Success: Intelligence or Hardwork?

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The classes a pre-med must take are rigorous and require a mix of intelligence and hardwork to be succesful. What do you think has contributed the most towards your success academically - hard work or intelligence?

Also, many of us will likely say that our success in school is caused by a mix of both but to obtain 4.0's do you think it's due to intelligence, hard work, or both?
 
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The classes a pre-med must take are rigorous and require a mix of intelligence and hardwork to be succesful. What do you think has contributed the most towards your success academically - hard work or intelligence?

Also, many of us will likely say that our success in school is caused by a mix of both but when people obtain 4.0's do you think it's due to intelligence, hard work, or both?


i got there through just intelligence. i have a 3.6 gpa at emory university and 35 mcat
 
intelligence.. my close friend was premed.. and she studied like crazy and had tutors.. she couldnt do it, and she definetly worked harder than me. With some people, i think, the info just clicks; with her, it didnt.
 
The classes a pre-med must take are rigorous and require a mix of intelligence and hardwork to be succesful. What do you think has contributed the most towards your success academically - hard work or intelligence?

Also, many of us will likely say that our success in school is caused by a mix of both but when people obtain 4.0's do you think it's due to intelligence, hard work, or both?

Intelligence can carry you through undergrad, but will not be enough to keep you afloat in med school. Lots of us had a good time in college and coasted without doing all that much work (it may have seemed like a lot at the time, but when you get to med school and look back, you will question that belief). You have to step it up a notch and work harder when you get there. You don't have to be particularly smart to get through med school (once you get in), but without a good work ethic you may find yourself struggling to pass and risking retakes.
 
obviously I think its both....but i can think of many examples where hardwork is more important

1. i am intelligent, not BRILLIANT by any means....if everyone at my schoool took an IQ test i imagine i'd be in the middle of the pack. If you polled the GPAs, however, I'd be near the top. Its cuz i work my *ss off. I'm not one of the people that doesnt have to study and just does well from absorbin info from lecture. if i didnt study, i would fail. because i work so hard, my GPA is high.

2. there are plenty of people at my school who are more intelligent, with lower GPAs. it is solely due to their lack of hard work. they coast through school with their above average intelligence, don't do any work, skip class, and pull B's in organic and physical chemistry courses. drives me crazy. for them, a B is okay considering they didnt do any work. For me, if i want to get that A, i have to put in extra work, so i do it.

obviously you can look at both ends of the extreme. someone who works very hard but has little to no intelligence probaby wont succeed. someone who is a super genius probably can afford to slack off and still get a 4.0.

In my opinion, hardwork is more admirable than pure intelligence anyway.
 
These boards are inundated with supposedly very intelligent people whose crappy academic records are keeping them from med school.

People who say they get by on intelligence alone are either lying, or work so hard they have a deluded sense of what constitutes hard work, IMHO.
 
In my opinion, hardwork is more admirable than pure intelligence anyway.

This is right on.

Unfortunately, a lot of people fail to realize this.

Admiring intelligence is like admiring beauty. We may envy those persons with these traits, but they are hardly praiseworthy.
 
As far as grades are concerned. I would say Both, with Intelligence taking precedence. But everything else I attribute to hard work, I couldnt have gotten involved with all the things I did and still maintain a good gpa if I didnt put in a lot of hard work.
 
"Research now shows that the lack of natural talent is irrelevant to great success. The secret? Painful and demanding practice and hard work"

"You are not a born CEO or investor or chess grandmaster. You will achieve greatness only through an enormous amount of hard work over many years. And not just any hard work, but work of a particular type that's demanding and painful"

"Buffett, for instance, is famed for his discipline and the hours he spends studying financial statements of potential investment targets. The good news is that your lack of a natural gift is irrelevant - talent has little or nothing to do with greatness. You can make yourself into any number of things, and you can even make yourself great."

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/10/30/8391794/index.htm
 
What exactly is intelligence?

The ability to perfectly reconstruct a face so it looks natural? The ability to understand disease processes and recognize a constellation of symptoms? A photographic memory so that you can reference journal articles off the top of your head?

It takes a certain inborn trait to be a cosmetic plastic surgeon--you kind of have to be an artist, and I will never have that trait. That's just one kind of doctor though.

On the other hand if you are just considering intelligence to be the ability to make logical deductions (if a, then b, then c..), then I think most people are probably smart enough to get through med school. It's a question of who is more interested in the material and of course who is more dedicated.
 
