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I was just wondering if any of you have been accepted to both DO and MD schools. If so, what made you make your decision as to which school you would go to. If choosing allopathic, would it be because of osteopathic medicine's philosophy, quality education, future career opportunities, the decreased perception of what a DO is by the public or because of something else? Your comments are greatly appreciated.

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I was just wondering if any of you have been accepted to both DO and MD schools. If so, what made you make your decision as to which school you would go to. If choosing allopathic, would it be because of osteopathic medicine's philosophy, quality education, future career opportunities, the decreased perception of what a DO is by the public or because of something else? Your comments are greatly appreciated.

There's a chance I could get into my state school. Since I do love the DO school that I have been accepted at. For me, the only reason for taking my state offer, would that it will be about 100k cheaper. Cant argue turning that down. This statement does take into account future plans for residencies etc.
 
There's a chance I could get into my state school. Since I do love the DO school that I have been accepted at. For me, the only reason for taking my state offer, would that it will be about 100k cheaper. Cant argue turning that down. This statement does take into account future plans for residencies etc.

same here. I'm probably doing DO unless I get into my state allopathic school. I love the DO philosophy and the only DO school I've seen; it's close to my home but is SUPER expensive.
 
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If I got a big scholarship from an allo school, I'd go. It would be hard since I do want to learn OMM and the DO philosophy.

I wish DO schools offered summer courses in OMM.
 
I declined 2 allo out of state interviews after being accepted to NYCOM. I fell in love with the school. I also would like to learn OMM. The only school for which I will give up NYCOM is AECOM, but they did not show me any love yet.
 
Biggest advantage to my "state school" (Not misery) is that the cost would be minimal, as I could probably do a service scholarship with the state (since I want to practice there anyway).
 
only reason to go allo is if I get accepted to a state school as well. I already turned down an oos allo. cuz I got into my state's DO and I love that school!
 
i got into an allo school and an osteo school and to be totally honest, i decided to take the osteo, what it boils down to is with what kind of a person you are. I like the phiolosphy behind osteo, people are gonna say what they want but you have to see what makes you happy and where you think you will come out being the best physician you possibly can. :)
 
if i get into my state school, i'll go there for reasons mentioned above. otherwise, DO school.
 
There's only really one instate school that I really like, and if I got into that one, I'd go. If not, NSU, here I come.
I had a friend who had two allo acceptances, but chose to go to NSU because he liked the school and the area a whole lot more. Cheers! :)
 
There's only really one instate school that I really like, and if I got into that one, I'd go. If not, NSU, here I come.
I had a friend who had two allo acceptances, but chose to go to NSU because he liked the school and the area a whole lot more. Cheers! :)

are you currently accepted to nsu? what should i expect when i go down there to interview? do you live around the area?
 
I haven't gotten into any allo schools yet, but I am under active consideration at Tufts right now. But, if I got in, at this point it would be hard to make a decision. I really loved Tufts when I visited it, and I love Boston. But NYCOM is starting to seem more real, I have friends who will be going there and I'm getting really psyched about it. I also have plenty of friends who live near NYCOM, and I know nobody in Boston. If I got in, I would have a really tough time deciding. I know some people say take any MD over a DO, and others say it doesn't matter at all. I believe the latter, but it won't make my decision any easier. If I get into Tufts, I might have to visit both campuses again before I make a final decision.
 
At this point my DO acceptances trump my MD. Tuition wise they are about the same, but the DO school seems to fit me better.
 
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Dr. I - Yes, I have been accepted at NSU.
I don't know about anyone else, but my interview wasn't longer than 10 min. They asked me a few questions, and that was about it. Short and sweet.
Good luck!
 
It looks like for all of us DO vs. MD really boils down to money vs. philosophy. In my case, my first choice was actually a state DO school but ... I didn't get an interview there! So now I am facing state allo school vs. DO.

I've been accepted at one DO school (have interviews at two others) and will hear on my state school Feb 15. If accepted, I'll probably stay in state and go MD simply because it would save me 100K+ over four years. But I have to say, I'm still not 100% sure.
 
