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Speaking of ipo

It’s too bad usap never went public in 2017. Lots of those original Houston orlando and Dallas 2013-2014 partners were sold on the idea they would get another 3-5 million in stocks in addition to their agreed buyout price of 2 million.

Can you image buying usap stock say at $10-12 a share only to have it worth nothing??
 
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Would you rather own Tesla or Space X? Both companies have a ridiculous, fantastic valuation. Robots for Tesla and Starlink/Data Centers for Space X.

I'd rather own neither at this point. But I own some TSLA via index funds. And eventually I guess I'll own some SpaceX.


Define OK

Apple went public at under $2 billion and 15 times revenue in 1980. SpaceX wants you to buy at $2 trillion and 100 times revenue in 2026.

Anthropic, Open AI are also planning IPOs. Google/Alphabet is planning a secondary stock offering to fund AI.

Anybody think that maybe that these things are an exit strategy for insiders?

This is a dangerous neighborhood. Meanwhile Berkshire Hathaway has more cash than ever $400 Billion.

If this isn't the "greedy" side of the of the fearful/greedy coin I don't know what is.

I'm torn between "nobody knows anything and therefore I should own a piece of everything" and "this is clearly very, very ****ed up and fragile and nonsensical" ...

Space data centers. Jesus. ****ing. Christ. I'd rather own tulip bulbs.
 
I'd rather own neither at this point. But I own some TSLA via index funds. And eventually I guess I'll own some SpaceX.




If this isn't the "greedy" side of the of the fearful/greedy coin I don't know what is.

I'm torn between "nobody knows anything and therefore I should own a piece of everything" and "this is clearly very, very ****ed up and fragile and nonsensical" ...

Space data centers. Jesus. ****ing. Christ. I'd rather own tulip bulbs.
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I'd rather own neither at this point. But I own some TSLA via index funds. And eventually I guess I'll own some SpaceX.




If this isn't the "greedy" side of the of the fearful/greedy coin I don't know what is.

I'm torn between "nobody knows anything and therefore I should own a piece of everything" and "this is clearly very, very ****ed up and fragile and nonsensical" ...

Space data centers. Jesus. ****ing. Christ. I'd rather own tulip bulbs.
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  • The SpaceX IPO raised a total of $85.7 billion after underwriters exercised the “greenshoe” overallotment.
  • SpaceX’s brokers, which include Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, had the option to buy an additional 83.3 million shares.
  • Elon Musk’s company had a set price of $135 per share in the offering.
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“I think that with now being valued at $2 trillion, I think it’s going to be valued in 10 years at $20 trillion, $30 trillion, $40 trillion,” Baron said.

The veteran investor argued that Musk’s ambitions extend beyond building a successful aerospace company.

“Normally, our economy doubles roughly every 10 years,” he said. “What he thinks is, by the innovations and the work that he’s doing, he’s going to make the economy grow 10 times in 10 years, not double.”
 
People said building an electrical care company was impossible. People said building a car company was impossible. People said reusable rockets were impossible. People said landing on a boat was impossible. People said catching with chopsticks was impossible. People said FSD was impossible.

Musk will end as one of the most influential/important person in our lifetime and I do not think this is even debatable.

Bulls have made lots of $$$ and bears have been ravaged. Bet against him at your own risk.
No one is saying it's impossible. Just not economically viable, impractical.
 

“I think that with now being valued at $2 trillion, I think it’s going to be valued in 10 years at $20 trillion, $30 trillion, $40 trillion,” Baron said.

The veteran investor argued that Musk’s ambitions extend beyond building a successful aerospace company.

“Normally, our economy doubles roughly every 10 years,” he said. “What he thinks is, by the innovations and the work that he’s doing, he’s going to make the economy grow 10 times in 10 years, not double.”


What does 10X’ing our economy mean? Is it desirable for the average Joe?
 
No one is saying it's impossible. Just not economically viable, impractical.
I am not smart enough or have the energy to debate something in the future that is unprovable. I rather take people who are willing to put in billions who likely have researched the viability over a bunch of SDN space "experts" whose expertise is medicine.

