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Hi,

Is an ICU and an ER the same thing?

Do physicians/MD's preform life saving activities? (AED etc...)

Lets say i owned a School Of Medicine which had a hospital, would that hospital be used to treat real life threatening patients (Cardiac Arrest etc...) and also have an EMT/Ambulance service?

What are the typical hospital departments?

Thanks,
Latchy
 
Is an ICU and an ER the same thing?

No.

Do physicians/MD's preform life saving activities? (AED etc...)

Yes.

Lets say i owned a School Of Medicine which had a hospital, would that hospital be used to treat real life threatening patients (Cardiac Arrest etc...) and also have an EMT/Ambulance service?

It depends on the hospital. Yes, the hospital would likely treat patients that are suffering from life-threatening conditions. Whether or not it has its own EMT/ambulance service depends on the hospital.

What are the typical hospital departments?

Departments are actual places in the hospital. Most hospitals have emergency departments, intensive care units, step-down units (also called intermediate intensive care units), labor and delivery, and various nurseries.

Most hospitals are run by services, which typically include surgery, OB/gyn, pediatrics, general internal medicine, neurology, and psychiatry.
 
No, the ICU and ER are two very different things. The ICU, or Intensive Care Unit, is where critical patients are and has a few subtypes, such as SICU(surgical intensive care), PICU (pediatric intensive care), and NICU (newborn intensive care). Patients here are the ones most likely to die in the near future (although many do not) and is where most of the ventilators etc will be found.

The ER, or emergency room, is where patients come with emergencies of varying degrees, anything from injuries requiring a few stitches to car crashes and heart attacks. It is typically where patients start their trip through the hospital (if it is unplanned).

Yes, MD's do perform life saving procedures.

As far as I know, a teaching hospital takes all kinds of patients and may also have ambulances.

These were just a few rudimentary answers to your questions. I suggest you go looking around on Wikipedia, search around on SDN, or try Googling things if you want to get a better idea.
 
The ER, or emergency room, is where patients come with emergencies of varying degrees, anything from injuries requiring a few stitches to car crashes and heart attacks. It is typically where patients start their trip through the hospital (if it is unplanned).
I've been volunteering in the ER for a awhile and I have seen A lot of people also treat the like a primary care physician due to the fact that the ER will pick up your tab if you can't pay. So you get a lot of runny noses and minor stuff that a bottle of Motrin would take care of which is unfortunate that this is the only way for them to get proper care.
 
Hi,

Is an ICU and an ER the same thing?

Do physicians/MD's preform life saving activities? (AED etc...)

Lets say i owned a School Of Medicine which had a hospital, would that hospital be used to treat real life threatening patients (Cardiac Arrest etc...) and also have an EMT/Ambulance service?

What are the typical hospital departments?

Thanks,
Latchy

Not to be rude, but this is a joke right? This is like someone asking what a PCP is.

1) ICU= Intensive Care Unite (a.k.a. MICU)
ER= Emergency Room (a.k.a. ED)

2) A physician IS a doctor!!!!

Ok, I can't go on anymore. This has to be a joke. Has too.
 
Not to be rude, but this is a joke right? This is like someone asking what a PCP is.

1) ICU= Intensive Care Unite (a.k.a. MICU)
ER= Emergency Room (a.k.a. ED)

2) A physician IS a doctor!!!!

Ok, I can't go on anymore. This has to be a joke. Has too.

We created this forum so students could ask questions these sort of questions. Some HS students have had very limited exposure to the health professions.
 
Not to be rude, but this is a joke right? This is like someone asking what a PCP is.

1) ICU= Intensive Care Unite (a.k.a. MICU)
ER= Emergency Room (a.k.a. ED)

2) A physician IS a doctor!!!!

Ok, I can't go on anymore. This has to be a joke. Has too.

This post wasn't necessary.

All you did was demean the OP and didn't even provide any answers to his/her questions. And from nowhere in the OP's post do I see him/her not understanding that physicians are doctors.