"Research now shows that the lack of natural talent is irrelevant to great success. The secret? Painful and demanding practice and hard work"

"You are not a born CEO or investor or chess grandmaster. You will achieve greatness only through an enormous amount of hard work over many years. And not just any hard work, but work of a particular type that's demanding and painful"

"Buffett, for instance, is famed for his discipline and the hours he spends studying financial statements of potential investment targets. The good news is that your lack of a natural gift is irrelevant - talent has little or nothing to do with greatness. You can make yourself into any number of things, and you can even make yourself great."

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/10/30/8391794/index.htm

those are worthy of placing as signatures
 
“Hard work without talent is a shame, but talent without hard work is a tragedy" Robert Half

I think great success is simply a mix of both (although I don't think great success is really that simple)
 
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"Buffett, for instance, is famed for his discipline and the hours he spends studying financial statements of potential investment targets. The good news is that your lack of a natural gift is irrelevant - talent has little or nothing to do with greatness. You can make yourself into any number of things, and you can even make yourself great."

I don't buy it. It's a nice yarn and lets folks believe they can get their piece of the pie. But for every Buffett, there are many poor schmucks who are toiling just as hard but aren't doing nearly as well. Hard work is of value when there is talent behind it. But where hard work is not wielded by someone truly talented, inteligent, or a visionary, it's just the story of Sysiphus (rolling a boulder up a hill, only to have it roll back down again -- an exercise of futility). You can absolutely work incredibly hard in life and have nothing to show for it. There are far more examples of this than the converse -- most on this board have examples of this in their own families. Work ethic is great when it is directed appropriately, but brute force effort still requires insight and vision behind it.
 
I am still in undergrad, so I can not yet speak about how well I would do in medical school. In my situation, I haven't been working very hard, and I have been able to pull a 3.8. I am lucky that I have been able to keep a good GPA, and I do not feel proud of procrastinating or not putting in the work.

In my situation, it's very hard to find the time to do anything. I go to school full time, work over a 100 hours a month, and I have two children. I barely have the time to study, and I have been lucky that undergrad is not giving me that much trouble with my lack of time and effort.

I hope that as my son (3 year old) grows older, I will be able to put more time into my studies. I have always enjoyed school; it is just very hard to find the time to do the work with my current situation. In conclusion, I will have to say intelligence (or whatever else it might be), and not hardwork have been the reason I am doing ok in school.
 
Intelligence can carry you through undergrad, but will not be enough to keep you afloat in med school. Lots of us had a good time in college and coasted without doing all that much work (it may have seemed like a lot at the time, but when you get to med school and look back, you will question that belief). You have to step it up a notch and work harder when you get there. You don't have to be particularly smart to get through med school (once you get in), but without a good work ethic you may find yourself struggling to pass and risking retakes.

How do oyu have the dedication to post the same responses to the same threads every few months ;[ You are very diligent.

It seems the only way to wad through SDN sometimes is to impair long term memory.
 
It seems the only way to wad through SDN sometimes is to impair long term memory.

I'm not sure I ever posted a response to this question before, but if I did, at least I'm consistent. 🙂 SDN is cyclical -- every couple of months the same questions get asked. Nobody searches and so the same topics are raised anew each time. It's the nature of these boards. Giving the same advice again and again to a new audience is simply part of the lifecycle of the board and the advising role some of us have assumed. Every now and then something new and interesting will come up. Till then the gears keep churning.
 
I think it also depends on what school you are at. If you are at a highly ranked school that is filled with premeds, than the average person is just as intelligent as you are, unless you are a true genius (very rare), than you are going to have to out study (read hardwork) your classmates to get the A's.

Trust me, I graduated from a top 20 school where I had to study my a#% off to get A's. I am now taking physics and random humanities and science classes at a local university (it is still pretty well known) because I am bored. Here I am just floating through these classes and breaking the curves in ALL of them with very very little studying and effort. If I were putting this little effort into these courses at my prior university I gurantee I would be failing these classes miserably.
 
I'm not sure I ever posted a response to this question before, but if I did, at least I'm consistent. 🙂 SDN is cyclical -- every couple of months the same questions get asked. Nobody searches and so the same topics are raised anew each time. It's the nature of these boards. Giving the same advice again and again to a new audience is simply part of the lifecycle of the board and the advising role some of us have assumed. Every now and then something new and interesting will come up. Till then the gears keep churning.

Oh yeah, you are a mod. I forgot :laugh: (sdn memory & sight). Carry on.
 