I doubt Ron Baron or Cathy Woods would be putting in Billions of their own/company $$$ if they did not see a strong path to profitability. As I always say, if someone really believes something then they should be able to make lots of $$$$. If you do not think it is viable/practical, then you should be shorting or doing bearish options. You would be as rich as those who shorted Tesla when they all said Tesla was a Meme stock worth less than Ford.
 
I am not smart enough or have the energy to debate something in the future that is unprovable. I rather take people who are willing to put in billions who likely have researched the viability over a bunch of SDN space "experts" whose expertise is medicine.

It's OK to think for yourself.

You may be surprised, but lots of doctors have previous lives before medicine in which they acquired knowledge or expertise that permits them to speak knowledgeably about non-medical topics.

You may also be surprised, that a significant percentage of the people who are putting $billions into _________ are fully aware that _________ isn't going to work in the long term, but that there's potential for extraction of money from other people in the short term, before they abandon ship.

Again, I'm not "betting against Musk" - I'm actually not betting at all. And he may very well profit from this idiotic "space data center" gold rush
- by selling rocket launch shovels to ....
- satellite makers who are selling the space-data-center shovels to ...
- AI startups thirsty for compute capacity who are angling for a buyout while selling chatbot shovels to ...
- etc
all fueled by retail investors pouring money into an idea they are convinced is viable because "people are willing to put in billions who likely have researched the viability" ...


I hope you profit in the short term and get out in time, because orbital data centers are the most obviously stupid idea to come along in, oh, at least a couple weeks. The grift is multiple layers deep and SOME people will extract money from the churn.

I doubt Ron Baron or Cathy Woods would be putting in Billions of their own/company $$$ if they did not see a strong path to profitability. As I always say, if someone really believes something then they should be able to make lots of $$$$. If you do not think it is viable/practical, then you should be shorting or doing bearish options. You would be as rich as those who shorted Tesla when they all said Tesla was a Meme stock worth less than Ford.
Regarding shorting: the market can remain irrational longer than anyone can remain solvent.

Remember that famous shorter, Michael Burry, who shorted the housing market before the crash, and made a bunch of money? Minor detail in that story - he was losing enormous amounts of money paying the premiums, and was on the edge of getting the rug pulled out from under him when the market proved him correct, just in time. It's not enough to be RIGHT when you short something, you have to be right at the right time, and be willing to accept high risk, which often shows up.

In any case, there's another option for people who do not think something is viable/practical, beyond "shorting or bearish options" - just don't buy the stock. That's a little difficult if you favor index funds, but it's possible to limit the exposure to some degree.
 
All that said - I think SpaceX has an amazingly bright future, especially if they get rapid reuse of Starship working. Their absolute domination of launch capacity at very low cost is extremely valuable, because there really is at least one extremely profitable space-based service: communications. Starlink is amazing. Out here in the sticks, without Starlink, we'd be stuck with slow and spotty cellular hotspot, or the now-defunct local sorta-broadband wireless company that only works reliably when the trees don't have leaves on them. I'd willingly pay 2x what Starlink costs.

Whether SpaceX is worth the current or anticipated stock valuation, or what level that stock will be trading at in five years, are entirely different questions, to which I am comfortably agnostic.
 
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Betting against Elon at this point in time is like betting against Michael Jordan during his peak with the Bulls. Nearly every Fortune 500 CEO says Musk is the greatest businessman/entrepreneur of all time. I get it if you are a passive investor (which I am) and prefer index funds (like I do), but to actively avoid a Musk company sounds really dumb.

Zip 2: sold for $300M
PayPal: sold for $1.5B
Boring Co: $7B
Neuralink: $10B
Tesla: $1T
Space X: $2T

edit: I forgot - co-founded OpenAI
 
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Betting against Elon at this point in time is like betting against Michael Jordan during his peak with the Bulls. Nearly every Fortune 500 CEO says Musk is the greatest businessman/entrepreneur of all time. I get it if you are a passive investor (which I am) and prefer index funds (like I do), but to actively avoid a Musk company sounds really dumb.

