Temple vs NYCPM

[aznman375]

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Hello, luckily have the choice between these two fine schools, and I'm having some difficulty making a decision.

They both have 100% residency match rates, though NYCPM has a higher board pass rate.

Both have large volume clinics.

Both in busy cities.

Neither campus really blew me away, but I think temple had a better anatomy lab.

among other things. I've looked at a bunch of previous NYCPM vs Temple threads, and one thing that I haven't seen expanded on was the reputations of the schools when it comes to residencies/getting a job in the future.

I've seen a few users comment that Temple has a better reputation in terms of residencies. Is that the case? Is there some "name brand" recognition from Temple that I might miss out on if I go to NYCPM? any input on this (and other notable differences between the two) would be appreciated, since I'm having a tough time deciding.

 

[ro221]

Hey I'm from Nycpm. And I'll be honest you're comparing two very similar schools. You will get a great education at both and most likely get matched at both.

So I guess you should probably ask where do you see yourself living?

Also I'd compared recent stats of first time passing the board I know we differ in those.

It's really hard to compare the two but interesting story is that when I was at Temple (in a visit) every selling point they had i. e. #of patients in clinic or clinic rotations for example they always came in 2nd when I asked them what was first they would say Nycpm. (2 years ago)

I'm a student and I work with admissions here. Every time we loose a student to temple they put their reasoning as "I just see myself living in Philly". So have you asked yourself this question?

 

[bobtheweazel]

It's really hard to compare the two but interesting story is that when I was at Temple (in a visit) every selling point they had i. e. #of patients in clinic for example they always came in 2nd when I asked them what was first they would say Nycpm.

Temple's website says their clinic gets over 40,000 patient visits per year, NYCPMs website says their clinic gets almost 25,000 patient visits per year.


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[ro221]

Temple's website says their clinic gets over 40,000 patient visits per year, NYCPMs website says their clinic gets almost 25,000 patient visits per year.


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This was two years ago. This may have changed I do not doubt that

 

[bobtheweazel]

This was two years ago. This may have changed I do not doubt that

I also wouldn't doubt that all of those numbers might be fudged a bit to make them look better.

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[bschlak728]

I made the decision between the two in March. If you want to direct message me I can go into my thought process. I did a pretty in Depth analysis looking at published statistics, location, and personal preference.

 

[bobtheweazel]

I've heard that NYCPM is more like a bootcamp with attendance and the frequency of testing. Tests every week I believe. So it seems like more people end up leaving/failing from NYCPM but those that do stay do better on the APMLE and with residency placement than students from TUSPM. For APMLE pass rates however, the second time pass rates for every school are very nearly 100%.

Here's the data, which was averaged from multiple years, but is not current:

APMLE 1 First Time Pass Rate
NYCPM 89.5% vs TUSPM 82.3%

APMLE 2 Written First Time Pass Rate
NYCPM 93.0% vs TUSPM 82.6%

Overall Residency Placement Rate
NYCPM 99.20% vs TUSPM 94.80%

4 Year (And 4.5 Year) Graduation Rate
NYCPM 73.0% vs TUSPM 85.7%

Class Size
NYCPM 109 vs TUSPM 100

On Site Clinic
NYCPM 25,000 visits/yr vs TUSPM 40,000 visits/yr

http://www.nycpm.edu/outcomes.asp
http://podiatry.temple.edu/sites/podiatry/files/Program Outcome Measures.pdf
http://podiatry.temple.edu/about
http://footcenterofnewyork.org/
http://www.aacpm.org/wp-content/uploads/2016-CIB.pdf

 

[bobtheweazel]

On the above post I tried to also link the 2015-2016 Podiatric Medical College Information Book but it looks like AACPM took it down while they're working on their new website. On the other hand, way to step into the 21st century AACPM http://www.aacpm.org/.

Edit: NM, found the book on their new website and linked it above.


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NEW WEBSITE HOME PAGE

 

[josebiwasabi]

For NYCPM, the on-site clinic is not the primary source for clinical experience. On top of the 25,000 annually seen at school (average of about 100 patients per clinic day), students rotate through multiple city hospitals (with transportation provided by the school). When I was at the school clinic I would see about 3-5 patients per day (more students were stationed at the school clinic so there was a smaller patient to student ratio). At the hospitals I would see anywhere from 3-18 patients in a single day, depending on which hospital I was located at. During your 3rd year you will rotate through all of them. Temple's set up may be similar, but I am not sure.

There is no "name brand" prestige between any of the schools. If you come to my program and impress me with your work ethic, clinical skills, academic knowledge, and are able to get along with the current residents/attendings, you have a very strong chance at matching at my program, whether you come from NYCPM, Temple, or any of the other 7 schools.

