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Surgical DO

Started by Sugarrush
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I know that DO's are traditionally Primary care, but right now, I am inclined towards surgery. Reconstructive Plastics to be exact.
I realize that at this point, it's basically impossible for me to know what I'll end up doing, but I'd like to know if that option is still even feasible if I do pursue a DO career path.
Or should I just apply to MD schools and hope someone wants me?
 
The chances of you actually getting a spot in reconstructive plastics is very small regardless of whether you go MD or DO. You'll have to be in the very top of your class, score incredibly well, make the right friends and publish a bunch of stuff. But, yes, there are DOs who end up in spots like that.
 
The number of residencies is few and far between. I just did a google search and the first page got hits from PCOM and UMDNJ. PCOM has 6 spots per year. Regardless of your degree it is extremely hard to get into a plastics residency because of the competition. As a DO you "qualify" for DO residencies but can apply allo as well (granted you have PHENOMENAL scores, letters, CV, etc.).
 
Thanks guys,

All I need to know is whether there is a chance or not.
And there is no matter how small it is.
I appreciate the quick response!
 
Thanks guys,

All I need to know is whether there is a chance or not.
And there is no matter how small it is.
I appreciate the quick response!

It's possible. That one guy on 90210 was a DO doing plastic surg. He obviously made things happen. Just realize that he is indeed an outlier!

Not sure if you're interested but I know KCOM's hospital has 3 residency slots for ENT/Facial Plastic Surg. Not to mention that they've matched students into ENT/FPS the last two years at different locations...... So yes it is doable and there are residencies out there for it.........but not many. Keep in mind thats for FPS not general plastic surg. and there IS a difference.

Someone correct me if I wrong but is it also possible that the students who match into Gen. Surg. may later elect to specialize in Plastics?? If so, the matchlists are going to be slightly misleading.

Goodluck!
 
It's possible. That one guy Dr. Will Kirby on 90210 was is a DO dermatologist doing plastic surg. He obviously made things happen. Just realize that he is indeed an outlier!

Not sure if you're interested but I know KCOM's hospital has 3 residency slots for ENT/Facial Plastic Surg. Not to mention that they've matched students into ENT/FPS the last two years at different locations...... So yes it is doable and there are residencies out there for it.........but not many. Keep in mind thats for FPS not general plastic surg. and there IS a difference.

Someone correct me if I wrong but is it also possible that the students who match into Gen. Surg. may later elect to specialize in Plastics?? If so, the matchlists are going to be slightly misleading.

Goodluck!

Fixed!

Also, yes it is possible to do a plastics fellowship via the GSurg route. Although I've heard rumors about that changing sometime in the (probably) distant future.
 
For plastic/reconstructive surgery, there are 6 DO residencies. Look at opportunities.osteopathic.org. ENT in the DO world is both ENT and facial plastics. There are a lot more of the facial plastics/ENT residencies. For the general plastics (done after 5 years of general surgery with BE):

2 in MI - Botsford and Henry Ford Macomb (Warren campus)
2 in OH - South Pointe Hospital (cleveland clinic) and Dr.'s Hospital (Ohio Health)
1 in PA - PCOM consortium
1 in NY - St. Barnabas Hospital

If you haven't guessed, I am interested in these programs. There are also DO's who have done the fellowship route in the allopathic world. Haven't seen any DO in the integrated/combined programs, but they are rumored to exist.
 
I believe it is in total: 1 resident per year for 6 years. It seems to be consistent with many of the AMA and AOA residency pages I've been finding when looking for myself.

Good luck.
 
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That is for BOTH years, 2 year program. PCOM has 3 slots available per year. It is required to finish GS, NS, ENT, Ortho before doing one of these plastics programs. GS is usually preferred, as those are the sickest patients (coming from a PD of one of the aforementioned plastics programs). Look at the third from the last paragraph at the link posted by BACCHUS, 2 year program.
 
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12 responses and nobody posts links to ACTUAL answers yet? Criminy.

DO residencies and fellowships can be found here. There are 6 plastics/reconstructive residencies, plus 19 oto/facial plastics residencies.

ACGME residencies and fellowships can be found here. 89 plastics residencies, and all kinds of reconstruction in the fellowship section. Don't look to NRMP for match stats for plastics, look at sfmatch.org.
 
I know that DO's are traditionally Primary care, but right now, I am inclined towards surgery. Reconstructive Plastics to be exact.
I realize that at this point, it's basically impossible for me to know what I'll end up doing, but I'd like to know if that option is still even feasible if I do pursue a DO career path.
Or should I just apply to MD schools and hope someone wants me?

Long story short ... everyone wants to do PRS as a pre-med. You catch a few episodes of Nip/Tuck, see Dr. Rey's porsche ... bam I want PRS. The reality though is that to land PRS you must be a ROCKSTAR (MD or DO) and be prepared to not really work until you're mid-late 30s. There was someone on the plastics boards the other day saying that with 5 years of g-surg, a year or so of research to make a better canidate, and three years (all ACGME fellowships are 3 years now, integrated residencies are 6 and I'm sure the AOA PRS fellowships will follow suit soon enough - if funding works), that they were going to be 10 ... TEN years in training.