When it comes to being successful in life, I feel that intelligence does not play as significant a role as I once thought. Look at the most successful people in the country. Most are rags to riches stories who never had the opportunity or means to receive a top quality education. Much more valuable to success is common sense or "street smarts." People, who know how to network, treat clients and bosses well, think outside the box, have an entrepreneurial spirit, etc... These are the people that attain the greatest success. I see this all the time in the real world (I'm sure all of you other 9-5ers can attest as well). Those Ivy League grads do well, but without fail they are surpassed by their "less intelligent" colleagues that have a completely different skill set.

I feel the same would be true in the medical field. Those physicians with the aforementioned qualities will be the ones writing books and inventing new procedures/products. As a result they will be the ones who achieve the greatest monetary success. The medical profession, however, is somewhat unique in the sense that it has a screening process that is intensely focused on classical intelligence, i.e. test taking, essay writing, grade point average. As a result, medicine requires a blending of the two more so than the sales or business world. I'm sure that a lot of people will reject this idea completely and argue for the 40/4.0 group, but the longer I spend out of academia the more I see evidence to the contrary. That's just my opinion. Take it for what it's worth. 😀
 
I tried intelligence only my freshman year and failed miserably. I've been working on a combination of the two and have succeeded wonderfully. I'd say hard work has worked the best for me.
 
As a second year pre-med, I have found it to be hard work.

I'm intelligent as hell (not trying to sound cocky), I graduated top of my HS class with practically no effort.

My brother, dumber than I, graduated HS trying his darndest and barely pulled a 3.5.

Now, He is at one of the top california med schools...I am at a 3.25 gpa praying it'll go up soon haha. But without hard work, it won't happen. Too many smart people out there that can make it, that's why it's the hard work that separates you.

For example, I did not study hard in ochem for more than half of my Q last Q...then i was playing catch up. I taught myself the whole quarter in ~8 days to study for the final and i pulled a 76 (curved to 90%) on the final...that's saying alot when I had a 39 (curved to D -_-) on 1 midterm and i think a 52 (curved to C-) on the other.

Imagine if the same intelligence was put to work since week 1...coulda pulled an A IMO no problem...

This coming quarter i am gonna try so hard to stay up with reading and class and study everyday a little bit (hardest part) 🙁
 
"The preponderance of psychological evidence indicates that experts are made, not born."

"A man walks along the inside of a circle of chess tables, glancing at each for two or three seconds before making his move. On the outer rim, dozens of amateurs sit pondering their replies until he completes the circuit. The year is 1909, the man is Jos� Ra�l Capablanca of Cuba, and the result is a whitewash: 28 wins in as many games. The exhibition was part of a tour in which Capablanca won 168 games in a row.

How did he play so well, so quickly? And how far ahead could he calculate under such constraints? "I see only one move ahead," Capablanca is said to have answered, "but it is always the correct one."

"He thus put in a nutshell what a century of psychological research has subsequently established: much of the chess master's advantage over the novice derives from the first few seconds of thought. This rapid, knowledge-guided perception, sometimes called apperception, can be seen in experts in other fields as well. Just as a master can recall all the moves in a game he has played, so can an accomplished musician often reconstruct the score to a sonata heard just once. And just as the chess master often finds the best move in a flash, an expert physician can sometimes make an accurate diagnosis within moments of laying eyes on a patient"

"Without a demonstrably immense superiority in skill over the novice, there can be no true experts, only laypeople with imposing credentials. Such, alas, are all too common. Rigorous studies in the past two decades have shown that professional stock pickers invest no more successfully than amateurs, that noted connoisseurs distinguish wines hardly better than yokels, and that highly credentialed psychiatric therapists help patients no more than colleagues with less advanced degrees. And even when expertise undoubtedly exists--as in, say, teaching or business management--it is often hard to measure, let alone explain."

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00010347-101C-14C1-8F9E83414B7F4945&sc=I100322
 
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the key is knowing how to study effectively, what to focus on, and how to apply what you do know

A lot of ppl know more about the material than me, but can't apply it as well. A lot of ppl study a ton, but focus on every little detail instead of getting the big picture.
 
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the key is knowing how to study effectively, what to focus on, and how to apply what you do know

A lot of ppl know more about the material than me, but can't apply it as well. A lot of ppl study a ton, but focus on every little detail instead of getting the big picture.
I think that's successful for undergrad, since exams are so easy to predict. Med school will probably challenge you to know EVERYTHING, so that method of studying will probably be thrown right out the window.

