The demand for pharmacist *the facts and figures*

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There is a lot of talk about the demand for pharmacist, saturation, and need. money hungry schools, and lacks of positions for graduates.

Here are facts and figures, instead of gossip, guesses, and assumptions.

Let me know what you think!

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2008/08/20/pharmacy

http://www.pharmacymanpower.com/

p.s: 30 schools opened in 8 years! that'll double in the next 8!
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Sooo they are just gonna keep opening up schools until ALL the job positions are filled? So once all the jobs are filled and all these new schools are still open...you think the newer pharmacists will have a job upon graduating? I ask because I'd like to be a pharmacist, but a reason I chose it is because of the high demand. I want to be sure I will have a job after going thousands of dollars into debt. PharmD...pshh-MD degree here I come!:laugh:
 
The thing is, many of those 30 new schools haven't even churned out their first classes yet, so there is a pretty long lag (ie. at least 4 years) for the supply of pharmacists to catch up to demand after a pharmacy school opens. And then BANG! Just when everything is in equilibrium, whoops, look at the 15-20 extra pharmacy schools that we opened in the last 4 years when there was a shortage of pharmacists (but weren't taken into account yet because they weren't contributing pharmacists yet), now the shortage is gone, but those schools aren't going anywhere. What is going to happen is that the market is going to overshoot (as it usually does) the number of pharmacy schools and then there isn't going to be any way to readjust it in the other direction, likely resulting in a surplus of pharmacists.
 
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a runner said:
The thing is, many of those 30 new schools haven't even churned out their first classes yet, so there is a pretty long lag (ie. at least 4 years) for the supply of pharmacists to catch up to demand after a pharmacy school opens. And then BANG! Just when everything is in equilibrium, whoops, look at the 15-20 extra pharmacy schools that we opened in the last 4 years when there was a shortage of pharmacists (but weren't taken into account yet because they weren't contributing pharmacists yet), now the shortage is gone, but those schools aren't going anywhere. What is going to happen is that the market is going to overshoot (as it usually does) the number of pharmacy schools and then there isn't going to be any way to readjust it in the other direction, likely resulting in a surplus of pharmacists.
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Could they reduce the class size of the pharmacy school?
 
There is one thing I really have to point out in the first article with the Touro-CA dean.

"For the 2006-7 academic year, the last full year for which the association has figures, there were 95,729 applications..... Considering these figures and noting that the average national class of pharmacy students is around 9,000, Katherine K. Knapp, dean of the pharmacy school at Touro College's California campus, estimates there are currently about 10 applicants for every open seat." There is no way the national applicant:seat ratio is 10:1 for pharmacy school. Saying that there are ten applicants for each seat assumes that each applicant only applies to one school... I would say that the average applicant applies to more like ~4 schools, which would put the ratio around ~2.5:1, which makes more sense since med school is 3:1 and dental school is 3.6:1. Too bad there is no way to know for sure since nobody keeps track of total unique applicants as they do for med/dent.

Either the journalist who wrote this article made a mistake or the dean doesn't know what she is talking about. Either way, I don't find the article too reliable, but the ADI info is interesting. Thank you for sharing.
 
Eviscerate said:
Could they reduce the class size of the pharmacy school?
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Good question. I suppose they could, but the question is would they? There probably aren't any examples of this happening any time in the recent past, because there hasn't been a surplus, so there was no need.

I guess when we reach this point, it will be a good test for the profession to see if we pull together and close schools and/or reduce class sizes (like dental did in the 90s and how the AMA restricted schools from opening for the longest time) or just allow a suplus to persist.
 
I don't think a school would limit their incoming classes just because of a surplus. That is potential money out of their pockets.
 
a runner said:
The thing is, many of those 30 new schools haven't even churned out their first classes yet, so there is a pretty long lag (ie. at least 4 years) for the supply of pharmacists to catch up to demand after a pharmacy school opens. And then BANG! Just when everything is in equilibrium, whoops, look at the 15-20 extra pharmacy schools that we opened in the last 4 years when there was a shortage of pharmacists (but weren't taken into account yet because they weren't contributing pharmacists yet), now the shortage is gone, but those schools aren't going anywhere. What is going to happen is that the market is going to overshoot (as it usually does) the number of pharmacy schools and then there isn't going to be any way to readjust it in the other direction, likely resulting in a surplus of pharmacists.
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this is actually a really good response
 
the people interviewed in the article are all involved with new pharmacy schools, not older established schools. Of course they're going to say everything is fine and dandy.
 