 

[aznman375]

I'm aware of the paper stats, and I realize that by the numbers, they're very comparable schools. I've looked at the board pass rates and the residency matches. One thing I don't know, however, is whether one school or the other matches with more "better" residencies. Or whether one school the other is better regarded "brand name" wise.

I've lived in both new york and philly in the past, so I'm comfortable going for either. I'm just wondering whether there's some difference between the two that I wouldn't know just by looking at their current numbers.

Also, bschlak, I would love to do that, thank you for the offer. I'll PM you once I get home.

 

[ro221]

I've heard that NYCPM is more like a bootcamp with attendance and the frequency of testing. Tests every week I believe. So it seems like more people end up leaving/failing from NYCPM but those that do stay do better on the APMLE and with residency placement than students from TUSPM. For APMLE pass rates however, the second time pass rates for every school are very nearly 100%.

Here's the data, which was averaged from multiple years, but is not current:

APMLE 1 First Time Pass Rate
NYCPM 89.5% vs TUSPM 82.3%

APMLE 2 Written First Time Pass Rate
NYCPM 93.0% vs TUSPM 82.6%

Overall Residency Placement Rate
NYCPM 99.20% vs TUSPM 94.80%

4 Year (And 4.5 Year) Graduation Rate
NYCPM 73.0% vs TUSPM 85.7%

Class Size
NYCPM 109 vs TUSPM 100

On Site Clinic
NYCPM 25,000 visits/yr vs TUSPM 40,000 visits/yr

http://www.nycpm.edu/outcomes.asp
http://podiatry.temple.edu/sites/podiatry/files/Program Outcome Measures.pdf
http://podiatry.temple.edu/about
http://footcenterofnewyork.org/
http://www.aacpm.org/wp-content/uploads/2016-CIB.pdf

If you notice Bob's #s nycpm doesn't usually pass students that will fail boards. That's why our graduation is lower but boards are higher

Guys you're comparing two very alike schools. The only major difference is you like Philly or your like NYC?

And btw our school is tough. There is attendance policy because it improved our stats. I wouldn't encourage students to come here expecting an easy ride. I want to be put into shape for residency which is why I personally am not bothered by it but could see how others are.

 

[bobtheweazel]

One thing I don't know, however, is whether one school or the other matches with more "better" residencies. Or whether one school the other is better regarded "brand name" wise.

Temple has it's own residency and I assume they show preference to Temple grads, although the program is technically open to grads from all schools. I also assume that for the couple hundred other residency sites it probably doesn't matter which school you came from as much as it does what your grades in pod school were. So whatever advantage you would get from one or the other is probably negligible. Each school has plenty of good relationships with plenty of residency programs.

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[SLCpod]

Let's just flip a coin!!!

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[heybrother]

Where do you want to go to your residency - specifically, I mean are you intent on living in NYC.

 

[TheFootDoc]

If you notice Bob's #s nycpm doesn't usually pass students that will fail boards. That's why our graduation is lower but boards are higher

How does this work? It's interesting. Please explain...

 

[ro221]

How does this work? It's interesting. Please explain...

Well I don't not know how other schools work but here is how NYCPM works. There are no curves AT ALL . If you are at the bottom of a test your grades drops dramatically.

Also our school, like many others offers a second chance, if you fail a class. you can retest But NYCPM has guidelines for retesting such as you cannot retest for more then two class in one semester or three times in one year. If you fail a retest and repeat the year that will be you last chance.

Lastly, I know this is only in NYCPM. We have a test for third years and it is CAPSTONE. You must pass it to take the boards if you do not you cannot take the board and must wait till the following year.

 

[AznSpartan117]

How does this work? It's interesting. Please explain...

pretty sure it means NYCPM has more students that fail out or drop out for personal reasons than Temple before boards but because of that, the remaining students that actually make it to boards at NYCPM have a better pass rate. It's something to be aware of because 99% board pass rate doesn't mean they all graduated.

 

[ro221]

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[TheFootDoc]

Well I don't not know how other schools work but here is how NYCPM works. There are no curves AT ALL . If you are at the bottom of a test your grades drops dramatically.

Also our school, like many others offers a second chance, if you fail a class. you can retest But NYCPM has guidelines for retesting such as you cannot retest for more then two class in one semester or three times in one year. If you fail a retest and repeat the year that will be you last chance.

Lastly, I know this is only in NYCPM. We have a test for third years and it is CAPSTONE. You must pass it to take the boards if you do not you cannot take the board and must wait till the following year.

So a student fails to perform well on exams (capstone included) against a no-curve grading system, blame the school for not letting them move on?

 

[ro221]

So a student fails to perform well on exams (capstone included) against a no-curve grading system, blame the school for not letting them move on?

I guess so? I personally believe its a good thing to have filters. I mean you do only get to take the boards twice.