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I wanted to share some thoughts I originally posted in the pre-podiatry section and start a discussion of what could be in store for the profession in the next 2 decades

Original Post
Student Enrollment Crisis – A Podiatrist's Response

The future?:

Schools have seats to fill. Students will have lower average MCAT scores, GPAs, and other academic metrics over time. This is not an indictment of individual students. Every profession has outstanding physicians who entered with average statistics, and academic metrics alone do not determine who becomes a successful podiatrist. However, when the overall applicant pool becomes smaller, the academic stats of incoming classes will be hard to ignore. The immediate downstream effect may not be obvious because the strongest residency programs will likely continue attracting the strongest graduates. The top residency programs will remain highly competitive for the foreseeable future. The greater challenge lies with the remainder of residency programs, which may find themselves interviewing and matching applicants who, ten or twenty years ago, may never have been matched into those same positions simply because the overall talent pool was larger.

As this transition occurs, residency directors and hiring podiatrists begin asking questions such as, "What happened to the students from NYCPM?" or "Why aren't Des Moines externs as good as they used to be?" The more uncomfortable reality is that the answer may have very little to do with those schools themselves. Schools can only educate the students who choose to accept admission to their institution. “What happened to podiatry?” is going to be the more appropriate question.

If the overall applicant pool continues to weaken, that same cohort will eventually become the public face of podiatry. Many of these pods will be advocating for the "foot and ankle surgeon" identity that organizations such as the ABFAS and ACFAS have worked to establish. That title carries significant expectations from patients, referring physicians, hospitals, and the broader medical community. If there is a decline in the overall preparedness or consistency of graduating podiatrists, the gap between the highest-performing foot and ankle surgeons and the remainder of the profession may become increasingly apparent. The top tier of podiatric surgeons will likely continue to distinguish themselves through exceptional training, surgical volume, outcomes, and academic achievement. However, if the profession does not maintain a strong pipeline of highly qualified docs, the disparity between that top group and the average pod could widen over time, making it more difficult to preserve the credibility and reputation that the pods worked to build since the 2000s (or earlier).

If responsibility and blame is to be assigned, it belongs to the profession's leadership and senior practitioners. The profession expanded educational capacity by opening multiple new schools despite previous experience demonstrating the consequences of rapid expansion. The first wave of expansion contributed to the residency shortage crisis of 2007–2014. The second wave is occurring while conversations about declining applications and student enrollment challenges are becoming publicized on PMNews. Am I the only one that finds that ridiculous?

Would you open four more restaurants in a small town where existing restaurants are already struggling to fill tables, then create a committee to discuss why customer traffic is declining? Would you build apartment complexes in a market with rising vacancy rates, then question why landlords are being forced to lower rent?

Would you solve a residency shortage by creating more residency positions while ignoring the fact that every one of those residents expects to graduate into a competitive job market with opportunities for ownership or career growth to make the time invested and debt acquired/money spent on education worthwhile?

It’s clear that in our profession the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing. When the ABPM introduced a new surgical certification, the ABFAS/ACFAS folks declared war and newsletters were sent q2 weeks. Yet when the CPME allows 4 new podiatry schools to open over two decades despite widespread concerns about saturation, the profession generated far less public debate to prevent this.

Many experienced podiatrists also supported or participated in this expansion ($$ involved of course).

When pods with 25-30+ years of practice ownership prefer to sell to private equity than transition ownership to the associates that have been producing revenue for them for years, they contribute to the problem. When you see these same docs listed on the leadership boards of these private equity groups, their priorities are clear.

This discussion began as a conversation about declining student enrollment, but I wanted to broaden it to encourage a discussion about where the profession is headed. In my eyes future of podiatry will not be determined by the students entering school today. It will be determined by the decisions the leaders in the profession make today. The residency crisis of 15–20 years ago has evolved into today's student enrollment crisis. The next phase we are on track for is the podiatry employment crisis.

I hate to say it, but the profession will rebalance for the better if the enrollment crisis worsens, residency programs begin closing, and older docs continue to retire.
The business models of private equity backed podiatry practices need to be exposed or fail.
If all these events happen, I wouldn't be surprised if starting salaries after residency are today’s equivalent of 250-300K in private practice in 10-20 years.

My next step is to develop an anonymous form that allows pods to share our experiences. The survey will collect information on topics such as post-residency salary, practice type, career satisfaction, partnership opportunities and perspectives on the future of the profession. My hope is that this data will create a more transparent picture of podiatry for both current pods and prospective students. The e-book will be called Podiatry Unfiltered and will be available for anyone to download once we reach a specific number of responses. Send me a DM if you have suggestions for it. Education and exposure are powerful catalysts for change. This data will be pushed to college universities/online pre-health forums etc.

Of note, I think it's important to provide some context myself because it's easy to dismiss criticism by assuming it comes from someone who struggled in school, residency and practice. That is not my story. I was not someone who repeatedly failed board examinations, spent years trying to match into residency, or has been unable to build a successful career. I own what has become one of the busiest podiatry practices in a mid-sized community. Every month, I have the privilege of treating hundreds of patients with a wide variety of foot and ankle conditions. Over the past few years, I've built strong referral relationships with local hospitals where I take call, primary care physicians, specialists, and other healthcare providers throughout the area. I genuinely enjoy what I do, and there is nothing more rewarding than helping patients. However, on the other end, I would never choose a career in podiatry again if I had a choice.

SDN Podiatry Members - What are your thoughts on where podiatry will be in the next 10–20 years? What changes do you foresee for the profession and what do you think today's podiatrists should be doing to shape its future?
 
When pods with 25-30+ years of practice ownership prefer to sell to private equity than transition ownership to the associates that have been producing revenue for them for years, they contribute to the problem. When you see these same docs listed on the leadership boards of these private equity groups, their priorities are clear.
Private equity will fail, and it should. Every reinvention of the ponzi scheme always ultimately met the same fate. It's already happening in the private sector, it just hasn't spread it into medicine yet because it's a more industry. Word on the street is USFAS has paused buying practices and canceled pending purchases because they are over leveraged with graft burden. Cracks are already starting to show and I am here for it.
 
The real crisis is Podiatry job crisis. Solve this problem, solve enrollment.

More and more podiatry private practices sell to PE. The same private practices continue to lowball new grads. PE learns from those podiatry groups and does the same.

New grads are forced to work at PE-owned practices they hate because they need to pay the bills.

They're actively looking for jobs every day, every week.

They cold-call hospitals and MSGs trying to create jobs, but most places are already oversaturated.

One guest on Dean Chat said he cold-called 300 rural hospitals in the middle of nowhere before finally finding a job because an older podiatrist was retiring.

It tells 300 rural hospitals didn't care about or value a “foot and ankle surgeon” with 7 years of training.

Even rural areas are saturated now.

More and more pods are fighting each other because of the limited job market and not enough patients. Bills still need to be paid.

