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somebody needs some advice in choosing one of these two here. What does everyone think??? temple or nyu??? well, i sure will save lots of money going to temple, but nyu seems more fun to live in.

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busz84 said:
somebody needs some advice in choosing one of these two here. What does everyone think??? temple or nyu??? well, i sure will save lots of money going to temple, but nyu seems more fun to live in.



if you want to have fun from Temple just take a train to NYC. If money is not a big deal and fun is important then go to NYU. but i am sure that there is a lot of thingg to do in Pilly too.

IN Temple you can get your partII before you graduate so...
NYU has all that nursing dilema, but of couse fun fun and good clinical too
 
busz84 said:
somebody needs some advice in choosing one of these two here. What does everyone think??? temple or nyu??? well, i sure will save lots of money going to temple, but nyu seems more fun to live in.

Although Philly is not NYC, Philly is still a major city and has TONS to do...anything a big city like Chicago or LA has...and like aceking said, if you still have a hard-on for NYC, just take the train/bus up there....you do realize that NYC is only 90 miles from Philadelphia???

As a matter of fact, since i moved to Philly in September, I have already been to Manhattan twice and am going again for my bday next weekend. The best thing is, I can experience everything Manhattan has to offer, but without the price of living in it! :thumbup:
 
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Definitely, Temple! NYU will only allow 80% (If I remember correctly) to move to the third year. For the other 20%, the school won't allow them to move up. Only considering this point, I would say Temple is much better than NYU.
Also, Temple is a famous clinic oriented school. I think it is one of the major points for dentistry.
 
grettlin2 said:
Definitely, Temple! NYU will only allow 80% (If I remember correctly) to move to the third year. For the other 20%, the school won't allow them to move up. Only considering this point, I would say Temple is much better than NYU.
Also, Temple is a famous clinic oriented school. I think it is one of the major points for dentistry.

Please give proof to back up this statement. The deans even said they are trying for 100% retention in a letter to the student body.

If you fail out of here you deserve it because its not that hard. In our first year we had curves ranging from 3-12 points to our final grade. They curved our courses to an 80 avg to make sure that as many students as possible pass. Maybe this is why our board scores are lower bec they are trying to make us all pass.

Now tell me, if you fail after they curve the class to an 80% avg, don't you think you should fail?
 
Brocnizer2007 said:
Please give proof to back up this statement. The deans even said they are trying for 100% retention in a letter to the student body.

If you fail out of here you deserve it because its not that hard. In our first year we had curves ranging from 3-12 points to our final grade. They curved our courses to an 80 avg to make sure that as many students as possible pass. Maybe this is why our board scores are lower bec they are trying to make us all pass.

Now tell me, if you fail after they curve the class to an 80% avg, don't you think you should fail?


some friends that go to NYU they told me that they dont fail as many students as before. it got a lot better after the new staff took over. Those statements about so many people failing was stuff that happened like 5 years ago. they people that fail now are the ones that cheat or really f-up the exams, which is probably the same with other schools.
The worst part of NYU is the fact that they dont give you enough time to study for the Board part I because you only get like 1week to sudy so a lot of people have a hard time managing that.
 
grettlin2 said:
Definitely, Temple! NYU will only allow 80% (If I remember correctly) to move to the third year. For the other 20%, the school won't allow them to move up. Only considering this point, I would say Temple is much better than NYU.
Also, Temple is a famous clinic oriented school. I think it is one of the major points for dentistry.


Hi I am new to this forum and am currently a D4 at NYU. I dont know what Brocnizer2007 is talking about as I read his posts on defending NYU. If he is actually a student here or a part of the administration himself trying to defend the school, so they can do what they do best and that is kick out students and take their money, career and life away. Just as example in the recent Nexus publication it said NYU graduates 300 dentists a year. Well taking that into consideration, if you go look on the website http://www.nyu.edu/dental there you will see for Brocnizer's class of 2007 they accepted 268. And then they take in about 125 advanced placement students. As per the math I do, 268+125 does not equal 300! And you can go on and say that people flunk themselves because here in this school if you fail 3 courses within a year, you get the boot. Now, you may say to yourself: how can people fail 3 classes. Well it is very easy. When averages in classes are high, they purposely make the future exams HARD. You are on your own here, you cannot trust any of you classmates or help eachother out without doubting them because in the scheme of things because their good scores can be the difference whether or not you pass or fail a course. What kind of professional school fails that many students. Yeah you probably hear of a few every year at other dental schools. But NOT here. A professional school should stick by its students through thick and thin. And NOT point the finger at them, when they fall down. That is what they do here. Appeals dont do nothing when u get thrown out, mentor groups are useless and everything they try to tell you at the INTERVIEW is a load of crap. So if any of you come to NYU for an interview and you hear other dental students say DONT come here, believe me they have a story to tell you. Granted I am graduating from here, but believe me these have been the worst years of my life. First year was a challenge and definitely stressed me out. And then second year I almost was a nervous wreck, because at the end of second year they give students the boot as well to finalize the number of students going to D3. I was a nervous wreck and contimplated suicide because I would be over $150,000 in debt and out on the streets. And my family is not that well off. We are middle class and I could not put that burden on them. So please make your decision wisely when choosing a dental school.
 
