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[RogueUnicorn]

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But you don't put the murderer in a court of law based on their religious beliefs nor based on your religious beliefs. If you think I'm being a bad Christian that should have nothing to do with how you view me as a person and has no reason being brought up.

you being a bad christian would be EXACTLY a view of you as a person

 

[oaklandguy]

Or outlook. I know a lot of people who go to Oakland, and I can say confidently that it was a more attractive subset of my hs class than that which came to u of m with me, so I have a hard time believing everyone is so ugly. And if you find no one physically attractive, who cares. God forbid ugly people go about ruining your world. And it's great that you're so smart that you can call down the idiots from your ivory tower. And yes, I think your status as a devout Christian is relevant here. "Judge not lest ye be judged yourself." Now where did I read that? Oh, that's right... the bible! (yes, I understand this does not disclude christians from judging on pious grounds, but it's no sin to be physically unattractive or unintelligent) I could be way wrong about this though because I'm not religious at all. Just some agnostic guy who likes to read (and the bible being the most popular book ever... I figured it was worth a read).

The world would be a much better place if everyone ignored the superficial things which are out of their power.

Fortunately we have very attractive people on campus. I was speaking specifically of the pre-med students that I have encountered. According to the Bible it says "believe and you will be saved. you and your household" - Acts 16:31. I believe. I think you are taking the judgement that the Bible is speaking of out of context. I'm not judging these people on their Christianity, I'm judging their personalities and whether I want to be friends with them or not. I am friends with some of the pre-meds at the school I am enrolled in; however, I simply wish more of them were like the OP.

 

[greatnt249]

But you don't put the murderer in a court of law based on their religious beliefs nor based on your religious beliefs. If you think I'm being a bad Christian that should have nothing to do with how you view me as a person and has no reason being brought up.

Why not? Declaring yourself to be a Christian should be a decent indicator of your moral character; it's no different than me declaring myself to be an upstanding moral citizen yet deal meth out of the lab in my garage.

 

[greatnt249]

Fortunately we have very attractive people on campus. I was speaking specifically of the pre-med students that I have encountered. According to the Bible it says "believe and you will be saved. you and your household" - Acts 16:31. I believe. I think you are taking the judgement that the Bible is speaking of out of context. I'm not judging these people on their Christianity, I'm judging their personalities and whether I want to be friends with them or not. I am friends with some of the pre-meds at the school I am enrolled in; however, I simply wish more of them were like the OP.

Nice try.

 

[oaklandguy]

you being a bad christian would be EXACTLY a view of you as a person

How. I'm bad at tennis. Just as relevant. I play tennis, but am bad at it. OMG HES BAD AT TENNIS OMG OMG!

And as far as Christianity goes, my interpretation of the Bible leads to the idea that there is no such thing as a bad Christian. There are Christians and non-Christians. Jesus didn't tell the person on the cross next to him that you are saved now, but you are a bad Christian because of all your sins. Actions mean nothing in Christianity according to the Bible.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

How. I'm bad at tennis. Just as relevant. I play tennis, but am bad at it. OMG HES BAD AT TENNIS OMG OMG!

And as far as Christianity goes, my interpretation of the Bible leads to the idea that there is no such thing as a bad Christian. There are Christians and non-Christians. Jesus didn't tell the person on the cross next to him that you are saved now, but you are a bad Christian because of all your sins. Actions mean nothing in Christianity according to the Bible.

your tennis skills have bearings on your athleticism, not your character.


if this is truly your view of christianity, you are no christian by your own definition. sorry dude.

 

[BennieBlanco]

I do know of one other pre-med similar to me. He is on the baseball team and is very intelligent.


The other pre-meds are mainly losers and unattractive geeky kids.

The ones who aren't complete losers are still pretty weird and are really dumb.

it's just impending doom when they actually go to apply to medical schools.

It's funny when you meet a ditsy pre-med girl talking about med-school flaunting her 27 on the MCAT, even the ugly pre-meds who you would assume would be studious usually have a 26-28 MCAT score and you just sigh when talking to them.

but you meet these people and they study all day which affects their social skills, and don't even put up the scores to show for their studying.

Ugh where are the cool intelligent people hiding?

I've bolded all the things you said which were despicable.

It's not the people's flaws. That is what you are failing to recognize, it's the people that have nothing in common with me other than major.

Okay I'm a BAD Christian. That is fine because Christ will forgive me for that.