Why would pre med with a high MCAT score and GPA apply to podiatry if they could apply to MD/DO instead?

The training is at least 7 years either way, but MDs and DOs are generally paid 3 times more salary and receive more recognition and respect.
 
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Ortho we worked with in residency hated some of the local podiatrists because he said they will do whatever makes them the most money possible regardless of what’s best for the patient.

Now, I think that happens elsewhere in practice of medicine, but probably hits fields like podiatry harder because we are saturated and have to fight for decent compensation. MD/DO can practice however they want and are basically guaranteed to make a lot, not true in podiatry.
 
MD and DO school was much easier to get into in the 1980s and 1990s. Thats how I feel about old pods.

I would cut or heavily audit programs. Those that are not up to par will fast track larger systems in cities for programs.

The issue is older doctors are selling to private equity who just liquidates the office in 2-3 years. Interest rates make it hard to finance a brand new practice. I have also heard USFAS is failing. All for it.
 
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One guest on Dean Chat said he cold-called 300 rural hospitals in the middle of nowhere before finally finding a job because an older podiatrist was retiring.

Oh my god that's terrible. You happen to know which episode it was?
 
A guy who trained at the Tucson VA cold called 350 rural hospitals. He finally got a job in a town with a population of 10k, not because the hospital valued a podiatrist and created a position for him, but because an older podiatrist was retiring.

Even rural now are saturated. Real podiatry crisis.

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Podiatry is going to face a reckoning (tbh I think it has). All these ****ty residencies and these old bozos selling out to PE and these other bozos cranking out schools have gotten Podiatry just like pharmacy and dentistry: a few at the top enriching themselves at the expense of the big chunk of the rest of us, all desperate to cling to jobs. Schools need to close. These dog**** residencies need to close. All these PE companies need to die.


Podiatry will not be a truly attractive prospect until that happens
 
Podiatry is going to face a reckoning (tbh I think it has). All these ****ty residencies and these old bozos selling out to PE and these other bozos cranking out schools have gotten Podiatry just like pharmacy and dentistry: a few at the top enriching themselves at the expense of the big chunk of the rest of us, all desperate to cling to jobs. Schools need to close. These dog**** residencies need to close. All these PE companies need to die.


Podiatry will not be a truly attractive prospect until that happens
Easy on the edge there bud.
You ok?

Side note- I've always wondered what life would be like right now if I had duked it out for a few more years to go MD/DO or even FNP......even if it was family/internal medicine.....would be making double what I make now in whatever location I want.
 
A guy who trained at the Tucson VA cold called 350 rural hospitals. He finally got a job in a town with a population of 10k, not because the hospital valued a podiatrist and created a position for him, but because an older podiatrist was retiring.

Even rural now are saturated. Real podiatry crisis.

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Should've did residency at the Tuscon VA
 
A guy who trained at the Tucson VA cold called 350 rural hospitals. He finally got a job in a town with a population of 10k, not because the hospital valued a podiatrist and created a position for him, but because an older podiatrist was retiring.

Even rural now are saturated. Real podiatry crisis.

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Guy is 1 hour from Kansas city, which is a nice city… not a bad gig at all. Props to him. Not an awful commute if he wished to live in KC. I would take that job. Congrats to him.

Issue with rural hospitals is if you don’t have connections to the area you don't get to the
right people. I had 3-4 solid offers because I know MD/DO and NPs. The support staff in these hospitals is usually bad and secretaries are useless. My current job was obtained after an NP from my old hospital literally told the general surgeon at my new hospital there “this guy does all the gross feet stuff”. Had a phone call that week and an offer for all my asks 5 weeks later.
 
I wanted to share some thoughts I originally posted in the pre-podiatry section and start a discussion of what could be in store for the profession in the next 2 decades

Original Post
Student Enrollment Crisis – A Podiatrist's Response

The future?:

Schools have seats to fill. Students will have lower average MCAT scores, GPAs, and other academic metrics over time. This is not an indictment of individual students. Every profession has outstanding physicians who entered with average statistics, and academic metrics alone do not determine who becomes a successful podiatrist. However, when the overall applicant pool becomes smaller, the academic stats of incoming classes will be hard to ignore. The immediate downstream effect may not be obvious because the strongest residency programs will likely continue attracting the strongest graduates. The top residency programs will remain highly competitive for the foreseeable future. The greater challenge lies with the remainder of residency programs, which may find themselves interviewing and matching applicants who, ten or twenty years ago, may never have been matched into those same positions simply because the overall talent pool was larger.

As this transition occurs, residency directors and hiring podiatrists begin asking questions such as, "What happened to the students from NYCPM?" or "Why aren't Des Moines externs as good as they used to be?" The more uncomfortable reality is that the answer may have very little to do with those schools themselves. Schools can only educate the students who choose to accept admission to their institution. “What happened to podiatry?” is going to be the more appropriate question.

If the overall applicant pool continues to weaken, that same cohort will eventually become the public face of podiatry. Many of these pods will be advocating for the "foot and ankle surgeon" identity that organizations such as the ABFAS and ACFAS have worked to establish. That title carries significant expectations from patients, referring physicians, hospitals, and the broader medical community. If there is a decline in the overall preparedness or consistency of graduating podiatrists, the gap between the highest-performing foot and ankle surgeons and the remainder of the profession may become increasingly apparent. The top tier of podiatric surgeons will likely continue to distinguish themselves through exceptional training, surgical volume, outcomes, and academic achievement. However, if the profession does not maintain a strong pipeline of highly qualified docs, the disparity between that top group and the average pod could widen over time, making it more difficult to preserve the credibility and reputation that the pods worked to build since the 2000s (or earlier).

If responsibility and blame is to be assigned, it belongs to the profession's leadership and senior practitioners. The profession expanded educational capacity by opening multiple new schools despite previous experience demonstrating the consequences of rapid expansion. The first wave of expansion contributed to the residency shortage crisis of 2007–2014. The second wave is occurring while conversations about declining applications and student enrollment challenges are becoming publicized on PMNews. Am I the only one that finds that ridiculous?

Would you open four more restaurants in a small town where existing restaurants are already struggling to fill tables, then create a committee to discuss why customer traffic is declining? Would you build apartment complexes in a market with rising vacancy rates, then question why landlords are being forced to lower rent?

Would you solve a residency shortage by creating more residency positions while ignoring the fact that every one of those residents expects to graduate into a competitive job market with opportunities for ownership or career growth to make the time invested and debt acquired/money spent on education worthwhile?

It’s clear that in our profession the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing. When the ABPM introduced a new surgical certification, the ABFAS/ACFAS folks declared war and newsletters were sent q2 weeks. Yet when the CPME allows 4 new podiatry schools to open over two decades despite widespread concerns about saturation, the profession generated far less public debate to prevent this.

Many experienced podiatrists also supported or participated in this expansion ($$ involved of course).