ToothGuy05 said:
Hi I am new to this forum and am currently a D4 at NYU. I dont know what Brocnizer2007 is talking about as I read his posts on defending NYU. If he is actually a student here or a part of the administration himself trying to defend the school, so they can do what they do best and that is kick out students and take their money, career and life away. Just as example in the recent Nexus publication it said NYU graduates 300 dentists a year. Well taking that into consideration, if you go look on the website http://www.nyu.edu/dental there you will see for Brocnizer's class of 2007 they accepted 268. And then they take in about 125 advanced placement students. As per the math I do, 268+125 does not equal 300! And you can go on and say that people flunk themselves because here in this school if you fail 3 courses within a year, you get the boot. Now, you may say to yourself: how can people fail 3 classes. Well it is very easy. When averages in classes are high, they purposely make the future exams HARD. You are on your own here, you cannot trust any of you classmates or help eachother out without doubting them because in the scheme of things because their good scores can be the difference whether or not you pass or fail a course. What kind of professional school fails that many students. Yeah you probably hear of a few every year at other dental schools. But NOT here. A professional school should stick by its students through thick and thin. And NOT point the finger at them, when they fall down. That is what they do here. Appeals dont do nothing when u get thrown out, mentor groups are useless and everything they try to tell you at the INTERVIEW is a load of crap. So if any of you come to NYU for an interview and you hear other dental students say DONT come here, believe me they have a story to tell you. Granted I am graduating from here, but believe me these have been the worst years of my life. First year was a challenge and definitely stressed me out. And then second year I almost was a nervous wreck, because at the end of second year they give students the boot as well to finalize the number of students going to D3. I was a nervous wreck and contimplated suicide because I would be over $150,000 in debt and out on the streets. And my family is not that well off. We are middle class and I could not put that burden on them. So please make your decision wisely when choosing a dental school.

wow strong statment......i guess Temple, right?
 
Philly could be just as much fun as NYC... and vice versa... really consider other factors when making your decision.... either way... bring your Artic Gear.... I live on the east coast... and its subzero right now... brrrrrrr!!!! :scared:
 
Brocnizer2007 said:
Please give proof to back up this statement. The deans even said they are trying for 100% retention in a letter to the student body.

If you fail out of here you deserve it because its not that hard. In our first year we had curves ranging from 3-12 points to our final grade. They curved our courses to an 80 avg to make sure that as many students as possible pass. Maybe this is why our board scores are lower bec they are trying to make us all pass.

Now tell me, if you fail after they curve the class to an 80% avg, don't you think you should fail?

How bout weeding out the ppl who aren't dental school material before admitting them instead of kicking them out after milking them of tens or hundred thousands of dollars? I've met quite a few ppl from NYUCD and they tell me that their classmates as well as themselves are quite horrified of the prospects of getting the boot.
 
They are not trying to keep 100% of the class that comes in. That is bull. How will they make money then. See the whole idea is that it is a MONEY school. Not that other Dental Schools are not, but this one particularly does NOT have their students best interest in mind. First year they weed out about 30-40 students. Then second year they do the same until they have their spots filled up in the clinic for 3rd and 4th year. So like end of second year is like the final cut. And about the curves that go on in classes. I heard from a D1 the other day that they have NOT had a curve in any of their classes. And believe me when I say this, they are not looking to just pass you here, they have their quota of students that they want to fail out, otherwise how would they earn there $$$. Also, isnt it kind of odd that each year 30-40 students are let go. That certainly does not happen in any other dental school. It is year after year. This year will be no different.
 
