strategies for those who do not have acceptances yet

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last year i didnt get into medical school, this year i got into 3 so far with more interviews still coming.

I thought id start a post to help out people who are still trying to get that first acceptance with some things they can be doing now instead of just lurking on SDN (which by the way does not correlate to acceptance letters!)


1) Identify the weakest parts of your application and see what about it you can improve. Is your MCAT score low? Start studying now to plan on taking it again in March if you do not get in anywhere so you have an enormous amount of time to really nail it for next cycle and be able to apply early. If your grades are lacking, now is the time to start looking at possible post bacs and masters degrees. These things are rolling and your best chance is to apply early, just like in med school.

2) Gain valuable clinical experience. Not only does this look good on your resume, but its a guaranteed time consumer on your interview. You WILL be asked at every interview about any significant clinical experiences you have had. I have had 7 interviews total so far, every single one of them touched on this for at least 10 minutes. In addition to being able to talk about your clinical experience, thats less time they can spend asking you about stuff you wont be as good answering. Not to mention, valuable letters of recommendation come from clinical shadowing. IF you dont want to shadow, get a job as a technician (which is what i do) and you can even learn how to take patient histories before starting medical school! Hospitals are a revolving door and hire often.

3) Establish connections. So you fear you wont be getting in this time around, or are at least being smart and preparing for the possibility. Now is the time to start building a relationship with someone who can write you a killer letter next spring. Dont wait until next spring because you will be reading this thread again next november.

4) Remember, that it is only november. Many students are not accepted until the week before classes begin. Never give up hope, keep following up with schools, express your interest and what you can offer the school. Letters of interest and letters of intent are crucial.

5) Dont let people tell you what you can and cant do. My premed adviser last year asked me if i considered nursing or another field when i didnt get in, and did so in a condescending way. I told her F OFF.



Some other tips


On interview day:
-ask questions, youre there to learn as well as having the school learn about you. Dont make up stupid questions, but probe for a deeper understanding about why that school is unique.
-befriend your fellow interviewees, ive found every day to go by so much better when im in a laughing and joking mood with at least a couple people. You will be better off if you go into your interview loose.
-dont eat tuna fish.. please dont eat tuna fish. I dont even know why schools put those sandwiches out before youre supposed to interview.
-bring floss, make sure your teeth are clean. It doesnt seem like much, but youd be surprised what can turn some people off.
-most of all: STAY RELAXED. I have NEVER had an interviewer try to bust my balls. Ive been asked hard questions, but youd be surprised at how much better you are at answering them in the actual interview than you do when you practice.



Things not to do:
-studying every ethical dilemma possible to prepare for those questions. This is just stupid, if you get asked these questions, I DONT KNOW, is a better answer than making up something youre unsure of. Why the hell would the interviewer expect you to have the right answer to how our nation's healthcare should be handled when the nation doesnt even know that answer.

its all about how you answer, or what let you to that answer. So if you don't support Euthanasia, its okay to say so, as long as you support your answer with some sort of justification.

for example: its okay to say as a dr. i believe my responsibility is to preserve life not take it away. because that shows a thought process. Saying its against the law is not a wrong answer, but it really doesnt show much thought



if i think of more ill post but just thought id type this up for some people here. I like the DO forum more than the MD forum so it goes here
 
Just curious, did you apply late last year and early this year? I think a big problem I see on SDN is people applying late.
 
thank you for this it is very helpful and encouraging
 
Just curious, did you apply late last year and early this year? I think a big problem I see on SDN is people applying late.

I hate to say it man, but it is true that if you apply late your chances are severely diminished.
 
I hate to say it man, but it is true that if you apply late your chances are severely diminished.


What is considered late? The secondary submittal dates are obviously a lot later in the cycle.

In my situation I had my secondaries in by September, but the LOR took a few extra weeks. I received an interview invite in early Oct and haven't heard much of anything since...it's hard to tell what it going to happen.

Thanks for the advice-at this point I do know my MCAT score is my biggest downfall, but also decided it was worth the risk this year. We shall see.
 
When can you start applying for these other programs? I've been looking into doing another Masters degree if I'm not accepted this year or don't matriculate. Wouldn't it seem weird/bad if I went ahead and applied to a program at a school where I also applied to the medical school? That is, if I haven't been rejected there yet.
 
I don't think it should be a problem. It will atleast show initiative (if they even know you are applying).
 
What is considered late? The secondary submittal dates are obviously a lot later in the cycle.

I applied in december (of last year)- january of this year, but I only applied to allopathic schools. All I was able to manage was a hold.