When pods with 25-30+ years of practice ownership prefer to sell to private equity than transition ownership to the associates that have been producing revenue for them for years, they contribute to the problem. When you see these same docs listed on the leadership boards of these private equity groups, their priorities are clear.

This discussion began as a conversation about declining student enrollment, but I wanted to broaden it to encourage a discussion about where the profession is headed. In my eyes future of podiatry will not be determined by the students entering school today. It will be determined by the decisions the leaders in the profession make today. The residency crisis of 15–20 years ago has evolved into today's student enrollment crisis. The next phase we are on track for is the podiatry employment crisis.

I hate to say it, but the profession will rebalance for the better if the enrollment crisis worsens, residency programs begin closing, and older docs continue to retire.
The business models of private equity backed podiatry practices need to be exposed or fail.
If all these events happen, I wouldn't be surprised if starting salaries after residency are today’s equivalent of 250-300K in private practice in 10-20 years.

My next step is to develop an anonymous form that allows pods to share our experiences. The survey will collect information on topics such as post-residency salary, practice type, career satisfaction, partnership opportunities and perspectives on the future of the profession. My hope is that this data will create a more transparent picture of podiatry for both current pods and prospective students. The e-book will be called Podiatry Unfiltered and will be available for anyone to download once we reach a specific number of responses. Send me a DM if you have suggestions for it. Education and exposure are powerful catalysts for change. This data will be pushed to college universities/online pre-health forums etc.

Of note, I think it's important to provide some context myself because it's easy to dismiss criticism by assuming it comes from someone who struggled in school, residency and practice. That is not my story. I was not someone who repeatedly failed board examinations, spent years trying to match into residency, or has been unable to build a successful career. I own what has become one of the busiest podiatry practices in a mid-sized community. Every month, I have the privilege of treating hundreds of patients with a wide variety of foot and ankle conditions. Over the past few years, I've built strong referral relationships with local hospitals where I take call, primary care physicians, specialists, and other healthcare providers throughout the area. I genuinely enjoy what I do, and there is nothing more rewarding than helping patients. However, on the other end, I would never choose a career in podiatry again if I had a choice.

SDN Podiatry Members - What are your thoughts on where podiatry will be in the next 10–20 years? What changes do you foresee for the profession and what do you think today's podiatrists should be doing to shape its future?
As podiatrist of some 40 years don’t go in it. Too costly and lack jobs. The job you take probably filled with fraud, waste and abuse
 
One of my main reps mentioned that a very well-known F&A ortho who the company pays handsomely mentioned at a conference that podiatrists now are brilliant. Skip the bs of med school and ortho residency and the years extra and go straight into foot and ankle. This guy works with the top brass of our profession who do good surgery and are on panels for design of total ankles and such. But it’s funny to hear that side because they don’t know the job market is so bad for us.
 
A guy who trained at the Tucson VA cold called 350 rural hospitals. He finally got a job in a town with a population of 10k, not because the hospital valued a podiatrist and created a position for him, but because an older podiatrist was retiring.

Even rural now are saturated. Real podiatry crisis.

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North... Korea?
 
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Podiatry was not too good when it was $200k total student loan debt (and lower interst rates) when I went. The end result was far wider variance and lower overall income to MD/DO. That remains today... varied training, varied income, but that'd all be expected when basically anyone can get into podiatry school.
It is very bad, on average, now at $400k debt (tuition alone at any pod school eclipses 200k now... then add interest and living costs). That is the main issue: increasingly poor ROI. The salaries and jobs are not much different, but tuition has gone exponential. Either grads now or DPM grads 20 years ago will be cold calling to then ends of the Earth, having residency of variable quality, likely getting a job with 1:2 loans : income ROI. Anything worse than 1:1 is just not acceptable - for health professions or anything else.

There is no job crisis, though. We just don't have enough jobs actually using the skills we were promised and that many of us trained and studied for. There are tons of people wanting nails trimmed, diabetics with ulcers. There are endless low paying associate jobs to do that stuff. It is not the work I want or most DPMs want, but it's there. Podiatry was created because it's work MDs don't want to do; they want to turf that stuff. The primary dissatisfaction for most DPMs is that they train for surgery, they were told they'd be surgeons... and then they usually end up getting subpar surgery training and/or not much surgery volume out in practice. They are understandably frustrated. They planned for surgery with high income... and most get lower income, much keratin grinding, and little surgery. 🙂

The minority subset of hospital employed DPMs (VAs, private hospitals, univ, etc) or ortho/MSG ones who do more bone/joint will do better on income, but many of them still get upset if they start comparing to MD/DO surgeon peers and finding they only make a fraction of the income despite similar hours/call/wRVU workloads. Also, there aren't the many non-surgical TFPs feeding the hospital/ortho podaitrists as much anymore (most DPMs now have 3yr training and will all do their own surgery to at least some extent... even if they fail ABFAS). There are only a finite number of bunion surgery, flat foot, Jones fractures, etc needed. Ortho will fight us for the ankle fractures in most places as those are common and mostly easy and pay well. Podiatry missed the boat badly on not taking the dental model with surgical trained minority and C&C/wound basic podiatry for majority of our grads. We'd have less debt for the non-surgeons, better surgeons (volume in practice), and overall better patient foot care in that way... but it was never meant to be (since that would not sell podiatry to prospective students).

The problem is not that there are no podiatry jobs, though. The jobs just have low pay, low ROI on the school/debt. It's now that most of those jobs are associate jobs (supergroup, PP, mobile, etc) under $200k or even closer to $100k. That is a recipe for being in that student loan debt for life (or maybe 20-25yr forgiveness based on plan... and you've hit 50 years old and paid over your orig ~$400k loans by then - even with seemingly low IBR monthly rate).