But what do I know, I'm just a pre-med too 🙂
 
When it comes to being successful in life, I feel that intelligence does not play as significant a role as I once thought. Look at the most successful people in the country. Most are rags to riches stories who never had the opportunity or means to receive a top quality education.

so you are inferring they don't have intelligence?

The medical profession, however, is somewhat unique in the sense that it has a screening process that is intensely focused on classical intelligence, i.e. test taking, essay writing, grade point average.

doesnt this entire thread tie into the idea that GPA isnt a measure of pure intelligence......hence the HARD WORK aspect of getting a high GPA. in addition, you can be intelligent and be a horrible test taker as well as be a poor essay writer.

similar to how you can be intelligent, brilliant, maybe even genius....and still be a horrible doctor....
 
I think that's successful for undergrad, since exams are so easy to predict. Med school will probably challenge you to know EVERYTHING, so that method of studying will probably be thrown right out the window.

Agree with this. The big picture is nice, but you can't just see the forest for the trees in med school, you have to know the details of every damn little branch of each tree. The key to med school is to be flexible and change any study habit that doesn't pan out. A lot of what you are doing in undergrad simply will not work in med school (either it takes too much time, or it doesn't go into enough detail, or it's too cursory a review). You will adapt. You too will be assimilated.
 
I think that's successful for undergrad, since exams are so easy to predict. Med school will probably challenge you to know EVERYTHING, so that method of studying will probably be thrown right out the window.

But what do I know, I'm just a pre-med too 🙂

True, but I'd think that focusing on high-yield big-picture concepts first (and then getting into details if you have the time) is better than trying to memorize everything from the onset (if you aren't able to get to some unifying ideas). Unless the exam is straight-up "identify this this and that"...
 
Agree with this. The big picture is nice, but you can't just see the forest for the trees in med school, you have to know the details of every damn little branch of each tree. The key to med school is to be flexible and change any study habit that doesn't pan out. A lot of what you are doing in undergrad simply will not work in med school (either it takes too much time, or it doesn't go into enough detail, or it's too cursory a review). You will adapt. You too will be assimilated.

law2doc, how do your study techniques differ from undergrad? What changes did you make to suddenly adjust to the large volume of material and detail in medical school?
 
so you are inferring they don't have intelligence?

doesnt this entire thread tie into the idea that GPA isnt a measure of pure intelligence......hence the HARD WORK aspect of getting a high GPA. in addition, you can be intelligent and be a horrible test taker as well as be a poor essay writer.

A. No. I'm sure these individuals are very intelligent, but intelligence alone did not allow them to be successful. Without drive or creativity, they would probably be the brightest custodians/janitors in the world.


B. Of course hard work can improve your gpa. My point is that many other attributes, aside from intelligence, are responsible for success outside of the classroom.
 
I think that when you get into the upper echelons, people are separated by work ethic a LOT more than intelligence.

In my experiences (as a pre-med and grad student), hard work has gotten me grades but I would attribute my MCAT to intelligence and reasoning skills.

Just so we're clear, we should only discuss academic success - not success in one's career.
 
I think that when you get into the upper echelons, people are separated by work ethic a LOT more than intelligence.

In my experiences (as a pre-med and grad student), hard work has gotten me grades but I would attribute my MCAT to intelligence and reasoning skills.

Just so we're clear, we should only discuss academic success - not success in one's career.
yeah, there are definitely raw measures of intelligence, like reasoning skills. I don't think you can just work hard and get reasoning skills or common sense. But most classes don't grade you on those skills, so hard work will help your GPA, whereas common sense/intelligence will help you do well on standardized exams.
 
law2doc, how do your study techniques differ from undergrad? What changes did you make to suddenly adjust to the large volume of material and detail in medical school?

I'm thinking of "studying like a med student this coming semester", in other words I'm going to over study too see what I'm truly capable off. I'm going to give it my all.

When I used my ideal undergrad approach (and sometimes I was lax about this), I would go through and create a summary of the key points of the lecture notes and textbook -- effectively creating an outline of the course, from which I could go through again once before the test. This is usually sufficient and worked well in undergrad but the outlining takes up too much time for med school -- the notesets are too voluminous and the material comes at you too fast -- and a mere two to three passes through the material simply isn't adequate to absorb a lot of details. (For the "mathy" science courses substitute doing tons and tons of problems).