I'm sure there was a time you didn't know what the ER, ICU, and a PCP were. Why is it so extraordinary that the OP doesn't know?
 
This post wasn't necessary.

All you did was demean the OP and didn't even provide any answers to his/her questions. And from nowhere in the OP's post do I see him/her not understanding that physicians are doctors.

I'm sure there was a time you didn't know what the ER, ICU, and a PCP were. Why is it so extraordinary that the OP doesn't know?

Yeah, the only reason why I know what those terms mean is because my mother is a CCRN. Apparently ertraumashield has a fantastic bout of "common knowledge" and no time for those who do not.
 
Yeah, the only reason why I know what those terms mean is because my mother is a CCRN. Apparently ertraumashield has a fantastic bout of "common knowledge" and no time for those who do not.


Ok, sorry to anyone who was offended. I guess those Q's that were asked isn't common knowledge.
 
Not to be rude, but this is a joke right? This is like someone asking what a PCP is.

1) ICU= Intensive Care Unite (a.k.a. MICU)
ER= Emergency Room (a.k.a. ED)

2) A physician IS a doctor!!!!

Ok, I can't go on anymore. This has to be a joke. Has too.

You do understand, noble and wise pre-med, that this is a forum for high school students (9th to 12th grade, as in some people 14 years old or younger)? This stuff isn't common knowledge for some people 🙄
 
You do understand, noble and wise pre-med, that this is a forum for high school students (9th to 12th grade, as in some people 14 years old or younger)? This stuff isn't common knowledge for some people 🙄

I'm a sophmore in high school. And yes, according to doctors I have a gift for medicine, idk, i think it's from studying med. since I was in 3rd grade. (Not to be rude.)
 
🙄

Where can I find Immunology for Eight Year Olds?

Lol, nah, I just have a nack for medicine. I've already invented 2 things. (One which was already invented.)

Listen, sorry for any hurt feelings.
 
I'm a sophmore in high school. And yes, according to doctors I have a gift for medicine, idk, i think it's from studying med. since I was in 3rd grade. (Not to be rude.)

Forgive me. I have vastly underestimated your talents. Let me wallow in my shame.
 
Not to be rude, but this is a joke right? This is like someone asking what a PCP is.

1) ICU= Intensive Care Unite (a.k.a. MICU)
ER= Emergency Room (a.k.a. ED)

2) A physician IS a doctor!!!!

Ok, I can't go on anymore. This has to be a joke. Has too.

haha i like this post... keep'em coming ha ha 👍👍

This post wasn't necessary.

All you did was demean the OP and didn't even provide any answers to his/her questions. And from nowhere in the OP's post do I see him/her not understanding that physicians are doctors.

I'm sure there was a time you didn't know what the ER, ICU, and a PCP were. Why is it so extraordinary that the OP doesn't know?

The OP deserved demeaning... come on its a high school board... what are the odds that they pick pre-med in college, actually follow through with pre-med, and get into medical school...... :laugh: its kinda low...

And yes it should be common knowledge, the acronyms stand for two completely seperate things..E.R. means EMERGENCY ROOM and ICU means INTENSIVE CARE UNIT (learn how to read and you will go far).

You do understand, noble and wise pre-med, that this is a forum for high school students (9th to 12th grade, as in some people 14 years old or younger)? This stuff isn't common knowledge for some people 🙄

exactly, its high school you should be able to figure these things out by now... it doesn't take a college degree to know these things.

I'm a sophmore in high school. And yes, according to doctors I have a gift for medicine, idk, i think it's from studying med. since I was in 3rd grade. (Not to be rude.)

anyone smell that....it smells an awful lot like bull**** to me. 🙄 (not to be rude...) but there is no such thing as a 'gift' for medicine. you are not born with the knowledge and it takes years of hard work

as for 3rd grade... dressing up as a doctor on halloween and playing with a toy stethoscope doesn't count as studying medicine...

perhaps the OP should go back and watch more episodes of house and grey's to get some better medical knowledge :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:


(just a disclaimer....I don't take any high school student seriously... they are for all intents and purposes children)
 
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The OP deserved demeaning... come on its a high school board... what are the odds that they pick pre-med in college, actually follow through with pre-med, and get into medical school...... :laugh: its kinda low...

