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[subwayrider]

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Anyone planning on specializing? I read that DO schools are more geared to training general practitioners. I want to specialize in psychiatry, but also want to work as a GP in underserved areas in the US and in poorer countries.

 

[cliquesh]

Anyone planning on specializing? I read that DO schools are more geared to training general practitioners. I want to specialize in psychiatry, but also want to work as a GP in underserved areas in the US and in poorer countries.

You'll have no problem matching psychiatry as a DO. You can fail your board exams a few times and still match pyschiatry somewhere. I'm not even joking. Matching surgical subspecialities, such as ENT, urology, and neurosurgery, are the hardest things for DOs. Radiology-Onc and Dermatology are also difficult. Radiology is somewhat difficult, but if you have the grades/boards you should be fine. Everything else is doable as a DO. Have a great Sunday!

 

[Mehd School]

My current interests are Family and Rural Medicine, Emergency Medicine, or possibly a sector of Surgery. This will all change in a year or two, I'm sure.

DO schools often put in their mission that they are interested in training PCP's, but it isn't challenging to match into a Psych program somewhere.

 

[FrkyBgStok]

Where did you read this? I would like a source. Otherwise, i am going to believe it is hearsay and assume you haven't looked into it yourself.

And here is another dirty little secret of medicine. Yes, the majority of osteopathic schools have most of their students going into primary care. But the secret is most allopathic schools do the same thing. Shocking I know.

 

[psychgirrrl]

Where did you read this? I would like a source. Otherwise, i am going to believe it is hearsay and assume you haven't looked into it yourself.

And here is another dirty little secret of medicine. Yes, the majority of osteopathic schools have most of their students going into primary care. But the secret is most allopathic schools do the same thing. Shocking I know.

👍

 

[MedPR]

of all the matchlists I've seen (md and do) id say about 30-35 percent if not more are IM/FM/peds.

 

[rzoo14]

Anyone planning on specializing? I read that DO schools are more geared to training general practitioners. I want to specialize in psychiatry, but also want to work as a GP in underserved areas in the US and in poorer countries.

I just want to point out that some countries don't accept US DO's as Medical Doctors.

http://www.westernu.edu/bin/ime/international-practice-rights.pdf

 

[pattr]

of all the matchlists I've seen (md and do) id say about 30-35 percent if not more are IM/FM/peds.

In the 2011 match, ~46% of DOs went into FM/IM/Peds residencies. Compared to 34% of MDs.

But I think the most glaring discrepancy is that of FM: 19.5% vs. 7.4%.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=813819

 

[Mehd School]

Yes, the majority of osteopathic schools have most of their students going into primary care. But the secret is most allopathic schools do the same thing. Shocking I know.

Quoted this so hopefully people will see this again.

It is a very good, and very accurate point. 👍

 

[Mbeas]

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[NeuroLAX]

Quoted this so hopefully people will see this again.

It is a very good, and very accurate point. 👍

So the statistics quoted above your post are wrong or inaccurate? 34% of MDs going into primary care? 46% of DOs? Am I missing something here? I didn't look at all the figures but are those percentages ACGME only?

 

[Mbeas]

So the statistics quoted above your post are wrong or inaccurate? 34% of MDs going into primary care? 46% of DOs? Am I missing something here? I didn't look at all the figures but are those percentages ACGME only?

Sounds logical. By percentage, DO's tend to go into primary care more than US MD grads. And they are combined AOA/ACGME statistics.

 

[NeuroLAX]

Sounds logical. By percentage, DO's tend to go into primary care more than US MD grads. And they are combined AOA/ACGME statistics.

True, but I was asking more for a clarification of the statement: most DOs schools have most of their students going into primary care docs, and the same being said for MDs.

 

[Mbeas]

True, but I was asking more for a clarification of the statement: most DOs schools have most of their students going into primary care docs, and the same being said for MDs.

Well if most=majority, then it may not be true for either case because the statistics posted above (46% of DOs/34% of MDs) do not indicate the majority. Those statistics btw, are really the most accurate that we have available although they may not be perfect. So, clearly DO's go into primary care more than MD's, but it still doesn't indicate a majority in either case (unless you count EM, which is debatable).

 

[NeuroLAX]

Well if most=majority, then it may not be true for either case because the statistics posted above (46% of DOs/34% of MDs) do not indicate the majority. Those statistics btw, are really the most accurate that we have available although they may not be perfect. So, clearly DO's go into primary care more than MD's, but it still doesn't indicate a majority in either case (unless you count EM, which is debatable).

That's what I thought. Thanks. 👍

 

[FrkyBgStok]

when i say "most go into primary care" i don't use it in an absolute sense. I am more meaning that most of the students go into primary care IN RELATION to each of the specialties. Sorry, that was my wording.