I haven't gotten into any allo schools yet, but I am under active consideration at Tufts right now. But, if I got in, at this point it would be hard to make a decision. I really loved Tufts when I visited it, and I love Boston. But NYCOM is starting to seem more real, I have friends who will be going there and I'm getting really psyched about it. I also have plenty of friends who live near NYCOM, and I know nobody in Boston. If I got in, I would have a really tough time deciding. I know some people say take any MD over a DO, and others say it doesn't matter at all. I believe the latter, but it won't make my decision any easier. If I get into Tufts, I might have to visit both campuses again before I make a final decision.

Tufts?!?! LOL! And I thought NYCOM was expensive.:eek: Isn't that the school that the tuition is like 70,000 or something nuts like that? Go to NYCOM.:laugh:
 
Dr. I - Yes, I have been accepted at NSU.
I don't know about anyone else, but my interview wasn't longer than 10 min. They asked me a few questions, and that was about it. Short and sweet.
Good luck!

sounds cool, i kinda doubt mine will be that easy going. however, do you live around the area? i may have a favor to ask of you ... let me know if you do though or whatnot. gracias.
 
sounds cool, i kinda doubt mine will be that easy going. however, do you live around the area? i may have a favor to ask of you ... let me know if you do though or whatnot. gracias.

I definitely wouldn't say easygoing, just short.
Sorry, I'm from Ohio and won't be heading down there til July. Good luck! I'm sure you'll do greatL! Just don't be nervous :) (I know, easier said than done)
 
I was just wondering if any of you have been accepted to both DO and MD schools. If so, what made you make your decision as to which school you would go to. If choosing allopathic, would it be because of osteopathic medicine's philosophy, quality education, future career opportunities, the decreased perception of what a DO is by the public or because of something else? Your comments are greatly appreciated.
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If I were accepted into both MD and DO programs (and I hope I will be), I would definitely go to the allopathic program simply because there will already be enough to learn and master without throwing in an bunch of extraneous stuff that I would have to do at an osteopathic program. Also I don't believe there is a significant difference in the "philosophy" so that doesn't even register on my radar. I have no doubts that osteopathic schools deliver a comparable quality of education, but I do believe that- given the choice- I would flourish at an allopathic school much more readily.
 
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If I were accepted into both MD and DO programs (and I hope I will be), I would definitely go to the allopathic program simply because there will already be enough to learn and master without throwing in an bunch of extraneous stuff that I would have to do at an osteopathic program. Also I don't believe there is a significant difference in the "philosophy" so that doesn't even register on my radar. I have no doubts that osteopathic schools deliver a comparable quality of education, but I do believe that- given the choice- I would flourish at an allopathic school much more readily.

Haha...love the flow chart. There is no difference in philosophy really. Just that maybe more MD students are competitive and anal so it may have created an awkward atmosphere. Dont know for sure. But one thing to consider is which route will keep the most doors open for you. For sure, DOs go into all the fields, however, i think it's readily agreed that allo schools will keep more doors open for you (where to do residencies, more competitive residencies, better rotations, etc.).
But if you'd be miserable at any school other than that DO school then the choice is obvious.
 
Tufts?!?! LOL! And I thought NYCOM was expensive.:eek: Isn't that the school that the tuition is like 70,000 or something nuts like that? Go to NYCOM.:laugh:

I think the tuition at Tufts is something like 45,000 and then the high cost of living and all that, it adds up. But I am determined to make money the last of my concerns, since iwth time, I"ll be able to pay it back. I don't have any loans from undergrad to worry about. I guess I just have expensive taste, lol.
 
Im glad to see that so many people are in the same boat as I am. I am waiting decision on one state school and have an interview at another state school coming up. They're both allopathic and both cheaper than PCOM. Then I have a tough decision, I love PCOM, but 50k over 4 years is huge. Plus I can live cheaper here near home with family at either of the state schools (at least for year 1 anyway). I guess it comes down to if I have choices, great, then I'll have a difficult decision to make. If not then, then I'm going to PCOM and damn proud.
 