Zip 2: sold for $300M
PayPal: sold for $1.5B
Boring Co: $7B
Neuralink: $10B
Tesla: $1T
Space X: $2T

edit: I forgot - co-founded OpenAI
It is possible to pay too much even for the best of companies.
 
Betting against Elon at this point in time is like betting against Michael Jordan during his peak with the Bulls. Nearly every Fortune 500 CEO says Musk is the greatest businessman/entrepreneur of all time. I get it if you are a passive investor (which I am) and prefer index funds (like I do), but to actively avoid a Musk company sounds really dumb.

Zip 2: sold for $300M
PayPal: sold for $1.5B
Boring Co: $7B
Neuralink: $10B
Tesla: $1T
Space X: $2T

edit: I forgot - co-founded OpenAI
This reminds of a debate I had with a friend about 6 yrs ago during Covid right when he was about to buy Twitter.

I was told that Musk was one of the worst businessman/Ponzi and that he never created anything.

I pointed out that he was the owner/CEO of multiple billion dollar companies. Sometimes people's politics just blinds them on how he is the top CEO/innovator of mount rushmore of our generation. It is not even debatable IMO.

Musk became the 1st Trillionaire last week and NW more than the next 5 combined. That is like saying Michael Jordan was a terrible basketball player eventhough every metric says otherwise.
 
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I am not smart enough or have the energy to debate something in the future that is unprovable. I rather take people who are willing to put in billions who likely have researched the viability over a bunch of SDN space "experts" whose expertise is medicine.

I doubt Ron Baron or Cathy Woods would be putting in Billions of their own/company $$$ if they did not see a strong path to profitability. As I always say, if someone really believes something then they should be able to make lots of $$$$. If you do not think it is viable/practical, then you should be shorting or doing bearish options. You would be as rich as those who shorted Tesla when they all said Tesla was a Meme stock worth less than Ford.
Fund managers like Cathie Wood are specifically known for placing massive, high-risk, high-reward bets on disruptive, speculative technologies. Their funds are designed to absorb massive losses on some ideas in exchange for exponential gains on others, a risk profile that individual retail investors usually cannot survive.
 
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This reminds of a debate I had with a friend about 6 yrs ago during Covid right when he was about to buy Twitter.

I was told that Musk was one of the worst businessman/Ponzi and that he never created anything.

I pointed out that he was the owner/CEO of multiple billion dollar companies. Sometimes people's politics just blinds them on how he is the top CEO/innovator of mount rushmore of our generation. It is not even debatable IMO.

Musk became the 1st Trillionaire last week and NW more than the next 5 combined. That is like saying Michael Jordan was a terrible basketball player eventhough every metric says otherwise.
Standing alone Buying twitter was not profitable. Owning it has had a lot of ancillary benefits.
 
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Standing alone Buying twitter was not profitable. Owning it has had a lot of ancillary benefits.
Musk knew the economics did not make sense and he wanted to back out but went too far down the rabbit hole. But he understood the benefits outside of economics and IMO proven successful. What is a $45B purchase to someone worth 1.4T?

Crazy to think that SpaceX is on par with amazon in valuation. Musk is the CEO of the 5th &10th most valuable publicly traded companies in the world.
 
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Betting against Elon at this point in time is like betting against Michael Jordan during his peak with the Bulls. Nearly every Fortune 500 CEO says Musk is the greatest businessman/entrepreneur of all time. I get it if you are a passive investor (which I am) and prefer index funds (like I do), but to actively avoid a Musk company sounds really dumb.

Zip 2: sold for $300M
PayPal: sold for $1.5B
Boring Co: $7B
Neuralink: $10B
Tesla: $1T
Space X: $2T

edit: I forgot - co-founded OpenAI

I'm in full agreement that Musk has done a remarkable job of getting rich and building highly valued companies. I'm agnostic about any given company's valuation and when/if the stock should be bought or sold.

There's a weird undercurrent of FOMO in all of these threads. (The Bitcoin one, too.) Get on board and buy the stock or you'll MISS OUT!!!

The truth is I don't need to hit any home runs on any of these IPOs or Musk companies. Maybe, if I let SDN talk me into believing I needed a low-mid 8-figure portfolio to retire, I'd be making these kinds of bets.
 