ToothGuy05 said:
Hi I am new to this forum and am currently a D4 at NYU. I dont know what Brocnizer2007 is talking about as I read his posts on defending NYU. If he is actually a student here or a part of the administration himself trying to defend the school, so they can do what they do best and that is kick out students and take their money, career and life away. Just as example in the recent Nexus publication it said NYU graduates 300 dentists a year. Well taking that into consideration, if you go look on the website http://www.nyu.edu/dental there you will see for Brocnizer's class of 2007 they accepted 268. And then they take in about 125 advanced placement students. As per the math I do, 268+125 does not equal 300! And you can go on and say that people flunk themselves because here in this school if you fail 3 courses within a year, you get the boot. Now, you may say to yourself: how can people fail 3 classes. Well it is very easy. When averages in classes are high, they purposely make the future exams HARD. You are on your own here, you cannot trust any of you classmates or help eachother out without doubting them because in the scheme of things because their good scores can be the difference whether or not you pass or fail a course. What kind of professional school fails that many students. Yeah you probably hear of a few every year at other dental schools. But NOT here. A professional school should stick by its students through thick and thin. And NOT point the finger at them, when they fall down. That is what they do here. Appeals dont do nothing when u get thrown out, mentor groups are useless and everything they try to tell you at the INTERVIEW is a load of crap. So if any of you come to NYU for an interview and you hear other dental students say DONT come here, believe me they have a story to tell you. Granted I am graduating from here, but believe me these have been the worst years of my life. First year was a challenge and definitely stressed me out. And then second year I almost was a nervous wreck, because at the end of second year they give students the boot as well to finalize the number of students going to D3. I was a nervous wreck and contimplated suicide because I would be over $150,000 in debt and out on the streets. And my family is not that well off. We are middle class and I could not put that burden on them. So please make your decision wisely when choosing a dental school.

My mouth dropped to the floor when you said that you almost considered suicide.

Congrats on making it this far.
 
Well HockeyDentist, what would you do. Here I am frusterated with NO ONE here to count on. On top of that my parents are old, they have worked hard all their life to recieve a restful retirement. And as I should mention again we werent all that well off. Here I come in with a $150,000 debt and a ruined career. It was a very low point in my life, I knew that the loan would be gone if I no longer existed. This school brought me down to that level. That is why I am so bitter.
 
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i was confused about NYU. but i think i have heard from enough people (from NYU) that the program is scary. thank god i am not one of them people who had to attend NYU.


now to OP: Temple or NYU. hmmmmmmmm, thats gonna be a tough one but i am gonna have to say TEMPLE.
 
ToothGuy05 said:
When averages in classes are high, they purposely make the future exams HARD. You are on your own here, you cannot trust any of you classmates or help eachother out without doubting them because in the scheme of things because their good scores can be the difference whether or not you pass or fail a course.

What kind of professional school fails that many students.


easy....law school.
 
ToothGuy05 said:
They are not trying to keep 100% of the class that comes in. That is bull. How will they make money then. See the whole idea is that it is a MONEY school. Not that other Dental Schools are not, but this one particularly does NOT have their students best interest in mind. First year they weed out about 30-40 students. Then second year they do the same until they have their spots filled up in the clinic for 3rd and 4th year. So like end of second year is like the final cut. And about the curves that go on in classes. I heard from a D1 the other day that they have NOT had a curve in any of their classes. And believe me when I say this, they are not looking to just pass you here, they have their quota of students that they want to fail out, otherwise how would they earn there $$$. Also, isnt it kind of odd that each year 30-40 students are let go. That certainly does not happen in any other dental school. It is year after year. This year will be no different.

but aren't they losing money by kicking people out after 1 or 2 years as opposed to taking their tuition for 4 years?
 
ToothGuy05 said:
They are not trying to keep 100% of the class that comes in. That is bull. How will they make money then. See the whole idea is that it is a MONEY school. Not that other Dental Schools are not, but this one particularly does NOT have their students best interest in mind. First year they weed out about 30-40 students. Then second year they do the same until they have their spots filled up in the clinic for 3rd and 4th year. So like end of second year is like the final cut.