...as to the 'predict the future' part, that is pretty simple. Just look to pharmacy or optometry or other saturated professions with private equity corporations as the major employers...
  • We will have generational student debt: intead of generational wealth, many DPMs will still have student loan burden when their own kids go off to college. That is pitiful, but ROI is too low for most podiatrists. You can only be frugal to a certain point if you can't find higher income eventually. There will be a small minority of DPMs doing very well, as in any profession... bell curve.
  • The jobs will be there - just not ROI. No pod will go hungry, but an increasing percent of DPMs will work for the big supergroups at ~30% collections and see their career peak by age 35 with no hope of partnership and trouble paying loans to any meaningful degree unless they're ultra-frugal. Those PE supergroups are our version of what CVS, Walgreens, Walmart pharmacy, etc were to pharmacists when they rapidly opened new schools. Solo PP will continue to work for podiatry, but it's hard with inflation of costs yet MCR and other plans reimbursement essentially flatline. No bank is gleeful to loan startup money to someone $400k in debt either. There are obviously not enough hospital/facility/ortho jobs for all podiatrists who want them... we've known that awhile, and it has increased in difficulty with even fellowship DPMs and top residency grads cold call everywhere to hope to find rural CAH jobs or VA jobs and just avoid normal associate podiatry jobs. Those tinytown hospital and small ortho group and VA/IHS jobs were not hard 20 or even 10 years ago... but they are pretty hard to find now.
  • Student quality or quantity at podiatry schools will always wax and wane. I would imagine that, just like pharmacy schools, we'd see a freeze on new podiatry schools and likely see one or two of the laggard pod schools close or "merge" (to save face). Kent or LECOM will likely be first to kick the bucket as they perform poor and are close geographically to other pod schools. It will take the student loan defaults, decreased applications (despite tuitions lowered and scholarships increased) to force that to happen.
  • Training for podiatry will continue to be wacky and all over the board. First it was no residencies, and then weird residencies (PPMR, PSR, POR, etc). Then, all were 2yr or 3yr "surgical", then all were 3 years "foot and ankle surgeon." However, we know full well that some programs are pretty good and others total trash. It's the same with fellowships: all over the board... and most of them also take needed cases/attendings out of residencies. The beginning of pod school is mostly people who struggled and got very low MCAT, so that's half expected variable DPM competence (even if we had better and more standardized residencies for all). It is a hallmark of saturated professions to have free/underpaid work, and podiatry fellowships - now on the rise - are exactly that; pharmacy added them too as their saturation mounted. People do them to buy another year to look for jobs and to try to have any distinguishing factor on CV for a decent (non-associate) job.
  • Podiatry will continue to go on. It was made for a reason (PCPs didn't want to cut toenails and calluses... but old people want a person with a white coat to cut those nails and callluses). All we can really do is embrace it, make money, invest and save, and get out when we can. The scope of practice seems to have stabilized, but we all know that DPMs do ankle fractures at some hospitals yet would never be referred them in other areas/hospitals. The infighting will never stop... another hallmark of a saturated vocation. We'll have the haves and the have-nots due to saturation and varied training/competence. At the end of the day, it's a way to pay the bills... but ROI is slipping (as with most health professions... podiatry was much more iffy to begin with than dent or MD/DO). It will get dicey with the supergroup jobs becoming more nad more of the DPM norm.
 
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One of my main reps mentioned that a very well-known F&A ortho who the company pays handsomely mentioned at a conference that podiatrists now are brilliant. Skip the bs of med school and ortho residency and the years extra and go straight into foot and ankle. This guy works with the top brass of our profession who do good surgery and are on panels for design of total ankles and such. But it’s funny to hear that side because they don’t know the job market is so bad for us.
Well, he gets a cut of sales. He's being smart... I would say that when lecturing to potential customers too: anyone who can use the products that give me commision is great/smart/cute/envied/yep. 🙂

If you go to AOFAS, you get a much better idea what the F&A orthos (ones who write the books/papers... and just normal ones) think of us. The ones at sponsored lectures or ACFAS etc are full of good info and I love the diversity of mindset on the pathology, but they are mainly there to do free vaca and make money in various forms (usually reps, maybe meeting org or other $$).

But for F&A ortho - or most orthos and MDs - they created such high training and high demand that they now face some scope creep from midlevels. They simply use them as extenders, though.. and most F&A want podaitry to be the same (some ortho groups - usually the non-F&A orthos - and hospitals obviously use DPMs as cheaper employ for the F&A bone/joint work... but they are minority). The F&A orthos still want any DPM making orthotics and doing injects and wound care and doing non-op stuff... and I honestly can't blame them. Most know who the better DPMs in their area are and won't talk too poorly of them... but you can bet your retirement that they think it often. When you look at that the F&A orthos not just passed - but excelled - at MCAT then med school then USMLE then ortho then ortho fellowship... yep. They will have far, far fewer "bad apples" than poditry ever will.

Should've did residency at the Tuscon VA
^You win the day.
 
The F&A orthos still want any DPM making orthotics and doing injects and wound care and doing non-op stuff...
True. These days I don't do much rearfoot or ankle trauma, and I'd be perfectly happy to hand a calc off to ortho, even if I were consulted first. In return, I get plenty of bunion referrals from them. I've intentionally narrowed my surgical practice to a handful of procedures that I perform consistently. That's my comfort zone, and I'm perfectly happy with it.

To Dr. Roger's ( @diabeticfootdr ) credit, I remember him telling us back when I was in school that if you're willing to take I&D work, you'll have no trouble getting into a hospital system. There's always a need for someone to handle infections. On the other hand, if you walk into administration saying you're there to take trauma call, you're probably going to ruffle a few feathers.

I'm much more established in my area now, but it's still a little sad to watch new graduates competing over Medicaid ankle trauma cases. I honestly don't see the appeal. The reimbursement is poor, the patient population can be very challenging, and the cases carry higher liability along with a much heavier documentation and administrative burden.
 
Podiatry was not too good when it was $200k total student loan debt (and lower interst rates) when I went. The end result was far wider variance and lower overall income to MD/DO. That remains today... varied training, varied income, but that'd all be expected when basically anyone can get into podiatry school.
It is very bad, on average, now at $400k debt (tuition alone at any pod school eclipses 200k now... then add interest and living costs). That is the main issue: increasingly poor ROI. The salaries and jobs are not much different, but tuition has gone exponential. Either grads now or DPM grads 20 years ago will be cold calling to then ends of the Earth, having residency of variable quality, likely getting a job with 1:2 loans : income ROI. Anything worse than 1:1 is just not acceptable - for health professions or anything else.

There is no job crisis, though. We just don't have enough jobs actually using the skills we were promised and that many of us trained and studied for. There are tons of people wanting nails trimmed, diabetics with ulcers. There are endless low paying associate jobs to do that stuff. It is not the work I want or most DPMs want, but it's there. Podiatry was created because it's work MDs don't want to do; they want to turf that stuff. The primary dissatisfaction for most DPMs is that they train for surgery, they were told they'd be surgeons... and then they usually end up getting subpar surgery training and/or not much surgery volume out in practice. They are understandably frustrated. They planned for surgery with high income... and most get lower income, much keratin grinding, and little surgery. 🙂

The minority subset of hospital employed DPMs (VAs, private hospitals, univ, etc) or ortho/MSG ones who do more bone/joint will do better on income, but many of them still get upset if they start comparing to MD/DO surgeon peers and finding they only make a fraction of the income despite similar hours/call/wRVU workloads. Also, there aren't the many non-surgical TFPs feeding the hospital/ortho podaitrists as much anymore (most DPMs now have 3yr training and will all do their own surgery to at least some extent... even if they fail ABFAS). There are only a finite number of bunion surgery, flat foot, Jones fractures, etc needed. Ortho will fight us for the ankle fractures in most places as those are common and mostly easy and pay well. Podiatry missed the boat badly on not taking the dental model with surgical trained minority and C&C/wound basic podiatry for majority of our grads. We'd have less debt for the non-surgeons, better surgeons (volume in practice), and overall better patient foot care in that way... but it was never meant to be (since that would not sell podiatry to prospective students).