What many people do in med school (and bear in mind that everyone's approach will be different and none will be best -- whatever works for you personally is best) is the multiple repeat method, whereby you go through the material in some fashion at least 4-5 times before the exam, with the idea that most of it will stick. So you (1) preread for each class the appropriate noteset and lecture slides. (2) Attend (or watch remotely) each lecture, taking copious notes. (3) Go through the lecture material each day after lecture, also looking at outside secondary resources for anything you aren't totally clear on. (4) Go through the week's material each weekend, paying a lot of attention to any notes you may have made, and then (5) go through everything again during the week before the exam. And always use active learning -- ie. jot margin notes, underline and highlight things, don't try to just read passively.

But it's kind of hard to "study like a med student" because until you are faced with the volume of detail you are expected to know, and surrounded by folks who are doing the same thing, logging the same hours, foregoing the same distractions, etc, it really won't be the same. It's very different to have self imposed work and expectations then to have them thrust upon you.
 
Shakespeare said it best:

"Some are born great, some achieve greatness, some have greatness thrust upon them."

born great = intelligent
achieve greatness = hard work
greatness thrust upon them = rich parents
 
A. No. I'm sure these individuals are very intelligent, but intelligence alone did not allow them to be successful. Without drive or creativity, they would probably be the brightest custodians/janitors in the world.


B. Of course hard work can improve your gpa. My point is that many other attributes, aside from intelligence, are responsible for success outside of the classroom.

I think the problem here is that we haven't really defined intelligence. Those stories you told and all those 'rags to riches' stuff are actually 'intelligence'. Being able to network, implement ideas, and adapt to different situations quickly and efficiently is what have driven these ppl to success. Even comparing some ivy leaguer vs. some HS grad who becomes more successful than the ivy grad says nothing. Who says the ivy grad is more 'intelligent'? ryser had it right, in that gpa really doesn't give an accurate depiction of intelligence.

As far as my definition of intelligence, i'ld say it is how well you think/comprehend situations and your adaptability to new ones. The difference from a master chess player and amateur isn't just experience, since there are master chess players at 15 beating 40 yearolds. These 'masters' are able to identifity situations and adapt quickly, (much faster than the amatuers).

I think this can apply to gpa but you also need the drive. You have to be able to identify the best way to get the grade you want in a class. Its the whole idea of studying 'smart, not hard'. I'ld say i'm fairly intelligent, in that i can analyze how a teacher teaches/tests and respond adequately. I very rarely study and have a good gpa because of this. I'ld say hardwork is needed, but can only be applied to get a good gpa through intelligence. You have to realize what you have to do in which subjects to excel in undergrad. I think those precious times when I didn't get a good grade was because i didn't understand or underestimated the teacher's tests/marking
 
A very high percentage of undergraduate students don't realize that street smarts can take you places in life that book smarts can't.

Having very good street smarts is the highest level of intelligence a person can have. Let me give you an example. A person with very good street smarts learns when you should sell or buy. The majority of people go with the popular motive. The street smart person goes against the grain.

I'm helping a friend out for building a Health Care Recruiter business. The guy is brook. He only has a couple of hundred dollars in his bank account. He is working at starting four (yes FOUR) businesses at the same time.

If his recruiter business takes off, he could make close to $16,000 dollars for filling a single job (be it a nurse, tech, or physican position).
 
Intelligence to get me to undergrad, and then hardwork in the application process.
 
What about the MCAT? Intelligence or hardwork? For me it seems like hardwork. Not a good test-taker...
 
A very high percentage of undergraduate students don't realize that street smarts can take you places in life that book smarts can't.

Having very good street smarts is the highest level of intelligence a person can have. Let me give you an example. A person with very good street smarts learns when you should sell or buy. The majority of people go with the popular motive. The street smart person goes against the grain.

I'm helping a friend out for building a Health Care Recruiter business. The guy is brook. He only has a couple of hundred dollars in his bank account. He is working at starting four (yes FOUR) businesses at the same time.

If his recruiter business takes off, he could make close to $16,000 dollars for filling a single job (be it a nurse, tech, or physican position).

Yet he is broke.

If all four fail he will continue to be broke. I don't get your example. Trying is not succeeding. Being broke certainly isn't either (doubly so if business is your thing).
 
What about the MCAT? Intelligence or hardwork? For me it seems like hardwork. Not a good test-taker...

You don't have to know the textbooks for the classes tought in undergrad from page one to the last page to get a great MCAT score. You have to know how to take the exam. The same goes for the GRE and LSAT.
 
Yet he is broke.

