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[bigloley]

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Hi everyone, this is my first post🙂

My story: I graduated from CU Boulder with a BA in French, **overall GPA of 2.84.
I have since gone back to school, and begun taking all the prereqs. It has been three semesters with a current **science GPA of 4.0.

I am on track to finish a BS in biology in about one year, or it may be possible to begin a masters program in biology (which obviously would take longer than finishing a BS). I am really lacking in volunteer experience. I am a registered EMT, but have never actually worked as one (no job opportunities🙁 I currently "work" as a lab assistant at the CU medical school (it's more like volunteering, really). I have never taken the MCAT, because I have not finished the prereqs, and really do not feel ready yet. I anticipate taking some sort Kaplan class.

I am definitely planning on getting some real hands-on experience, but other than that area lacking, what do you all think about my grades situation? Wouldn't it be great if you could just erase a degree?! Would it matter if I retook the writing courses that I got B's in? (Because my 'core' classes from my first degree are being transferred for credit to my current college, and I am basically only taking math and science classes).

One last uh-oh: In my first degree, I got two D's (gross, I know) in stupid geology and the lab. Does this count as my "science" GPA?

I appreciate your guys' advice and opinions! I would love to hear from people in a similar situation. What are everyone's plans to 'fix' that bad first GPA? 😀

Geology is classified as a natural/physical science so it is not counted in your BCMP science GPA. Don't waste time retaking non BCMP courses you got a B in.

Make sure you ace you MCAT, study hard and devote months of attention to it. For all of us low GPA people, the MCAT is the great equalizer and provides a great opportunity to show that we have matured, etc. Also, like you said, just try and get more volunteer/clinical experience

Good luck

 

[Ducky8989]

anyone?

 

[Ducky8989]

Hi, I have just recently decided that I want to pursue a career in medicine. I am graduating this June from a top tier school (not ivy though) with a 3.1 overall undergrad GPA and a BA in liberal arts. I think I could have done better but I fell out of love with writing and with my major and lost a lot of motivation. I have not taken any science courses at all in undergrad and am waiting to hear back from several postbac programs.

Science was not my strongest subject in high school, and I am not realistically sure that I can get a 4.0 gpa in a science program... but I think realistically my postbac GPA could fall in the 3.5-3.6 range.

Would this, along with a decent MCAT score be enough to get in to medical school? I am not opposed to DO in fact I see it as a desirable option. I am also not opposed to going the FMG route, although it's obviously not preferable. I really feel certain right now that I want to become a doctor, but if even after working my ass off for 2-3 years in a postbac my chances are slim to none I would rather dodge the bullet and save some money.

anyone??

 

[smiley27]

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[Kaustikos]

Hi, I have just recently decided that I want to pursue a career in medicine. I am graduating this June from a top tier school (not ivy though) with a 3.1 overall undergrad GPA and a BA in liberal arts. I think I could have done better but I fell out of love with writing and with my major and lost a lot of motivation. I have not taken any science courses at all in undergrad and am waiting to hear back from several postbac programs.

Science was not my strongest subject in high school, and I am not realistically sure that I can get a 4.0 gpa in a science program... but I think realistically my postbac GPA could fall in the 3.5-3.6 range.

Would this, along with a decent MCAT score be enough to get in to medical school? I am not opposed to DO in fact I see it as a desirable option. I am also not opposed to going the FMG route, although it's obviously not preferable. I really feel certain right now that I want to become a doctor, but if even after working my ass off for 2-3 years in a postbac my chances are slim to none I would rather dodge the bullet and save some money.

Hope for the best, expect the worst. I say this in regard to your gpa/science courses you're going to take. You realistically expect a 3.6, but shoot for the highest. 👍 The amount of time/effort you put in will definitely be a huge factor into whether or not you get a 4.0. Regardless, a 3.6 gpa in post-bacc could help. The thing you're trying to do at this point is give a strong contrast to your undergrad gpa, so the higher the better. 👍

The killer is going to be your MCAT at this point - I don't know what you mean by a decent MCAT. From my experience, that would be 29+ with a good distribution (9,9,10 and not 12,5,12). I'd shoot for a 29, as that would be competitive enough for DO and MD schools.


Applying to DO is an excellent choice and I wouldn't hesitate in putting those schools on your list for whenever you apply.

 

[PTO]

I am currently a college senior who is majoring in psych and will have a 3.5 GPA at graduation. I took some science and math at my CC during my first two years for requirements and got a c in stats, c in pre calc, c in physics and a in Bio. Since then I've taken a stats class and got an a. Should I retake these classes before a post bacc program? I'm interviewing for a shadowingspot wednesday but my GPA worries me for Med school and even postbacc acceptance. Thanks.

 

[Kaustikos]

I am currently a college senior who is majoring in psych and will have a 3.5 GPA at graduation. I took some science and math at my CC during my first two years for requirements and got a c in stats, c in pre calc, c in physics and a in Bio. Since then I've taken a stats class and got an a. Should I retake these classes before a post bacc program? I'm interviewing for a shadowingspot wednesday but my GPA worries me for Med school and even postbacc acceptance. Thanks.