Does anyone know what sort of debates have been held at the AACP conferences or other similar meetings? I can't imagine that existing schools and people that actually care about the profession are taking this expansion very well.

There has to be some way to talk sense into the ACPE. With applications shooting up in the last decade, the quality of pharmacy students should be increasing at a similar rate. Unfortunately, the new schools give the people who have no business being in pharmacy a way in.
 
5minutes said:
Did anyone read when they said this is all about money making.
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from the article: “Pharmacy schools, unlike other schools, make money,” Gielow said. “The demand is high enough and the tuition is high enough. It’s a business decision. This is a supply and demand world. Still, this decision fits the the mission model of the institution: train people and have them go forth and serve the community. Now, on the other hand, if it fits a mission and was a great big loser, it wouldn’t have been considered. Money drives mission. It won’t be a drain on the university.”

When money drives decisions we don't always get the best outcome for all involved that is for sure! I've been told by some of the "older/close to retirement" Rphs I know that there was a surplus of Pharmacists in the 60s or 70s.

A related point is the fact that soon tuition at many pharmacy schools will be too high to justify one becoming a PharmD, at least in my mind. I don't know how people can attend a 4 year private institution and come out with 150K debt for tuition alone not including any debt they may have occured for living expenses.
 
^ Tuition has to get pretty damn high to not justify the salary you get coming out. If anything stops people from getting a pharmd its the job market.
 
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Mentis said:
^ Tuition has to get pretty damn high to not justify the salary you get coming out. If anything stops people from getting a pharmd its the job market.
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http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=609678&page=2 - good link

Everyone has a different situation and as long as they plan responsibly then that is cool. I remember reading somewhere that a good goal was to have your starting salary upon graduating no more than your total debt burden and so that is how I started planning. For me, it came down to either a 3 year private program or a state program where I could get resident tuition. I couldn't imagine paying a private school for 4 years, but again, that is just my opinion.
 
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gsinccom said:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=609678&page=2 - good link

Everyone has a different situation and as long as they plan responsibly then that is cool. I remember reading somewhere that a good goal was to have your starting salary upon graduating no more than your total debt burden and so that is how I started planning. For me, it came down to either a 3 year private program or a state program where I could get resident tuition. I couldn't imagine paying a private school for 4 years, but again, that is just my opinion.
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Wow G - Long time not talk - How have you been??? How is USN treating you?
 
aboveliquidice said:
Wow G - Long time not talk - How have you been??? How is USN treating you?
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Hey Above,

Yeah I left Student Doctor right before begining pharmacy school. I felt like I just spent too much time on it for my own good. I came back just recently as I've started to ask myself if I want to pursue a residency. USN has its pros and cons but all in all I'm glad I choose them. How has your Pacific experience been? On occasion I still think about Pacific-what a nice place it is! Tell Prof. Stout hi! I can't wait to be done with the didactic stuff; Rotations start in less than 6 weeks! Horray!

G
 
Hello. May I know about how's the demand for pharmacist up until now in Malaysia and other countries? As far as i know, pharmacsits are not on high demand now.
Because I'm considering about whether doing MBBS ( medicine) or BPharm for degree now. I am interested in the health science field but now i'm having some doubts regarding which to pick. I've heard doctors are still on high demand but there are too many out there. Please help me to verify this. thanks you
 
cmyzhu said:
Hello. May I know about how's the demand for pharmacist up until now in Malaysia and other countries? As far as i know, pharmacsits are not on high demand now.
Because I'm considering about whether doing MBBS ( medicine) or BPharm for degree now. I am interested in the health science field but now i'm having some doubts regarding which to pick. I've heard doctors are still on high demand but there are too many out there. Please help me to verify this. thanks you
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I don't think you'll find anyone who knows that answer...I'd wager top dollar that you're the only Malaysian posting here.
 
Two possible solutions:

1. Pass the new labor law to limit the number of prescriptions that a pharmacist can dispense to safeguard the safety of patients. As a pharmacist are forced to dispense more prescriptions per day by the retailer, there is a greater chance of the dispensing error. This new law will force the retailer to hire more pharmacists instead of making each pharmacist to dispense more prescriptions.