Dear Class of 2007 and 2008:

In an effort to enhance the learning environment for our students at the
dental college, the Office of Academic Affairs has a new addition to our
team; Ms.Jane Rosenthal, a learning specialist. Jane will be working closely
with me to help our students reach their full potential in the dental
program. Our goal for this academic year is 100% retention of all students.
We love you all so much that we want your here for four full years!

Over the past 5 years I have noticed that students who struggle in the
program often could use a sharpening of their study, time management and
test taking skills. Jane has a long and impressive history working with
students on these skills and she has been successful in making students
successful. This year we will be offering workshops throughout the year on
various topics we believe will be beneficial to your studies. Most likely,
workshops will be offered on a weekly basis and a schedule will be emailed
to your class.

We hope you will attend as many workshops as possible and feel free to email
us with any suggestions that you may have for future workshops or ways to
improve these workshops.

Sincerely,

Dr.Anthony Palatta
Director of Academic Advising

ToothGuy05 said:
And about the curves that go on in classes. I heard from a D1 the other day that they have NOT had a curve in any of their classes. And believe me when I say this, they are not looking to just pass you here, they have their quota of students that they want to fail out, otherwise how would they earn there $$$. Also, isnt it kind of odd that each year 30-40 students are let go. That certainly does not happen in any other dental school. It is year after year. This year will be no different.

Listen, I know what kind of curves we had our first year, so you can't tell me we didn't. Almost every single class was curved except for ethics, etc and oral biology. They got mad and said too many students were riding the curve and took it away for oral bio, yet the class avg was over an 80. If you took an avg of all of our curves from the first year, I would say it would be 7 points per class.

I personally think you had this rumor in your head from day one and it really got to you.

Yes kids do drop out, but not beyond the national avg. Just look up the data with the ADA toothguy05...why don't you go complain to them if you hate this place so much. If this rumor is true, then this is a serious ethical issue and I'm sure the ADA would pull the accrediation in a heart beat. But toothguy05, thats not the case. Its easy man, go to the ADA website and fill out the form for a complaint against the school. You do know NYU has to report how many students drop out...right???

I know of a few kids that failed out and they mostly failed out for goofing off...not studying, partying to much, drinking too much, etc


To get your DDS at NYU all you have to do is STUDY and not even that much!!! Plain and simple. Look at our exam schedule, we never have two written exams a week. Do you know some schools have block exams that are 4-5 hours long in which they have to study anatomy, cell bio, etc and take it all at once. They have to study for 3-4 classes at one time to take it in one sitting. Hell man, all we have to do is study for ONE feaking class a week.
 
ToothGuy05 said:
Well HockeyDentist, what would you do. Here I am frusterated with NO ONE here to count on. On top of that my parents are old, they have worked hard all their life to recieve a restful retirement. And as I should mention again we werent all that well off. Here I come in with a $150,000 debt and a ruined career. It was a very low point in my life, I knew that the loan would be gone if I no longer existed. This school brought me down to that level. That is why I am so bitter.

I didn't not mean for my comment to be anything judgemental, just that I felt bad for you that you contemplated ending you're life.
 
hockeydentist said:
I didn't not mean for my comment to be anything judgemental, just that I felt bad for you that you contemplated ending you're life.

Ya, I feel for the guy too. But I think Toothguy has more problems than w/ NYU. He definitely has some other issues making him bitter...
 
During my NYU interview, I asked several professors, including my interviewer and a dean who I spoke with. They both were very candid and said the drop-out rate tends to be about 10%, sometimes a little bit greater. Personally, that was a problem for me, as was the price.
 
Brocnizer2007 said:
Dear Class of 2007 and 2008:

In an effort to enhance the learning environment for our students at the
dental college, the Office of Academic Affairs has a new addition to our
team; Ms.Jane Rosenthal, a learning specialist. Jane will be working closely
with me to help our students reach their full potential in the dental
program. Our goal for this academic year is 100% retention of all students.
We love you all so much that we want your here for four full years!

Over the past 5 years I have noticed that students who struggle in the
program often could use a sharpening of their study, time management and
test taking skills. Jane has a long and impressive history working with
students on these skills and she has been successful in making students
successful. This year we will be offering workshops throughout the year on
various topics we believe will be beneficial to your studies. Most likely,
workshops will be offered on a weekly basis and a schedule will be emailed
to your class.

We hope you will attend as many workshops as possible and feel free to email
us with any suggestions that you may have for future workshops or ways to
improve these workshops.