I don't understand the valuation on this company. Musk/Space X mania is not based on current earnings (they are not profitable) but rather 2028 or 2030 earnings. But, speculators are driving the stock price way up. By next week the stock will be 2 X the IPO price.
 
I'm in full agreement that Musk has done a remarkable job of getting rich and building highly valued companies. I'm agnostic about any given company's valuation and when/if the stock should be bought or sold.

There's a weird undercurrent of FOMO in all of these threads. (The Bitcoin one, too.) Get on board and buy the stock or you'll MISS OUT!!!

The truth is I don't need to hit any home runs on any of these IPOs or Musk companies. Maybe, if I let SDN talk me into believing I needed a low-mid 8-figure portfolio to retire, I'd be making these kinds of bets.
I'll take my value stocks and lower risk ETFs over Space X. But if you want a high flyer like Space X plan to keep the investment small and cash out of a portion of the shares once you have made enough profit. 2026 looks more and more like 1999 to me every day.
 



I don't understand the valuation on this company. Musk/Space X mania is not based on current earnings (they are not profitable) but rather 2028 or 2030 earnings. But, speculators are driving the stock price way up. By next week the stock will be 2 X the IPO price.


I plan to get a decent allocation when the stock comes back to earth.
 
I'll take my value stocks and lower risk ETFs over Space X. But if you want a high flyer like Space X plan to keep the investment small and cash out of a portion of the shares once you have made enough profit. 2026 looks more and more like 1999 to me every day.

Your also at work for fun and pleasure levels of wealth. The fact that you work full time instead of using your portfolio to live off of gives much more ability to take risk if you wanted or did not. Some of the young guns are wanting something outside there core allocations like index funds to propel them to a FIRE lifestyle.
 
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I'm in full agreement that Musk has done a remarkable job of getting rich and building highly valued companies. I'm agnostic about any given company's valuation and when/if the stock should be bought or sold.

There's a weird undercurrent of FOMO in all of these threads. (The Bitcoin one, too.) Get on board and buy the stock or you'll MISS OUT!!!

The truth is I don't need to hit any home runs on any of these IPOs or Musk companies. Maybe, if I let SDN talk me into believing I needed a low-mid 8-figure portfolio to retire, I'd be making these kinds of bets.
No one is telling you to buy. People are just giving praise when it is due. Some are willing to take the risk, some are not so best to buy indexes. Just opinions but no one is telling people to buy it.
 
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No one is telling you to buy. People are just giving praise when it is due. Some are willing to take the risk, some are not so best to buy indexes. Just opinions but no one is telling people to buy it.
I'll give Elon some praise: I actually think the cyber truck is freaking awesome! I don't care that it's not great at all the "pickup truck" things, but to envision something so unusual and out of the box, and then to put it on the market, I just think it takes a lot of guts and talent and vision. Now, you could say that the political climate has made them virtually worthless, but that's beside the point. And I'm SUPER liberal.
 
It's a situation where I pinch my nose and just ride the wave. He's not may favorite person in the world but it's hard to knock his ideas and vision. I think there's potential in Space X even if I can't exactly voice what that feasible potential could be. The sci-fi nerd in me sees lots of things (communications, tourism (for the wealthy), space elevators lol......sorry, I watch way too much For All Mankind).
 
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I am not smart enough or have the energy to debate something in the future that is unprovable. I rather take people who are willing to put in billions who likely have researched the viability over a bunch of SDN space "experts" whose expertise is medicine.

I doubt Ron Baron or Cathy Woods would be putting in Billions of their own/company $$$ if they did not see a strong path to profitability. As I always say, if someone really believes something then they should be able to make lots of $$$$. If you do not think it is viable/practical, then you should be shorting or doing bearish options. You would be as rich as those who shorted Tesla when they all said Tesla was a Meme stock worth less than Ford.
Orbital data centers would conceivably need routine maintenance. A lot of hardware has a finite lifespan. Who's going to service it when something breaks?
 
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Musk is planning on selling billions and billions worth of shares to the public. The initial IPO was just a small portion of the total float.
 