Nah, your gpa isn't bad at all for post-bacc and I wouldn't necesarily retake those courses. I'd do a post-bacc with some solid science courses to get that GPA up. The only reason I'd retake physics is for the MCAT, but that's just me. Otherwise, you'll have to take some other science courses for pre-reqs that should probably outweigh those bad grades heavily and help you out in the end. The gpa is a tad low for Med School, but a good post-bacc would definitely help out.

 

[PTO]

Nah, your gpa isn't bad at all for post-bacc and I wouldn't necesarily retake those courses. I'd do a post-bacc with some solid science courses to get that GPA up. The only reason I'd retake physics is for the MCAT, but that's just me. Otherwise, you'll have to take some other science courses for pre-reqs that should probably outweigh those bad grades heavily and help you out in the end. The gpa is a tad low for Med School, but a good post-bacc would definitely help out.

Though this may not be something you can answer, are the higher end post baccs within my reach such as bryn Mawr or jhu?

 

[Kaustikos]

Though this may not be something you can answer, are the higher end post baccs within my reach such as bryn Mawr or jhu?

Difficult to say at this point. Your gpa seems fine but it's really looking like a pre-medical school application. What kind of volunteer/work activities have you done? The application seems daunting but you could have lots of activities that will really help. And they also require LOR's which can help, too. I can't say for certain...I'd rather someone else who's done the program chime in and offer insight.

 

[PTO]

Difficult to say at this point. Your gpa seems fine but it's really looking like a pre-medical school application. What kind of volunteer/work activities have you done? The application seems daunting but you could have lots of activities that will really help. And they also require LOR's which can help, too. I can't say for certain...I'd rather someone else who's done the program chime in and offer insight.

I'm going to start an internship this summer continuing throughout the year, as I'm taking it off, so that will be my experience. I will have good lor from professors, a very good one from one that is a pharmacologist.

 

[Ducky8989]

Hope for the best, expect the worst. I say this in regard to your gpa/science courses you're going to take. You realistically expect a 3.6, but shoot for the highest. 👍 The amount of time/effort you put in will definitely be a huge factor into whether or not you get a 4.0. Regardless, a 3.6 gpa in post-bacc could help. The thing you're trying to do at this point is give a strong contrast to your undergrad gpa, so the higher the better. 👍

The killer is going to be your MCAT at this point - I don't know what you mean by a decent MCAT. From my experience, that would be 29+ with a good distribution (9,9,10 and not 12,5,12). I'd shoot for a 29, as that would be competitive enough for DO and MD schools.


Applying to DO is an excellent choice and I wouldn't hesitate in putting those schools on your list for whenever you apply.

Thank you!!

 

[lapluieetmoi]

Good for you man! Right on! Don't let go of the dream!

 

[lapluieetmoi]

Duke University 1997
Classical Studies/Chemistry
2.07 BCPM(several F's), 2.56 total
graduated 1141/1191
😡

Worked temp jobs for a year. Finally got job as a organic chemistry research tech.

23 hours sci cont. ed. at Duke for ~3.5 (combination of grad courses and undergrad; 3.68 for last four courses)

Changed jobs and started synthesizing PET tracers (radiopharmaceuticals) at Duke Med Center.
MCAT in 2000: 12V,13P,12B,Q
2 interviews, 1 waitlist in 2002
🙁

Now in MA Medical Science at BU. Doing neuropharmacology research thesis.
3.75 GPA 👍
applying for Fall 2005. Retaking MCAT this August (expired).


Oh, yeah, and I turn 30 this summer.

Good for you man! Right on! Don't give up on the dream!

 

[RumbaToMD]

Hello!

I was hoping that I could get some advice from people on this thread. I'm currently working in the social work field with the HIV population in a clinical setting but want to transition into a new career as a MD. I did the general pre-med pre-requisites as an undergrad, majored in psychology and minored in neuroscience. I attended a community college for 2 years in which I received a D in Calculus due to health issues (I was out for surgery) but retook it and got a B+. I transferred to a university to finish off my undergrad career. In addition, I have research experience, volunteered at several hospitals and as an interpreter at a community health clinic.
cGPA: 3.37
sGPA: 3.16
I have yet to take my MCATS
Is a post-bac right for me? If I take independent courses at a local college -will that be counted into my GPA? Any other advice to strengthen my resume?

Thanks guys!

 

[RumbaToMD]

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[RumbaToMD]

I forgot to mention that I am Latina (central american)-not sure if that makes a difference

Hello!

I was hoping that I could get some advice from people on this thread. I'm currently working in the social work field with the HIV population in a clinical setting but want to transition into a new career as a MD. I did the general pre-med pre-requisites as an undergrad, majored in psychology and minored in neuroscience. I attended a community college for 2 years in which I received a D in Calculus due to health issues (I was out for surgery) but retook it and got a B+. I transferred to a university to finish off my undergrad career. In addition, I have research experience, volunteered at several hospitals and as an interpreter at a community health clinic.
cGPA: 3.37
sGPA: 3.16
I have yet to take my MCATS
Is a post-bac right for me? If I take independent courses at a local college -will that be counted into my GPA? Any other advice to strengthen my resume?

