Student Conduct Violation- Intimidation

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You mean the one where Will gets into Princeton and Carlton, fearing that he might not get in, acts like Will, and the Dean only wants to talk about his academic records, however the damage is done, and he threatens the Dean when he said that Carlton wasn't Princeton material? 😀

Yeah and Carlton starts talking about his big friends with pizza on their breath.
Yeah that's the one.

OP-
It takes a special type of person to threaten someone like that. Whatever the situation is, it's not worth threatening someone. That's a road you don't want to go down. Hope you learned your lesson.
 
Based on your story, I have a hard time believing the fact that you could single handedly get this prof a better job at a different school? I would love to hear how you were planning on doing that.
 
Hi everyone,

I would like to share a specific incident I had a few year ago in UG. My Freshman year (2007) I was taking calculus with a visiting professor. This professor had recently come to the US, and had a very awkward and nontraditional teaching method that was frankly rude and unhelpful.

In any case, I was doing terrible in this course, and by the end of the semester my final grade would be heavily weighed by my performance on my final exam. I did very bad on the final. Even before I received my grade, I emailed my professor and asked that he would consider giving me a passing grade. I did not receive a reply from him and the next day I went to his office. He told me that I would receive an F. I then preceded to do something I regret- In essence I tried to bribe him, by telling him that I would get him fired and that I would be able to get him a better teaching position at another university.

The professor filled a misconduct form against me detailing what I have stated above. I was found responsible of violating the student code for intimidation. I was placed on disciplinary probation for a semester. This violation does not show up on my academic transcript but it may show up on my academic records (I am not sure).

My question is, how bad is this violation going to be when I apply to medical school? Can anyone give me any advise on any steps I should take to resolve this?

Thank you

Try bribing the prof again....and if that does not work, try threatening etc
 
This interesting tale of intimidating and bullying a foreign-born professor is going to go over real well with the foreign-born professors in med school. I hope you don't have a habit of intimidating and threatening people to get what you want. Look at what happened when you threatened the wrong people. To a med school or licensing board, your clumsy and delusional attempts at extortion and blackmail are signs of moral turpitude, not immaturity.
 
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OP, on top of the profoundly unwise ethical decisions, adcoms won't exactly be climbing over themselves to interview you after seeing your F in calculus.
 
Based on your story, I have a hard time believing the fact that you could single handedly get this prof a better job at a different school? I would love to hear how you were planning on doing that.

Haha I was wondering the same thing.

But, seriously OP, I'm not sure what you were expecting SDN's reaction to be with this story. You were bound to be flamed no matter how much you had learned or changed since the incident.

I think the best advice in this thread is to do two things. First, contact your pre-med adviser and see what his/her thoughts are on the incident, what you can do, etc. And second, contact some local medical schools and try to gauge their response to the issue. Emphasize that you have changed and are extremely regretful but you are interested in knowing if it is even worth applying at this point. Its not guaranteed that they will be able to respond (or will have anywhere close to an answer that you are looking for), but its worth a shot. And, honestly, it is about all you can do at this point.

It is expensive to apply to medical school. You now know the response you are going to get on SDN and its not a good one. The reality probably isn't much (if any) better, but you might want to do some homework before you waste a lot of money applying.
 
Haha I was wondering the same thing.

But, seriously OP, I'm not sure what you were expecting SDN's reaction to be with this story. You were bound to be flamed no matter how much you had learned or changed since the incident.

I think the best advice in this thread is to do two things. First, contact your pre-med adviser and see what his/her thoughts are on the incident, what you can do, etc. And second, contact some local medical schools and try to gauge their response to the issue. Emphasize that you have changed and are extremely regretful but you are interested in knowing if it is even worth applying at this point. Its not guaranteed that they will be able to respond (or will have anywhere close to an answer that you are looking for), but its worth a shot. And, honestly, it is about all you can do at this point.

It is expensive to apply to medical school. You now know the response you are going to get on SDN and its not a good one. The reality probably isn't much (if any) better, but you might want to do some homework before you waste a lot of money applying.

He sounds like he is great at dealing with people
 
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In my opinion, this type of behavior is more silly/stupid than serious. I would think that ADCOMs would view offenses that place others at physical harm (drunk driving, physical insult etc.) and incidences of cheating (which really challenges one's moral ethics) more profoundly.

I would ask for guidance from members on this forum that have possibly had some type of interactions with ADCOMS- I think Catalystik can give you a more reasonable answer.

Also, have you tried contacting this professor and asking for forgiveness. That may help your transition a bit.
 
You know what I find hilarious- is that people feel like they can judge my personality by one stupid mistake I have made. But it is okay with me because I PUT myself in this position by asking for your input and because I know and I am confident of my character and integrity. I also know what type of physician I will be.