Thanks for the advice-at this point I do know my MCAT score is my biggest downfall, but also decided it was worth the risk this year. We shall see.

Sorry to hear that, but you may still end up somewhere if you applied in september and had an interview in october. If you can't get in this year, the next year is not that far away.
 
I also applied last year without success but have fared much better this year, so I'll throw in a couple of things too.

Some schools, if you contact them, will let you know reasons why they did not accept you. If a school offers this kind of support get in contact with them and perhaps they'll have suggestions as to how to improve for next time.

Hands on clinical experience is a wonderful thing as stated before. I highly recommend this as well... technician, EMT, etc. One of my interviewers said that shadowing only goes so far, and that it really means something to see an applicant actually get their 'hands dirty'.

And if you don't get in the first time don't get discouraged. Collect yourself, stay positive, and go for it again when you feel the time is right. Think of a back up plan that will keep you happy, and keep showing a continued interest in the medical field. If you want it badly enough you can do it.
 
When can you start applying for these other programs? I've been looking into doing another Masters degree if I'm not accepted this year or don't matriculate. Wouldn't it seem weird/bad if I went ahead and applied to a program at a school where I also applied to the medical school? That is, if I haven't been rejected there yet.


first, you can start applying now, you should research what type of program you would be interested in. I do caution your interest though, these programs cost a FORTUNE and will add to your already substantial debt. Really make sure that this kind of program is what you really need to put you over the edge.

Also keep in mind they are MUCH harder than undergraduate programs, and you need to ace them to demonstrate your capabilities to med school.

Finally, no its not bad to apply to these programs why still waiting to hear from schools. Thats what theyre there for.
 
first, you can start applying now, you should research what type of program you would be interested in. I do caution your interest though, these programs cost a FORTUNE and will add to your already substantial debt. Really make sure that this kind of program is what you really need to put you over the edge.

Also keep in mind they are MUCH harder than undergraduate programs, and you need to ace them to demonstrate your capabilities to med school.

Finally, no its not bad to apply to these programs why still waiting to hear from schools. Thats what theyre there for.

I mean I could try to work in the meantime instead of doing another Masters degree but I've heard that people have a hard time finding something. Honestly I don't think it would improve my application all that much. My downfall was the MCAT which I'm already retaking on January 25.
 
If you already have a masters or your gpa is decent, I would recommend just working on the MCAT... if that is your downfall.
 
i agree with jpc, from what youre telling me, the post bac/masters route would be a complete waste of your time.
 
Well I will be graduating with my MPH in May. Okay so pretending I do well on the January MCAT but I end up not matriculating in the fall, what should I do for the lag year? I'll have to have money somehow. Should I just try to work somewhere? Of course it would help to have some idea of where we might be moving but I don't. Oh and my sGPA is 3.47 and my overall is 3.19. My grad GPA is a little less than 3.5 I believe and due to financial aid constraints I couldn't do a post-bacc anyway to bring those up.
 
Well I will be graduating with my MPH in May. Okay so pretending I do well on the January MCAT but I end up not matriculating in the fall, what should I do for the lag year? I'll have to have money somehow. Should I just try to work somewhere? Of course it would help to have some idea of where we might be moving but I don't. Oh and my sGPA is 3.47 and my overall is 3.19. My grad GPA is a little less than 3.5 I believe and due to financial aid constraints I couldn't do a post-bacc anyway to bring those up.

Is that your BCPM or BCP? Either way, that is higher than my 3.39 BCP. You have good ecs. Assuming you do well on your MCAT, maybe you can continue volunteering or shadowing when you have time, and continue taking care of the kids.

But, since you need money, maybe you can work in a hospital or substitute teach. Teaching is an important part of medicine.
 
Is that your BCPM or BCP? Either way, that is higher than my 3.39 BCP. You have good ecs. Assuming you do well on your MCAT, maybe you can continue volunteering or shadowing when you have time, and continue taking care of the kids.

That's my BCP. The M is what's bringing down my overall because I got a D in Calculus my freshman year of college. Of course it's not the only thing.
 
I made a change to my post... I didn't see you needed money.
 
Yeah I'll really have to start thinking about all these things. It's true we would need money coming in but if the money I made only covered daycare it doesn't seem to make much sense. That's why I wish we knew already where we are moving to so I could get a better idea of finances and other things.
 
then i recommend getting a job anywhere and volunteering as an EMT in your spare time.

EMT or hospital volunteer.. they always take volunteers u dont have to worry about getting something. I volunteered in the ER for a summer, it was fun.
 