 

[cliquesh]

DO schools, believe it or not, really accept people who want to do primary care. Based on an internal survey nearly half my class will only be applying to family medicine.

 

[MedPR]

Do most students go into primary? No. But more students go into a primary care specialty (fm, im, peds) than any other specialty. I am positive that's true for every matchlist md and do.

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[DrWily]

Do most students go into primary? No. But more students go into a primary care specialty (fm, im, peds) than any other specialty. I am positive that's true for every matchlist md and do.

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probably because if you do IM, you can go to like 20 different sub-specialties.

 

[MedPR]

probably because if you do IM, you can go to like 20 different sub-specialties.

I know. I thought people were confusing majority of students with highest percentage matched to a specialty.

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[488677]

here's some great data for matching into a particular specialty:

http://data.aacom.org/media/DO_GME_match_2009.pdf

if that link does not work, do the following:

go to:

http://www.aacom.org/data/Pages/default.aspx

then,

"Osteopathic GME Match Report 2009"


keep in mind this data is from 2009. since then, more AOA residencies have been added.

also keep in mind that this does not include matches into ACGME.

all-in-all, matching into a particular specialty is not dependent on the letters after your name--you make that decision with your work ethic.

 

[488677]

also, here's a GREAT spreadsheet highlighting all the specialties medical students for particular osteopathic schools match into.

clearly, certain medical schools are more likely to match into AOA residencies while others prefer ACGME.

 

[MedPR]

also, here's a GREAT spreadsheet highlighting all the specialties medical students for particular osteopathic schools match into.

clearly, certain medical schools are more likely to match into AOA residencies while others prefer ACGME.

Yea Go DMU and KCUMB leading the way in ACGME.

 

[488677]

Yea Go DMU and KCUMB leading the way in ACGME.

i think these stats are based on the amount of AOA residencies are offered in each state. Michigan is a huge AOA state with tons of AOA residencies hence why there are so many MSUCOM graduates in AOA residencies.

ah, AOA residencies: one of the greatest perks to being (becoming) a DO😍

 

[MedPR]

i think these stats are based on the amount of AOA residencies are offered in each state. Michigan is a huge AOA state with tons of AOA residencies hence why there are so many MSUCOM graduates in AOA residencies.

ah, AOA residencies: one of the greatest perks to being (becoming) a DO😍

I thought AOA residencies were the only downside to becoming a DO?

 

[DrWily]

I thought AOA residencies were the only downside to becoming a DO?

It depends on the specialty.

AOA residencies in certain things like surgery or ortho are great for D.O.s because the general education is good and you don't have to compete with MDs for these spots.

AOA anesthesia sucks balls on the other hand.

 

[488677]

It depends on the specialty.

AOA residencies in certain things like surgery or ortho are great for D.O.s because the general education is good and you don't have to compete with MDs for these spots.

AOA anesthesia sucks balls on the other hand.

that's a little harsh.

 

[DrWily]

that's a little harsh.

No, it's not. AOA Anesthesia is pretty piss-poor. Generally bad locations with subpar training. You want to do an MD residency if interested in Anesthesia at all. It's written all over the Anesthesia board on SDN.

 

[toxicwombat]

when i say "most go into primary care" i don't use it in an absolute sense. I am more meaning that most of the students go into primary care IN RELATION to each of the specialties. Sorry, that was my wording.

Do most students go into primary? No. But more students go into a primary care specialty (fm, im, peds) than any other specialty. I am positive that's true for every matchlist md and do.

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[488677]

you may be right, but you don't have to be so rude about it. i mean really? i am sure there are some people out there who worked their tail off to get into an AOA anesthesiology residency because they wanted to be an anesthesiologist. i certainly wouldn't want be told i "suck balls" or that i am "piss poor" after working so hard.

show some respect.

 

[cliquesh]

you may be right, but you don't have to be so rude about it. i mean really? i am sure there are some people out there who worked their tail off to get into an AOA anesthesiology residency because they wanted to be an anesthesiologist. i certainly wouldn't want be told i "suck balls" or that i am "piss poor" after working so hard.

show some respect.

It's pretty widely known that there are some issues with aoa anesthesia and its one of the few, if not only, aoa board certified specialties that has some difficulties getting hospital privileges.

 

[Mbeas]

It depends on the specialty.

AOA residencies in certain things like surgery or ortho are great for D.O.s

Exactly.

Also, for everyone else, let's not assume that ACGME <insert specialty here) is inherently superior to AOA <insert same specialty>.

 

[DrWily]

you may be right, but you don't have to be so rude about it. i mean really? i am sure there are some people out there who worked their tail off to get into an AOA anesthesiology residency because they wanted to be an anesthesiologist. i certainly wouldn't want be told i "suck balls" or that i am "piss poor" after working so hard.

show some respect.