And yes it should be common knowledge, the acronyms stand for two completely seperate things..E.R. means EMERGENCY ROOM and ICU means INTENSIVE CARE UNIT (learn how to read and you will go far).

I got the impression the OP knew what the acronyms stood for, but he/she didn't know the definitive distinctions between the two. Is it an outrageous thought for a high school student to think those who have an emergency are also in need of intensive care?

Also, I'm not quite sure what point you were trying to make about the odds thing and how exactly it pertains to this topic.

cajunchrisbu said:
(just a disclaimer....I don't take any high school student seriously... they are for all intents and purposes children)

Then why do you bother posting in this subforum?
 
I got the impression the OP knew what the acronyms stood for, but he/she didn't know the definitive distinctions between the two. Is it an outrageous thought for a high school student to think those who have an emergency are also in need of intensive care?

Also, I'm not quite sure what point you were trying to make about the odds thing and how exactly it pertains to this topic.

Then why do you bother posting in this subforum?


I was trying to say that the odds that this person succeeds in becoming a doctor are low. here let me spell it out for you... its likely he or she will not be a doctor.

I post in this subforum because i want too. and some of the individuals in this subforum are legit and probably have a better shot then others.
 
Hi,

Is an ICU and an ER the same thing?

Do physicians/MD's preform life saving activities? (AED etc...)

Lets say i owned a School Of Medicine which had a hospital, would that hospital be used to treat real life threatening patients (Cardiac Arrest etc...) and also have an EMT/Ambulance service?

What are the typical hospital departments?

Thanks,
Latchy

Ok, I'll be kind.

As you've already learned, the ER and ICU are not the same thing. The ER is where patients who have, or think they have an emergent medical condition can walk in and be seen by a physician specifically trained to manage emergent conditions.
Its also where ambulances bring patients... And some ERs are specialized, and some hospitals have specialized services and so, ambulances will bring the patient to an appropriate hospital. Examples are in cases of Trauma, Stroke, Psychiatric emergency, Pediatrics...
Its also where a private physician can send a patient if the private doc thinks that the patient is experiencing an emergent medical condition.

The ICU is where a patient is admitted when a physician (in the ER, OR, or on the medical/surgical floor) decides that said patient needs some combination of - highly trained 1:1 nursing, constant or invasive monitoring, medication which is complicated to administer, life-support... etc.

Yes, physicians provide life-saving measures. This varies depending on the specialty of the physician. Emergency Physicians do those glamorous things you see on ER. But an OB/Gyn can safe the life of a patient or two by performing a C-section. A dermatologist might argue that they saved the life of a patient by removing skin cancer. Physicians do not use AEDs - the AED computer analyzes the heart rhythm and delivers a pre-set level of electricity. Physicians and Paramedics use manual defibrillators where they analyze the heart rhythm themselves, and then determine the amount of electricity to deliver.

Forget about owning a med school for a minute. If you owned a hospital, the hospital would likely have an emergency department. In some places (NYC for example) not all hospitals have an ER. And in this time of economic downturn, many hospitals which had an ER are shutting them down. ER's can not turn anyone away, regardless of their ability to pay for the service, or for the legitamacy of their medical complaint. And so, ERs burn more money in providing the service than they gain from the patients they serve. OK enough about that. As far as operating an ambulance from the hospital. You could, but again this depends on location. In many places the ambulances are operated by the municipal Fire Department or Emergency Medical Service, and do not operate out of hospitals.

Hospital Departments... as SMQ said, there are hospital departments, and there are hospital services. In general, the larger the hospital, the more departments and services. Departments are usually physical locations - ER, ICU, OR, L&D, med-surg floor, Peds. Services are usually the clincial teams that are available in the hospital... Surgery, Medicine... interventional cardiology, neurosurgery... Of course, these terms are vague and interchangable. Google any large hospital, and on the front page you'll usually find a link to the available services. Heres one. http://www.massgeneral.org/services/default.aspx Third link on the top
Centers and Services... vaguely translates to Departments and Services. Oh, and this isnt your typical hospital.
 
