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somebody needs some advice in choosing one of these two here. What does everyone think??? temple or nyu??? well, i sure will save lots of money going to temple, but nyu seems more fun to live in.
busz84 said:somebody needs some advice in choosing one of these two here. What does everyone think??? temple or nyu??? well, i sure will save lots of money going to temple, but nyu seems more fun to live in.
busz84 said:somebody needs some advice in choosing one of these two here. What does everyone think??? temple or nyu??? well, i sure will save lots of money going to temple, but nyu seems more fun to live in.
grettlin2 said:Definitely, Temple! NYU will only allow 80% (If I remember correctly) to move to the third year. For the other 20%, the school won't allow them to move up. Only considering this point, I would say Temple is much better than NYU.
Also, Temple is a famous clinic oriented school. I think it is one of the major points for dentistry.
Brocnizer2007 said:Please give proof to back up this statement. The deans even said they are trying for 100% retention in a letter to the student body.
If you fail out of here you deserve it because its not that hard. In our first year we had curves ranging from 3-12 points to our final grade. They curved our courses to an 80 avg to make sure that as many students as possible pass. Maybe this is why our board scores are lower bec they are trying to make us all pass.
Now tell me, if you fail after they curve the class to an 80% avg, don't you think you should fail?
grettlin2 said:Definitely, Temple! NYU will only allow 80% (If I remember correctly) to move to the third year. For the other 20%, the school won't allow them to move up. Only considering this point, I would say Temple is much better than NYU.
Also, Temple is a famous clinic oriented school. I think it is one of the major points for dentistry.
ToothGuy05 said:Hi I am new to this forum and am currently a D4 at NYU. I dont know what Brocnizer2007 is talking about as I read his posts on defending NYU. If he is actually a student here or a part of the administration himself trying to defend the school, so they can do what they do best and that is kick out students and take their money, career and life away. Just as example in the recent Nexus publication it said NYU graduates 300 dentists a year. Well taking that into consideration, if you go look on the website http://www.nyu.edu/dental there you will see for Brocnizer's class of 2007 they accepted 268. And then they take in about 125 advanced placement students. As per the math I do, 268+125 does not equal 300! And you can go on and say that people flunk themselves because here in this school if you fail 3 courses within a year, you get the boot. Now, you may say to yourself: how can people fail 3 classes. Well it is very easy. When averages in classes are high, they purposely make the future exams HARD. You are on your own here, you cannot trust any of you classmates or help eachother out without doubting them because in the scheme of things because their good scores can be the difference whether or not you pass or fail a course. What kind of professional school fails that many students. Yeah you probably hear of a few every year at other dental schools. But NOT here. A professional school should stick by its students through thick and thin. And NOT point the finger at them, when they fall down. That is what they do here. Appeals dont do nothing when u get thrown out, mentor groups are useless and everything they try to tell you at the INTERVIEW is a load of crap. So if any of you come to NYU for an interview and you hear other dental students say DONT come here, believe me they have a story to tell you. Granted I am graduating from here, but believe me these have been the worst years of my life. First year was a challenge and definitely stressed me out. And then second year I almost was a nervous wreck, because at the end of second year they give students the boot as well to finalize the number of students going to D3. I was a nervous wreck and contimplated suicide because I would be over $150,000 in debt and out on the streets. And my family is not that well off. We are middle class and I could not put that burden on them. So please make your decision wisely when choosing a dental school.
Brocnizer2007 said:Please give proof to back up this statement. The deans even said they are trying for 100% retention in a letter to the student body.
If you fail out of here you deserve it because its not that hard. In our first year we had curves ranging from 3-12 points to our final grade. They curved our courses to an 80 avg to make sure that as many students as possible pass. Maybe this is why our board scores are lower bec they are trying to make us all pass.
Now tell me, if you fail after they curve the class to an 80% avg, don't you think you should fail?
ToothGuy05 said:Hi I am new to this forum and am currently a D4 at NYU. I dont know what Brocnizer2007 is talking about as I read his posts on defending NYU. If he is actually a student here or a part of the administration himself trying to defend the school, so they can do what they do best and that is kick out students and take their money, career and life away. Just as example in the recent Nexus publication it said NYU graduates 300 dentists a year. Well taking that into consideration, if you go look on the website http://www.nyu.edu/dental there you will see for Brocnizer's class of 2007 they accepted 268. And then they take in about 125 advanced placement students. As per the math I do, 268+125 does not equal 300! And you can go on and say that people flunk themselves because here in this school if you fail 3 courses within a year, you get the boot. Now, you may say to yourself: how can people fail 3 classes. Well it is very easy. When averages in classes are high, they purposely make the future exams HARD. You are on your own here, you cannot trust any of you classmates or help eachother out without doubting them because in the scheme of things because their good scores can be the difference whether or not you pass or fail a course. What kind of professional school fails that many students. Yeah you probably hear of a few every year at other dental schools. But NOT here. A professional school should stick by its students through thick and thin. And NOT point the finger at them, when they fall down. That is what they do here. Appeals dont do nothing when u get thrown out, mentor groups are useless and everything they try to tell you at the INTERVIEW is a load of crap. So if any of you come to NYU for an interview and you hear other dental students say DONT come here, believe me they have a story to tell you. Granted I am graduating from here, but believe me these have been the worst years of my life. First year was a challenge and definitely stressed me out. And then second year I almost was a nervous wreck, because at the end of second year they give students the boot as well to finalize the number of students going to D3. I was a nervous wreck and contimplated suicide because I would be over $150,000 in debt and out on the streets. And my family is not that well off. We are middle class and I could not put that burden on them. So please make your decision wisely when choosing a dental school.