The problem is not that there are no podiatry jobs, though. The jobs just have low pay, low ROI on the school/debt. It's now that most of those jobs are associate jobs (supergroup, PP, mobile, etc) under $200k or even closer to $100k. That is a recipe for being in that student loan debt for life (or maybe 20-25yr forgiveness based on plan... and you've hit 50 years old and paid over your orig ~$400k loans by then - even with seemingly low IBR monthly rate).

...as to the 'predict the future' part, that is pretty simple. Just look to pharmacy or optometry or other saturated professions with private equity corporations as the major employers...
  • We will have generational student debt: intead of generational wealth, many DPMs will still have student loan burden when their own kids go off to college. That is pitiful, but ROI is too low for most podiatrists. You can only be frugal to a certain point if you can't find higher income eventually. There will be a small minority of DPMs doing very well, as in any profession... bell curve.
  • The jobs will be there - just not ROI. No pod will go hungry, but an increasing percent of DPMs will work for the big supergroups at ~30% collections and see their career peak by age 35 with no hope of partnership and trouble paying loans to any meaningful degree unless they're ultra-frugal. Those PE supergroups are our version of what CVS, Walgreens, Walmart pharmacy, etc were to pharmacists when they rapidly opened new schools. Solo PP will continue to work for podiatry, but it's hard with inflation of costs yet MCR and other plans reimbursement essentially flatline. No bank is gleeful to loan startup money to someone $400k in debt either. There are obviously not enough hospital/facility/ortho jobs for all podiatrists who want them... we've known that awhile, and it has increased in difficulty with even fellowship DPMs and top residency grads cold call everywhere to hope to find rural CAH jobs or VA jobs and just avoid normal associate podiatry jobs. Those tinytown hospital and small ortho group and VA/IHS jobs were not hard 20 or even 10 years ago... but they are pretty hard to find now.
  • Student quality or quantity at podiatry schools will always wax and wane. I would imagine that, just like pharmacy schools, we'd see a freeze on new podiatry schools and likely see one or two of the laggard pod schools close or "merge" (to save face). Kent or LECOM will likely be first to kick the bucket as they perform poor and are close geographically to other pod schools. It will take the student loan defaults, decreased applications (despite tuitions lowered and scholarships increased) to force that to happen.
  • Training for podiatry will continue to be wacky and all over the board. First it was no residencies, and then weird residencies (PPMR, PSR, POR, etc). Then, all were 2yr or 3yr "surgical", then all were 3 years "foot and ankle surgeon." However, we know full well that some programs are pretty good and others total trash. It's the same with fellowships: all over the board... and most of them also take needed cases/attendings out of residencies. The beginning of pod school is mostly people who struggled and got very low MCAT, so that's half expected variable DPM competence (even if we had better and more standardized residencies for all). It is a hallmark of saturated professions to have free/underpaid work, and podiatry fellowships - now on the rise - are exactly that; pharmacy added them too as their saturation mounted. People do them to buy another year to look for jobs and to try to have any distinguishing factor on CV for a decent (non-associate) job.
  • Podiatry will continue to go on. It was made for a reason (PCPs didn't want to cut toenails and calluses... but old people want a person with a white coat to cut those nails and callluses). All we can really do is embrace it, make money, invest and save, and get out when we can. The scope of practice seems to have stabilized, but we all know that DPMs do ankle fractures at some hospitals yet would never be referred them in other areas/hospitals. The infighting will never stop... another hallmark of a saturated vocation. We'll have the haves and the have-nots due to saturation and varied training/competence. At the end of the day, it's a way to pay the bills... but ROI is slipping (as with most health professions... podiatry was much more iffy to begin with than dent or MD/DO). It will get dicey with the supergroup jobs becoming more nad more of the DPM norm.
Brilliant summary
 
Guy is 1 hour from Kansas city, which is a nice city… not a bad gig at all. Props to him. Not an awful commute if he wished to live in KC. I would take that job. Congrats to him.

Issue with rural hospitals is if you don’t have connections to the area you don't get to the
right people. I had 3-4 solid offers because I know MD/DO and NPs. The support staff in these hospitals is usually bad and secretaries are useless. My current job was obtained after an NP from my old hospital literally told the general surgeon at my new hospital there “this guy does all the gross feet stuff”. Had a phone call that week and an offer for all my asks 5 weeks later.
Yeah obviously you have not lived in Kansas...there is a reason they say the drive on I70 from KC to Denver is the worst in the country.
 
A chiropractor reduced my patients dislocated 5th toe fracture before she came to see me for a consult

APMA needs to investigate this before we lose more business
 
Podiatry was not too good when it was $200k total student loan debt (and lower interst rates) when I went. The end result was far wider variance and lower overall income to MD/DO. That remains today... varied training, varied income, but that'd all be expected when basically anyone can get into podiatry school.
It is very bad, on average, now at $400k debt (tuition alone at any pod school eclipses 200k now... then add interest and living costs). That is the main issue: increasingly poor ROI. The salaries and jobs are not much different, but tuition has gone exponential. Either grads now or DPM grads 20 years ago will be cold calling to then ends of the Earth, having residency of variable quality, likely getting a job with 1:2 loans : income ROI. Anything worse than 1:1 is just not acceptable - for health professions or anything else.

There is no job crisis, though. We just don't have enough jobs actually using the skills we were promised and that many of us trained and studied for. There are tons of people wanting nails trimmed, diabetics with ulcers. There are endless low paying associate jobs to do that stuff. It is not the work I want or most DPMs want, but it's there. Podiatry was created because it's work MDs don't want to do; they want to turf that stuff. The primary dissatisfaction for most DPMs is that they train for surgery, they were told they'd be surgeons... and then they usually end up getting subpar surgery training and/or not much surgery volume out in practice. They are understandably frustrated. They planned for surgery with high income... and most get lower income, much keratin grinding, and little surgery. 🙂

The minority subset of hospital employed DPMs (VAs, private hospitals, univ, etc) or ortho/MSG ones who do more bone/joint will do better on income, but many of them still get upset if they start comparing to MD/DO surgeon peers and finding they only make a fraction of the income despite similar hours/call/wRVU workloads. Also, there aren't the many non-surgical TFPs feeding the hospital/ortho podaitrists as much anymore (most DPMs now have 3yr training and will all do their own surgery to at least some extent... even if they fail ABFAS). There are only a finite number of bunion surgery, flat foot, Jones fractures, etc needed. Ortho will fight us for the ankle fractures in most places as those are common and mostly easy and pay well. Podiatry missed the boat badly on not taking the dental model with surgical trained minority and C&C/wound basic podiatry for majority of our grads. We'd have less debt for the non-surgeons, better surgeons (volume in practice), and overall better patient foot care in that way... but it was never meant to be (since that would not sell podiatry to prospective students).

