why I'll be incorporating board review as I go along.
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Dude, this depends on how well you actually mastered/retained the material of the 1st 2 yrs, doesn't it? 😛
I'm one of those people who does NOT retain little factoids/trivia mostly 'cuz I'm so dreadfully uninterested in it. Especially when it pertains to biology. (I can memorize foreign language vocab words like nobody's business tho'.. which is weird, and probably indicative of my theory that a lot of it is about interest level...)
So the only way to drill enough of those fussy little bio details I hate in my head to do "well" on Step would be for me to start waaaaay in advance.
I know I would do "horribly" if I were to hold off on studying until dedicated study time.
Why do I know this? I started wading through BRS Anatomy this summer (I sucked at anatomy, excepting head & neck, so I figured it would be a good review)... and seriously I'll be lucky if I make it through this ONE review book!
I could spend 12 hrs on 1 damn chapter of "lower limb anatomy" and still not feel like I've got most of the material...
...So... something doesn't add up here. Either y'all are just waaay better at memorization than me, or else the people who are "cramming" in 3-4 wks really just aren't mastering the material at the level of detail, which I would like to do (in theory).
A.k.a. people THINK they know more than they do after a "mere" 12 hr day of studying 😉
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I don't get the philosophy of NOT doing any board practice in lieu of focusing all attention on class.
Isn't reviewing Goljan RR path (etc.) the equivalent of studying for the class? So I can only think that it will *help* class tests, and in the end of course, be beneficial for the actual boards.
So my plan is to get through each Goljan RR section before the equivalent class exam. Haven't decided whether to do UWorld concurrently or not. (Mostly an issue of time). If I could do UWorld concurrently, and get through each section along w/ Goljan before the class exam, I can't imagine not doing well.
Plus I'm not worried about "saving" the material that much, 'cuz honestly- unless you can redo UWorld and get 100% of the 3000 Qs (which people don't even do! A lot post 2nd pass %s of 80%-90% etc.... so that means there's 300 Qs people are still getting wrong!)- unless you can do that, it really means that a 2nd (and 3rd) pass is still teaching you something.
So I definitely don't anticipate being one of those rare people who gets everything out of UWorld 1st pass... ergo, no use "saving" it for dedicated study time. I don't plan on doing it random either. If I do it concurrently with class, I'm going to do it by section. Then do random pass during dedicated study time.
Yeah... so I TRIED to review a little this summer, but it didn't really pan out.
I AM SO NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO MSII. Who is with me??
I mean, I'm actually sort of looking forward to Step 1 studying with our dedicated study time... but just not looking forward to all the stupid lectures and mandatory attendance of the actual coursework. I JUST WANT TO BE A 3RD YEAR.
Le sigh.
you just summarized my thoughts nicely.
my plan for MS2 is to read goljan for each system we study in class and do the relevant UWorld questions. i also have first aid and will probably read that before each exam too since its really not a lot to read per section.
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Sure, that's the idea behind doing well in the first 2 years. You may not be able to recite facts like you did the day after some block test, but the knowledge is there and comes back much faster the harder you pushed yourself during the first 2 years.
If you have a problem with knowledge retention, I think you're going to find a 2-month study schedule to be like painting the Firth bridge - by the time you get through 6 weeks, you won't remember whatever it is you started with. You don't have the time to start from scratch 2 months out - on some level, you're going to have to trust in the knowledge you've already accumulated and use that to be more efficient in studying.
So I guess we agree - the only way to do well is to start waaaaay in advance. I just happen to think that begins during first year, not 2 months out from the test. Board study is about refreshing your knowledge, not relearning it, and (at least for me) 6-8 weeks ago is not fresh.
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Ive already told you...red bull
Are you still using GT and Rx for the year?
That's not a bad reason. The consensus I get is that USMLE Rx is more straightforward, serving to reinforce the basic knowledge that is in first aid. USMLE World is more representative of the USMLE and should be used closer to the test date, where you actually have studied and have the info to use these questions effectively.
I just purchased a subscription to Rx just recently.
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Thus far in the relatively few questions I've done it seems to correlate fairly wwell. There is definitely some information that is not in first aid, but thats why I keep FA and a pencil handy after I get through a series of questions, annotate baby.
And I love doing problems. Give me 4 hours of problems over one hour of studying pharm any day.
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I started listening to Goljan's cell injury today, and I plan on using him as needed. If I get a wild hare, I might go back and review some topic or another that I didn't learn well on the first pass through in MS1 (such as renal physiology). I also need to dig out my FA and start taking a serious look at it. I'm mostly concerned about learning how to integrate all this information. Also, all you guys are convincing me that I basically fail at life 🙂