I graduated from a DO school and I can honestly tell you that given the opportunity you should strongly consider going the MD route.

First, there is usually a big cost difference. DO schools are incredibly expensive compared to state MD schools. In the face of declining reimbursements for healthcare why put yourself in any more debt than necessary? If you debt load is too high then you may feel pressured to forego primary care specialties and pursue specialties that are more financially rewarding. Don't forget that once all of your training is done you actually have to practice your trade and why condemn yourself to a career you don't love.

Second, the philosophical difference between MDs and DOs is WAY over-emphasized by the AOA. Your ability to treat someone compassionately and holistically is about WHO YOU ARE and not about your medical school. You will not change someone sitting in a classroom for 2 years or in an OMM lab a few hours a week.

Next, the DO degree carries with it many extra hurdles that seem to never end. First there is the question of board exams. Do you pay the extra money and take USMLE in order to leave the option of applying for competitive ACGME residencies, or do you just take the COMLEX.

Then you have to set up your elective rotations for 4th year of med school...does the hospital you like accept DO students? If they do accept DO rotators, are they treated the same as the MDs? At one hospital I rotated at the MD students got free meal cards and were allowed to perform procedures whereas DOs were given "Observer" only status.

Next comes residency match. Do you match MD or DO? Is there good DO GME available in your specialty of choice? Keep in mind that the specialty you choose before you go to medical school may very well be different than the one you choose when Match time comes around. There are some areas in the DO GME that are very lacking for good programs. You must then decide whether or not to complete the DO internship that is required in 5 states. If you truly want to live in those states you may be forced to limit your residency choices (some of the ACGME specialties have categorial residencies where internship/residency are combined so as a DO who needs to complete the DO internship, you would not be eligible for those spots). Also, if you do complete a DO residency, are there quality DO fellowships available? Will the allopathic fellowships accept your DO residency training? Does the allopathic subspecialty board recognize the COMLEX for purposes of board certification exam eligibility.

Next comes employment. Does the group or academic institution you want to join hire DOs? Do the hospitals give DOs a hard time with getting credentials? There may be hospitals that will resist credentialling AOA-certified specialists.

Lastly, there are issues with CME to keep your medical license current. If you practice in a state where there are separate DO and MD medical boards, you may be forced to obtain a certain amount of "DO credit hours-category 1-A" to maintain your "License to Practice Osteopathic Medicine and Surgery" in that state. That means attending DO conferences and paying AOA dues. There is a big difference in quality between the American Society of Anesthesiologist's conference and the American Osteopathic Anesthesiology conference.

I am not hating on DOs or saying that MDs are better. I firmly believe that even if costs are the same, going MD is "easier".

One thing I would not worry about however is what PATIENTS think about MD vs. DO. I get more positive comments about being a DO than I would have ever imagined. I have even met a few patients who didn't even know what an MD is. Can you believe that! I do not feel insecure about being a DO in any way but I know that I have jumped through many extra obstacles than necessary to get to where I am.

Anyway, patients will come to you because there is a demand for your the services you provide. Whether they will keep you as their doctor will depend much more on WHO YOU ARE than the initials after your name.
 
I graduated from a DO school and I can honestly tell you that given the opportunity you should strongly consider going the MD route.

First, there is usually a big cost difference. DO schools are incredibly expensive compared to state MD schools. In the face of declining reimbursements for healthcare why put yourself in any more debt than necessary? If you debt load is too high then you may feel pressured to forego primary care specialties and pursue specialties that are more financially rewarding. Don't forget that once all of your training is done you actually have to practice your trade and why condemn yourself to a career you don't love.

Second, the philosophical difference between MDs and DOs is WAY over-emphasized by the AOA. Your ability to treat someone compassionately and holistically is about WHO YOU ARE and not about your medical school. You will not change someone sitting in a classroom for 2 years or in an OMM lab a few hours a week.