This doesn't even take into consideration the time it take to build up a good patient base, or building up your own name. Once you get there, be prepared to battle it out for patients, put up with bs 'cosmetic' surgeons invading on your turf, getting hit hard with the economy goes south etc. I personally think plastics is one of the coolest things you can do with that MD/DO behind your name, but a lot of people really want to do it ... meaning a lot of competition, and it takes a longgg time. Moral of the story, go where you want to (in all honesty it's probably easier to land PRS as an MD but unless your da man it's just impossible either way), and keep your mind open ... 99% chance you'll change your mind. Just fyi though, here is a DO PRS guy in Miami. He's one of the big dogs down there and has done all the glamorous TV, magazines etc:

www.aventuracosmeticsurgery.com

(Dr Sam)
 
Long story short ... everyone wants to do PRS as a pre-med. You catch a few episodes of Nip/Tuck, see Dr. Rey's porsche ... bam I want PRS. The reality though is that to land PRS you must be a ROCKSTAR (MD or DO) and be prepared to not really work until you're mid-late 30s. There was someone on the plastics boards the other day saying that with 5 years of g-surg, a year or so of research to make a better canidate, and three years (all ACGME fellowships are 3 years now, integrated residencies are 6 and I'm sure the AOA PRS fellowships will follow suit soon enough - if funding works), that they were going to be 10 ... TEN years in training.

This doesn't even take into consideration the time it take to build up a good patient base, or building up your own name. Once you get there, be prepared to battle it out for patients, put up with bs 'cosmetic' surgeons invading on your turf, getting hit hard with the economy goes south etc. I personally think plastics is one of the coolest things you can do with that MD/DO behind your name, but a lot of people really want to do it ... meaning a lot of competition, and it takes a longgg time. Moral of the story, go where you want to (in all honesty it's probably easier to land PRS as an MD but unless your da man it's just impossible either way), and keep your mind open ... 99% chance you'll change your mind. Just fyi though, here is a DO PRS guy in Miami. He's one of the big dogs down there and has done all the glamorous TV, magazines etc:

www.aventuracosmeticsurgery.com

(Dr Sam)

...Or you want to do Plastics because you had an awesome reconstructive surgeon when you had your reconstructive surgeries. Or you saw microsurgery (TRAM Flaps) in the operating room and you liked it. Or you like the broad spectrum of cases possible with training in plastics, or you like Dr. Rey's Porsche :laugh: .

Good point by the way Jagger!
 
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Long story short ... everyone wants to do PRS as a pre-med. You catch a few episodes of Nip/Tuck, see Dr. Rey's porsche ... bam I want PRS. The reality though is that to land PRS you must be a ROCKSTAR (MD or DO) and be prepared to not really work until you're mid-late 30s. There was someone on the plastics boards the other day saying that with 5 years of g-surg, a year or so of research to make a better canidate, and three years (all ACGME fellowships are 3 years now, integrated residencies are 6 and I'm sure the AOA PRS fellowships will follow suit soon enough - if funding works), that they were going to be 10 ... TEN years in training.

This doesn't even take into consideration the time it take to build up a good patient base, or building up your own name. Once you get there, be prepared to battle it out for patients, put up with bs 'cosmetic' surgeons invading on your turf, getting hit hard with the economy goes south etc. I personally think plastics is one of the coolest things you can do with that MD/DO behind your name, but a lot of people really want to do it ... meaning a lot of competition, and it takes a longgg time. Moral of the story, go where you want to (in all honesty it's probably easier to land PRS as an MD but unless your da man it's just impossible either way), and keep your mind open ... 99% chance you'll change your mind. Just fyi though, here is a DO PRS guy in Miami. He's one of the big dogs down there and has done all the glamorous TV, magazines etc:

www.aventuracosmeticsurgery.com

(Dr Sam)



Thanks man! Very interesting stuff.

One of my good friends was born with a Class Four cleft-pallete, and ended up having massive amounts of surgery done to restore it. I ended up shadowing the surgeon who did his facial work for 3 months and think it's fantastic stuff, very artistic. I've always been big into sculpting, painting and drawing as a hobby, and I saw this as a way to meld the two.

I'm not sure who you're talking about with 90210, I basically stopped watching TV once I graduated highschool, so the only 90210 I know about is that teen drama from the early 90's.
 
by the way sorry to go OT but I heard from this surgeon that allegidly went to med school with Dr Rey and well he wears a topee...




...Or you want to do Plastics because you had an awesome reconstructive surgeon when you had your reconstructive surgeries. Or you saw microsurgery (TRAM Flaps) in the operating room and you liked it. Or you like the broad spectrum of cases possible with training in plastics, or you like Dr. Rey's Porsche :laugh: .

Good point by the way Jagger!
 
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I'm not sure who you're talking about with 90210, I basically stopped watching TV once I graduated highschool, so the only 90210 I know about is that teen drama from the early 90's.

::: palm to forehead :::

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