No one is challenging your faith. Instead we are appalled at what your thoughts are. If you are thinking like this then there is a problem. It is when you talk about how intelligent and cool you are and how ugly, dumb, lacking social skills, unattractive, ditsy, others are.

Some people aren't good at things and you may be great at them. This doesn't excuse ridiculing them and listing their faults. It's ok if you don't have a lot in common with them, fine. Don't insult them though. When I walk by a person who is disfigured and handicapped I don't think, "wow, look at this weak ****** that can't walk, etc." This is an inappropriate way to deal with people weaker than you.

 

[oaklandguy]

Why not? Declaring yourself to be a Christian should be a decent indicator of your moral character; it's no different than me declaring myself to be an upstanding moral citizen yet deal meth out of the lab in my garage.

Well that depends on your situation. If you were a cannibal one might say you have no moral character. If you were a cannibal in a tribe in Mongolia, or in an Ancient South American culture, then one might say you are being completely moral based on the standards of your religion. Muslims that commit suicide in order to kill caphers of other religions are being moral according to their religion. Morality is all subjective.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

Well that depends on your situation. If you were a cannibal one might say you have no moral character. If you were a cannibal in a tribe in Mongolia, or in an Ancient South American culture, then one might say you are being completely moral based on the standards of your religion. Muslims that commit suicide in order to kill caphers of other religions are being moral according to their religion. Morality is all subjective.

you really need to learn to stop opening your mouth.

 

[oaklandguy]

your tennis skills have bearings on your athleticism, not your character.


if this is truly your view of christianity, you are no christian by your own definition. sorry dude.

I'm not a Catholic. I am a Christian. Christianity is the only "religion" that doesn't go by your actions. The dude was a thief his entire life. And Jesus told him he would see him in heaven that night.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

I'm not a Catholic. I am a Christian. Christianity is the only "religion" that doesn't go by your actions. The dude was a thief his entire life. And Jesus told him he would see him in heaven that night.

again. your view of christianity is perversely twisted.

 

[oaklandguy]

you really need to learn to stop opening your mouth.

So were the Christian Crusaders of olde... there does that make you feel better?

 

[oaklandguy]

again. your view of christianity is perversely twisted.

Or strictly according to the words written in the text known as the Bible. And adjacent with most protestant beliefs.

 

[BennieBlanco]

I'm not a Catholic. I am a Christian. Christianity is the only "religion" that doesn't go by your actions. The dude was a thief his entire life. And Jesus told him he would see him in heaven that night.

Difference.

Thief --> repentant

You --> arrogant, vain and picking on the weak and lonely

 

[BennieBlanco]

again. your view of christianity is perversely twisted.

agreed again

 

[RogueUnicorn]

So were the Christian Crusaders of olde... there does that make you feel better?

but christianity is based on the bible and the bible never changes and thus it's moral for you to be a suicide bomber?

and no, this current statement does not make up for the complete ignorance of the previous one.

 

[BennieBlanco]

So were the Christian Crusaders of olde... there does that make you feel better?

You are defending wicked actions. This is far different than the crusaders you speak of. They were fighting for things they believe in, you are fighting for your ego and pride. Yourself

 

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[spyderracing32]

Well that depends on your situation. If you were a cannibal one might say you have no moral character. If you were a cannibal in a tribe in Mongolia, or in an Ancient South American culture, then one might say you are being completely moral based on the standards of your religion. Muslims that commit suicide in order to kill caphers of other religions are being moral according to their religion. Morality is all subjective.

Please step into any political philosophy, moral philosophy, or ethics class and try to defend moral relativism. See how that works out for you (here's a hint: it's a played out argument that falls on it's face).

A few things:
A) You total misinterpreted my "Judge not lest ye..." comment, because you effectively owned up to exactly what I was arguing.
B) Do you really think it's morally legitimate to go around using the forgiveness of Jesus to do what you will? I don't think this is what Jesus necessarily intended at all, and I sincerely doubt that your pastor would be happy with your use (abuse) of the "lamb of god".

 

[oaklandguy]

I've bolded all the things you said which were despicable.



No one is challenging your faith. Instead we are appalled at what your thoughts are. If you are thinking like this then there is a problem. It is when you talk about how intelligent and cool you are and how ugly, dumb, lacking social skills, unattractive, ditsy, others are.