The people who go into AOA anesthesia are the ones who didn't have the board scores to be competitive for ACGME anesthesia. It's not the student's fault that these AOA anesthesia residencies are "piss-poor" and "suck balls"; it's AOA's fault for not producing quality spots with quality education. Having difficulty obtaining hospital privileges due to AOA board certification is certainly a reality for AOA-trained anesthesiologists. Is this something that should be sugarcoated? No, it's a real downside that should be looked at and evaluated.

Respect will be given when it has been earned. AOA Anesthesia does not earn respect at this point in time.

 

[oms2]

The people who go into AOA anesthesia are the ones who didn't have the board scores to be competitive for ACGME anesthesia. It's not the student's fault that these AOA anesthesia residencies are "piss-poor" and "suck balls"; it's AOA's fault for not producing quality spots with quality education. Having difficulty obtaining hospital privileges due to AOA board certification is certainly a reality for AOA-trained anesthesiologists. Is this something that should be sugarcoated? No, it's a real downside that should be looked at and evaluated.

Respect will be given when it has been earned. AOA Anesthesia does not earn respect at this point in time.

this is unfortunately the current perception. tcom is probably the clearest illustration - the aoa spreadsheet shows zero match at tcom for aoa anes, but it's a fact that a bunch of their students match into good acgme anes programs every year.

the issue with hospital privileges for aoa anes is more regional and has to to with private groups as i understand it. most hospitals do not systematically exclude aoa anes board e.g.
http://medicalstaff.stanfordhospital.org/mss/credentialing/application/documents/Anesthesia%204.10FORM.pdf

on the other hand the top aoa surg residencies are widely acknowledged to be solid

 

[Mr Kenobi]

.hi everyone i am new in forum but i am a therapist and specializes in the placement of physical therapists, occupational therapists, and speech language pathologists in medical settings across the United States..

 

[MedPR]

you may be right, but you don't have to be so rude about it. i mean really? i am sure there are some people out there who worked their tail off to get into an AOA anesthesiology residency because they wanted to be an anesthesiologist. i certainly wouldn't want be told i "suck balls" or that i am "piss poor" after working so hard.

show some respect.

Like wily said. The people who go into certain aoa specialties are the ones who couldn't get into the better acgme ones..

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[DoctorLacrosse]

Where did you read this? I would like a source. Otherwise, i am going to believe it is hearsay and assume you haven't looked into it yourself.

And here is another dirty little secret of medicine. Yes, the majority of osteopathic schools have most of their students going into primary care. But the secret is most allopathic schools do the same thing. Shocking I know.

+1. perfect response

 

[toxicwombat]

you may be right, but you don't have to be so rude about it. i mean really? i am sure there are some people out there who worked their tail off to get into an AOA anesthesiology residency because they wanted to be an anesthesiologist. i certainly wouldn't want be told i "suck balls" or that i am "piss poor" after working so hard.

show some respect.

He was just being honest. Don't blame the messenger. Blame the programs.

 

[dudeliness]

I could consider a surgery specialty, but I won't really know until clinicals.

 

[MedPR]

I could consider a surgery specialty, but I won't really know until clinicals.

Surgery for me.. At least for now.

 

[DrWily]

Surgery for me.. At least for now.

Better lock down your woman now before you get there. If you like it, then you should put a ring on it. 😍😍

 

[MedPR]

Better lock down your woman now before you get there. If you like it, then you should put a ring on it. 😍😍

I can't imagine trying to pay for a wedding while in medical school. How does that even work?

 

[dntke1518]

Better lock down your woman now before you get there. If you like it, then you should put a ring on it. 😍😍

😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

 

[DrWily]

I can't imagine trying to pay for a wedding while in medical school. How does that even work?

Civil court wedding dawg. It's all the rage these days.

Wedding schmedding. When you make 6 figs, then u can "renew" your vows and go all out.

 

[MedPR]

Civil court wedding dawg. It's all the rage these days.

Wedding schmedding. When you make 6 figs, then u can "renew" your vows and go all out.

She'll return the ring if I tried that.

 

[Mr Kenobi]

I can't imagine trying to pay for a wedding while in medical school. How does that even work?

Here is a start...

 

[dudeliness]

Here is a start...

I wish I would have done that. My wife would have approved too. I didnt really know that at the time. Lol

 

[gc91]

Hey I'd take that over a $1,000 ring anytime.

OP: My pre-med adviser directed me to DO last year because I told her I was 99.9% sure I wanted to be a rural family practitioner and I wanted a school where I would be trained in that direction from day 1, but that doesn't mean you can't specialize. All the DOs I've shadowed have said the same thing. I've met/shadowed a DO surgeon and an emergency room physician.

 

[MedPR]

I wish I would have done that. My wife would have approved too. I didnt really know that at the time. Lol

How old were you when you got married? Sometimes I feel like I'm too young (24) to be in a serious relationship. We've been together for 3+ years now.

 

[cliquesh]

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