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Thanks howelljolly & Depakote for understanding that i have almost any medical know how. As for the other if your going to insult people then i would not like you to be my doctor as Depakotesaid this is a STUDENT DOCTOR Forum. When people ask questions i thought that they should be answerd with politeness.Latchy
 
I was trying to say that the odds that this person succeeds in becoming a doctor are low. here let me spell it out for you... its likely he or she will not be a doctor.

Yeah, I caught that, I just don't get what its significance is to this discussion.

cajunchrisbu said:
I post in this subforum because i want too. and some of the individuals in this subforum are legit and probably have a better shot then others.

Kinda contradicts what you wrote earlier.

cajunchrisbu said:
I don't take any high school student seriously
 
idk, i think it's from studying med. since I was in 3rd grade. (Not to be rude.)

You must own one of my favorite books of all time, the Harrison's Principle's of Internal Medicine Learner. We, however, used it in the FIRST grade.
 
let me explain even further why the odds of a high school student becoming a doctor is relevant.... I doubt that the op will make it. The op is obviously a high school student... therefore making my post about high school students valid.

I don't understand why you are so caught up on this... are you an unsuccessful applicant that has wanted to be a doctor since high school.

It seems to me you are awfully sensitive about something.
 
let me explain even further why the odds of a high school student becoming a doctor is relevant.... I doubt that the op will make it. The op is obviously a high school student... therefore making my post about high school students valid.

I don't understand why you are so caught up on this... are you an unsuccessful applicant that has wanted to be a doctor since high school.

It seems to me you are awfully sensitive about something.

Yes, statistically speaking, it is likely that the OP will not become a physician.

It is also statistically likely that you are a supercilious twit.
 
Yes, statistically speaking, it is likely that the OP will not become a physician.

It is also statistically likely that you are a supercilious twit.

haha look at you and your big words. do you feel smart?
 
i don't know, its hard to see someone over the computer. and since I'm not actually able to "see" you I'm going to go with the default, safe answer here and say no.
 
Was I unclear earlier? Stay on topic.

im pretty sure the topic was solved. Its all in good fun, chill out dude or just close the thread.

seriously what has your panties in a twist?
 
If it's "good fun" you want, head over to The Lounge or the All Students forum. This isn't the place to settle petty disputes. "Gee, officer, wasn't me. Honest!" isn't going to cut it. Be constructive or move along.
 
I was being constructive. I was trying to help in a case of cerebral impermeability, homozygous recessive idiocy or stupidity (which ever you prefer to call it). since when is this a "no joy" zone? I don't see laughter outlined as a violation of forum rules.
 
I was being constructive. I was trying to help in a case of cerebral impermeability, homozygous recessive idiocy or stupidity (which ever you prefer to call it). since when is this a "no joy" zone? I don't see laughter outlined as a violation of forum rules.

Wow...look at you using your big words! You're so smart Cajun, you really are the man. You're going to be surgeon general you're so amazing! How can ANYONE become a doctor when you're in the mix?? You must have medical school admissions people knocking down your door!

Man...the arrogance of people amazes me. You sir, are an idiot. How can you expect to be a successful doctor when you can't even help a high school student who came here to gain knowledge about a field he's interested in?
 
This forum is intended for high school students who are thinking about health-related careers. It is intended to be a place for them to learn and get answers to questions, ANY questions. It is NOT constructive, nor in line with the goals of this forum, to either criticize any HS student who already has their sights set on professional school, or to simply put one down for asking what is perceived to be a "stupid" question.

Why would someone who was apparently just accepted to med school want to hang out in a high school forum anyway? Believe me, if anyone in this thread is looking foolish, it is not the young person who is trying to get answers to simple questions.
 
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