2. Increase the requirements for the pharmacy licensure and curve the licensure exam so that only 50% can pass the exam. This will limit the number of future pharmacists. The pharmacy schools who do a poor job of accepting the ideal pharmacy students and a poor job of educating them will have a low enrollment and will have to close down the school due to the low enrollment.
 
cmyzhu said:
Hello. May I know about how's the demand for pharmacist up until now in Malaysia and other countries? As far as i know, pharmacsits are not on high demand now.
Because I'm considering about whether doing MBBS ( medicine) or BPharm for degree now. I am interested in the health science field but now i'm having some doubts regarding which to pick. I've heard doctors are still on high demand but there are too many out there. Please help me to verify this. thanks you
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The last time I checked, pharmacists in Malaysia do not have dispensing rights. So the best bet for pharmacists in Malaysia is to either work in a hospital or go teach at a Pharmacy school. When I graduated in 1993, Malaysia only had 1 College of Pharmacy and it was producing 75 pharmacists yearly. Now, I think Malaysia has at least 4 pharmacy schools. My sister graduated 2 years ago and currently serving as a hospital pharmacist. Her husband is a pharmacist too, working with the enforcement department (almost like DEA). Government positions give you pension, 1st class rooms in government hospitals, etc. So, they opted for the lesser pay but better long term fringes.

The Malaysian Pharmaceutical Society does not feel that the fight for dispensing rights is the right move for pharmacy in Malaysia. So, retail pharmacists sell cosmetics, diapers, shampoos, and OTC's more than prescribed items. Patients get their medicines straight from nurses who work in clinics. I'm not sure how it is now.

There are many options for you though if you have a BPharm. Malaysia has quite a number of pharmaceutical companies that produce generics (paracetamol for instance). Companies like Glaxo hire pharmacy graduates as their sales representatives to market their product to doctors working as GP's.

When I was an intern circa 1995, my salary was Malaysian Ringgit 1300.00 (around $400) a month. My sister got a better salary scale as a government pharmacist. Retail pharmacists working with chains like Guardian Pharmacy gets almost MR5K a month as a fresh graduate, I heard.

If I were in Malaysia right now, I'd go for the MBBS. It's only a 5 year post matriculation or STPM. You'd be a doctor when you are 25! Housemanship (residency) takes a year and then you can open your own clinic or further your studies in many specialization areas. Once you specialize, you can be attached to a university serving as a clinician and professor to medical students. You can't do that as a pharmacist.

If you want to know more. PM me. :laugh: Good luck!
 
aabdraff57 said:
The last time I checked, pharmacists in Malaysia do not have dispensing rights. So the best bet for pharmacists in Malaysia is to either work in a hospital or go teach at a Pharmacy school. When I graduated in 1993, Malaysia only had 1 College of Pharmacy and it was producing 75 pharmacists yearly. Now, I think Malaysia has at least 4 pharmacy schools. My sister graduated 2 years ago and currently serving as a hospital pharmacist. Her husband is a pharmacist too, working with the enforcement department (almost like DEA). Government positions give you pension, 1st class rooms in government hospitals, etc. So, they opted for the lesser pay but better long term fringes.

The Malaysian Pharmaceutical Society does not feel that the fight for dispensing rights is the right move for pharmacy in Malaysia. So, retail pharmacists sell cosmetics, diapers, shampoos, and OTC's more than prescribed items. Patients get their medicines straight from nurses who work in clinics. I'm not sure how it is now.

There are many options for you though if you have a BPharm. Malaysia has quite a number of pharmaceutical companies that produce generics (paracetamol for instance). Companies like Glaxo hire pharmacy graduates as their sales representatives to market their product to doctors working as GP's.

When I was an intern circa 1995, my salary was Malaysian Ringgit 1300.00 (around $400) a month. My sister got a better salary scale as a government pharmacist. Retail pharmacists working with chains like Guardian Pharmacy gets almost MR5K a month as a fresh graduate, I heard.

If I were in Malaysia right now, I'd go for the MBBS. It's only a 5 year post matriculation or STPM. You'd be a doctor when you are 25! Housemanship (residency) takes a year and then you can open your own clinic or further your studies in many specialization areas. Once you specialize, you can be attached to a university serving as a clinician and professor to medical students. You can't do that as a pharmacist.

