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This is a reply from a dentist from dentaltown. I asked him what did he see the future of specialty and it turned out the answer is pretty discouraging. The following is not my opinion, just for SDNs' reference purpose. I have to say I don't quite agree with his idea.

Given all the new technologies which are entering the dental office now, I would be reluctant to be any kind of specialist right now. And given the hemmorage of dental school diplomas for the past 25 years I would be very reluctant to be a dentist unless your dad was a dentist, and had a practice for you to step into. The reason people become dentists is the freedom, not the money. And if you don't have the family money, you will find the legendary freedom a phantom in the night. The person to ask if you should be a dentist is your family banker (who would either loan you the money for an office, or let you be a permanent bondservant to a senior dentist). He knows your family financial (borrowing) ability. The admission director at your local college, or dental school has no idea about your ability to get a loan with which to buy your freedom. I called the ADA a few months back and spoke to the designated "manpower specialist". He told me that the ratio of dentists to population is scheduled to remain stastically the same for the next 20 years. I was very suprised to hear this since so many are talking about a (long overdue) correction in the glut of dentists supposedly happening. What you can see for yourself, is that every time a dental school asks its alumni for money they make dead sure to include in the pitch the number of monority and female students in the current class. This is code for "gee guys, we are trying our best to help you out by letting in so many minorities,(which won't compete with you) and women (who will only work until their biological clocks strike midnight and also won't compete with you). We're trying our best to keep the school open until your sons get to the age where we can let them in." Be very wary of the sales pitch that professional dental educators give you about a need for dentists in small towns too. The kind of dentist these small towns want is a 19th century dentist who can be called out on payday, at 5pm to dig out the root that has been hurting for the past 3 months, and has been swelling for the past 4 days. These show up after dark on the doorstep at your house...in these small towns. These people(demographics) are incapable of driving as far as the nearest Wal Mart, where there is already a dentist office nearby waiting for them. This is what these small towns and "underserved regions" want from a dentist. I know, I've been there. All the dental schools could close their doors for 8 years before the general public noticed any change in the real availability of dental appointments. Dentistry is a good way of life just as Mark Twain loved being a river boat pilot. But that's only because there were not enough river boat pilots to go around! If you want money, be something other than a dentist. If you want the penultimate freedom this country has to offer, and don't mind a country girl for a bride (a good choice at any rate!), be a small town dentist. The cities are crammed full. Good luck, not pulling any punches...
 

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I was thinking "Hemmorage" would be a good name for a heavy metal rock band.
 

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Oh and all the dentist I have spoken to say the opposite. There is an increasing demand for dentistry. You may have to move to developing areas. Yes the cities are probably saturated, but the suburbs are less so. A practice that floats about 3000-5000 patients coming and going will be very profitable.my Dentist that i work for has about 4500 charts currently and is booked for 2 months in advance.
 

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This is the first time I have seen anyone say that the demand for dentistry will not be increasing in the near future.
 

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Rezdawg said:
This is the first time I have seen anyone say that the demand for dentistry will not be increasing in the near future.
seems like the dentist is trying to discourage people so he/she doesn't have as much competition in the future
 

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nothen2do said:
seems like the dentist is trying to discourage people so he/she doesn't have as much competition in the future
I agree! To be honest, a lot of people on SDN do the same. Don't let one guy discourage you from entering dentistry.
 

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Okay so should I listen to what this ONE dentist has to say

...OR...

Look at my own research:
(1) financial reports talking about baby boomers getting older, needing more work done, thus increasing demand....

(2) All the other dentists I've spoken to saying that there is demand, especially in the suburbs

(3) Talking to new graduates. I know someone who graduated from Nova Dentistry, did a GPR, and just got a job last summer working at a practice where she is earning $170000 (this is in washington DC suburbs)


I cant decide...
Hmmm... Ill listen to this ONE dentist has to say (note the sarcasm)
 

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you should find out more about this fellow; where does he practice, how many years has he been practicing etc., is he just flat out lying, who knows
 

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nothen2do said:
seems like the dentist is trying to discourage people so he/she doesn't have as much competition in the future
Could be .... although he could have some valid points, too. It certainly has me thinking.
 

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Ruprick said:
Could be .... although he could have some valid points, too. It certainly has me thinking.
now what ......sleep :sleep: , will find out for sure after 4 years rite?
 

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airvent said:
Oh and all the dentist I have spoken to say the opposite. There is an increasing demand for dentistry. You may have to move to developing areas. Yes the cities are probably saturated, but the suburbs are less so. A practice that floats about 3000-5000 patients coming and going will be very profitable.my Dentist that i work for has about 4500 charts currently and is booked for 2 months in advance.
Are his hygienists booked two months in advance or is he?
 
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dWiz said:
you should find out more about this fellow; where does he practice, how many years has he been practicing etc., is he just flat out lying, who knows
I try to let him stay anonymous. For people who have different opinions for whatever intention, I'd rather walk away instead of wasting my time about it.
 