EEL, are you EMT cert?
 
I did really enjoy volunteering at the hospital. I am not EMT certified. I'm not sure how that works exactly.
 
I did really enjoy volunteering at the hospital. I am not EMT certified. I'm not sure how that works exactly.

It costs money and is like an actual course you have to take. It is time consuming from what I have observed.
 
At this point I think it's a good idea for me to look into all possible options for next year. My husband and I keep discussing all the ways it could work out for next year so at least we're somewhat prepared.
 
If your husband gets in, are you only going to apply to that school next year?
 
It costs money and is like an actual course you have to take. It is time consuming from what I have observed.

Often you can get an EMT certification for free if you are a member of an organization, such as a fire or ambulance company (at least in New York State, I would assume that it is also done in other places). Many volunteer organizations are always looking for people and may offer to put you through the course.

Courses range in length. You would start with an EMT-Basic course, which requires a certain number of class, lab, and clinical hours (off the top of my head I don't remember exactly how many). Some courses take a couple of months, others spread out the required time over a longer period. It is not unheard of for people to become a certified EMT in one summer. On the other hand, I took a course that went from September to May because it worked with my undergrad schedule (met only one night per week on an evening I didn't have classes).

It is often possible for one to find classes that fit their schedule.
 
If your husband gets in, are you only going to apply to that school next year?

Well it depends. If it's a place where there are other schools in the area I will apply to those. Most likely it would be the only school I would be applying to.
 
Well I will be graduating with my MPH in May. Okay so pretending I do well on the January MCAT but I end up not matriculating in the fall, what should I do for the lag year? I'll have to have money somehow. Should I just try to work somewhere? Of course it would help to have some idea of where we might be moving but I don't. Oh and my sGPA is 3.47 and my overall is 3.19. My grad GPA is a little less than 3.5 I believe and due to financial aid constraints I couldn't do a post-bacc anyway to bring those up.

Your sGPA is 3.47? I think all you need now is the mcat. If you score 30+ on your mcat, even if you don't get in where your husband got in this year, I dont' see how the school will reject you if you apply next year.
 
Your sGPA is 3.47? I think all you need now is the mcat. If you score 30+ on your mcat, even if you don't get in where your husband got in this year, I dont' see how the school will reject you if you apply next year.

Okay you guys are making me question myself. Let me double check.
 
Okay you guys are making me question myself. Let me double check.

No, that wasn't the intent, the intent was to give my opinion that you are in a good position, just do very well on that mcat. 👍 but ofcourse, thats just my opinion.
 
Okay here's my breakdown:

sGPA non-science cumGPA
undergrad 3.457 3.098 3.191
post-bacc 3.587 4.00 3.620
graduate 3.533 3.487 3.494

If anyone thinks I should try to improve in one of my GPA areas please let me know! 🙂
 
No, that wasn't the intent, the intent was to give my opinion that you are in a good position, just do very well on that mcat. 👍 but ofcourse, thats just my opinion.

No it wasn't what you said really I just don't remember my GPAs that well so I started to question if that was right.
 
Okay here's my breakdown:

sGPA non-science cumGPA
undergrad 3.457 3.098 3.191
post-bacc 3.587 4.00 3.620
graduate 3.533 3.487 3.494

If anyone thinks I should try to improve in one of my GPA areas please let me know! 🙂

I guess the any improvement is good, but why? the problem is the low mcat. If I were you, I would just work on mcat and not worry that much about the gpa. good luck 👍
 
I guess the any improvement is good, but why? the problem is the low mcat. If I were you, I would just work on mcat and not worry that much about the gpa. good luck 👍

Thanks for the advice! I'm really hoping I will do much better on the January 25 MCAT so I won't have to take it a third time. I know what I did wrong the first time so I just have to focus on fixing that.
 
Thanks for the advice! I'm really hoping I will do much better on the January 25 MCAT so I won't have to take it a third time. I know what I did wrong the first time so I just have to focus on fixing that.

gl
 
Okay here's my breakdown:

sGPA non-science cumGPA
undergrad 3.457 3.098 3.191
post-bacc 3.587 4.00 3.620
graduate 3.533 3.487 3.494

If anyone thinks I should try to improve in one of my GPA areas please let me know! 🙂

Hi EELO8! I think that your GPA's look great. I'm not posting my actual number for everyone to find (I like to keep as much anonymity as possible) but if you want to know my exact numbers I can PM you. That being said, your GPA's are much higher than mine. I did a BS as an undergrad and then an MPH w/o any post-bacc classes. I've had one school tell me that they look at MPH grades but not as much as other grade/post-bacc b/c they are not "hard science enough."