Next, the DO degree carries with it many extra hurdles that seem to never end. First there is the question of board exams. Do you pay the extra money and take USMLE in order to leave the option of applying for competitive ACGME residencies, or do you just take the COMLEX.

Then you have to set up your elective rotations for 4th year of med school...does the hospital you like accept DO students? If they do accept DO rotators, are they treated the same as the MDs? At one hospital I rotated at the MD students got free meal cards and were allowed to perform procedures whereas DOs were given "Observor" only status.

Next comes residency match. Do you match MD or DO? Is there good DO GME available in your specialty of choice? Keep in mind that the specialty you choose before you go to medical school may very well be different than the one you choose when Match time comes around. There are some areas in the DO GME that are very lacking for good programs. You must then decide whether or not to complete the DO internship that is required in 5 states. If you truly want to live in those states you may be forced to limit your residency choices (some of the ACGME specialties have categorial residencies where internship/residency are combined so as a DO you would not be eligibel for those spots). Also, if you do complete a DO residency, are there quality DO fellowships available? Will the allopathic fellowships accept your DO training? Does the allopathic subspecialty board recognize the COMLEX for purposes of board certification exam eligibility.

Next comes employment. Does the group or academic institution you want to join hire DOs? Do the hospitals give DOs a hard time with getting credentials? There may be hospitals that will resist credentialling DO-trained specialists.

Lastly, there are issues with CME to keep your medical license current. If you practice in a state where there are separate DO and MD medical boards, you may be forced to obtain a certain amount of "DO credit hours-category 1-A" to maintain your "License to Practice Osteopathic Medicine and Surgery" in that state. That means attending DO conferences and paying AOA dues. There is a big difference in quality between the American Society of Anesthesiologist's conference and the American Osteopathic Anesthesiology conference.

I am not hating on DOs or saying that MDs are better. I firmly believe that even if costs are the same, going MD is "easier".

One thing I would not worry about however is what PATIENTS think about MD vs. DO. I get more positive comments about being a DO than I would have ever imagined. I have even met a few patients who didn't even know what an MD is. Can you believe that!

Anyway, patients will come to you because there is a demand for your the services you provide. Whether they will keep you as their doctor will depend much more on WHO YOU ARE than the initials after your name.
Excellent post. :thumbup: In fact, one of the best (and most honest) posts on this forum in a long time
 
I've been on this board as a pre-med, med student, and now a resident. I will tell you what I have observed in my short medical career. I had acceptances to both DO and MD schools, and I am DAMN glad I went to the MD school. My best friend is a DO and an excellent physician, however, it has been an incredible pain in the arse for her- she took COMLEX and USMLE, her school was more expensive, and there's some states she can't practice in because she didn't want to do an osteopathic intern year.
Unless you know for sure you want to practice OMM, there is absolutely no reason in my opinion to go to DO school over MD school. In the real world only a few DOs actually use OMM. Other than that, DOs are exactly the same as MDs.
The DO "philosophy" thing doesn't translate into anything tangible in the age of evidence-based medicine. You will be exactly the same as your MD counterparts only you will have had the additional pain of dealing with picky state laws and two sets of licensing boards (potentially). There's also not that many DO residencies to pick from outside of primary care should you become interested in a specialty. Sure a DO can do an allopathic residency but they can be harder to get- some places just aren't DO friendly.
So with the tremendous amount of work and competition ahead of you, why give yourself another set of hoops to jump through by being a DO??? Don't fall for what the DO schools try to sell you on- that you will be special because you are an osteopath, know OMM, and have a holistic approach to medicine. This just doesn't pan out in the real world. No one cares.
I wish everyone good luck and I hope you all get into the school of your choice, be it DO, MD, or Harry Potter' s School of Magic. Remember, there is more to life than medicine!
 