Thanks guys!

 

[bdvz]

Are D.O. SMPs generally good for allopathic med schools as well? I'm thinking about the master's degree in biomedical sciences at Midwestern U in AZ. Would this degree be useful in getting into allopathic med schools as well as D.O. schools? Thanks.

 

[jslo85]

Broadly speaking, no. Attend an allopathic SMP if you wish to have worthwhile consideration for both allopathic and osteopathic medical school. Attend an osteopathic SMP for a strong linkage (again generally speaking) to that same school and higher consideration from other osteopathic schools

 

[drizzt3117]

Though this may not be something you can answer, are the higher end post baccs within my reach such as bryn Mawr or jhu?

You've probably taken too much science for those programs.

 

[PTO]

You've probably taken too much science for those programs.

Really? Just two introductory classes?

 

[DrNunes]

Hey 😳

So I have been looking for some information but have yet to find answers. I have a non-trad educational history sort to speak. Started out as a nursing major... found it wasn't for me then finished with a BA is sociology in 3 years total for undergrad. Now completing my prereqs for med school.
MD sgpa 3.0
DO sgpa 3.3.
And my non science gpa is about 3.4.

ECs

Med related
- Caregiver 1 year (at nursing home)
- CNA 3 years (orthopedic floor, but floated around entire hospital)
- Shadow DO this summer 😉

Hobbies
-Equestrian riding (almost my entire life)
- Equestrian assisted therapy volunteer 50+ (and counting) hours
-Homeless shelter volunteer 100+ hours

No research 🙁 besides the piddly stuff done in class

I know my gpa is low... I am taking the berkeley review course this summer and the MCAT in August

I am looking for a smp or regular masters program that I would be gpa competitive with. Would like to stay in Cali but if I have to move well then I'm all up for it.

Thanks!

 

[DrNunes]

Really? Just two introductory classes?

Hey PTO

So I looked into getting into a post-bac, before deciding to go a different path for numerous reasons. But what I found is that post-bac programs ideally would have candidates enter with fewer than 2 prereqs completed. You can check out their website on the Q and A section, they normally have that covered there. But you can also call them up and ask.

 

[Kaustikos]

Hey 😳
So I have been looking for some information but have yet to find answers. I have a non-trad educational history sort to speak. Started out as a nursing major... found it wasn't for me then finished with a BA is sociology in 3 years total for undergrad. Now completing my prereqs for med school.
MD sgpa 3.0
DO sgpa 3.3.
And my non science gpa is about 3.4.
ECs
Med related
- Caregiver 1 year (at nursing home)
- CNA 3 years (orthopedic floor, but floated around entire hospital)
- Shadow DO this summer 😉
Hobbies
-Equestrian riding (almost my entire life)
- Equestrian assisted therapy volunteer 50+ (and counting) hours
-Homeless shelter volunteer 100+ hours
No research 🙁 besides the piddly stuff done in class

I know my gpa is low... I am taking the berkeley review course this summer and the MCAT in August

I am looking for a smp or regular masters program that I would be gpa competitive with. Would like to stay in Cali but if I have to move well then I'm all up for it.

Thanks!

Firstly, no research experience is not a bad thing if you've got a strong background/work/EC in a clinical setting, so don't frown just yet. Research experience is good to have, but it doesn't hurt you if you don't have any experience under your belt unless you plan on continously pursuing research in your training/residency/etc. So, don't worry about that for now.

Secondly, I'd strongly consider an SMP program (any) over just a masters. Your low gpa means you're at a strong disadvantage and a masters program wouldn't help that much. Read up on here about what SMP is right for you. In this situation, a category 1 SMP is great and you're honestly going to have to realize that if you want to pursue Med School, you'll have to look outside of Cali for an SMP. The link provides all the information about the SMP's you should be looking at. It's your call, though, because you're going tobemoving out of Cali to do an SMP and it's definitely beneficial for someone in your circumstance.

Hello!

I was hoping that I could get some advice from people on this thread. I'm currently working in the social work field with the HIV population in a clinical setting but want to transition into a new career as a MD. I did the general pre-med pre-requisites as an undergrad, majored in psychology and minored in neuroscience. I attended a community college for 2 years in which I received a D in Calculus due to health issues (I was out for surgery) but retook it and got a B+. I transferred to a university to finish off my undergrad career. In addition, I have research experience, volunteered at several hospitals and as an interpreter at a community health clinic.
cGPA: 3.37
sGPA: 3.16
I have yet to take my MCATS
Is a post-bac right for me? If I take independent courses at a local college -will that be counted into my GPA? Any other advice to strengthen my resume?

Thanks guys!