If all four fail he will continue to be broke. I don't get your example. Trying is not succeeding. Being broke certainly isn't either (doubly so if business is your thing).

You need work on your reading comphrension. I said he is STARTING. Gee, what does the word starting mean?

Bill Gates was broke when he left college to start what he does now. So many famouns and rich people were broke until they broke through. That is no different than a medical student graduating medical school with little money and then still not having much money when they are done with residency. But I have a feeling you may not understand this.
 
You need work on your reading comphrension. I said he is STARTING. Gee, what does the word starting mean?

Bill Gates was broke when he left college to start what he does now. So many famouns and rich people were broke until they broke through. That is no different than a medical student graduating medical school with little money and then still not having much money when they are done with residency. But I have a feeling you may not understand this.

Bill Gates's parents were very well off financially so he could afford to take all the risks he took (e.g. dropping out of college, etc.). Bill Gates gave a speech at the university I attended and he told the audience that he would not recommend dropping out of college or take the kinds of risks he took. For every Bill Gates, there are thousands of people who took similar risks and got screwed. Do you have any idea how much luck was involved in Bill Gates' success?
 
Bill Gates's parents were very well off financially so he could afford to take all the risks he took (e.g. dropping out of college, etc.). Bill Gates gave a speech at the university I attended and he told the audience that he would not recommend dropping out of college or take the kinds of risks he took. For every Bill Gates, there are thousands of people who took similar risks and got screwed. Do you have any idea how much luck was involved in Bill Gates' success?

You are lucky to have seen Bill Gates in person.

To make it in this world, beyond the path and level of others around you, you have to take risks. If the risk works or not is not the point. It's about taking the risk to do something that counts.
 
Huckabee's intelligence level is debatable and he just won the iowa caucus... and do we need reminder of our current president?

something besides intelligence has lead these people to success, i am convicned
 
You need work on your reading comphrension. I said he is STARTING. Gee, what does the word starting mean?

Bill Gates was broke when he left college to start what he does now. So many famouns and rich people were broke until they broke through. That is no different than a medical student graduating medical school with little money and then still not having much money when they are done with residency. But I have a feeling you may not understand this.

My reading comprehension is fine. Instead maybe you should cite relevant examples to prove your points. I would comment on why your noting Bill Gates and a newly minted MD as further reinforcement to your initial point is irrelevant to your example but I fear I'd be wasting my time.

To answer your question, and to prove my reading comprehension, starting means being at the inception of an undertaking which by no means guarantees an outcome that would prove the "street smarts" of your friend. On the other hand, actually running four successful business and/or not being broke would be proof. As it stands we just have to wait and see don't we?
 
The classes a pre-med must take are rigorous and require a mix of intelligence and hardwork to be succesful. What do you think has contributed the most towards your success academically - hard work or intelligence?

Also, many of us will likely say that our success in school is caused by a mix of both but to obtain 4.0's do you think it's due to intelligence, hard work, or both?
The hard worker will almost always be more successful than the genius. Think of the story about the tortoise and the hare. 🙂
 
hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard
 
My reading comprehension is fine. Instead maybe you should cite relevant examples to prove your points. I would comment on why your noting Bill Gates and a newly minted MD as further reinforcement to your initial point is irrelevant to your example but I fear I'd be wasting my time.

To answer your question, and to prove my reading comprehension, starting means being at the inception of an undertaking which by no means guarantees an outcome that would prove the "street smarts" of your friend. On the other hand, actually running four successful business and/or not being broke would be proof. As it stands we just have to wait and see don't we?

You still don't get it. My friend does not have much money becasue he comes from a poor family. He is sick of working for others and feels his skills are not appreciated. Thus, he has now taken action is starting to develop four businesses. He still works his normal job at this moment. What he is doing right now is outlining the business ideas and then will go forward with the plan. I have a very strong confidence in my friend for making it big.
 
You still don't get it. My friend does not have much money becasue he comes from a poor family. He is sick of working for others and feels his skills are not appreciated. Thus, he has now taken action is starting to develop four businesses. He still works his normal job at this moment. What he is doing right now is outlining the business ideas and then will go forward with the plan. I have a very strong confidence in my friend for making it big.

I'm glad to hear that and I wish him success.

My contention was your citing him as an example is pretty meaningless in this context. Your personal knowledge of his character might be sufficient for you but what you wrote initially hardly provides any compelling evidence of the point you were trying to make.

Beyond that, I was also feeling a little rowdy, so lets just move on now. :laugh:
 
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