Sincerely,

Dr.Anthony Palatta
Director of Academic Advising



Listen, I know what kind of curves we had our first year, so you can't tell me we didn't. Almost every single class was curved except for ethics, etc and oral biology. They got mad and said too many students were riding the curve and took it away for oral bio, yet the class avg was over an 80. If you took an avg of all of our curves from the first year, I would say it would be 7 points per class.

I personally think you had this rumor in your head from day one and it really got to you.

Yes kids do drop out, but not beyond the national avg. Just look up the data with the ADA toothguy05...why don't you go complain to them if you hate this place so much. If this rumor is true, then this is a serious ethical issue and I'm sure the ADA would pull the accrediation in a heart beat. But toothguy05, thats not the case. Its easy man, go to the ADA website and fill out the form for a complaint against the school. You do know NYU has to report how many students drop out...right???

I know of a few kids that failed out and they mostly failed out for goofing off...not studying, partying to much, drinking too much, etc


To get your DDS at NYU all you have to do is STUDY and not even that much!!! Plain and simple. Look at our exam schedule, we never have two written exams a week. Do you know some schools have block exams that are 4-5 hours long in which they have to study anatomy, cell bio, etc and take it all at once. They have to study for 3-4 classes at one time to take it in one sitting. Hell man, all we have to do is study for ONE feaking class a week.



Oh yes lovely, just the advice you can take from Dr. Palatta. He is the one who gives students the BOOT from this school. Just the person I want to trust with this email sent out to the incoming class. This email was sent out to cover up what they have in mind to do at the end of the year. Would you ever, read this kind of email from other Dental Schools. Hmmm....probably not, because they generally graduate 90+ %of their incoming classes. There is no fear of failure or a possible ruined career.

Also, my gripe is not with the school and exam schedules here. It is how they treat students if they run into trouble. They dont give a damn about you. I have heard by other Dental Students at other schools that they work with you and if you dont do well on an exam, you have to retake ASAP and pass it. The system is set up here that if you slip, you are done for good. I don't know about you, but me and a few others in my class, our heart sinks everytime we had to check an exam score here, because so much was riding on it. Or then again as you may say, it was just me and the fact that I didnt study and partied in the city. Right!

I also understand that we as NYU students dont want bad name to come to our degree when we graduate, that is why sometimes people like you and Broc have to stick up for the school at a moment's notice. After reading some of your posts, I sometimes even wonder could the admistration themselves be on SDN defending the school. Anyhow, logically speaking, Pre-Dents generally would like to goto a school where they have the best situation and that ofcourse includes actually graduating from that school. I already have my job lined up through family friends after graduation, so I could careless about an NYU DDS. I sure got the degree, which I am grateful for. However, it left a bitter taste in the mouth.
 
its true that there would always be kids that party too much and like to haqve fun. however, i find it very hard to believe that this is the case only at NYU. people do party else where too. there are many many people who go to school in Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Fl etc etc and you rarely hear of people getting the boot there. why is it in many instances the case at NYU?

noone deserves to get kicked out of dental school. if people get kicked out of the dental school then i think the school failed. obviously there would be one or two people who will fail themselves but not 10+ a year. you cannot tell me that 10+ people get booted because they were partying.
 
What we should be comparing here are percentages...not the total # of dropouts at NYU vs. another school. Remember, with such a HUGE class size at NYU, there are bound to be a greater # of students that fail, drop out, etc. The real question is, how does this % of students who fail out each year at NYU compare to the % that drop out at other schools. For example, if 15 students fail out of a class of 250 at NYU, that is only 6% of the class. If 5 students fail out at some other school, lets say with a class size of 100, that is 5% of the class. So common everyone...lets compare % and not numbers! My hunch is that the NYU % is not that far off from most other schools.
 
Ducksoup, I dont know if you have been keeping track of the posts on this site but here is how it goes here at NYU: 1st year ~ 40 students get the boot. So 40 people out of 250 as you mention. That leaves you with roughly 210. 2nd year, advance standing students (foreign graduates) come ~125 of them. So the class size gets huge here ~335 students. At the end of 2nd year, roughly 35 more students are gone, because there is only 300 spots in the clinic. So about 75 students from the same graduating class are given the boot. You tell me, is that the School's fault or the students fault. In reality, if you think about it, do you ever hear of this kind of debate about students getting kicked out from any other Dental School. No, not that I have heard of. Its here believe me. I can tell you for a fact that NYU graduates roughly 300 Dentists a year. Now taking that into consideration, go onto their website and see the incoming class of 2007, they took in 268 to the freshman class. Then about 125 advance students in the second year. So from that class of 2007 you got 268+125 = 393. I certainly do not think that all those 93 students were partying.
 