Some people aren't good at things and you may be great at them. This doesn't excuse ridiculing them and listing their faults. It's ok if you don't have a lot in common with them, fine. Don't insult them though. When I walk by a person who is disfigured and handicapped I don't think, "wow, look at this weak ****** that can't walk, etc." This is an inappropriate way to deal with people weaker than you.

When did I mention how cool and intelligent I am? If it seems as if I am pointing out their flaws I apologize to the community of SDN and to those who I am referring to. I have my personal view and opinion of those around me. I appreciate those around me, at the same time they have very little in common with me. I am not saying these people are weaker than me, in fact many may be more intelligent than me, and those who may not be as intelligent are superior than me in many other ways. This is not what I'm getting at. I was referring to the fact that there are very few who have common traits as me as an individual. This is what I was stating. I'm sorry that the terms I may have put it in seem degrading to those people mentioned.

 

[greatnt249]

Well that depends on your situation. If you were a cannibal one might say you have no moral character. If you were a cannibal in a tribe in Mongolia, or in an Ancient South American culture, then one might say you are being completely moral based on the standards of your religion. Muslims that commit suicide in order to kill caphers of other religions are being moral according to their religion. Morality is all subjective.

Uh, no; those suicide bombers you speak of are "good" Muslims like abortion clinic bombers are "good" Christians.

Arguing that morality is relative to justify your actions when your religion has pretty clear guidelines as to what constitutes being good and upstanding in the eyes of the Lord is very weak. Quit backpeddling to try and justify your statements; you're only digging yourself into a deeper hole.

 

[oaklandguy]

Difference.

Thief --> repentant

You --> arrogant, vain and picking on the weak and lonely

I never called anyone weak nor did I call anyone lonely. You are exaggerating. You guys are acting like I stole money from the homeless.

 

[oaklandguy]

Please step into any political philosophy, moral philosophy, or ethics class and try to defend moral relativism. See how that works out for you (here's a hint: it's a played out argument that falls on it's face).

A few things:
A) You total misinterpreted my "Judge not lest ye..." comment, because you effectively owned up to exactly what I was arguing.
B) Do you really think it's morally legitimate to go around using the forgiveness of Jesus to do what you will? I don't think this is what Jesus necessarily intended at all, and I sincerely doubt that your pastor would be happy with your use (abuse) of the "lamb of god".

To answer A: your interpretation of that verse means very little to me. It is the context of the verse that matters, I can take random verses out of context but that does our argument no good.

B: I am not using the forgiveness of Jesus to my will. I was stating that if what I was doing was a sin, that I am forgiven for my transgressions past, present, and future. Therefore, if I am a "bad" Christian, God knew that I would do that and has forgiven me for it already and technically I am back to being a good Christian because I am washed by the blood of you know who.

You are defending wicked actions. This is far different than the crusaders you speak of. They were fighting for things they believe in, you are fighting for your ego and pride. Yourself

I'm not defending my actions. I am saying to leave religion out of my view on those around me.

Uh, no; those suicide bombers you speak of are "good" Muslims like abortion clinic bombers are "good" Christians.

Arguing that morality is relative when your religion has pretty clear guidelines as to what constitutes being good and upstanding is very weak. Quit backpeddling to try and justify your statements; you're only digging yourself into a deeper hole.

The word abortion is not in the Bible. I do not take pride in those who bomb abortion clinics. Most Muslims I know do not take pride in the terrorist attacks. I'm not backpedaling, I am responding to your attacks on me.

 

[FlowRate]

I never called anyone weak nor did I call anyone lonely. You are exaggerating. You guys are acting like I stole money from the homeless.

A strong insinuation is the same thing as "calling" someone something.

i.e.

"Nerdy, unattractive, lacking social skills." is the SAME as calling someone "lonely." (it's worse)

 

[BennieBlanco]

I never called anyone weak nor did I call anyone lonely.

Dude.

I do know of one other pre-med similar to me. He is on the baseball team and is very intelligent.

The other pre-meds are mainly losers and unattractive geeky kids.

The ones who aren't complete losers are still pretty weird and are really dumb.

it's just impending doom when they actually go to apply to medical schools.

It's funny when you meet a ditsy pre-med girl talking about med-school flaunting her 27 on the MCAT, even the ugly pre-meds who you would assume would be studious usually have a 26-28 MCAT score and you just sigh when talking to them.

but you meet these people and they study all day which affects their social skills, and don't even put up the scores to show for their studying.

Ugh where are the cool intelligent people hiding?