ToothGuy05 said:When averages in classes are high, they purposely make the future exams HARD. You are on your own here, you cannot trust any of you classmates or help eachother out without doubting them because in the scheme of things because their good scores can be the difference whether or not you pass or fail a course.
What kind of professional school fails that many students.
ToothGuy05 said:They are not trying to keep 100% of the class that comes in. That is bull. How will they make money then. See the whole idea is that it is a MONEY school. Not that other Dental Schools are not, but this one particularly does NOT have their students best interest in mind. First year they weed out about 30-40 students. Then second year they do the same until they have their spots filled up in the clinic for 3rd and 4th year. So like end of second year is like the final cut. And about the curves that go on in classes. I heard from a D1 the other day that they have NOT had a curve in any of their classes. And believe me when I say this, they are not looking to just pass you here, they have their quota of students that they want to fail out, otherwise how would they earn there $$$. Also, isnt it kind of odd that each year 30-40 students are let go. That certainly does not happen in any other dental school. It is year after year. This year will be no different.
ToothGuy05 said:They are not trying to keep 100% of the class that comes in. That is bull. How will they make money then. See the whole idea is that it is a MONEY school. Not that other Dental Schools are not, but this one particularly does NOT have their students best interest in mind. First year they weed out about 30-40 students. Then second year they do the same until they have their spots filled up in the clinic for 3rd and 4th year. So like end of second year is like the final cut.
ToothGuy05 said:And about the curves that go on in classes. I heard from a D1 the other day that they have NOT had a curve in any of their classes. And believe me when I say this, they are not looking to just pass you here, they have their quota of students that they want to fail out, otherwise how would they earn there $$$. Also, isnt it kind of odd that each year 30-40 students are let go. That certainly does not happen in any other dental school. It is year after year. This year will be no different.
ToothGuy05 said:Well HockeyDentist, what would you do. Here I am frusterated with NO ONE here to count on. On top of that my parents are old, they have worked hard all their life to recieve a restful retirement. And as I should mention again we werent all that well off. Here I come in with a $150,000 debt and a ruined career. It was a very low point in my life, I knew that the loan would be gone if I no longer existed. This school brought me down to that level. That is why I am so bitter.
hockeydentist said:I didn't not mean for my comment to be anything judgemental, just that I felt bad for you that you contemplated ending you're life.
Brocnizer2007 said:Dear Class of 2007 and 2008:
In an effort to enhance the learning environment for our students at the
dental college, the Office of Academic Affairs has a new addition to our
team; Ms.Jane Rosenthal, a learning specialist. Jane will be working closely
with me to help our students reach their full potential in the dental
program. Our goal for this academic year is 100% retention of all students.
We love you all so much that we want your here for four full years!
Over the past 5 years I have noticed that students who struggle in the
program often could use a sharpening of their study, time management and
test taking skills. Jane has a long and impressive history working with
students on these skills and she has been successful in making students
successful. This year we will be offering workshops throughout the year on
various topics we believe will be beneficial to your studies. Most likely,
workshops will be offered on a weekly basis and a schedule will be emailed
to your class.
We hope you will attend as many workshops as possible and feel free to email
us with any suggestions that you may have for future workshops or ways to
improve these workshops.
Sincerely,
Dr.Anthony Palatta
Director of Academic Advising
Listen, I know what kind of curves we had our first year, so you can't tell me we didn't. Almost every single class was curved except for ethics, etc and oral biology. They got mad and said too many students were riding the curve and took it away for oral bio, yet the class avg was over an 80. If you took an avg of all of our curves from the first year, I would say it would be 7 points per class.
I personally think you had this rumor in your head from day one and it really got to you.
Yes kids do drop out, but not beyond the national avg. Just look up the data with the ADA toothguy05...why don't you go complain to them if you hate this place so much. If this rumor is true, then this is a serious ethical issue and I'm sure the ADA would pull the accrediation in a heart beat. But toothguy05, thats not the case. Its easy man, go to the ADA website and fill out the form for a complaint against the school. You do know NYU has to report how many students drop out...right???
I know of a few kids that failed out and they mostly failed out for goofing off...not studying, partying to much, drinking too much, etc
To get your DDS at NYU all you have to do is STUDY and not even that much!!! Plain and simple. Look at our exam schedule, we never have two written exams a week. Do you know some schools have block exams that are 4-5 hours long in which they have to study anatomy, cell bio, etc and take it all at once. They have to study for 3-4 classes at one time to take it in one sitting. Hell man, all we have to do is study for ONE feaking class a week.
Dr.BadVibes said:Although at Temple NO ONE holds your hand, if you fail a course, there is more than an adequate system that is setup to make sure that the student passes and doesnt have to be kicked out....to be honest, i havent heard of anyone getting kicked out of Temple.....at best maybe 1 or 2 per year....so that is rougly 2-3%, and thats being generous cause I havent heard of any personally...
Brocnizer2007 said:Dear Class of 2007 and 2008:
Over the past 5 years I have noticed that students who struggle in the
program often could use a sharpening of their study, time management and
test taking skills.
Sincerely,
Dr.Anthony Palatta
Director of Academic Advising
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I personally think you had this rumor in your head from day one and it really got to you.
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I know of a few kids that failed out and they mostly failed out for goofing off...not studying, partying to much, drinking too much, etc
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To get your DDS at NYU all you have to do is STUDY and not even that much!!! Plain and simple.