The problem is not that there are no podiatry jobs, though. The jobs just have low pay, low ROI on the school/debt. It's now that most of those jobs are associate jobs (supergroup, PP, mobile, etc) under $200k or even closer to $100k. That is a recipe for being in that student loan debt for life (or maybe 20-25yr forgiveness based on plan... and you've hit 50 years old and paid over your orig ~$400k loans by then - even with seemingly low IBR monthly rate).

...as to the 'predict the future' part, that is pretty simple. Just look to pharmacy or optometry or other saturated professions with private equity corporations as the major employers...
  • We will have generational student debt: intead of generational wealth, many DPMs will still have student loan burden when their own kids go off to college. That is pitiful, but ROI is too low for most podiatrists. You can only be frugal to a certain point if you can't find higher income eventually. There will be a small minority of DPMs doing very well, as in any profession... bell curve.
  • The jobs will be there - just not ROI. No pod will go hungry, but an increasing percent of DPMs will work for the big supergroups at ~30% collections and see their career peak by age 35 with no hope of partnership and trouble paying loans to any meaningful degree unless they're ultra-frugal. Those PE supergroups are our version of what CVS, Walgreens, Walmart pharmacy, etc were to pharmacists when they rapidly opened new schools. Solo PP will continue to work for podiatry, but it's hard with inflation of costs yet MCR and other plans reimbursement essentially flatline. No bank is gleeful to loan startup money to someone $400k in debt either. There are obviously not enough hospital/facility/ortho jobs for all podiatrists who want them... we've known that awhile, and it has increased in difficulty with even fellowship DPMs and top residency grads cold call everywhere to hope to find rural CAH jobs or VA jobs and just avoid normal associate podiatry jobs. Those tinytown hospital and small ortho group and VA/IHS jobs were not hard 20 or even 10 years ago... but they are pretty hard to find now.
  • Student quality or quantity at podiatry schools will always wax and wane. I would imagine that, just like pharmacy schools, we'd see a freeze on new podiatry schools and likely see one or two of the laggard pod schools close or "merge" (to save face). Kent or LECOM will likely be first to kick the bucket as they perform poor and are close geographically to other pod schools. It will take the student loan defaults, decreased applications (despite tuitions lowered and scholarships increased) to force that to happen.
  • Training for podiatry will continue to be wacky and all over the board. First it was no residencies, and then weird residencies (PPMR, PSR, POR, etc). Then, all were 2yr or 3yr "surgical", then all were 3 years "foot and ankle surgeon." However, we know full well that some programs are pretty good and others total trash. It's the same with fellowships: all over the board... and most of them also take needed cases/attendings out of residencies. The beginning of pod school is mostly people who struggled and got very low MCAT, so that's half expected variable DPM competence (even if we had better and more standardized residencies for all). It is a hallmark of saturated professions to have free/underpaid work, and podiatry fellowships - now on the rise - are exactly that; pharmacy added them too as their saturation mounted. People do them to buy another year to look for jobs and to try to have any distinguishing factor on CV for a decent (non-associate) job.
  • Podiatry will continue to go on. It was made for a reason (PCPs didn't want to cut toenails and calluses... but old people want a person with a white coat to cut those nails and callluses). All we can really do is embrace it, make money, invest and save, and get out when we can. The scope of practice seems to have stabilized, but we all know that DPMs do ankle fractures at some hospitals yet would never be referred them in other areas/hospitals. The infighting will never stop... another hallmark of a saturated vocation. We'll have the haves and the have-nots due to saturation and varied training/competence. At the end of the day, it's a way to pay the bills... but ROI is slipping (as with most health professions... podiatry was much more iffy to begin with than dent or MD/DO). It will get dicey with the supergroup jobs becoming more nad more of the DPM norm.
No no
 
A new VA intern woke his attending at 2 AM for a stable toe amp consult.

APMA needs to find this man, give him a medal, and fast track him into leadership.
 
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There is a rise of RNs and CNPs specializing in clinical podiatry / foot & ankle services at hospital outpatient facilities across the nation taking away our patient population. At my hospitals NPs are doing intra-op debridements.

APMA is going to do nothing over this when I tell them about it and celebrate the expansion of podiatric services at the cost of increase in DPM unemployment due to rendering equivalent services by midlevels
 
All the while, every trained "Foot and Ankle Surgeon" cannot find enough work for what they were trained for (surgery) and are relying on the toenails and calluses service to put food on the table and pay the bills (student loans, etc.). It's no wonder we get paid so cheap as we are way oversaturated, and the cycle continues of ever increasing number of grads finding jobs with lower compensations. They'll keep it that way forever and for as long as possible, and nothing changes.
 
There is a rise of RNs and CNPs specializing in clinical podiatry / foot & ankle services at hospital outpatient facilities across the nation taking away our patient population. At my hospitals NPs are doing intra-op debridements.

APMA is going to do nothing over this when I tell them about it and celebrate the expansion of podiatric services at the cost of increase in DPM unemployment due to rendering equivalent services by midlevels
Family Practice MDs transitioning to wound care taking wound clinic jobs. My patients on discharge get funneled into their clinic by case workers despite my frustrations(I only do limb salvage in patient, they wont let me in the WCC). His patients show up in my ER daily, then he lectures me on changing these patients dressings on discharge after a salvage procedure. He did a lecture on “the healing of a surgical wound TMA” after i did 4-5 surgery’s to save the stump. He didnt mention it was his patient who had a DM foot infection after he didn’t do any labs or serial xr for 2-3 months. He used this as his success stories. All he did was put collagen and a football wrap on a 2x2 superficial wound where the STSG didnt take. “We help surgeons close complications”. Not mentioning the extensive revisions and local muscle flaps to cover the stumps.

RN in my hospital got a toenail certificate and does toenails, she ended up cutting off the tip of a toe of a vasculopath a while ago. Here I am picking up their pieces. Their incompetence feeds me RVUs. I make complaints but my hospital doesnt care. 😛
 
Family Practice MDs transitioning to wound care taking wound clinic jobs. My patients on discharge get funneled into their clinic by case workers despite my frustrations(I only do limb salvage in patient, they wont let me in the WCC). His patients show up in my ER daily, then he lectures me on changing these patients dressings on discharge after a salvage procedure. He did a lecture on “the healing of a surgical wound TMA” after i did 4-5 surgery’s to save the stump. He didnt mention it was his patient who had a DM foot infection after he didn’t do any labs or serial xr for 2-3 months. He used this as his success stories. All he did was put collagen and a football wrap on a 2x2 superficial wound where the STSG didnt take. “We help surgeons close complications”. Not mentioning the extensive revisions and local muscle flaps to cover the stumps.