No, unfortunately, a post-bacc wouldn't help in your situation. You need to consider an SMP in your situation. I'd need more info on your clinical/research exprience (length/duration) to say just how well you stand in that regard. But right now, you need to focus on
A) MCAT - You're delaying the opportunity to take the MCAT the longer you post-pone taking it. You want to ideally take it before you do your SMP so you have that out of the way and can apply either a) during the SMP year or b) right after you're done with the SMP
B) GPA - I don't know when you plan on applying for an SMP, but if it's for this coming year, you need to do an SMP and not a post-bacc. Get your MCAT out of the way, first, imo, because it's a lot less stressful getting the MCAT out of the way now instead of waiting. That and it'll help get you into SMPs. Actually, you need an MCAT before doing an SMP (Certain ones). Hope that helps.

 

[PTO]

Hey PTO

So I looked into getting into a post-bac, before deciding to go a different path for numerous reasons. But what I found is that post-bac programs ideally would have candidates enter with fewer than 2 prereqs completed. You can check out their website on the Q and A section, they normally have that covered there. But you can also call them up and ask.

I have contacted the NYU program, they said that I would have to retake them there which is something I assumed anyway. I'll try and contact some other programs, thanks!

 

[SouthParkMD]

Hi,

Im in a pretty bad situation. Ive finished 3 years of undergrad with a $hitty GPA of 2.66 and I don't even go to a big name school, its just some rural crappy college.

1st year: 2.3/3.0 (first/second sem)
2nd year: 2.8/2.5
3rd year: 2.6/2.25

So besides the fact that im stupid and that i screwed up real bad, what can I do (if anything) at this point to rectify this? I am conflicted between going for a two-year post-bac vs. a two-year MSc. I am really interested in doing research for a while and thought the MSc would help but would subjecting myself to a post-bac program be better? Its embarrassing but at this point I don't have the luxury of not caring.

Have any of you with low GPAs felt like absolute crap for it? I always thought that I was somewhat intelligent but my track record shows otherwise. I know I shouldn't feel like a stupid failure but I can't help myself. Whenever I think of how badly I screwed up I just start beating myself up for it. How did you guys get past these negative feelings and keep moving forward? How did you keep going?

EDIT: Congratulations to everyone on here who turned things around. I know it wasn't easy and it took a lot of balls to keep going. Its inspirational and comforting to know that im not the only one who screwed up at first and then found success.

 

[SouthParkMD]

Hey guys,

I feel for you although my GPA is only so-so (3.33) 😀. I'm waitlisted at my top-choice school now, reapplying this summer, taking MCATs again. Next semester, it's post-bacc time!

Now here's a funny thing about the Square Root Club that I heard about from a birdie at Cornell.

You can only be in the club if the square root of your GPA is greater than your GPA

😀. Have fun figuring that out! 😀

Sorry for the double post, but then your GPA would have to be less than a 1.0….at which point I would look into jobs at McD's rather than med school…..

 

[Dogcat1290]

Hi,

Im in a pretty bad situation. Ive finished 3 years of undergrad with a $hitty GPA of 2.66 and I don't even go to a big name school, its just some rural crappy college.

1st year: 2.3/3.0 (first/second sem)
2nd year: 2.8/2.5
3rd year: 2.6/2.25

So besides the fact that im stupid and that i screwed up real bad, what can I do (if anything) at this point to rectify this? I am conflicted between going for a two-year post-bac vs. a two-year MSc. I am really interested in doing research for a while and thought the MSc would help but would subjecting myself to a post-bac program be better? Its embarrassing but at this point I don't have the luxury of not caring.

Have any of you with low GPAs felt like absolute crap for it? I always thought that I was somewhat intelligent but my track record shows otherwise. I know I shouldn't feel like a stupid failure but I can't help myself. Whenever I think of how badly I screwed up I just start beating myself up for it. How did you guys get past these negative feelings and keep moving forward? How did you keep going?

EDIT: Congratulations to everyone on here who turned things around. I know it wasn't easy and it took a lot of balls to keep going. Its inspirational and comforting to know that im not the only one who screwed up at first and then found success.

I am glad that I read your post. I am in the same boat as you, I just got back some of my grades for this semester (2nd yr) and I'm kicking myself for my mistakes (missed one quiz that could of given me a B and didn't ask my teacher to clarify about an assignment and didn't do as well as I wanted to ). So far I have two Cs and possibly a A in one class (easy A). I'm keeping my fingers cross for my last grade, but I feel like ****. Honestly whats keeping me going is my current job (work at a supermarket) and I cannot in my whole entire being ever want to be stuck working there or anywhere else I hate for the rest of my life. We might be down, but where far from being out 😉..

 

[rhulett]

Good Evening All My Fellow SDN'ers!

So I want to give you all my situation and I would love if you could provide me with some advice and criticism.

I come from a disadvantaged background (Mexican American) and I am the first person in my entire family to have attended and graduated from college. I transferred from a community college to UC Berkeley where I majored in Molecular Environmental Biology. At my CC I was a member of the American Medical Student Association and tutored for Organic Chemistry. At Cal I joined the Biology Scholars Program (program for underrepresented minorities) and also joined a fraternity. I have worked jobs for the state of California all throughout my academic career.