I've been on this board as a pre-med, med student, and now a resident. I will tell you what I have observed in my short medical career. I had acceptances to both DO and MD schools, and I am DAMN glad I went to the MD school. My best friend is a DO and an excellent physician, however, it has been an incredible pain in the arse for her- she took COMLEX and USMLE, her school was more expensive, and there's some states she can't practice in because she didn't want to do an osteopathic intern year.
Unless you know for sure you want to practice OMM, there is absolutely no reason in my opinion to go to DO school over MD school. In the real world only a few DOs actually use OMM. Other than that, DOs are exactly the same as MDs.
The DO "philosophy" thing doesn't translate into anything tangible in the age of evidence-based medicine. You will be exactly the same as your MD counterparts only you will have had the additional pain of dealing with picky state laws and two sets of licensing boards (potentially). There's also not that many DO residencies to pick from outside of primary care should you become interested in a specialty. Sure a DO can do an allopathic residency but they can be harder to get- some places just aren't DO friendly.
So with the tremendous amount of work and competition ahead of you, why give yourself another set of hoops to jump through by being a DO??? Don't fall for what the DO schools try to sell you on- that you will be special because you are an osteopath, know OMM, and have a holistic approach to medicine. This just doesn't pan out in the real world. No one cares.
I wish everyone good luck and I hope you all get into the school of your choice, be it DO, MD, or Harry Potter' s School of Magic. Remember, there is more to life than medicine!
Uh-oh! Three dissenters on this thread.....how long before it gets locked? :laugh:
 
There's also not that many DO residencies to pick from outside of primary care should you become interested in a specialty. Sure a DO can do an allopathic residency but they can be harder to get- some places just aren't DO friendly.

Also, the explosion of growth in the number of osteopathic medical students is by far outpacing the growth of osteopathic GME positions. Already there are not enough osteopathic residencies to accomodate the number of graduating students yet the AOA continues to churn out the new med schools.

Also, the allopathic world is planning on significant expansion in the number of MD graduates who will also be competing for those spots that the AOA cannot provide for its graduates.
 
Truth hurts.
Yeah, and a couple of the mods around here have a hard time with dissent, even if it is truthful. I don't understand it. Dissent is a good thing, so long as it is honest and not done just to cause trouble.
 
interesting posts, always had those viewpoints in the back of my head ... possibly taking another year may be the better option? all i have to do is improve my mcat atleast 4 points ...
 
I graduated from a DO school and I can honestly tell you that given the opportunity you should strongly consider going the MD route.

First, there is usually a big cost difference. DO schools are incredibly expensive compared to state MD schools. In the face of declining reimbursements for healthcare why put yourself in any more debt than necessary? If you debt load is too high then you may feel pressured to forego primary care specialties and pursue specialties that are more financially rewarding. Don't forget that once all of your training is done you actually have to practice your trade and why condemn yourself to a career you don't love.

Second, the philosophical difference between MDs and DOs is WAY over-emphasized by the AOA. Your ability to treat someone compassionately and holistically is about WHO YOU ARE and not about your medical school. You will not change someone sitting in a classroom for 2 years or in an OMM lab a few hours a week.

Next, the DO degree carries with it many extra hurdles that seem to never end. First there is the question of board exams. Do you pay the extra money and take USMLE in order to leave the option of applying for competitive ACGME residencies, or do you just take the COMLEX.

Then you have to set up your elective rotations for 4th year of med school...does the hospital you like accept DO students? If they do accept DO rotators, are they treated the same as the MDs? At one hospital I rotated at the MD students got free meal cards and were allowed to perform procedures whereas DOs were given "Observer" only status.

Next comes residency match. Do you match MD or DO? Is there good DO GME available in your specialty of choice? Keep in mind that the specialty you choose before you go to medical school may very well be different than the one you choose when Match time comes around. There are some areas in the DO GME that are very lacking for good programs. You must then decide whether or not to complete the DO internship that is required in 5 states. If you truly want to live in those states you may be forced to limit your residency choices (some of the ACGME specialties have categorial residencies where internship/residency are combined so as a DO who needs to complete the DO internship, you would not be eligible for those spots). Also, if you do complete a DO residency, are there quality DO fellowships available? Will the allopathic fellowships accept your DO residency training? Does the allopathic subspecialty board recognize the COMLEX for purposes of board certification exam eligibility.