RN in my hospital got a toenail certificate and does toenails, she ended up cutting off the tip of a toe of a vasculopath a while ago. Here I am picking up their pieces. Their incompetence feeds me RVUs. I make complaints but my hospital doesnt care. 😛
I feel your rage. I would do everything in my power to bury that dude.
 
Family Practice MDs transitioning to wound care taking wound clinic jobs. My patients on discharge get funneled into their clinic by case workers despite my frustrations(I only do limb salvage in patient, they wont let me in the WCC). His patients show up in my ER daily, then he lectures me on changing these patients dressings on discharge after a salvage procedure. He did a lecture on “the healing of a surgical wound TMA” after i did 4-5 surgery’s to save the stump. He didnt mention it was his patient who had a DM foot infection after he didn’t do any labs or serial xr for 2-3 months. He used this as his success stories. All he did was put collagen and a football wrap on a 2x2 superficial wound where the STSG didnt take. “We help surgeons close complications”. Not mentioning the extensive revisions and local muscle flaps to cover the stumps.

RN in my hospital got a toenail certificate and does toenails, she ended up cutting off the tip of a toe of a vasculopath a while ago. Here I am picking up their pieces. Their incompetence feeds me RVUs. I make complaints but my hospital doesnt care. 😛
We are treated by healthcare system in many cases as secondary, less than. But , APMA is coming to rescue….
I wanted to share some thoughts I originally posted in the pre-podiatry section and start a discussion of what could be in store for the profession in the next 2 decades

Original Post
Student Enrollment Crisis – A Podiatrist's Response

The future?:

Schools have seats to fill. Students will have lower average MCAT scores, GPAs, and other academic metrics over time. This is not an indictment of individual students. Every profession has outstanding physicians who entered with average statistics, and academic metrics alone do not determine who becomes a successful podiatrist. However, when the overall applicant pool becomes smaller, the academic stats of incoming classes will be hard to ignore. The immediate downstream effect may not be obvious because the strongest residency programs will likely continue attracting the strongest graduates. The top residency programs will remain highly competitive for the foreseeable future. The greater challenge lies with the remainder of residency programs, which may find themselves interviewing and matching applicants who, ten or twenty years ago, may never have been matched into those same positions simply because the overall talent pool was larger.

As this transition occurs, residency directors and hiring podiatrists begin asking questions such as, "What happened to the students from NYCPM?" or "Why aren't Des Moines externs as good as they used to be?" The more uncomfortable reality is that the answer may have very little to do with those schools themselves. Schools can only educate the students who choose to accept admission to their institution. “What happened to podiatry?” is going to be the more appropriate question.

If the overall applicant pool continues to weaken, that same cohort will eventually become the public face of podiatry. Many of these pods will be advocating for the "foot and ankle surgeon" identity that organizations such as the ABFAS and ACFAS have worked to establish. That title carries significant expectations from patients, referring physicians, hospitals, and the broader medical community. If there is a decline in the overall preparedness or consistency of graduating podiatrists, the gap between the highest-performing foot and ankle surgeons and the remainder of the profession may become increasingly apparent. The top tier of podiatric surgeons will likely continue to distinguish themselves through exceptional training, surgical volume, outcomes, and academic achievement. However, if the profession does not maintain a strong pipeline of highly qualified docs, the disparity between that top group and the average pod could widen over time, making it more difficult to preserve the credibility and reputation that the pods worked to build since the 2000s (or earlier).

If responsibility and blame is to be assigned, it belongs to the profession's leadership and senior practitioners. The profession expanded educational capacity by opening multiple new schools despite previous experience demonstrating the consequences of rapid expansion. The first wave of expansion contributed to the residency shortage crisis of 2007–2014. The second wave is occurring while conversations about declining applications and student enrollment challenges are becoming publicized on PMNews. Am I the only one that finds that ridiculous?

Would you open four more restaurants in a small town where existing restaurants are already struggling to fill tables, then create a committee to discuss why customer traffic is declining? Would you build apartment complexes in a market with rising vacancy rates, then question why landlords are being forced to lower rent?

Would you solve a residency shortage by creating more residency positions while ignoring the fact that every one of those residents expects to graduate into a competitive job market with opportunities for ownership or career growth to make the time invested and debt acquired/money spent on education worthwhile?

It’s clear that in our profession the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing. When the ABPM introduced a new surgical certification, the ABFAS/ACFAS folks declared war and newsletters were sent q2 weeks. Yet when the CPME allows 4 new podiatry schools to open over two decades despite widespread concerns about saturation, the profession generated far less public debate to prevent this.

Many experienced podiatrists also supported or participated in this expansion ($$ involved of course).

When pods with 25-30+ years of practice ownership prefer to sell to private equity than transition ownership to the associates that have been producing revenue for them for years, they contribute to the problem. When you see these same docs listed on the leadership boards of these private equity groups, their priorities are clear.

This discussion began as a conversation about declining student enrollment, but I wanted to broaden it to encourage a discussion about where the profession is headed. In my eyes future of podiatry will not be determined by the students entering school today. It will be determined by the decisions the leaders in the profession make today. The residency crisis of 15–20 years ago has evolved into today's student enrollment crisis. The next phase we are on track for is the podiatry employment crisis.

I hate to say it, but the profession will rebalance for the better if the enrollment crisis worsens, residency programs begin closing, and older docs continue to retire.
The business models of private equity backed podiatry practices need to be exposed or fail.
If all these events happen, I wouldn't be surprised if starting salaries after residency are today’s equivalent of 250-300K in private practice in 10-20 years.

My next step is to develop an anonymous form that allows pods to share our experiences. The survey will collect information on topics such as post-residency salary, practice type, career satisfaction, partnership opportunities and perspectives on the future of the profession. My hope is that this data will create a more transparent picture of podiatry for both current pods and prospective students. The e-book will be called Podiatry Unfiltered and will be available for anyone to download once we reach a specific number of responses. Send me a DM if you have suggestions for it. Education and exposure are powerful catalysts for change. This data will be pushed to college universities/online pre-health forums etc.

Of note, I think it's important to provide some context myself because it's easy to dismiss criticism by assuming it comes from someone who struggled in school, residency and practice. That is not my story. I was not someone who repeatedly failed board examinations, spent years trying to match into residency, or has been unable to build a successful career. I own what has become one of the busiest podiatry practices in a mid-sized community. Every month, I have the privilege of treating hundreds of patients with a wide variety of foot and ankle conditions. Over the past few years, I've built strong referral relationships with local hospitals where I take call, primary care physicians, specialists, and other healthcare providers throughout the area. I genuinely enjoy what I do, and there is nothing more rewarding than helping patients. However, on the other end, I would never choose a career in podiatry again if I had a choice.

SDN Podiatry Members - What are your thoughts on where podiatry will be in the next 10–20 years? What changes do you foresee for the profession and what do you think today's podiatrists should be doing to shape its future?
we need a revolution from APMA that’s represents interests of podiatrists. Not same old guard, bs.. thanks
 
“The real crisis is Podiatry job crisis. Solve this problem, solve enrollment.”