After everything is said and done:
Overall GPA- 3.09
BCPM GPA- 2.92
Extras: AMSA, BSP, Tutoring, Volunteering at an Elderly home

It has been a year since I graduated and I am now more determined than ever to make myself a competitive candidate for medical school and eventually an excellent doctor.

I know I need more volunteer experience and need help on my GPA. I am taking some community college classes now (A&P since I've never taken it as well as Calculus since it's been over 4 years and I am completely rusty)

I was hoping I could get some advice on what I should pursue:
-Postbacc
-SMP
-anything else to make me competitive

Thanks a bunch!

 

[LaughingGas]

Hi,

Im in a pretty bad situation. Ive finished 3 years of undergrad with a $hitty GPA of 2.66 and I don't even go to a big name school, its just some rural crappy college.

1st year: 2.3/3.0 (first/second sem)
2nd year: 2.8/2.5
3rd year: 2.6/2.25

So besides the fact that im stupid and that i screwed up real bad, what can I do (if anything) at this point to rectify this? I am conflicted between going for a two-year post-bac vs. a two-year MSc. I am really interested in doing research for a while and thought the MSc would help but would subjecting myself to a post-bac program be better? Its embarrassing but at this point I don't have the luxury of not caring.

Have any of you with low GPAs felt like absolute crap for it? I always thought that I was somewhat intelligent but my track record shows otherwise. I know I shouldn't feel like a stupid failure but I can't help myself. Whenever I think of how badly I screwed up I just start beating myself up for it. How did you guys get past these negative feelings and keep moving forward? How did you keep going?

EDIT: Congratulations to everyone on here who turned things around. I know it wasn't easy and it took a lot of balls to keep going. Its inspirational and comforting to know that im not the only one who screwed up at first and then found success.

My opinion is that maybe you should take a break from school. You need to take time what you are really doing wrong and set plans and right mindsets.
As far as the research goes, I'm not sure which track you are looking for (Med, denta, pharm), but what I can tell you is at this point there is no point of doing it. Adcoms will look at your application once you have the minimal GPA. Your best option is to take additional undergrad BCPM courses and bring both ogpa and sgpa over 3.0. Then take MCAT, really try to get above 35 and then apply SMP. so you are looking for 3~4 years of additional work from this point. Think really hard if you are willing to sacrifice those times for your future. Research has way less priority than GPA/MCAT(or DAT/PAT/OAT,etc). Two candidates with similar gpa, similar mcat score and similar volunteer work, but one has research exp, other one doesnt, then thats when it would matter to have research.
One more thing, if you are going to apply for postbac, this remaining year I suggest you to get almost 4.0 even if it means having no social life and no senioritis. With your gpa is going to be really hard to even get in to formal postbacs, unlesss you do informal postbac on your own. Also for formal postbac you would need a high MCAT if you have a low gpa.
goodluck

 

[SouthParkMD]

I am glad that I read your post. I am in the same boat as you, I just got back some of my grades for this semester (2nd yr) and I'm kicking myself for my mistakes (missed one quiz that could of given me a B and didn't ask my teacher to clarify about an assignment and didn't do as well as I wanted to ). So far I have two Cs and possibly a A in one class (easy A). I'm keeping my fingers cross for my last grade, but I feel like ****. Honestly whats keeping me going is my current job (work at a supermarket) and I cannot in my whole entire being ever want to be stuck working there or anywhere else I hate for the rest of my life. We might be down, but where far from being out 😉..

Very well said. Unfortunately I don't have a job or a salary. I wish I did, but I just rely on my parents for money at the moment. Its just so hard looking back at the past three years knowing that I could have been in a much better position if I wasn't lazy or actually did work instead of being afraid of failure and not acting.

My opinion is that maybe you should take a break from school. You need to take time what you are really doing wrong and set plans and right mindsets.
As far as the research goes, I'm not sure which track you are looking for (Med, denta, pharm), but what I can tell you is at this point there is no point of doing it. Adcoms will look at your application once you have the minimal GPA. Your best option is to take additional undergrad BCPM courses and bring both ogpa and sgpa over 3.0. Then take MCAT, really try to get above 35 and then apply SMP. so you are looking for 3~4 years of additional work from this point. Think really hard if you are willing to sacrifice those times for your future. Research has way less priority than GPA/MCAT(or DAT/PAT/OAT,etc). Two candidates with similar gpa, similar mcat score and similar volunteer work, but one has research exp, other one doesnt, then thats when it would matter to have research.
One more thing, if you are going to apply for postbac, this remaining year I suggest you to get almost 4.0 even if it means having no social life and no senioritis. With your gpa is going to be really hard to even get in to formal postbacs, unlesss you do informal postbac on your own. Also for formal postbac you would need a high MCAT if you have a low gpa.
goodluck

Unfortunately taking time off from school just isn't possible for me right now logistically and financially. My cGPA is actually a 2.71 instead of a 2.66 (They apparently calculated it wrong and updated it - yea my uni sucks that much). That's still not much better, but if I can ace my senior year, then my cGPA will be 3.0 exact. At this point, would it be better for me to go SMP or formal post-bac assuming I have a competitive MCAT? Also is going for a masters degree really a waste of time (I really want to do research in cancer immunology or HIV research)?

