Tampa program stability...

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500gp

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I have heard that Tampa's ED recently had some shake ups, and that a private group of docs now run it. I have heard from a number of sources, some credible, that their accred. is up for review because of the questions that arise when a private group runs a residency program.

Is this at all true? What have you guys heard?

Thanks.
 
i dont know anything about the tampa program....but i do believe that Cincinnati's ED is staffed by a private group, and i promise you that does not affect their accredidation.....
 
The question isn't about who staffs the ED - the question is who runs the residency program. A lot of EM programs are at hospitals that have a group; Team Health, in Tampa, though, is the first EM program to be run by a group. They pointed this out clearly when I interviewed there.
 
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Originally posted by 500gp
I have heard that Tampa's ED recently had some shake ups, and that a private group of docs now run it. I have heard from a number of sources, some credible, that their accred. is up for review because of the questions that arise when a private group runs a residency program.

Is this at all true? What have you guys heard?

Thanks.

I should be able to answer your question. What the issue is about that everyone hears in the rumor mill is that the program is run by a private organization. Well, sort of true, sort of not. The physicians who work in the ED are employees of Team Health, which is a large contract organization. Some EM residency physicians are employed by the hospital, some by the University, some by their own private entity. Our ED physicians, here at USF/Tampa General Hospital, are employees of Team Health.

Does this affect the residents at all? I would say no. Having been here almost five months, I can say that there is no difference between our training and others (except we are a smaller program). Our attendings are great, love to teach, and are all dedicated to our education. One of our attendings, who has been in Tampa for years, during a busy busy shift, was presented a patietn by a colleague of mine, but it was about 2 minutes away from the attendings sign out. The intern apologized, as he should have hit up another attending, but good old Dr. O said "Listen, I am so so so so so so so so glad you're here, I have waited EIGHT YEARS to have you guys!!!!!!!!" And proceeded to staff the patient.

There is no such "accredidation review" going on. We are up for review in 3 or 4 years (not really sure) just like 25% of the programs out there. I have no reason to fear that we will not get accredidated.

There may be one positive about having Team Health in the picture of our training (this is probably the only difference we have with other programs). Every once in a blue moon we have CEOs and Chief Medical Officers adn what-not from the company come down and talk to us about billing, contract groups, liability, risk management, etc. Also on our ED Administration rotation, we will be allowed to fly to any of the major Team Health offices for a week and spend soem time to learn how billing really works, contract groups, recruitment, etc. Definately a unique experience that most places don't offer.

As for our accredidation, I belive when I interviewed we were given five year provisiional accredidation (much like any other new program out there). I have no reason to fear any problems with accredidation. Our PD, Dr. O'Keefe, has successfully run another EM program (one that a few years ago consistently scored #1 in EM inservice exams), and our second in charge, Dr. Orban, was PD at UCLA and Directors at other EDs.

I would strongly suggest either doing a rotation or atleast attending your interview at USF, we are a GREAT program with a lot to offer:

Pros: Large Urban (beautiful!) hospital, extremely varied pathology (we treat almost all the indigent from Tapma but are also in the yuppie part of town so it is split), almost all other residents are here at USF, new ED in 2 years, excellent attending=resident rapport/teaching, some of the best attendings out there... I think a strong Pro is the Team Health association, I've learned a lot about CMGs already (maybe I don't need to know it now as an intern but its definately an experience most don't get)... No state income tax... free food, great benefits... and its in Tampa!

Cons: Small program, we are only going to be 18 strong when we are full. Our ED now (the physical environment) is about average. 50 beds or so but definately not a flashy new and cool ED, but it will be in two years.

Any ?s lemme know.
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There are many well-respected EM residency programs that are run by a group practice model. Christiana is the first that comes to mind - and they have an excellent program. Also important to note is that they are well-respected within ACEP, so their group model has been able to produce nationally-respected residents at a leadership level. Personally, I think that it would be advantageous in today's medical climate to be exposed to as many "business" issues within emergency medicine, especially as it may become one of the most litigiously targeted fields in the near future. From this standpoint, perhaps Tampa may serve as a model for the future of residency programs to come...
 
One of the obvious concerns many have about a contract management group (Team Health) running a residency is the fact that these groups are profit driven multi-hospital conglomerations (loosly used term). Why sould they care about residents and education??? There are a few other private groups out there that run EM residencies, none are CMGs to my knowledge.

Christiana Care Health Systems Emergency Medicine Residency program is indeed staffed by an extremely well run private "democratic" group of about 35 emergency physicians, who are I can assure you not in the business of loosing money! Having gone through the program as a resident, I can say without hesitation that the didactic and hands on education I received were amazing (having just taken the EM boards) and the icing on the cake is the fact that you learn the business side of EM very well. If interested, (you better believe your future employers are interested) you can get information on what your own efficiency numbers look like (ie. Pt's/hr, RVU/hr, etc). The faculty are split into clinical, academic and administrative... all eager to add to our education. You really learn how a real-life ED should be run... unlike some of the "Ivory Tower" quarternary referal centers out there. We have fellowships in EMS, Ultrasound, Research and an all new Administrative Fellowship which just started this year. All this just to make the point that yes a private group can run a residency and do it well!

So what do I see when I look at the Tampa program? Great potential. Besides which... the RRC and AAEM attentively looking at the program there is little room for mis-step!