I personally believe this is backwards.
Creating jobs in desirable areas is difficult due to saturation. PE is not the only cause.
Solving enrollment = reducing enrollment > solves the job crisis in 10-15 years.
We are better off undershooting and being in need for once. What’s the worst that could happen – someone has to pay a pod more to accept a position. Let’s see who complains about that.

Reducing enrollment needs to go side to side with increasing residency case requirements to naturally close positions and create better trained surgeons.

The 7-year effect:
Every student who chooses not to enroll in podiatry school today represents one fewer pods entering the workforce approximately seven years later (four years of podiatry school plus three years of residency). If the decline in enrollment is beginning now, the job market would not begin to feel the effects until around 2033, when this cohort would have completed training. One factor that could offset this adjustment is the opening of two new podiatry schools, which will increase the overall number of graduates.

Pretend this happens: What did we get wrong that we can get right the second time around? If salaries go up, the job market improves and interest in podiatry goes up, do not increase the # of seats/graduates per year. This is what protects the profession’s income and reputation.This also keeps the enrollment stats up and makes podiatry competitive instead of being the school you can apply to when you don’t/can't get into a US DO/MD school or a Caribbean med school. God forbid hospitals have to open 200-400K salary podiatry positions because there just isn't enough coverage by local pods.

I would like to open up the floor to the next topic. We can vent all we want but what can we do to be proactive regarding the crisis.

My thoughts:

---Continue to share your opinion and posts like these to podiatrists, students, residency directors etc. pre-health organizations. It’s easier to express your opinion on social media, reddit and forums than it will be to shut down a residency, convince a school like NYCPM to reduce their class size, or cause a PE backed podiatry group to fail.
---Boycott the opening of new podiatry schools if some jack@#$ tries to open another new one
---Monitor PE groups like its podiatry’s dotcom bubble waiting to pop
---Help your local residency graduate. Provide guidance when possible. It’s not completely their fault they were tricked
 
Good thoughts, but you can pretend all you like. How would you affect PE groups or boycott a new pod school... not enroll / apply yourself? 🙂
The wheels are already in motion. You are tremendously overcomplicating it...

The APMA + pod schools' plan is obviously fake salary surveys, marketing, podcast, social media, all that stuff to gain apps/matriculant in any way possible.
The deans, professors, etc want money and job security. Schools are needed for those students (aka tuition). Resideny spots are needed for those grads (aka labor and govt funds). PE groups want a glut of grads to keep salaries low and associate DPM supply steady (somebody will take the jobs due to lack of options). Many DPMs also creates members/funds for the various podiatry orgs/conf/etc.
  • if the APMA continues to lose membership share (% of podiatrists), they will have to consider changes (or they become solely funded by corp $$)
  • if the podiatry schools don't get enough enrollement, they will be forced to contract/close (same with residency/fellowship spots). They are obvsiously marketing HARD, creating the bogus salary figures, etc to prevent this.

This is what happened in pharmacy, and it'll happen in podiatry:
Oversupply of grads, job market very shaky, ROI lowers, many grads work corp jobs.... enrollement declines (in pharma, freeze on new PharmD schools and some existing schools closed due to lack of enrollment). Podiatry seems to be lagging about 20 years behind - but absolutey suffering the same fate. The PupperWhine and Devolve and other pod groups are our version of pharmacists' CVS and Walgreens jobs.

tldr = vote with your wallet (don't join/help Apma if they don't provide value and keep the direction of podiatry nosediving),
discuss things plainly (poor average ROI for podiatry degree, emaciated DPM job market)
 
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Frankly, the systemic issues facing podiatry are reaching a point where they may be beyond repair, largely due to decisions made from within.

The structural challenges we face seem to be predetermined by those in leadership. Individuals who are or were former APMA presidents are also major stakeholders in the private equity groups currently reshaping our landscape. This creates a clear incentive to push for more students, residents, and fellows, as it ensures a continuous, low-cost labor force for these massive private equity-backed practices.

Furthermore, our profession has struggled to assert itself nationally. When organizations like the AAOS and AOFAS publicly challenge us, there is no unified response. Instead, our energy is spent fighting internally on a local level, or debating on a national stage about which board certification holds more weight.

This infighting, combined with severe market saturation, is leading to a slow self-destruction. Even in some of the historically least desirable states in the country, the market is completely saturated, with nearly every hospital employing multiple podiatrists.

Compounding this is the rise of industry podcasts and platforms. Rather than addressing or solving the root issues facing recent residency and fellowship graduates, many of these platforms appear to be used primarily for career acceleration or to secure funding from major industry sponsors.

The reality is that we are failing to deliver on the promises made to the next generation of podiatrists, and the current trajectory suggests these systemic issues are deeply entrenched.
 
Any attempts at the grassroots level to curtail enrollment with the intent of influencing the job market 7 years from now are foolhardy. Say we produce slightly fewer podiatrists, and then possibly the job market gets slightly better. In response to the job market becoming slightly better, more podiatrists enroll in schools, and the job market will revert to its present state. This is like how during the oil crisis of the 1970s people thought they could influence oil prices simply by not buying gas on Tuesdays.

Discouraging pre-health students to enroll in podiatry school simply because you want to improve the job market is just as disingenuous as the marketing campaign telling them there's a lineup of patients to operate on waiting for them at their first job along with a $460k paycheck. None of this matters. The market will be what it will be and pre-health students are smart enough to figure out what to do with their lives without our influence.

So I suppose that's my prediction for the future of podiatry: it will be determined by market forces that none of us have any control over. Everything else is sound and fury.

Other predictions:
-Supergroups are too bloated to be profitable and their physician employees have no incentive to offer a quality patient experience. It'll take a long time but we'll see a more mid-sized group practices. Random guess: the sweet spot is 5-8 providers before it becomes too big to administer.
-Increasingly podiatry services will be offered by mid-levels. I trained my NP to become an honorary podiatrist. It took me 7 months, not 7 years.
-PP podiatry simply cannot go concierge. What I'm trying to figure out is how to offer 2-tier service where you accept insurance and offer cash add-on services. We've known this for a long time in the form of retail, but retail has always been the icing on the cake, not a layer of the cake.
-Podiatry schools are all affiliated with bigger medical universities. As such, they are pure profit for the parent university. They'll never go out of business because they're all backed by bigger schools. They will not reduce the DPM degree to 3 years like they recently discussed on PM News and I have advocating for for years now because it is 1 less year of tuition. Any reduction in enrollment will simply be met by increasing tuition.
-Fellowships will become de rigueur for graduating residents. John Stossel once talked about higher education like being at a concert where everyone is standing. If the people in front of you are standing on your toes, you have to stand also. Except new grads are not trying to see, they're trying to be seen.
 
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