 

[Kaustikos]

Very well said. Unfortunately I don't have a job or a salary. I wish I did, but I just rely on my parents for money at the moment. Its just so hard looking back at the past three years knowing that I could have been in a much better position if I wasn't lazy or actually did work instead of being afraid of failure and not acting.

Unfortunately taking time off from school just isn't possible for me right now logistically and financially. My cGPA is actually a 2.71 instead of a 2.66 (They apparently calculated it wrong and updated it - yea my uni sucks that much). That's still not much better, but if I can ace my senior year, then my cGPA will be 3.0 exact. At this point, would it be better for me to go SMP or formal post-bac assuming I have a competitive MCAT? Also is going for a masters degree really a waste of time (I really want to do research in cancer immunology or HIV research)?

Taking a break isn't impossible and it can help. I took a break in my Junior year and it definitely helped prioritize/motivate me. So don't say that it's not feasible. If the reason for your current status is laziness then you either need to kick it into gear or take some time off to evaluate your sitaution.

If you can get a 3.0, then apply to both post-baccs and SMPs. If you can get into an SMP, definitely do a TRUE SMP and show what you're made of. If not and get into a post-bacc, then use that to improve your gpa. Meanwhile, focus on your MCAT and get that out of the way before startnig your SMP/applying to med school.

Option A -
Get into SMP - take MCAT before if you can and apply next year

Option B -
Get into post bacc, but not SMP - study for MCAT while in post-bacc and take it before next summer. reapply for SMP next year and finish SMP.

 

[LaughingGas]

Very well said. Unfortunately I don't have a job or a salary. I wish I did, but I just rely on my parents for money at the moment. Its just so hard looking back at the past three years knowing that I could have been in a much better position if I wasn't lazy or actually did work instead of being afraid of failure and not acting.
Unfortunately taking time off from school just isn't possible for me right now logistically and financially. My cGPA is actually a 2.71 instead of a 2.66 (They apparently calculated it wrong and updated it - yea my uni sucks that much). That's still not much better, but if I can ace my senior year, then my cGPA will be 3.0 exact. At this point, would it be better for me to go SMP or formal post-bac assuming I have a competitive MCAT? Also is going for a masters degree really a waste of time (I really want to do research in cancer immunology or HIV research)?

Depends what is your major, 2) how much can you increase your GPA if you had 4.0 (or >3.7 reallistically) for the next 1 or 2 years. If the change is minimal its best to study for mcat this year, get a really good score with mcat and apply to SMPs.
If the change is significant, (3.0 -> 3.3 or higher) i would recommend postbac.
Reason is once you step in SMP path, you are taking graduate level bio courses which some of them are med school equivalent. If you do bad on it (something less than 3.2), your chance to be in most of health professional school is over. By doing bad on SMP you are 1) not showing you can handle rigor of grad level course 2) can't go back to take undergrad level course to beef up your GPA.
If you choose to do :
a) Postbac path: GET 4.0 no matter what on your senior year, apply to postbac, get in , maintain 4.0 during postbac, meanwhile study for MCAT, get good score for mcat , apply to med school and SMPs when you r done with postbac.
b) Get 4.0 during senior year, study for mcat also, get a mcat score before june, apply to SMP, do well and following year apply to med school.
Goodluck

 

[UTman7777]

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[Kaustikos]

I am currently doing Post-Bacc work at a reputable 4 year university.
I have 31 hours and have a 4.00 GPA
I have taken: Gen Chem II, Bio II, Ochem I, and OChem II and other upper division biology courses.

I took some medical terminology classes at a community college and have 9 hours there with a GPA of 4.00

So my Total Post Bacc is 40 hours @ 4.00

and this puts my cumulative GPA at a 3.09

I have 400 hours Shadowing in the ER and 75 hours volunteering at a Hospice. I am also certified as an EMT-B

I just took the MCAT and got a 11-Verbal 9- Biology and 9- Physical Sciences with a total score of 29R

I am only looking at MD schools in Texas and I am a Texas resident. I have chosen not to look at DO schools because of different philosophical POV and my discussions with DO doctors at the ER about options coming out of DO schools with regard to specialities. I am still applying to the DO school.

I was wondering what my chances are and I appreciate the honest input.

Also I am thinking about taking the MCAT again on June 16th. Any thought on this as well???

Thanks =)

You'll still need an SMP to really set yourself apart from the other people with 3.0 gpas. I would only retake the MCAT if I was certain I could get a 32+ on it, but would otherwise focus on getting into an SMP.