When did I mention how cool and intelligent I am?

when you repeatedly say how no one is like you and how everyone is ugly, dumb and lacking social skills. The fact that you are looking for others like you and then say: "where are all the cool intelligent people?" is arrogant and lacking class.

I appreciate those around me, at the same time they have very little in common with me. I am not saying these people are weaker than me, in fact many may be more intelligent than me, and those who may not be as intelligent are superior than me in many other ways. This is not what I'm getting at. I was referring to the fact that there are very few who have common traits as me as an individual. This is what I was stating. I'm sorry that the terms I may have put it in seem degrading to those people mentioned.

Don't apologize to SDN, we are condemning your actions/thoughts. The people here will be fine no matter what you say. I hope you don't speak like this in public.

 

[FlowRate]

"I am not using the forgiveness of Jesus to my will. I was stating that if what I was doing was a sin, that I am forgiven for my transgressions past, present, and future. Therefore, if I am a "bad" Christian, God knew that I would do that and has forgiven me for it already and technically I am back to being a good Christian because I am washed by the blood of you know who."

This is a flawed theology. It's part of the catch-22 of protestant theology, which you misinterpret.

Those who choose to sin consistently are not "instantly forgiven" because there are doubts about whether or not they are truly saved because they continue to choose sin over the good they profess to know.

What you have said is that anything you do is okay because you are always forgiven, no matter what. Slippery slope.

 

[loveoforganic]

I am not using the forgiveness of Jesus to my will. I was stating that if what I was doing was a sin, that I am forgiven for my transgressions past, present, and future. Therefore, if I am a "bad" Christian, God knew that I would do that and has forgiven me for it already and technically I am back to being a good Christian because I am washed by the blood of you know who.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

Don't apologize to SDN, we are condemning your actions/thoughts. The people here will be fine no matter what you say. I hope you don't speak like this in public.

i hope he does

 

[greatnt249]

The word abortion is not in the Bible.

I do not take pride in those who bomb abortion clinics. Most Muslims I know do not take pride in the terrorist attacks. I'm not backpedaling, I am responding to your attacks on me.

🙄

 

[BennieBlanco]

lol. I need to get these emoticons.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

 

[oaklandguy]

A strong insinuation is the same thing as "calling" someone something.

i.e.

"Nerdy, unattractive, lacking social skills." is the SAME as calling someone "lonely." (it's worse)

That is quite the gap in logic. They may not be super sociable, but that does not mean they are lonely? You can have all the friends in the world and feel lonely. Hell I feel lonely right now defending myself by myself arguing against like 10 people jumping out of nowhere.

Lonely: alone(p): lacking companions or companionship; "he was alone when we met him"; "she is alone much of the time"; "the lone skier on the mountain ...

 

[oaklandguy]

"I am not using the forgiveness of Jesus to my will. I was stating that if what I was doing was a sin, that I am forgiven for my transgressions past, present, and future. Therefore, if I am a "bad" Christian, God knew that I would do that and has forgiven me for it already and technically I am back to being a good Christian because I am washed by the blood of you know who."

This is a flawed theology. It's part of the catch-22 of protestant theology, which you misinterpret.

Those who choose to sin consistently are not "instantly forgiven" because there are doubts about whether or not they are truly saved because they continue to choose sin over the good they profess to know.

What you have said is that anything you do is okay because you are always forgiven, no matter what. Slippery slope.

I don't live in sin if that's what you are asking.

 

[greatnt249]

lol. I need to get these emoticons.

Just click on [more] down below the standard ones when you reply to someone. The one below is easy; just type "wtf" in between ::.

 

[BennieBlanco]

That is quite the gap in logic. They may not be super sociable, but that does not mean they are lonely?

Lonely: alone(p): lacking companions or companionship; "he was alone when we met him"; "she is alone much of the time"; "the lone skier on the mountain ...

I don't like it is a huge step to say that someone who you have called "ugly" "dumb" "lacking social skills" may possibly be lonely. I think I would have a lot of people agree with me on this, but I will concede that you never called anyone lonely. Just not intelligent, ugly, stupid, etc.

I bet they would rather you call them lonely, that would be a step up.

 

[oaklandguy]

i hope he does

You'd be impressed and maybe a bit surprised. Maybe I just like practicing debate. Maybe me and you have a lot more in common than you would suppose.

How is the application cycle treating ya though? I'm actually curious, very impressed by your MCAT, not so much by your GPA.

