The need to be a physician as young as possible

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Fuarky said:
Does age matter to you guys. At the earliest it will be 4 years, 4 year med, 4 year res, a and than practice. But taking a year or two longer or even more than that to get accepted to med school may delay starting age of starting to practice. Does that bother you guys at all? Like I want to done as early as possible.
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as the youngest person in my undergrad class (really not that young tho..), I got picked on frequently as I like to joke around. Usually
young age + comedy = class clown
Old age + comedy = satire and sassy
Haha...well I'm glad I'm spending my time with gap years in the struggle bus. It gives me time to reflect and try different things.
 
When I started medical school, I was 22. When I came back to clerkships after my PhD, I was 28 and infinitely more emotionally mature. All things considered, I am SO glad that I didn't enter my clinical years when I was in my early 20s. I'm sure my grades would have been fine, but back then I didn't have the sympathy, open-mindedness, and tolerance of thankless, excessively-long work days that I have now.

N=1, but I'm glad I didn't go straight through.
 
Mad Jack said:
I was never arguing. I don't get why you view every exchange we have as an argument. Even when I agree with you you think I'm arguing with you half the time lol.
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I didn't read everything - but why is a dental student getting all fussed up in pre allo?

I never go into the dental forum (if that even exists) lol... :x
 
fancymylotus said:
Because I'm not a student, and because our school is as long as yours.
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Correct me if I'm wrong here: though there are certain dental training routes that are long (about the length of an average med-school and residency), typically (as in: far greater than average) dental training is notably shorter than medical training...

In either case, reading the commentary here and the passion you've displayed, one might assume you've taken one of the longer dental routes, so it's a little perplexing to realize that you haven't actually taken these long routes.
 
ImmunoLove said:
Correct me if I'm wrong here: though there are certain dental training routes that are long (about the length of an average med-school and residency), typically (as in: far greater than average) dental training is notably shorter than medical training...

In either case, reading the commentary here and the passion you've displayed, one might assume you've taken one of the longer dental routes, so it's a little perplexing to realize that you haven't actually taken these long routes.
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Most residencies are 3 years. The omfs are 4-6 years.

I took a shorter route out as I work for a parent, we were expanding, and I needed to be there for the expansion.
 
fancymylotus said:
Because I'm not a student, and because our school is as long as yours.
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For a professional - you are sure getting fired up in a pre allo forum.

That still doesn't answer my question. I don't know how you even ended up in this forum. I don't browse dental forum saying "MD's have it just as hard or harder"... :/

Edit - I don't browse dental forums at all...
 
This thread makes me feel old.

@fancymylotus -- could you give a quick rundown on how dental residencies work? I was under the impression most dentists were ready to practice after graduation from dental school but after reading this thread I think I'm mistaken.
 
moisne said:
For a professional - you are sure getting fired up in a pre allo forum.

That still doesn't answer my question. I don't know how you even ended up in this forum. I don't browse dental forum saying "MD's have it just as hard or harder"... :/

Edit - I don't browse dental forums at all...
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I've never said the dental degree is harder or easier. You clearly haven't read anything I posted here. As for why I'm here, you should read Lee's new sticky.
 
moisne said:
Who's Lee? Unless he has some amazing tips on passing boards, I'd rather not.

Yeah that's true.


Not my point. I don't go into dental forums and compare the two... because I don't have any business there.
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I'm glad that I will be a relatively young attending (29 by the time I finish residency unless I opt for surgery). Ain't got no time to waste for my debt to pile up, no investment in retirement and living life for an extended time as a poor student. I got parents to take care of and life goals to fulfill that require financial security. I much rather gaining life experiences through leisure travels and activities than spending gap year(s) in a lab with pipettes and PCR tubes, working odd jobs, or some sort of resume padding volunteer experiences in order to become more "mature". Just my take.
 
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moisne said:
I didn't read everything - but why is a dental student getting all fussed up in pre allo?

I never go into the dental forum (if that even exists) lol... :x
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Calm down, these forums are not closed off to students from other professions.
Sharing of different perspectives has never been a bad thing.
As to why you don't go posting in the dental forum: well, I don't think you have much substance to contribute there... or here.
 
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allantois said:
Calm down, these forums are not closed off to students from other professions.
Sharing of different perspectives has never been a bad thing.
As to why you don't go posting in the dental forum: well, I don't think you have much substance to contribute there... or here.
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I personally find moisne quite informative... I think in this instance madjack and fancymylotus had a "heated" discussion and moisne was "in support" (if you will) of the former's position.

Anyway, let's all unbunch our undergarments and play nice.
 
Dr.Smexy said:
I'm glad that I will be a relatively young attending (29 by the time I finish residency unless I opt for surgery). Ain't got no time to waste for my debt to pile up, no investment in retirement and living life for an extended time as a poor student. I got parents to take care of and life goals to fulfill that require financial security. I much rather gaining life experiences through leisure travels and activities than spending gap year(s) in a lab with pipettes and PCR tubes, working odd jobs, or some sort of resume padding volunteer experiences in order to become more "mature". Just my take.
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That certainly is a salient argument, but for many, the year or two spent gaining "maturity" actually colors and shapes the years which follow; therein lies the difference.
 