Ok, people aren't judging your personality based on the one mistake, but also on your account of it. Best case scenario, you're a recovering self-entitled prick; worst case, a sociopath. Unfortunately, despite wanting to give you the benefit of the doubt, it's looking like sociopath is more likely.

You even spun the charge, reducing it to "bribery-in-essence". No, the charge was intimidation--you threatened the man. You insist on describing his deficiencies rather than your own. Your expressions of regret ring hollow. Your hubristic confidence in your character and integrity does not bode well.

We'd be hearing a lot more humility had you made a mistake and learned from it. I'd process what happened until you feel worse for the prof than you do yourself--then consider sharing what happened with ad coms.
 
don't worry man

if the interviewers ask about it just beat them up
 
I just wanted to say one more thing before dropping this thread...In creating this post, it was not my intention to show people on the internet, people that do not know me- what I have "learned" from this situation or how I have "matured" from this incident. ANYONE CAN SAY SUCH THINGS, and how can we as people behind the computer know if they are being honest. I always have hated to see people who make mistakes in their lives, run to the internet to show remorse and babble about how shameful he/she feels. A person who does truly take responsibility for his/her actions and is truly regretful does not need to plead his case over the internet to people that he does not know.

My intention in writing this thread was to receive some feedback from people that have been through such a situation, and are thus able to give me advise on how to proceed. I mentioned the professor's character, not to blame him for my actions- but I do BLAME HIM FOR THE GRADE I DID RECEIVE. I believe his method of teaching was horrible and this has been a universal sentiment from his students. My right to criticize his teaching method and overall personality has NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW I FEEL ABOUT MY BEHAVIOR ON THAT SPECIFIC DAY. And I honestly feel sorry for people that are having a hard time grasping such a difference.
 
My right to criticize his teaching method and overall personality has NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW I FEEL ABOUT MY BEHAVIOR ON THAT SPECIFIC DAY. And I honestly feel sorry for people that are having a hard time grasping such a difference.

And we've exercised our right to criticize your overall personality based on what we've seen.

What I've seen is many of the characteristics of psychopathy. Your posts here creeped a lot of people out, and I suspect that's why. So, if you're not a psychopath, stop acting like one for a moment and absorb the reality that people (not just here) experience you as psychopathic. That is not good.

Or you can keep compartmentalizing, adopting an imperious attitude, and, you know, keep coming across like you suffer from a reputation-defending subtype of ASPD. Either way, good luck.
 
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I mentioned the professor's character, not to blame him for my actions- but I do BLAME HIM FOR THE GRADE I DID RECEIVE. I believe his method of teaching was horrible and this has been a universal sentiment from his students.

News flash: In med school you alone are responsible for the grade you receive. There is no spoon feeding. You're on your own. Teaching methods and teacher personalities are irrelevant. The responsibility for learning is yours and yours only.
 
Better watch out- we psychopaths have serious anger management issues. If you cross us you'll be sorry!

But surely, you can forgive that kind of behavior can't you?? 3 years, 3 hours, what's the difference? I've learned my lesson!
 
My intention in writing this thread was to receive some feedback from people that have been through such a situation, and are thus able to give me advise on how to proceed. I mentioned the professor's character, not to blame him for my actions- but I do BLAME HIM FOR THE GRADE I DID RECEIVE. I believe his method of teaching was horrible and this has been a universal sentiment from his students. My right to criticize his teaching method and overall personality has NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW I FEEL ABOUT MY BEHAVIOR ON THAT SPECIFIC DAY. And I honestly feel sorry for people that are having a hard time grasping such a difference.
I don't think you'll find many people who have intimidated their professor, and still managed to get into medical school.
 
OP, you want advice from people who've done what you've done? You won't find them here because they don't get into medical school.

What I've seen is many of the characteristics of psychopathy. Your posts here creeped a lot of people out, and I suspect that's why. So, if you're not a psychopath, stop acting like one for a moment and absorb the reality that people (not just here) experience you as psychopathic. That is not good.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw this. Impulsive, doesn't take the blame (and blaming the victim no less), unremorseful, deceptive, manipulative, etc. That's what jumped out at me immediately from the first post, and continued on through the rest. Maybe the OP isn't a sociopath, and maybe he actually is sorry, but I sure as hell hope that any adcom will see these things and decide he's not worth the risk when there are thousands of other applicants available who don't have qualities that scream psychopath.
 
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Thanks for all the comments. It was no doubt an idiotic thing to do. The only reason I would have done something like that is because the enormous stress I was feeling over the need to get perfect grades. Anyways, this incident occurred 4 years ago. I know I am a lot more mature and responsible now.