SpaceX currently has approximately 13.08 billion total shares outstanding following its initial public offering. The massive total share count reflects the company's $135 IPO pricing and its resulting valuation of well over $2 trillion. [1, 2]
The outstanding stock is distributed with the following key details:
  • Public Float: The IPO offering covered roughly 4% of the total shares outstanding.
  • Private/Insider Holdings: The remaining 96% of shares belong to Elon Musk, early backers, and SpaceX employees.
  • Total Raised: Underwriters exercised their greenshoe (overallotment) option to buy an additional 83.3 million shares, bringing the total raised in the historic offering to $85.7 billion
 
This means there are very few SpaceX shares available for trading, but there is also massive demand, not only from institutional and retail investors, but also (potentially) from index funds that track the Nasdaq-100. Jim Cramer thinks that mismatch could drive SpaceX's market valuation to $6 trillion.

Ron Baron says SpaceX stock could hit $14 trillion as orbital AI data centers drive revenue growth

 

Vanguard has screwed me over with Space X whether I want it or not because I own a ton in Vanguard Low cost ETFs/Index funds.

S&P500 has a 1yr waiting period before it gets added to funds which track it, so you have time to pull out of some of those investments if you really want to and find alternatives.

So sell VOO if you want to I guess?
 
S&P500 has a 1yr waiting period before it gets added to funds which track it, so you have time to pull out of some of those investments if you really want to and find alternatives.

So sell VOO if you want to I guess?
By the 1 year mark the hype will die down and the price will return to a more normal valuation, which would actually be a good time to buy in. I will trust the folks over at Vanguard, who own 80% of my portfolio, to do what's best.
 
By the 1 year mark the hype will die down and the price will return to a more normal valuation, which would actually be a good time to buy in. I will trust the folks over at Vanguard, who own 80% of my portfolio, to do what's best.
CRSP market indexes, Nasdaq, FTSE Russell, and MSCI have all made accommodations to integrate SpaceX within their large-cap trackers. Given SpaceX’s monstrous $2.7 trillion market cap – the fifth biggest company in the world after Tuesday’s 4.5% rally – it’s likely to raise index-level volatility.

If you hold broad-market Vanguard funds in a 401(k) or IRA, you will likely gain automatic exposure to SpaceX without needing to buy the stock directly. This exposure will be managed according to the methodology of the underlying index, such as those provided by CRSP, FTSE, or MSCI.
 
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CRSP market indexes, Nasdaq, FTSE Russell, and MSCI have all made accommodations to integrate SpaceX within their large-cap trackers. Given SpaceX’s monstrous $2.7 trillion market cap – the fifth biggest company in the world after Tuesday’s 4.5% rally – it’s likely to raise index-level volatility.

If you hold broad-market Vanguard funds in a 401(k) or IRA, you will likely gain automatic exposure to SpaceX without needing to buy the stock directly. This exposure will be managed according to the methodology of the underlying index, such as those provided by CRSP, FTSE, or MSCI.
True, but not until after the lockup expires. If you have unrealized gains in a taxable account this is an issue. At the least don’t reinvest dividend and cap gain distributions. If you don’t tilt towards value. Move 401k dollars out of target date funds-especially if you have a brokerage window.
 
SpaceX closed today at $154 a share. This is lower than it's IPO day closing price of $161 a share and barely higher than the initial trade when it opened at $150 a share.

The permanent lesson being relearned again of never buying stock on IPO day unless you have access to below IPO prices.
 
SpaceX closed today at $154 a share. This is lower than it's IPO day closing price of $161 a share and barely higher than the initial trade when it opened at $150 a share.

The permanent lesson being relearned again of never buying stock on IPO day unless you have access to below IPO prices.
Correct I got Facebook at $38
Sold ir at $19 months later

Idiot move

Keep space x long term …is the lesson
 
Correct I got Facebook at $38
Sold ir at $19 months later

Idiot move

Keep space x long term …is the lesson
It's at the back of my portfolio where I can't seen it. I'll check in on it in 5-10 years where either some one will say "I told you so" or "I'll use it to redo my kitchen. I never expected to get rich of it in a month