I don't know your MCAT scores either, but I have taken it 3 times, first was great in 2001 and two this year went from crappy to just above average.

I applied to 7 DO schools, got secondaries to 6 of them, have been invited to 3 interviews and 2 acceptances already. I think that my volunteers hours, extra experiences and clinical knowledge is what made them look past a low GPA. I was even asked, "if you don't get in what would you do." I told my interviewer, "I want to go to medical school and will do what it takes. The hard part is that I don't have a lot of money so I need to work and the weak part of my application is my undergrad GPA so if I dont' get in this year I'll probably have to take a couple years to take enough classes to improve my GPA so I can apply again."

With your GPA, if you get at least a 26 on the MCAT, I'm sure that you'll get interviews. If it doesn't happen this year, I would try to get a job in the health care field or the Public Health field. That kind of experience is very very valued. Both schools I applied to pushed their 1-yr MPH for DO students program. So the fact that you will have one already should do wonders for your overall application.

Good luck!

HD
 
Okay here's my breakdown:

sGPA non-science cumGPA
undergrad 3.457 3.098 3.191
post-bacc 3.587 4.00 3.620
graduate 3.533 3.487 3.494

If anyone thinks I should try to improve in one of my GPA areas please let me know! 🙂

Nice Stats, damn I wish my gpa was that good. EEL08 you will get in this year, you have an interview invite... God has a place for us, and if he wants us to go there YOU WILL. If he doesn't then you won't. Like for example me, 2 years in a row I was waitlisted at MSUCOM, maybe there is a reason God doesn't want me to go there 😕. Look if a person like me with not so good stats can get in, I am pretty sure you can also. Just have faith, be patient and remember atleast you got your Health :meanie:
 
I got a 22 on the MCAT which I know I can bring up. I hope that at least my increasing GPA will weigh in more if not my almost MPH. I do believe that God knows what school is right for us and which ones are not. Sometimes it's hard to remind myself that I'm not in control of this whole process, or at least not as much as I would like. The more my husband and I talk about this, and we do a lot, the more calm I am about the possibility of not matriculating in the fall. Not that I think I don't have a chance but at the beginning I was so scared about being a reapplicant and I'm not sure why. I guess I'm absorbing the wisdom my husband has now that he's practically AARP material. :laugh:

The thing is I could get in somewhere and not matriculate. Let's say I get more interviews and my husband and I both get into school A and only he gets into school B. If he really loves school B and feels it would be a much better fit for him then I would be more than willing to forego an acceptance to allow him to attend that school. Hopefully we'll both be accepted to a school we both love. That is definitely the goal but I won't be freaked out or heartbroken if we don't. Things will work out with this as they have with other aspects of my life in the past. I can't tell you guys how much I appreciate your support and encouragement. 😍 Our families are not strongly supportive and I know some people think we're crazy for both applying. To those people in our lives I want to say just wait until we're both doctors living the high life in Beverly Hills with a fleet of our own personal jets!! :meanie:

P.S. That last sentence is a joke in case anyone thought I was delusional. 😀
 
well, for those of us that are still in school right now, my advice is to do well on finals, since if you do well this semester that could be the factor that puts you over the top. Other than that, i would simply pray since its in G-d's hands after that.
 
To those people in our lives I want to say just wait until we're both doctors living the high life in Beverly Hills with a fleet of our own personal jets!! :meanie:

Man, it would be nice to make as much money as Dr. Kirby.
 
I got a 22 on the MCAT which I know I can bring up.

So this is really weird! When I was talking with the dean of admissions at MSU-COM in April he told me that this year (EC 2007) they have a non-trad woman matriculating and she only had a 22 on the MCAT. They said that she was a very strong applicant, had a ton of experience and a good GPA. They could tell that her MCAT performance was b/c of being out of those courses for so long mixed with other stuff going on in her life.

I was like...okay...I better not have done that bad, but okay. I get my score back and what did I get....22S!!! It was such a disappointment, but it was also like God telling me, I'll get you in where I want you, even with a 22! I retook in July and got a 27R, so I have faith that you will be fine!

HD
 
So this is really weird! When I was talking with the dean of admissions at MSU-COM in April he told me that this year (EC 2007) they have a non-trad woman matriculating and she only had a 22 on the MCAT. They said that she was a very strong applicant, had a ton of experience and a good GPA. They could tell that her MCAT performance was b/c of being out of those courses for so long mixed with other stuff going on in her life.