If you want to know more. PM me. :laugh: Good luck!
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But i was told that in a few years time, malaysia will have too many doctors. Now there are already too many to the extent that the housemen has nothing to do in the hospitals. And every year there are 4k doctors graduating in malaysia. In the coming years, there will be more, maybe up to 6k per year. It will then come to there will be one doctor in every 400 people in Malaysia.
 
Don't you know that no matter what profession you are going into, you still end up with the same competition. It is you who can change this. You can become a qualified pharmacist and there is always a need for qualified pharmacist. There may not be a need for unqualified pharmacists because of many factors involve. So I urge you to study well, network during school, build your resume, and so on.
 
PharmDoc1 said:
Two possible solutions:

1. Pass the new labor law to limit the number of prescriptions that a pharmacist can dispense to safeguard the safety of patients. As a pharmacist are forced to dispense more prescriptions per day by the retailer, there is a greater chance of the dispensing error. This new law will force the retailer to hire more pharmacists instead of making each pharmacist to dispense more prescriptions.

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You would have to make this prescriptions per hour or else retailers would just make pharmacist shifts like 4 hours long and they would work every single day. I highly doubt the same corporate board of pharmacies would ever bite at something like this.... look at the Walgreens Project One bulls--- that was not disciplined by the board of pharmacy -- bypassing an actual final physical verification of product? WTF?
 
Praziquantel86 said:
Wow, I'm honestly shocked. Kudos to you - where should I send the money order for $1?
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You're kidding right? :laugh: Well, if you do have a dollar to spare just drop it in any local charity on my behalf.

Unless what you REALLY meant when you wrote "top dollar" was your month's salary, I'd PM you an address. 😛
 
cmyzhu said:
But i was told that in a few years time, malaysia will have too many doctors. Now there are already too many to the extent that the housemen has nothing to do in the hospitals. And every year there are 4k doctors graduating in malaysia. In the coming years, there will be more, maybe up to 6k per year. It will then come to there will be one doctor in every 400 people in Malaysia.
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Housemen do not have anything to do in the hospitals? Wow, that's news to me. I remember my friend who was worked a like a dog during his housemanship year. He already had migraine and then he finally quit after completing his housemanship, took his master's and PhD in Pharmacology and now teaching in a Pharmacy school.

Yeah, now that I think of it, every time I come home for a visit, there's a new medical school being built. Translation: They need teachers. LOL. So, get your MBBS or BPharm. Work a few years, collect some money, do your master's in Pharmacology, and then teach at these schools. Private colleges pay a lot.
 
Praziquantel86 said:
Unfortunately, the new schools give the people who have no business being in pharmacy a way in.
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I didn't deserve to go to my pharmacy school and was thrilled when I got in. It literally changed my entire life. MY ENTIRE LIFE. 180. I changed my work ethic, cleaned my act up, started to live up to my responsibilities and all that jazz. If you compared my stats applying to others I was bottom everything. Now I'm near the top.

"No business being in pharmacy".

I don't even know what to say to you.
 
PharmDoc1 said:
Two possible solutions:

1. Pass the new labor law to limit the number of prescriptions that a pharmacist can dispense to safeguard the safety of patients. As a pharmacist are forced to dispense more prescriptions per day by the retailer, there is a greater chance of the dispensing error. This new law will force the retailer to hire more pharmacists instead of making each pharmacist to dispense more prescriptions.

2. Increase the requirements for the pharmacy licensure and curve the licensure exam so that only 50% can pass the exam. This will limit the number of future pharmacists. The pharmacy schools who do a poor job of accepting the ideal pharmacy students and a poor job of educating them will have a low enrollment and will have to close down the school due to the low enrollment.
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I like this a lot! So can we please limit scripts filled to 200 a day? lol
 
Praziquantel86 said:
Wow, I'm honestly shocked. Kudos to you - where should I send the money order for $1?
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1300MR=$400, so $1= 3.25MR, according to the post above. Just wanted to let you know you're in this for the big bucks now.
 
pfaction said:
I didn't deserve to go to my pharmacy school and was thrilled when I got in. It literally changed my entire life. MY ENTIRE LIFE. 180. I changed my work ethic, cleaned my act up, started to live up to my responsibilities and all that jazz. If you compared my stats applying to others I was bottom everything. Now I'm near the top.