Also, you aren't necessarily limiting yourself with DO schools 🙄. The best DO schools have excellent options for residency/placement, so don't listen to ER physicians and develop this attitude that DO isn't medicine. Their philosophy is 99% identical to Allopathic medical schools, so don't believe what they're telling you. The only issue with DO schools is the clinical rotations aspect of the schools, which you can decipher by just looking at the threads/forums on here.

But my final opinion - do an SMP, retake the MCAT if you can confidently say a 32+ is feasible and apply MD/DO.

 

[UTman7777]

You'll still need an SMP to really set yourself apart from the other people with 3.0 gpas. I would only retake the MCAT if I was certain I could get a 32+ on it, but would otherwise focus on getting into an SMP.

Also, you aren't necessarily limiting yourself with DO schools 🙄. The best DO schools have excellent options for residency/placement, so don't listen to ER physicians and develop this attitude that DO isn't medicine. Their philosophy is 99% identical to Allopathic medical schools, so don't believe what they're telling you. The only issue with DO schools is the clinical rotations aspect of the schools, which you can decipher by just looking at the threads/forums on here.

But my final opinion - do an SMP, retake the MCAT if you can confidently say a 32+ is feasible and apply MD/DO.

The ER physicians I talked to are DO that is why I tend to trust their judgement. They told me if I know I want to go into primary care then DO is fine but they state that an MD program gives you the best opportunity for placement into the more competitive specialities.

Also I am retaking the MCAT in 6 weeks. on June 16th. I feel like this is enough time to at least push me over to a 31. Thoughts?

Also regarding the SMP, I have shown a 4.0 with tough pre-req classes and have done it over 31 credits. I feel like this proves what type of student I am now. Also in Texas I heard that an SMP is not as needed as outside the state. Thoughts on this as well?

Thanks for the input!

 

[bigloley]

The ER physicians I talked to are DO that is why I tend to trust their judgement. They told me if I know I want to go into primary care then DO is fine but they state that an MD program gives you the best opportunity for placement into the more competitive specialities.

Also I am retaking the MCAT in 6 weeks. on June 16th. I feel like this is enough time to at least push me over to a 31. Thoughts?

Also regarding the SMP, I have shown a 4.0 with tough pre-req classes and have done it over 31 credits. I feel like this proves what type of student I am now. Also in Texas I heard that an SMP is not as needed as outside the state. Thoughts on this as well?

Thanks for the input!

Even though your postbacc GPA is great, your cumulative GPA is well below average and even your current MCAT is below average for an MD school. An SMP would help you greatly but it is also very risky. My suggestion would be to retake the MCAT when you are ready and try to get a 34+. Having an above average MCAT will help you greatly, especially with your low GPA.

I would tell you to spend the ENTIRE summer studying for the MCAT and then take a full load (32 credits) of some more postbacc classes during the 2011-2012 academic year. Take all the upper level chemistry and biology classes you can. If you continue with shadowing, volunteering and get some research your ECs will be well above average. If you get your MCAT down and get a 34+ (hopefully a 36 or above) and your cum GPA can get up to a 3.25-3.3 with the lat 60 credits being A's you will be a competitive applicant. Apply also to high linkage SMP's such as EVMS or U of Cinci during the year in case things don't work out.

Get your AMCAS done early and have your primaries sent out the first day for the 2012 AMCAS.

If you apply this year I don't believe you have a good shot. Remember that getting into medical school is not a sprint but a marathon. If you really want to do it, especially when your GPA isn't competitive, you have to be willing to put in the time to do the necessary damage control.

 

[UTman7777]

Even though your postbacc GPA is great, your cumulative GPA is well below average and even your current MCAT is below average for an MD school. An SMP would help you greatly but it is also very risky. My suggestion would be to retake the MCAT when you are ready and try to get a 34+. Having an above average MCAT will help you greatly, especially with your low GPA.

I would tell you to spend the ENTIRE summer studying for the MCAT and then take a full load (32 credits) of some more postbacc classes during the 2011-2012 academic year. Take all the upper level chemistry and biology classes you can. If you continue with shadowing, volunteering and get some research your ECs will be well above average. If you get your MCAT down and get a 34+ (hopefully a 36 or above) and your cum GPA can get up to a 3.25-3.3 with the lat 60 credits being A's you will be a competitive applicant. Apply also to high linkage SMP's such as EVMS or U of Cinci during the year in case things don't work out.

Get your AMCAS done early and have your primaries sent out the first day for the 2012 AMCAS.

If you apply this year I don't believe you have a good shot. Remember that getting into medical school is not a sprint but a marathon. If you really want to do it, especially when your GPA isn't competitive, you have to be willing to put in the time to do the necessary damage control.

Since I am a TX resident I am pretty sure my best shot is to apply in Texas. I am thinking about taking the test in 6 weeks. Do you think that is enough time to raise it above a 30. I feel above a 30 will give me a good shot of matriculating into med school in Tx. Am I correct in my assumption?

 

[bigloley]

Below is a list of Texas MD schools with median cGPA, sGPA and MCAT scores. The lowest MCAT is a 29 for Texas A&M and a 3.58 cGPA from U Texas at San Antonio.