Next comes employment. Does the group or academic institution you want to join hire DOs? Do the hospitals give DOs a hard time with getting credentials? There may be hospitals that will resist credentialling AOA-certified specialists.

Lastly, there are issues with CME to keep your medical license current. If you practice in a state where there are separate DO and MD medical boards, you may be forced to obtain a certain amount of "DO credit hours-category 1-A" to maintain your "License to Practice Osteopathic Medicine and Surgery" in that state. That means attending DO conferences and paying AOA dues. There is a big difference in quality between the American Society of Anesthesiologist's conference and the American Osteopathic Anesthesiology conference.

I am not hating on DOs or saying that MDs are better. I firmly believe that even if costs are the same, going MD is "easier".

One thing I would not worry about however is what PATIENTS think about MD vs. DO. I get more positive comments about being a DO than I would have ever imagined. I have even met a few patients who didn't even know what an MD is. Can you believe that! I do not feel insecure about being a DO in any way but I know that I have jumped through many extra obstacles than necessary to get to where I am.

Anyway, patients will come to you because there is a demand for your the services you provide. Whether they will keep you as their doctor will depend much more on WHO YOU ARE than the initials after your name.

Excellent post.

I choose MD over DO because of cost (got into my instate school and I get to live at home) but also because I had read up on some of the extra hurdles that DO may have to undergo for medical licensing.

The thing is, being a medical minority have some drawbacks, mostly institutional and related to residency/fellowship training, so I figured, unless the DO school gave me some 'extra' perks that outweighed the issues related to DO training, I would pick the MD over DO. I'm not adament about getting the DO, I just wanted to be a doctor, so I picked the degree that would get me to my goal in the least painful way. For some people, that may mean location, costs, philosophy, 'right feel'. For me, it was licensing and training (not taking two board exams, finding DO friendly hospital rotations etc). But I guess I was fortunate to have financially supportive parents, no family/dependents to worry about, and a large amount of mobility so I only had to consider the actual education offered and not these extraneous factors.

Also, rotations at many DO schools are not as nicely structured as MD schools. I did some research and only accepted DO schools which had a structured clinical years. While the above poster mentioned licensing as an issue, I also found that some DO schools don't have a teaching hospital close by for students. They farm out their kids to other places to do rotations. This may mean moving to other cities or states to do 3rd and 3th year rotations. I didn't like the idea of moving two years after med school, and I especially didn't like that some schools made you do rotations at different locations throughout your two clinical years (all that moving!). Most allo schools will have a medical hospital(s) on campus for students to rotate and some osteo schools do as well. But I found out that having a hospital close by for rotations is more of a given in the MD world than a DO world

I also felt that the preceptor based rotations that some DO schools I interviewed at was not for me. I decided that I preferred doing rotations at a traditional teaching hospital where I could follow multiple doctors, and have a hospital hiearchy setup similar to what many residencies are like.

There are some perks to the rotation system of osteo schools, some people get to move back to their families to do rotations, others like to experience multiple hospitals. And some tell me they like the intimate feel of a preceptor based rotation.

However, I suggest students look carefully over the differences between most MD and DO schools and make sure the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. I knew a student at a DO school that had to drive several hours every month during his clinical years back to the main campus to do his exams. That's just too much of a pain for me. There are DO schools that don't make you do that, and had a pretty traditional, structured approach to their rotation years, but you have to do your research.

So, while I know that it's not a popular thing to say on the forum, but I would try to pick an allo school simply for the benefits that goes with being a 'medical majority', even if the location/costs/nonacademic reasons were fairly equal (or even a little bit less than equal). It's just easier than fighting program directors come match time that the quality of your education is comparable to the MDs. Also, allo schools can do the 'holistic' medicine. I'd say that my school is pretty gung ho about it. The only thing missing is the OMM, but it's not a big deal to me. If OMM is a huge thing, DO is definitely a better place to learn it!