"No business being in pharmacy".

I don't even know what to say to you.
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Where do you find the motivation to do so well? I love pharmacy, LOVE it. I love my job, love my patients, love my pharmacists. And I struggle -STRUGGLE- through school. How can you do so well and be so negative? I guess the two are basically unrelated.
 
owlegrad said:
Where do you find the motivation to do so well? I love pharmacy, LOVE it. I love my job, love my patients, love my pharmacists. And I struggle -STRUGGLE- through school. How can you do so well and be so negative? I guess the two are basically unrelated.
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I'm definitely sick of school. I cherish any time I actually get to *work* as opposed to sitting in yet another lecture. I've had a gut full of school in this lifetime. LOL.
 
owlegrad said:
Where do you find the motivation to do so well? I love pharmacy, LOVE it. I love my job, love my patients, love my pharmacists. And I struggle -STRUGGLE- through school. How can you do so well and be so negative? I guess the two are basically unrelated.
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Your primary end goal:
My primary end goal:

Doing good in school means jack **** if you can't apply it. I am working and studying to do the exact opposite. If you loved your profession you would be able to do what I do. Keep in mind we go to different schools.

My hatred comes from the fact that:

Most pharmacists can be replaced by Lexi-Comp or clinicalpharmacology. Why would you debate this? Literally, you are DELUSIONAL if you do not accept that most of the retail and hospital pharmacists can be replaced by these such sources. Hell retail stores are moving away from pharmacists being in the ****ing pharmacy. We are 100k liability signatures. That's it. Clinical pharmacists have my respect because at least they spend a year going past general pharmacy and learn about actual medicine practice, doubly those for PGY-2 who focus in a field. Our field is a joke and a half and I don't understand why people continually defend it. We're the most trusted, why? Because we're the most accessible. The 24 hour MD offices are congested, why? We can't recommend anything past OTC and usually if it's something we're not familiar with it's "Go to the MD". But we're still the first line defense.

Most of my classmates like to work 20+ hours since first year, learn nothing when it comes to medication, count to integers of 30 and call it a day. Whoa, propranolol can be used for migraines? And anxiety? Benzos can be used for alcohol withdrawl and seizures? Cymbalta can be used for neuropathy AND depression? Well, you'd know that if you bothered to even ****ing wikipedia the drug, less look at the ****ing summary in the page you're holding. These are the same people that breezed by in the pre-reqs because it was just like high school, and when they had to actually apply what they've been doing for two years fell flat on their face. A complete reversal of me - I struggled in pre-reqs and I have no grades lower than a B+ so far in the professional sections. It's the section where grades that actually have attachment to reality. When I worked in the summer 40 hour weeks, during filling I just skimmed the patient leaflet and wrote two sentences down. For most of the common drugs it was easy. These ****ing people have no drive, no desire, no motivation, and will get raped on rotations. They're out enjoying their summer, as if the entire year of therapeutics won't be used or tested on ever again.

Think whatever you want of me but if you hold anything I've said here to be false, you're kidding yourself. This is why I "do well in school".

/2 AM rant before I start studying Cardiac and Renal Systems 2
 
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pfaction said:
Your primary end goal:
My primary end goal:

Here is my next week:
Doing good in school means jack **** if you can't apply it. I am working and studying to do the exact opposite. If you loved your profession you would be able to do what I do. Keep in mind we go to different schools.

My hatred comes from the fact that:

Most pharmacists can be replaced by Lexi-Comp or clinicalpharmacology. Why would you debate this? Literally, you are DELUSIONAL if you do not accept that most of the retail and hospital pharmacists can be replaced by these such sources. Hell retail stores are moving away from pharmacists being in the ****ing pharmacy. We are 100k liability signatures. That's it. Clinical pharmacists have my respect because at least they spend a year going past general pharmacy and learn about actual medicine practice, doubly those for PGY-2 who focus in a field. Our field is a joke and a half and I don't understand why people continually defend it. We're the most trusted, why? Because we're the most accessible. The 24 hour MD offices are congested, why? We can't recommend anything past OTC and usually if it's something we're not familiar with it's "Go to the MD". But we're still the first line defense.