 

[spyderracing32]

To answer A: your interpretation of that verse means very little to me. It is the context of the verse that matters, I can take random verses out of context but that does our argument no good.

Well, here it is in context and relating to other scripture: http://www.capalert.com/judgenot.htm

My acknowledgment of the caveat that the phrase does not preclude Christians from judging on pious grounds should have hinted to the fact that I realize the context. That's not grounds for dismissing my use of the verse. I'm not going to copy several books so that you can still be wrong in the proper context.

 

[BennieBlanco]

I don't live in sin if that's what you are asking.

lol. We are pointing out that the things you say are horrible and wicked. AND you initially (maybe still) defend them!



(thx greatnt249)

 

[BennieBlanco]

You'd be impressed and maybe a bit surprised. Maybe I just like practicing debate. Maybe me and you have a lot more in common than you would suppose.

How is the application cycle treating ya though? I'm actually curious, very impressed by your MCAT, not so much by your GPA.

This again is douchebaggery!!! Stop please dude.

Cool person: Nice MCAT

Arrogant douchebag: very impressed by your MCAT, not so much by your GPA

 

[RogueUnicorn]

You'd be impressed and maybe a bit surprised. Maybe I just like practicing debate. Maybe me and you have a lot more in common than you would suppose.

How is the application cycle treating ya though? I'm actually curious, very impressed by your MCAT, not so much by your GPA.

people in general have more in common than not.

not applying this cycle, thanks. gpa is truly a killer.

 

[oaklandguy]

I don't like it is a huge step to say that someone who you have called "ugly" "dumb" "lacking social skills" may possibly be lonely. I think I would have a lot of people agree with me on this, but I will concede that you never called anyone lonely. Just not intelligent, ugly, stupid, etc.

I bet they would rather you call them lonely, that would be a step up.

No, I am friends with some of these people and these people have similarities with many people. This is part my problem. If anyone is lonely it is me. However, don't worry, I am not lonely. As I stated in a an apparently douche-bag way, I am quite sociable (in my opinion so you guys don't go saying my ego is huge and that I am strong picking on the weak).

 

[RogueUnicorn]

This again is douchebaggery!!! Stop please dude.

i have to admit it's kind of true.

 

[greatnt249]

You'd be impressed and maybe a bit surprised. Maybe I just like practicing debate. Maybe me and you have a lot more in common than you would suppose.

How is the application cycle treating ya though? I'm actually curious, very impressed by your MCAT, not so much by your GPA.

 

[oaklandguy]

people in general have more in common than not.

not applying this cycle, thanks. gpa is truly a killer.

Quite unfortunate. Good luck for when you do apply, hopefully they will be able to see you for more than a state. What are your plans for now if you don't mind me asking?

 

[greatnt249]

i have to admit it's kind of true.

Doesn't mean it needs to be stated.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

Quite unfortunate. Good luck for when you do apply, hopefully they will be able to see you for more than a state. What are your plans for now if you don't mind me asking?

SMP, for reasons that are obvious. gpa is my own doing so i don't pity myself too much. oh well. such is life.

 

[BennieBlanco]

No, I am friends with some of these people and these people have similarities with many people. This is part my problem. If anyone is lonely it is me. However, don't worry, I am not lonely. As I stated in a an apparently douche-bag way, I am quite sociable (in my opinion so you guys don't go saying my ego is huge and that I am strong picking on the weak).

I'm tired of this because this seems hopeless.

It is when you stated people were dumb, ugly, socially inept, that we said you were picking on the weak. You didn't say, "I'm sociable" you said, most pre med are ugly and stupid at my school, etc

This is a fair analysis of your actions and was in no way harsh.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

Doesn't mean it needs to be stated.

i guess so, but i dish it out so i can take it as well.

 

[oaklandguy]

This again is douchebaggery!!! Stop please dude.

Cool person: Nice MCAT

Arrogant douchebag: very impressed by your MCAT, not so much by your GPA

Well I am curious as to his situation because who knows I may be in the same situation at one point. And Oh please, because I'm realistic I am a douche-bag? Come on. I'm not gonna sit here and be fake with you guys. If you all truly think I'm a douche-bag that's fine. I again could not care any less about what some students on an on-line forum think about me.

 

[BennieBlanco]

Doesn't mean it needs to be stated.

exactly. If you meet a guy and you think his wife is ugly, do you say "nice body but she has an ugly face. didn't want to say but it's true, I can't lie because I'm a Christian."

hint: not socially friendly outside your college parties.