I was like...okay...I better not have done that bad, but okay. I get my score back and what did I get....22S!!! It was such a disappointment, but it was also like God telling me, I'll get you in where I want you, even with a 22! I retook in July and got a 27R, so I have faith that you will be fine!

HD

Aw man I should have applied! 😛 I hope other schools might see my score that way. I'm not sure what's considered a long time to be out of those courses but it's been at least 3 years since I finished all but two of the prereqs. Congrats on getting your score up! You will be my role model from here on out. 😀 Any tips on how to increase my score?
 
Aw man I should have applied! 😛 I hope other schools might see my score that way. I'm not sure what's considered a long time to be out of those courses but it's been at least 3 years since I finished all but two of the prereqs. Congrats on getting your score up! You will be my role model from here on out. 😀 Any tips on how to increase my score?

Don't have influenza!!! Seriously, I came down with the flu the week before the April test. It sucked so bad. I could barely see straight when taking that one. I had taken the Princeton Review MCAT prep in 2001 so I just tried to remember the strategy they taught me and applied it to my studying. I know that chem (gen and organic) and physics was going to kill me on the MCAT, so I went to Barnes and Noble and got the Cliff's Notes study guides and just studied those three subjects. It shows that I didn't study enough (my breakdown was 11V, 7PS and 9BS)--I wish I had done more practice tests, but hey, I was happy to get a 27 and I am in!

On a side note...the weirdest question I got in my interview was, "So, why did you retake the MCAT?" I sat there for about 30 seconds thinking, 'are you serious?' He then followed up with "29 is a great score, why retake it." I honestly had to explain to him that the 29 was from 2001 and schools don't accept scores that are more than 3 years old. He didn't follow up with anything about my 2 scores from this year.
 
as for tips for studying for the mcat..

the mistake i made the first time around was spending too much time 'studying' and not enough time 'taking practice tests'

you learn by practice problems, dont spend more than 40% of your overall time invested in the mcat studying like you do for other exams.
 
I took Kaplan so I had access to a good amount of questions. I studied material on weekdays (I worked full time) and on weekends I took two tests, one on Sat and one on Sun. I was doing an internship away from home, so it was a perfect opportunity to study.
 
as for tips for studying for the mcat..

the mistake i made the first time around was spending too much time 'studying' and not enough time 'taking practice tests'


you learn by practice problems, dont spend more than 40% of your overall time invested in the mcat studying like you do for other exams.

I agree with this. I think the highest yield study method for me was doing practice problems. The "1001 Questions" series from Examkrackers was really good to this end. If I had it to do again I'd spend much more time on practice problems.
 
Okay here's my breakdown:

sGPA non-science cumGPA
undergrad 3.457 3.098 3.191
post-bacc 3.587 4.00 3.620
graduate 3.533 3.487 3.494

If anyone thinks I should try to improve in one of my GPA areas please let me know! 🙂

I think that your GPA(s) look really good.

My GPA also has the upward trend (much higher post-bacc than ugrad), and schools seemed to like that, so I think your strong post-bacc GPA will help a lot.
 
I took Kaplan so I had access to a good amount of questions. I studied material on weekdays (I worked full time) and on weekends I took two tests, one on Sat and one on Sun. I was doing an internship away from home, so it was a perfect opportunity to study.

yea for those who are taking kaplan, do every single problem they give you on the computer don't leave any single problem alone.
The key to doing well on the mcat is doing the problem sets, this way you will know how to apply the information to the test. Ofcourse before this you should try to understand the concepts. To do that, one thing you can do is divide the time. If you are doing three months of studying , take one week to review all the physics material and 3 weeks doing physical sciences section passages. Same deal for the rest of the sections. goodluck 👍
 
Okay here's my breakdown:

sGPA non-science cumGPA
undergrad 3.457 3.098 3.191
post-bacc 3.587 4.00 3.620
graduate 3.533 3.487 3.494

If anyone thinks I should try to improve in one of my GPA areas please let me know! 🙂


If you're going strictly DO, I'd say just work on your MCAT, big time though.
these are my stats and got every single secondary I applied to and 5 interviews so far. First one next week.

MCAT 7PS/11VR/10BS WS/P
post bacc gpa of 3.685.
overall science 3.431.
Overall GPA 3.149.
 
Don't have influenza!!! Seriously, I came down with the flu the week before the April test.[/B]
:laugh:👍
Agree with HrvatskiDoktor
I took the MCAT with mono. I know what you mean. That sucks. We found out I had it 2 weeks before the mcat, and I still did ok, I guess.
 
I always get sick for finals week...
 
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