Tooth, you offer a lot of first-hand insight. Sometimes, particularly with opinions involved, it's difficult to wade between the baloney and the true. I've been tracking this post for quite awhile...gets a little more interesting with every post :) Personally, I didn't choose NYU because, well beyond the ridiculous cost, I had to sift between whether I wanted to go to NYU, or whether I really just wanted to live in New York City. Seeing as the latter was the case, I figure, it'll still be there in 4 years if I still want to live there so badly :) I do have a question for you which, you might not know the answer to, but...anyway, why do you figure the school accepts so many people if it can't support them in the years to come? If you say it's just so they can get more money, does the school struggle to support itself? Just curious if you have any thoughts...

Beach
 
Although at Temple NO ONE holds your hand, if you fail a course, there is more than an adequate system that is setup to make sure that the student passes and doesnt have to be kicked out....to be honest, i havent heard of anyone getting kicked out of Temple.....at best maybe 1 or 2 per year....so that is rougly 2-3%, and thats being generous cause I havent heard of any personally...
 
Dr.BadVibes said:
Although at Temple NO ONE holds your hand, if you fail a course, there is more than an adequate system that is setup to make sure that the student passes and doesnt have to be kicked out....to be honest, i havent heard of anyone getting kicked out of Temple.....at best maybe 1 or 2 per year....so that is rougly 2-3%, and thats being generous cause I havent heard of any personally...


Ofcourse you wont hear of people getting kicked out of Temple, because it does not happen. It has a higher graduation rate and quite a bit cheaper. Obviously a good decision to go there. I hear their clinical experience is quite strong as well.
 
Brocnizer2007 said:
Dear Class of 2007 and 2008:


Over the past 5 years I have noticed that students who struggle in the
program often could use a sharpening of their study, time management and
test taking skills.
Sincerely,

Dr.Anthony Palatta
Director of Academic Advising
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I personally think you had this rumor in your head from day one and it really got to you.
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I know of a few kids that failed out and they mostly failed out for goofing off...not studying, partying to much, drinking too much, etc
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To get your DDS at NYU all you have to do is STUDY and not even that much!!! Plain and simple.

I think this is nicely said. I bet Brocnizer2007 is a good student. I realize all the students that are doing well, likes their school. All the students that are flunking hates their school, despite of the actual reality. People see what they want to see, and the world really is created by the individual mindset.

That rumor in the head from day one taps on one's energy when that person would be studying.

In my opinion, anyone who have doubts about NYU should not go. It really isn't for the meek. For those who goes and graduates probably will experience a spiritual, character building experience - like a 4 year boot camp!!!
 
Things to consider when you are considering NYU as your dental school

- Why is there so much "crap" about their program - whether it'd be their dropout rate or tuition?

- Amy knowles lied to the students who went to NYU for the open house for the admitted without interview. When asked about the percentage of students going into specialties, she said, without a hesistation, 65%. I talked to the real students and they said it was untrue. It was 13-15% just like any other school.

- There is a talk about dental school and nursing school merging. So for Class of 2009, it might be read "School of Dentistry and Nursing" on your diploma.

- On top of the 3rd most expensive tuition in the nation, the most expensive living cost in the world so your first year expense comes out to about $80,000. When you time that by 4, you will be bleeding from your behind.

Something to think about, I guess.
 
Hey all -

I recently withdrew (PASSING!) from NYUCD. I am not here to bash the school nor to praise it (left NYU because dentistry was not for me), but to offer honest stories about my day-to-day experiences there for all of you pre-dents who have questions. Any ?s, PM me.

former NYUCDer '07 ;)
 
Can anyone give me the cost for attending TEMPLE per year. I saw on their website that tuition is $38,376 (for out-of-state), but what other fees apply (tools, books, lab fees)? Thanks.
 
Temple costs around $45000, whereas NYU costs $55,000 + another $20,000 ~ $25,000 for housing. The monthly rents are approximately $1700 ~ 2000 a month.
 
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