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I wouldn't pay much attention to what this guy says. Really have a look at what he said: some of this stuff is pretty negative and off-base. "Underserved regions aren't really underserved regions" ... suck my d*ck buddy. This guys got some issues, and I don't think it's about dentistry. Dentists make money... they still have to work pretty damn hard for it though. Maybe that's his issue.

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......This is code for "gee guys, we are trying our best to help you out by letting in so many minorities,(which won't compete with you) and women (who will only work until their biological clocks strike midnight and also won't compete with you). We're trying our best to keep the school open until your sons get to the age where we can let them in." ..... people(demographics) are incapable of driving as far as the nearest Wal Mart, where there is already a dentist office nearby waiting for them...
 

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I wouldn't pay much attention to what this guy says. Really have a look at what he said: some of this stuff is pretty negative and off-base. "Underserved regions aren't really underserved regions" ... suck my d*ck buddy. This guys got some issues, and I don't think it's about dentistry. Dentists make money... they still have to work pretty damn hard for it though. Maybe that's his issue.
according to this guy(the dentist who wrote the original article) dentists make no money, marry cow girls, and have all the freedom in the world to do nothing since there are pretty much too many dentists out there who have all the patients.... :p i would be very discouraged if i believed him, but ur rite he does seem to have some other issues
 

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dWiz said:
i would be very discouraged if i believed him, but ur rite he does seem to have some other issues
Just read that whole paragraph. Does any of it really make any sense? From Mark Twain to asking your family banker if you should become a dentist. Gimme a break!! :mad: :thumbdown: This guys a loser, and frankly, I'm pretty annoyed that he would give this advice to a pre-dent like ProfChaos.

Oh man, I gotta study!! Gotta study!!!!
 

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Are his hygienists booked two months in advance or is he?
Yea I over stated a bit.The schedule isn't booked solid 2 months in advance.More like 3-4 weeks. ALthough flipping ahead there are plenty of spots filled, yes mostly for hygeine. What I meant to say is that she is busy. Tomorrow at work i'll try to get a better estimate for ya.

When she graduated 15+years ago Her friend and a partner from the same class opened a practice in a busy suburb. A month later She however opened her own practice from scratch 15 miles away in an undeveloped area that had a few farms that were being sold to developers. Still close to major metropolitan area. With in 3 years she was twice the size of his practice. (she tells it much better.)

I forget what my point was(its late)....I think it was....research the area you want to open your practice. There are plenty of developing areas with high demands for a dentist, but they might not be in your dream local. She says that the south west is growing fast and that there is already a demand there. Bottom line is don't let anyone tell you there is no demand anymore, unless you're desperate to open a practice in Manhattan

Again I'm just relaying fragments of info that I pick up. I'm still just a pre-dent
 

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Lame reply. Try getting replies from the thousands of other dentists on DentalTown.

Better yet, write to my neighbor Howard. He's the founder of DentalTownand a practicing dentist, and he'll tell you that dentistry is THE best profession to enter into. He makes no qualms about it.
 

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im sorry but this guy is a moron, not only is his post plagued with spelling errors but he doesn't even know how to use the word "penultimate" correctly..screw what he has to say, i don't buy any of that garbage..every dentist i've talked to thinks this is the greatest time to get in the field and that being a dentist is a great profession, so im much more inclined to listen to them
 

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MitchSE-R said:
im sorry but this guy is a moron, not only is his post plagued with spelling errors but he doesn't even know how to use the word "penultimate" correctly..screw what he has to say, i don't buy any of that garbage..every dentist i've talked to thinks this is the greatest time to get in the field and that being a dentist is a great profession, so im much more inclined to listen to them
The op has only related to you something someone else said (his dentist/a dentist). I dont agree with what the dentist has to say. Thus, the spelling mistakes have nothing to do with the posts original intention. See the optometry forum for a free eye exam.
 

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Oh scheisse, I should have waited a little longer. I read the original post, realized I was getting into the wrong profession, called Maryland and cancelled, decided to go into international law, contacted my advisor and changed my major, and now I'm reading all your replies and feeling like a schmuck for my panic attack! I'm an idiot.
 

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the guy is prob pissed off at something else....he's prob that small town dentist that gets calls like at midnight to do root canals and is jealous of the other dentists in more developed areas that can set their own schedule

i would be too if i were him, and thats why im not gonna be that small town dentist....

furthermore....hes prob pissed that he didnt care/compete for a specialty and now he regrets thats why he's saying specialty is a waste of time...

yes there are a lot or dentists out there....but i dont see them going hungry....and yes there will be a higher demand for dentists especially in areas with higher babyboom numbers.

so im staying in dentistry and thats that...no midcountry small town b*ttf$%# dentist is gonna convince me to get out now.
 

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The rest of the post withstanding, I do think that the ability to own one's own practice should be a concern.

Then again, I'm not sure what the current laws on a small business look like.
can't you get a loan for starting a business (in this case, purchasing a practice). could u ellaborate why it should be such a big concern? (i dont know much :D )