Most of my classmates like to work 20+ hours since first year, learn nothing when it comes to medication, count to integers of 30 and call it a day. Whoa, propranolol can be used for migraines? And anxiety? Benzos can be used for alcohol withdrawl and seizures? Cymbalta can be used for neuropathy AND depression? Well, you'd know that if you bothered to even ****ing wikipedia the drug, less look at the ****ing summary in the page you're holding. These are the same people that breezed by in the pre-reqs because it was just like high school, and when they had to actually apply what they've been doing for two years fell flat on their face. A complete reversal of me - I struggled in pre-reqs and I have no grades lower than a B+ so far in the professional sections. It's the section where grades that actually have attachment to reality. When I worked in the summer 40 hour weeks, during filling I just skimmed the patient leaflet and wrote two sentences down. For most of the common drugs it was easy. These ****ing people have no drive, no desire, no motivation, and will get raped on rotations. They're out enjoying their summer, as if the entire year of therapeutics won't be used or tested on ever again.

Think whatever you want of me but if you hold anything I've said here to be false, you're kidding yourself. This is why I "do well in school".

/2 AM rant before I start studying Cardiac and Renal Systems 2
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I think you take pharmacy school in a wrong way. Pharmacy school will not make you succeed, it can only give necessary tools that you need for your future success. But your motivation to succeed is the most important factor. And I do not think Lexicomp can replace a qualified pharmacist. Lexicomp after all can only give you a certain information about the drug but it does not tell you how to use it together with other medications. Professional judgment is still a need. Human body is not just simply a computer in which you can predict what will happen. It is a complex system that no computer can predict what will happen to it.

Doing well in school does not guarantee you anymore future success either. I am not trying to diminish the importance of doing well and achieving knowledge. But again it is only the tool that you need for your future success.

So, you can think pharmacy as a joke, or pharmacy as a joke. After all, you are the only one can change your future, not pharmacy school.
 
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pfaction said:
Your primary end goal:
My primary end goal:

Doing good in school means jack **** if you can't apply it. I am working and studying to do the exact opposite. If you loved your profession you would be able to do what I do. Keep in mind we go to different schools.

My hatred comes from the fact that:

Most pharmacists can be replaced by Lexi-Comp or clinicalpharmacology. Why would you debate this? Literally, you are DELUSIONAL if you do not accept that most of the retail and hospital pharmacists can be replaced by these such sources. Hell retail stores are moving away from pharmacists being in the ****ing pharmacy. We are 100k liability signatures. That's it. Clinical pharmacists have my respect because at least they spend a year going past general pharmacy and learn about actual medicine practice, doubly those for PGY-2 who focus in a field. Our field is a joke and a half and I don't understand why people continually defend it. We're the most trusted, why? Because we're the most accessible. The 24 hour MD offices are congested, why? We can't recommend anything past OTC and usually if it's something we're not familiar with it's "Go to the MD". But we're still the first line defense.

Most of my classmates like to work 20+ hours since first year, learn nothing when it comes to medication, count to integers of 30 and call it a day. Whoa, propranolol can be used for migraines? And anxiety? Benzos can be used for alcohol withdrawl and seizures? Cymbalta can be used for neuropathy AND depression? Well, you'd know that if you bothered to even ****ing wikipedia the drug, less look at the ****ing summary in the page you're holding. These are the same people that breezed by in the pre-reqs because it was just like high school, and when they had to actually apply what they've been doing for two years fell flat on their face. A complete reversal of me - I struggled in pre-reqs and I have no grades lower than a B+ so far in the professional sections. It's the section where grades that actually have attachment to reality. When I worked in the summer 40 hour weeks, during filling I just skimmed the patient leaflet and wrote two sentences down. For most of the common drugs it was easy. These ****ing people have no drive, no desire, no motivation, and will get raped on rotations. They're out enjoying their summer, as if the entire year of therapeutics won't be used or tested on ever again.

Think whatever you want of me but if you hold anything I've said here to be false, you're kidding yourself. This is why I "do well in school".

/2 AM rant before I start studying Cardiac and Renal Systems 2
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You somewhat answered my question. I just don't see how you can have so much vitriol for your chosen field and still be successful. But I think you clarified that pretty well. You will make a great clinical pharmacist - you already think you are better than everyone else. Good luck with that attitude my friend.

