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[drhemi70]

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All,
Been awhile since I have been on here, nice to come back and see some good discussions going on. I am beginning to look at the job market, I'm in my third year and trying to make the postgrad decision of residency no residency.
So here is the question - How strict are the hospitals about the requirements for the job they have listed? Some of the jobs are saying ashp approved residency or 2 years hospital experience. I am looking at clinical positions in Boston. I have worked in a hospital for 8 months total during the summers and have the following quals:
-served P+T - many formulary decisions made based on the research I performed
-developed and implemented drug diversion detection program
-many dear physician letters to docs using bad combos of meds
-Member of Rho Chi and PLS
So for those of you who are either in a hiring position or those of you who have recently obtained a job in this area what is your experience of someone getting hired without the ashp residency?
Thanks for your help,
DR

 

[Epic]

All,
Been awhile since I have been on here, nice to come back and see some good discussions going on. I am beginning to look at the job market, I'm in my third year and trying to make the postgrad decision of residency no residency.
So here is the question - How strict are the hospitals about the requirements for the job they have listed? Some of the jobs are saying ashp approved residency or 2 years hospital experience. I am looking at clinical positions in Boston. I have worked in a hospital for 8 months total during the summers and have the following quals:
-served P+T - many formulary decisions made based on the research I performed
-developed and implemented drug diversion detection program
-many dear physician letters to docs using bad combos of meds
-Member of Rho Chi and PLS
So for those of you who are either in a hiring position or those of you who have recently obtained a job in this area what is your experience of someone getting hired with out the ashp residency?
Thanks for your help,
DR

I would probably hire you...

 

[drhemi70]

Epic,
If you wouldn't mind filling in a little more info for me. I haven't been here for awhile so I don't know what you do. Are you a director, a PIC, clinical supervising pharmacist... And what flips you over to taking a chance on hiring a kid (okay 30 year old with 4 years of drug research at a pharma company b4 he got sick of the politics) fresh out of school with this kind of experience and no residency?
DR

 

[MountainPharmD]

Z opps Epic would hire you as a drug rep...watch out....

 

[Epic]

Z opps Epic would hire you as a drug rep...watch out....

I would only hire a female with nice long legs as my drug rep...which means you're out!!!

 

[MountainPharmD]

I am not looking for a job drhemi70 is......drhemi just might meet those requirements...

 

[drhemi70]

My sister is a rep for astra, don't think I could sell myself to the political bs of a pharma company again. I was a drug developer for a pharma company for four years before I said thanks but no thanks.
DR

 

[PharmDstudent]

I am not looking for a job drhemi70 is......drhemi just might meet those requirements...

Ha. I was at a gathering today, and someone commented that my cousin and I had long legs 😛. We're Lithuanian and a few other things, but that group is suppose to be the tallest of the Europeans. Although, I'm only 5'5".

 

[Epic]

I am not looking for a job drhemi70 is......drhemi just might meet those requirements...

thought drhemi was a dood!!😱

 

[drhemi70]

Drhemi is a dude!!! With freakin tree trunks for legs!!!
DR

 

[PharmDstudent]

thought drhemi was a dood!!😱

He's just speculating, silly, or rather joking. A little bit of sarcasm. I thought you were all about the sarcasm.

"Socialized medicine is great(something like that) 👍."
Next post was:
"Please note the sarcasm"

 

[Epic]

He's just speculating, silly, or rather joking. A little bit of sarcasm. I thought you were all about the sarcasm.

"Socialized medicine is great(something like that) 👍."
Next post was:
"Please note the sarcasm"

I thought you was a dood ...

 

[PharmDstudent]

I thought you was a dood ...

They all think that. You would think the avatars and the use of smilies would tip them off, but people don't always know what they're dealing with. Maybe I should write in pink. It's like one of those newborn babies that wears a pink dress. It could be anything, boy or girl, for all people know without the pink clothes.

 

[sdn1977]

I would only hire a female with nice long legs as my drug rep...which means you're out!!!

Thanks - I've got a job😉

 

[steveysmith54]

I am curious to find out the answer to the original question.

 

[MountainPharmD]

I am curious to find out the answer to the original question.

What was the original question?

 

[drhemi70]

All,
I am starting to look for jobs. I am in my third year currently.
What I am wondering is how strict are the hospitals about hiring clinical pharmacists when they say they want someone with either 2 years of hospital experience or someone with an ASHP approved residency?
What is your experience DOP's(Epic, SDN1977 and others) when you say in an add that you want these qualifications?
To those that just got a job did you apply to a clinical position without having the 2 years hospital experience or the residency? What were the outcomes of the interview? What was the interview process like if you didn't meet the qualifications listed in the ad?
We have had our fun with side tracking the thread now lets get after the questions please.
DR

 

[Epic]

It would be helpful for you to be currently working at a hospital. As a 3rd and 4th year intern, you should be able to read and process orders.

Ask the DOP to let you at least put in some hours working as a pharmacist and input orders etc.

Make P&T participation a routine, not a one time thing.

As far as how strict will a hospital be? It really depends. One of our medium size hospital recently hired 3 recent grads.. 2 with residency and 1 who worked retail for 4 months.. Fortunately, our clinical manager is grooming them all. And all three are working out well...as clinicians and staff.

For me, it's a must that a clinical coordinator knows how to staff and understands the daily operation as a staff pharmacist, technician, purchaser, and everything there is to know about the pharmacy.

The biggest distractor is when the clinical manager separates him/herself from the rest of the department.

So to answer your question, it all depends... and it really depends on you.

 

[sdn1977]

I've thought about this awhile.

Your experience is during the summers. I think that will work to your negative, but it won''t necessarily completely rule you out for an inpt job.

But, you have to work hard to get that experience. You have 8 months over some summers - that doesn't show continuity. So, you need to be willing to work relief or per diem to show them what you do know.

Think about this - its costs the institution a lot to train you. They'd rather be sure you are a good & "safe" candidate to continue. So, yeah, apply, but don't be surprised to find they only have a per diem spot open. Often full time people are hired this way. In fact, I know of many places who will only hire their pharmacists from their per diem pool.

When you're there - as Epic said, be willing - always! Don't b*tch & moan about how outdated or backwards or old their program is for kinetics. Be willing to check for outdates, take the "bad" shifts, whatever it takes. Be sure to let that dop & clinical manager know you're interested in a full time position.

But, so much will depend on what the institution needs at the time and who else is out there.

Don't give up....just get out there & do that ground work it takes to get into a beginning position.

Good luck!