I have gone thruogh the process of applying to both allo and osteo and I did some fairly extensive research into the curriculum of the two schools. While I think both can produce good doctors, I just find that, given a MD majority world, it was easier to get the MD than the DO, but I have met students who had other considerations for doing DO and they are perfectly content with their choice.
 
so you went MD i presume ...?

Excellent post.

I choose MD over DO because of cost (got into my instate school and I get to live at home) but also because I had read up on some of the extra hurdles that DO may have to undergo for medical licensing.

The thing is, being a medical minority have some drawbacks, mostly institutional and related to residency/fellowship training, so I figured, unless the DO school gave me some 'extra' perks that outweighed the issues I would have to put up with as a DO in training, I would pick the MD over DO. I'm not adament about getting the DO, I just wanted to be a doctor, so I picked the degree that would get me to my goal in the least painful way. For some people, that may mean location, costs, philosophy, 'right feel'. For me, it was licensing and training (not taking two board exams, finding DO friendly hospital rotations etc). But I guess I was fortunate to have financially supportive parents, no family/dependents to worry about, so I could have moved anywhere and only had to consider the actual education offered other than these other extraneous factors.

Also, rotations at many DO schools are not as nicely structured. I did some research and only accepted schools which had a structured clinical years. The above poster mentioned licensing as an issue, but I found that some Do schools also dont' have a teaching hospital close by for students. They farm out their students to other places to do rotations. I didn't like the idea of moving two years after med school, and I especially didn't like that some schools made you do rotations at different locations throughout your two clinical years (all that moving!). More allo schools will have a medical hospital on campus for students to rotate through than osteo schools. There are some perks to the rotation system of osteo schools, some people get to move back to their families to do rotations, others like to experience multiple hospitals etc. However, I thought it was a hassle, and I suggest students look through this carefully and make sure the benefits outweigh the perks. I knew a student at a DO school that had to drive several hours every month during his clinical years back to the main campus to do his exams. That's just too much of a pain for me. :p

So, while I know that it's not a popular thing to say on the forum, but I would try to pick an allo school simply for the benefits that goes with being a 'medical majority', if the location/costs/nonacademic reasons were fairly equal (or even a little bit less than equal). Also, allo schools can do the 'holistic' medicine. I'd say that my school is pretty gung ho about it. The only thing missing is the OMM, but it's not a big deal to me. If OMM is a huge thing, DO is definitely a better place to learn it!

I have gone thruogh the process of applying to both allo and osteo and I did some fairly extensive research into the curriculum of the two schools. While I think both can produce good doctors, I just find that, given a MD majority world, it was easier to get the MD than the DO, but I have met students who had other considerations for doing DO and they are perfectly content with their choice.
 
Also, the explosion of growth in the number of osteopathic medical students is by far outpacing the growth of osteopathic GME positions. Already there are not enough osteopathic residencies to accomodate the number of graduating students yet the AOA continues to churn out the new med schools.

Also, the allopathic world is planning on significant expansion in the number of MD graduates who will also be competing for those spots that the AOA cannot provide for its graduates.

Sounds like someone just read, "The DO's". If not, I would highly suggest picking it up if you are considering osteopathy.

Hell, everyone in medicine should read it.
 
Yeah, and a couple of the mods around here have a hard time with dissent, even if it is truthful. I don't understand it. Dissent is a good thing, so long as it is honest and not done just to cause trouble.
I would agree w/ that and see nothing inflammatory here.....no reason to close/lock.....but give it time and someone will go ape-$hit as always....causing a nice downward spiral in the thread and necessitate a closing.....just wait...


About the title of the thread.... I was a nutrition major and exercise science/kines minor....and will be pursuring sports/msk/pain medicine through PM&R so, while its an admittantly small difference, the DO stuff is right up my alley
 
Sounds like someone just read, "The DO's". If not, I would highly suggest picking it up if you are considering osteopathy.

Hell, everyone in medicine should read it.
Stimulate said:
I graduated from a DO school

Uh..... :laugh:
 
this is a great thread. mods do not lock.
good info here.
 
