Originally posted by sloneczko
there has got to be a way. I believe that if you want it bad enough, you'll find a way to do it. You need a work permit, first and foremost. to get that, you need to get some connections with physicians in charge at training hospitals in europe and they need to want to take you on.
if you can get some experience at hospitals abroad during medical school it could help!
Remember that non citizens immigrate into the US everday and they do it based on their own will and good immigration lawyers of course ( i know i work in an immigration law firm, and it is all just paperwork and connections). I'm sure they have immigration lawyers who do the same things in europe too.
Originally posted by leorl
I know people who've done it, but don't know the exact details of their situations. I'll try to ask. It's not impossible. While in the past people have focused on returning, and are still focusing on returning...things are starting to change. The way the dollar is REALLY devaluating against the euro with no end in sight (EEEEPS!!!!), the working conditions we have to face as residents in the US and getting really crap pay for it (20,000 per year for surgery internship?!?!?! sorry, I'm not in medicine for the money, but that would really bother me when a medical lab technician can earn 35,000 starting of), the current situation with losing autonomy because of health insurance companies and lawyers, the outrageous overhead and insurance costs, and the loss of ability to practice where we want (now people are losing jobs if they refuse to go rural)... all these things are making staying in Europe so much more attractive. Especially since as residents you make a ton load more money...might not make as much as a specialist in the US, but still...there's good money over here.
When I first started med school, I really was just focused on going home and I'm still going to do everything I need for it. But I have to say, I am really considering trying to stay in Europe or going to the UK.
Originally posted by leorl
Unfortunately, word of mouth. I have an acquaintance who graduated from Univ. of Cincinnati and is now doing internship in Cleveland (probably just general surgery). I'm not sure exactly where, I'm hoping it's not at the Cleveland Clinic. But she's only making 20 grand.
Originally posted by researchprof
The US doesn't get 1 million immigrants a year. That is not credible; cite your sources Miklos.
During the 1990s, an average of more than 1.3 million immigrants ? legal and illegal ? settled in the United States each year. Between January 2000 and March 2002, 3.3 million additional immigrants have arrived. In less than 50 years, the U.S. Census Bureau projects that immigration will cause the population of the United States to increase from its present 288 million to more than 400 million.
The foreign-born population of the United States is currently 33.1 million, equal to 11.5 percent of the U.S. population. Of this total, the Census Bureau estimates 8-9 million are illegal immigrants. Other estimates indicate a considerably higher number of illegal immigrants.
Approximately 1 million people receive permanent residency annually. In addition, the Census Bureau estimates a net increase of 500,000 illegal immigrants annually.
The present level of immigration is significantly higher than the average historical level of immigration. This flow may be attributed, in part, to the extraordinary broadening of U.S. immigration policy in 1965. Since 1970, more than 30 million legal and illegal immigrants have settled in the U.S., representing more than one-third of all people ever to come to America's shores.
At the peak of the Great Wave of immigration in 1910, the number of immigrants living in the U.S. was less than half of what it is today, though the percentage of the population was slightly higher. The annual arrival of 1.5 million legal and illegal immigrants, coupled with 750,000 annual births to immigrant women, is the determinate factor? or three-fourths? of all U.S. population growth.
NewGuyBob said:originally posted by tlew12778
As long as you have a degree issued from a school within the European Union (and both Ireland and England are in the EU), ALL EU countries MUST recognise the degree. It's required by EU law.
Currently I am in my last year in Poland, and all the Brits, Irish and Scandinavians students at my school are getting paid training positions in the UK. No PLAB, IELTS or any exams at ALL The only qualifications required to apply for a training position in the UK are: 1) A medical diploma from a EU member state (including Poland, Hungary, Czech Rep.), and 2) E.U. CITIZENSHIP.
For example, I have an american passport. That means that even though I'll graduate the same Polish program as my European classmates, I must take the PLAB and IELTS before applying to these positions.
Also, right now there is a major physician shortage in the UK. They are recruiting practicing physicians all over the world. Through this recruiting program physicians can go to England and get ALL of their medical education and post graduate training automatically validated. Some of the countries they are recruiting from include New Zealand, E.U. (including new members), India, China etc. But I have no idea if this recruiting program applies to the US.
miklos said:While the US takes in something like 1m immigrants each year, legal, cultural and language barriers keep immigrants out of Europe.
JoeNamaMD said:Britain's program is highly restrictive.
Newquagmire said:Are you saying that immigrants to the US dont face the same barriers??
Word. When I came to the UK as a lab tech, the first visa application by my employer got denied. Apparently, the standard for non-EU citizens is to prove that "no one else in the EU can fulfill the job requirements." Thankfully, the appeal eventually went through.