You are the delusional one if you think a living person can be replaced by CP or Lexi. I have no intention of arguing the point - some people see the glass as half full, others see it as being an unnecessary 100k liability.
 
Hmm, I'm thinking of making a list of all the occupations that should replace humans with hardware/software. Anyone care to add?

So far I have:
Accountants
Pharmacists
Meter Maids
Trashmen
Insurance agents
Technical Support representatives
Anesthesiologists
Fast food operators
All factory workers
All cashiers
Auto technicians and mechanics
Paralegals


Who else wants to add more to this? I'm sure we have a few more that people think will replace humans in 5-10 years.
 
Has anyone heard about studying Bpharm at Manipal University?

Is it recognized in other countries? Cause' the fees are so cheap >.<
 
Jabberwocky12 said:
Hmm, I'm thinking of making a list of all the occupations that should replace humans with hardware/software. Anyone care to add?

So far I have:
Accountants
Pharmacists
Meter Maids
Trashmen
Insurance agents
Technical Support representatives
Anesthesiologists
Fast food operators
All factory workers
All cashiers
Auto technicians and mechanics
Paralegals


Who else wants to add more to this? I'm sure we have a few more that people think will replace humans in 5-10 years.
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Cashiers ARE being replaced. All the CVSes in my area are now using self checkout. There are some kinks here and there, but overall it's going very smoothly.

Anesthesiologists ARE being replaced by cheaper and leaner CRNAs.

Accountants while not being replaced have fallen hard in recent times. Accounting used to be a solid upper middle class profession, now starting salaries are $35-40k. Unless you work for the Big 4, it's tough to ever break six figures. If we ever close our tax loopholes and employ a flat tax, the demand will be even lower.

Factory workers have been and are still being replaced.

Paralegals aren't being replaced, conversely it's the lawyers that are being replaced with paralegal work.

Cars today are running much better than 30 years ago, this has severely squeezed the auto mechanics. It is not uncommon for Toyotas to run for 10 years without any service except for oil changes, brake pads and new mufflers.

$120k retail pharmacists are a huge target.
 
Jabberwocky12 said:
Hmm, I'm thinking of making a list of all the occupations that should replace humans with hardware/software. Anyone care to add?

So far I have:
Accountants
Pharmacists
Meter Maids
Trashmen
Insurance agents
Technical Support representatives
Anesthesiologists
Fast food operators
All factory workers
All cashiers
Auto technicians and mechanics
Paralegals


Who else wants to add more to this? I'm sure we have a few more that people think will replace humans in 5-10 years.
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This reminds me of my senior year of high school when one my classmates asked me what I am going to school for. When I told her I was going pharmacy she said that pharmacists will be replaced by robots. Fasfoward to now and I am a pharmacist and she is now a p1 lol.

I wouldn't laugh for so long though. This may be old
http://www.businessinsider.com/9-jo...rescriptions-without-error-at-two-hospitals-1
 
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Those machines put pharmacy tech jobs at risk, not pharmacists. A pharmacist still has to approve the order.
 
naus said:
Cars today are running much better than 30 years ago, this has severely squeezed the auto mechanics. It is not uncommon for Toyotas to run for 10 years without any service except for oil changes, brake pads and new mufflers.
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10 years with only oil, pads, and a muffler?!? Have fun when your timing belt snaps and your valves crash into the pistons.
 
joetrisman said:
10 years with only oil, pads, and a muffler?!? Have fun when your timing belt snaps and your valves crash into the pistons.
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Timing belts on most cars don't need to be replaced until 100k miles. Some cars' belts last even longer than that. Even oil changes are more spaced apart nowadays. Of course there are other things too like spark plugs and tires.

Yeah, it is 2011, in case you've been in school too long to notice. Ten year old cars were still built in 2001.
 
naus said:
Timing belts on most cars don't need to be replaced until 100k miles. Some cars' belts last even longer than that. Even oil changes are more spaced apart nowadays. Of course there are other things too like spark plugs and tires.

Yeah, it is 2011, in case you've been in school too long to notice. Ten year old cars were still built in 2001.
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ASE still recommends every 60k in addition to most car mfgs. Better safe than sorry imo.
 
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