Seriously, dude? "Enormous stress" my a**. If you were to somehow be accepted into a medical program -- or any other professional program for that matter -- you would experience MUCH greater stress than you did as a freshmen premedical student. Further, the level of stress involved when someone's life is on the line and complex, urgent decisions must be made is far greater than anything you might have encountered in a calculus class. Frankly, this is nothing but a very lame excuse. It does nothing to lessen your culpability and everything to support a lack of growth.

Further, the following quote simply confirms your lack of changed character:


You know what I find hilarious- is that people feel like they can judge my personality by one stupid mistake I have made. But it is okay with me because I PUT myself in this position by asking for your input and because I know and I am confident of my character and integrity. I also know what type of physician I will be.

As for the remark I made about this professors attitude in the classroom- it is the same description most students would give. In fact, after being at my school for 2 semesters, he left to another university were students still complain about his attitude and behavior (I checked on ratemyprofessor). I just wanted to introduce the type of character I was dealing with; my intention was not to defend my actions.

Honestly, there is simply no reason for us to believe you have changed nor grown in any way, shape, or form. If anything, it appears you might have improved in your ability to rationalize your actions (at least to yourself -- the rest of us aren't buying any of it).




OP, you want advice from people who've done what you've done? You won't find them here because they don't get into medical school.



I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw this. Impulsive, doesn't take the blame (and blaming the victim no less), unremorseful, deceptive, manipulative, etc. That's what jumped out at me immediately from the first post, and continued on through the rest. Maybe the OP isn't a sociopath, and maybe he actually is sorry, but I sure as hell hope that any adcom will see these things and decide he's not worth the risk when there are thousands of other applicants available who don't have qualities that scream psychopath.

Exactly. I couldn't have said it better.

OP, in terms of what med schools say they want, your post seems to demonstrate the exact antithesis...

Instead of Integrity, Deception
Instead of Critical Thinking, Failure in Math
Instead of Professionalism, Intimidation
Instead of Logical Reasoning and Scientific Reasoning, Rationalization of Behavior and Failure in Mathematics
Instead of Personal Maturity, Lack of Personal Responsibility
Instead of Teamwork, Blame
Instead of Compassion, Intimidation
Instead of Self Discipline, Blame and Rationalization when you don't do well
Instead of Good Oral Communication and Verbal Skills, Blaming Others when you feel misunderstood
Instead of Intellectual Curiosity, Attempts to achieve grades through bribery
Instead of Adaptability, Believes he cannot come back in a course, continues to fail, and ultimately decides "forcing" a professor to give him an A is the only way to gain admission to medical school
Instead of Resilience, Fails to recover from a poor grade in a course
Instead of [Appropriate] Persistence, Attempts to force someone to do his bidding
Instead of Cultural Competence, Blames a foreign professor for his poor work


...Do we see a pattern here?
 
TimberRT,

I think you need to move on and forget about this stupid thread. People on this thread are obviously not helpful and you've just opened up a can of worms. Do what you think is appropriate.

For everyone else on this thread, grow up.

Everyone reacted in a very rude manner, calling someone you don't even know psychotic and crazy. With all of these rude and inappropriate comments, why would he not act defensively? ANY one of us would have reacted the same way if not worse. We should not be judging someone based off of how they react to psychotic, rude, and demeaning remarks from everyone else.
 
yeah now all you psychotic rude people better apologize to the poor guy and give him a nice big hug

get him admitted or you're fired
 
You made an account just to bump a thread from 2011? Why on earth..?

DUDE this is at least an amazing story......... I just forgot my popcorn.

I gotta admit... when I first joined the forum and thought about how I would make my first post..... "bump" .... into the most entertaining thread I've seen in a while about an OP that's so defensive after people rightfully called him out is definitely an effective use of a first post =P. I'm curious what actually ended up happening though. Anyone got an update?
 
Yeah, it's a necrobump, but it's a fascinating teaching moment. Music2doc's summary of the poster at that time was spot on.

But let's suppose in the 4 years since this post the OP has finished college and is now applying to med school. If I saw his/her app and the explanation as written in the OP's post, I'd reject the applicant before entering the interview room. I'd ask one or two softball questions, and give a 0/10 score. If the Adcom asked me my, i'd explant and into the "reject"pile he'd go.

Now on the flip side, if the applicant had grown from the immature freshman into a responsible, thoughtful senior who owned the transgression, then I'd probably ask the kid up front for an explanation. A good explanation might lead me to consider redemption is possible because people do grow.
 
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Well done necrobump. While the OP is doubtless long gone, I think it really does emphasize how important owning up to mistakes is. Coming at things with a humble and apologetic attitude plus a significant amount of time and you *might* just get out of it. With an action like intimidation in addition to the terrible attitude and I would be surprised if the OP got into any medical school.

Although @Goro I highly doubt he had a good explanation. What kind of response could redeem him in the OP's case.
 
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