While creepin on the arguments posted here has been absolutely schinillating, I would prefer to get back on topic and talk about myself.

Even though I'm 6 feet tall and often wear 4-5 inch heels, I often get mistaken for someone in high school. At 25. I've already accepted that once I'm done with med school/residency etc that my abilities will be questioned due to my age. When I'm in my 40s and look like I'm in my late 20s I'll be thanking my genetics then (my mother is the same way, in her 50s but most people think she's in her mid 30s).
 
TallPreMed said:
While creepin on the arguments posted here has been absolutely schinillating, I would prefer to get back on topic and talk about myself.

Even though I'm 6 feet tall and often wear 4-5 inch heels, I often get mistaken for someone in high school. At 25. I've already accepted that once I'm done with med school/residency etc that my abilities will be questioned due to my age. When I'm in my 40s and look like I'm in my late 20s I'll be thanking my genetics then (my mother is the same way, in her 50s but most people think she's in her mid 30s).
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I'd suggest you carry yourself like the consummate professional you are-- this should suffice to quell the questioning of others. I also look younger than my stated age, and in my case, being 5ft1in also adds to the "youthfulness", and yet, not once has my authority in the professional setting been questioned.
 
Quite frankly? I don't even like the question...

The application process for becoming a doctor consists of many. Without this knowledge and the proper maturity, we would not; and could not retain all the information provided to us. If I became a doctor at 38 instead of my estimated time of 33, it still wouldn't bother me. Time is what it takes.

The local community college to become a paramedic recommends the following;

5-6 months (EMT-I) Intermediate
5-6 months off, getting experience
14 months (EMT-P) Paramedic
14 months off (if you wanted to be a flight medic.)

If you want to be a doctor, time isn't an issue. It's the idea of what your doing and how much time you are willing to put into it, for some it will take many more. You must accept that if you want this career path.
 
ImmunoLove said:
That certainly is a salient argument, but for many, the year or two spent gaining "maturity" actually colors and shapes the years which follow; therein lies the difference.
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I'm glad that my past couple of years of maturity and experience occurred before medical school. I've essentially lived another career and life before going into my desired career and life. Why wouldn't that be beneficial? Also, I have yet to meet/shadow a physician that said something as bogus as "I wish I had gotten out of med school at 26 instead of 28."
 
ImmunoLove said:
I'd suggest you carry yourself like the consummate professional you are-- this should suffice to quell the questioning of others. I also look younger than my stated age, and in my case, being 5ft1in also adds to the "youthfulness", and yet, not once has my authority in the professional setting been questioned.
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I do act as such actually, the majority of my peers have 10+ years on me. I started my profession with little to no healthcare experience, learned my trade, and have been prizes by my superiors on many occasions for my abilities. I just look younger than what I am, and work among people who are older than me, therefore my youth stands out.
 
TallPreMed said:
I do act as such actually, the majority of my peers have 10+ years on me. I started my profession with little to no healthcare experience, learned my trade, and have been prizes by my superiors on many occasions for my abilities. I just look younger than what I am, and work among people who are older than me, therefore my youth stands out.
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Well it sounds like you've got it all figured out-- and I personally think a little youth is good to have around! 🙂
 
ortnakas said:
This thread makes me feel old.

@fancymylotus -- could you give a quick rundown on how dental residencies work? I was under the impression most dentists were ready to practice after graduation from dental school but after reading this thread I think I'm mistaken.
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80% of dentists are general dentists, which are not required to complete a residency in the vast majority of states. NY, MD, and CA require a residency of a year in length, if I'm not mistaken, and there are a few other states that are tossing around the idea of requiring a one year residency to enter general practice.

For the other 20% of dentists, they specialize. Programs run between 3 and 6 years in length. Hospital-based programs typically pay you a stipend, while dental school-based programs charge tuition. Tuition can be incredibly expensive. General practice residencies almost always pay you.

Here's an old thread on how pay, tuition, and funding works in dental GME: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/the-reason-for-the-tuition-for-dental-residencies.664071/

So, basically most dentists don't have to complete a residency, but those that are in one of the GPR states have to do a year. Those that specialize often have to pay to do so, unless they are at a hospital-based program (Mayo has a few of these in many of the specialties, I believe), in which case they'll get a stipend. So dentistry is a 4-10 year post-Bachelor's path, compared to medicine's 7-11 year (plus fellowships!) path. The vast majority of physicians take 7-8 years to finish, while the vast majority of dentists take 4-5.
 
allantois said:
Calm down, these forums are not closed off to students from other professions.
Sharing of different perspectives has never been a bad thing.
As to why you don't go posting in the dental forum: well, I don't think you have much substance to contribute there... or here.
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Shots fired lol.
 
@fancymylotus to be fair as an outside party reading this thread I did not feel as though @Mad Jack was arguing. He actually came across as conversational. Looked to me like he was simply using an example to get his point across. That being said, I do not know your history so I may be wrong.
 
DeterminedIrony said:
@fancymylotus to be fair as an outside party reading this thread I did not feel as though @Mad Jack was arguing. He actually came across as conversational. Looked to me like he was simply using an example to get his point across. That being said, I do not know your history so I may be wrong.
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MJ and I are acquaintances outside of SDN and I have a terrible temper so I tend to view everything as an argument 🙂
 
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