Some great discussion here....I have an important question, though, to those who have provided such useful info...

As an applicant deciding between DO/MD, how does one go about researching state licensure, hospital residency programs, hospital policies toward DOs, and all the other relevant issues the exist after the 4 years of medical school?

Is there a website or something? Or do I have to spend hours on the web searching for it?

Right now, all I have to go by is what I read here and what the schools tell me.
 
Hi all - Just to add my 2 cents in (even though some of what I post will be a repeat, I'll just add more).

When I first started to consider DO schools, I had to realize that yes, I would pay for more, and yes, probably jump through multiple hurdles, including taking the USMLE along with the COMLEX. I also had to take into consideration that my grades weren't that great, and my MCAT score, while not bad, wasn't going to get me looked at by a majority of my state schools (it's a 28, just in case you are wondering).
That's why I chose to apply to ostepathic schools.
In all truth, the philosophy doesn't mean squat to me - a great doctor practices all of those things (and yes, I may be naive, but I'm happy with that outlook, so don't go bursting my bubble please), and I don't really forsee myself actively practicing OMM, even though it's always worth a try.
Again, if I got into my allopathic state schools, would I go? Yes. I would - cost of living is a little bit cheaper, I'm closer to my family, and tuition is about 8,000 less.
Do I like NSU? Yes, I do. It's a good school, and I'm a hard worker.
So basically it comes down to this - I didn't want to go out of the country, nor did I want to wait another year. I'll take any good school, whether it's osteopathic or allopathic.

I hope this makes sense, and please please please don't take offense to anything I say. :) Cheers!
 
Some great discussion here....I have an important question, though, to those who have provided such useful info...

As an applicant deciding between DO/MD, how does one go about researching state licensure, hospital residency programs, hospital policies toward DOs, and all the other relevant issues the exist after the 4 years of medical school?

Is there a website or something? Or do I have to spend hours on the web searching for it?

Right now, all I have to go by is what I read here and what the schools tell me.


licensure: no problems except 5 states require an internship (or equivalent which isn't hard to get)

residency programs: its specialty and location dependant...but there aren't really written policies on this....more of a word of mouth thing

actual hospital issues once licensed: very very rare to have a problem...and again it wouldnt' be something that would be published as actual policy
 
I would agree w/ that and see nothing inflammatory here.....no reason to close/lock.....but give it time and someone will go ape-$hit as always....causing a nice downward spiral in the thread and necessitate a closing.....just wait...

The lunatics will be long shortly. :smuggrin: *Sunny on psycho alert*

this is a great thread. mods do not lock.
good info here.
I agree. This is one of the best DO or MD thread I've seen on SDN (at least so far).
 


choose/chose ..2 diff. things

to choose something doesnt automatically justify what is ... alot of us would choose md if given the chance to attend an md school over a do school, doesnt mean that may necessarily become a reality.


:cool:
 
Due to a scholarship, DMU was actually my cheapest option last year, but I wound up going to an allopathic school for a couple of reasons. The traditional rotating internship requirement in those five states was a huge, huge factor for me, especially since Oklahoma was one of those states. My parents live here, and I might need to practice here if their health declines, so I would have to either do the internship or somehow get it waived. Since it seems like getting the requirement waived for my current top specialty choice (psych) was a pita, I figured that I might be stuck doing an extra internship year, which is unacceptable, imo.

Location was another factor for me. Here, I'm an hour from my family, whereas I have no family or friends in Iowa.

I also didn't want to take two board exams, but that was pretty low on my priority list. Clinical rotations were higher. I liked the structure of rotations at my current school more than at DMU (and at OSU, which was also an option but more expensive than DMU). With DMU, I was worried about moving around a lot, even though I know you can overcome that by going to Ohio. With OSU, I didn't like how they are required to spend more time in primary care rotations and in rural care rotations than we are.

Overall, though, my primary motivations were location and that stupid traditional rotating internship requirement.
 
What are the five states? :confused: (I guess, the four states since Oklahoma is apparently one of them).
 
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