According those stats you still don't have a good shot at Texas schools - you have to ask "why would they choose you, even with your postbacc credits, over someone who was done consistently well for 4 years". If you don't have a good answer to that, you need more work.


Baylor College of Medicine
TX
3.85
3.84
11.7Q

Texas A&M Uni. System HSC Col. of Medicine
TX
3.72
3.66
9.7O

Texas Tech Univ. Hlth. Sci. Ctr. Sch. of Medicine
TX
3.66
3.55
10P

University of Texas - Southwestern
TX
3.83
3.8
11.3Q

University of Texas Medical School at Galveston
TX
3.79
3.76
10P

University of Texas Medical School at Houston
TX
Y
3.71
3.66
10P

University of Texas Medical School at San Antonio
TX
3.58
3.47
10P

Since I am a TX resident I am pretty sure my best shot is to apply in Texas. I am thinking about taking the test in 6 weeks. Do you think that is enough time to raise it above a 30. I feel above a 30 will give me a good shot of matriculating into med school in Tx. Am I correct in my assumption?

 

[UTman7777]

Do you think they will ever look at my science GPA without my engineering classes or will they not even think about?

 

[Dogcat1290]

Taking a break isn't impossible and it can help. I took a break in my Junior year and it definitely helped prioritize/motivate me. So don't say that it's not feasible. If the reason for your current status is laziness then you either need to kick it into gear or take some time off to evaluate your sitaution.

If you can get a 3.0, then apply to both post-baccs and SMPs. If you can get into an SMP, definitely do a TRUE SMP and show what you're made of. If not and get into a post-bacc, then use that to improve your gpa. Meanwhile, focus on your MCAT and get that out of the way before startnig your SMP/applying to med school.

Option A -
Get into SMP - take MCAT before if you can and apply next year

Option B -
Get into post bacc, but not SMP - study for MCAT while in post-bacc and take it before next summer. reapply for SMP next year and finish SMP.

Question: Can anyone do post-bacc? I am working to get into veterinary medicine, so is post-bacc an option for me or is it really more for students going into med school??? I didn't realize they had these programs, so I kind of want to keep my options open to see my next course of action 😀

 

[deleted248403]

Question: Can anyone do post-bacc? I am working to get into veterinary medicine, so is post-bacc an option for me or is it really more for students going into med school??? I didn't realize they had these programs, so I kind of want to keep my options open to see my next course of action 😀

Anyone can do them for the most part. Some programs might have specific requirements but I think you should be ok for most.

 

[Enzyme1]

Hi,

I just got accepted to a good Postbac program east-coast, so I'm pretty excited, but one thing is inhibiting me and making me fearful: my undergrad gpa. The postbac is for career-changers, that is, those who have 0 science classes and are now starting anew, but is my undergrad cumulative gpa (around 3.1) going to be equally averaged with my postbac gpa? If that is the case then I'm getting very daunted as I have high hopes for Dartmouth or Harvard..will undergrad gpa be weighed equally? I am very disparaged now..in fact, I feel deprecated.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

Hi,

I just got accepted to a good Postbac program east-coast, so I'm pretty excited, but one thing is inhibiting me and making me fearful: my undergrad gpa. The postbac is for career-changers, that is, those who have 0 science classes and are now starting anew, but is my undergrad cumulative gpa (around 3.1) going to be equally averaged with my postbac gpa? If that is the case then I'm getting very daunted as I have high hopes for Dartmouth or Harvard..will undergrad gpa be weighed equally? I am very disparaged now..in fact, I feel deprecated.

the fact that you feel so "deprecated" based on your completely unrealistic aspirations to two very specific (and quite different) schools, the only commonality between them being their ivy affiliation, makes me have serious doubts about you.

 

[Enzyme1]

I am just aiming high and have high aspirations to attend an Ivy league since I've always wanted to. I know it is very competitive but I don't see anything wrong with my ambition, and I know I must keep options open but at least I can have my goals.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

I am just aiming high and have high aspirations to attend an Ivy league since I've always wanted to. I know it is very competitive but I don't see anything wrong with my ambition, and I know I must keep options open but at least I can have my goals.

make sure you put that in the essays. it'll get you some strong looks for sure

 

[SweetPea360]

I have a major dilemma here...

I finally decided to go to medical school, however my undergraduate GPA is not superb (2.91). I was interested in completing a post bacc. program, preferably Hofstra University Pre-Med. I currently work for a university, but the school I work for does not offer a post bacc. program.

My question is... If I took the classes I needed non-matriculated at Pace University, is this just as good as doing a post bacc.?

 

[RogueUnicorn]

in terms of gpa repair, yes.

 

[musicmuse1122]

Hi guys,

I applied to medical school this past cycle but received no interviews. I didn't have great grades before, but they've gone up a little this past year.
Right now I have cGPA 3.24, sGPA 3.10, and MCAT 29T with a Bio degree from an Ivy League school. I have ECs and volunteer work but no research experience. I'm looking at post-baccs and SMPs, and I am not sure where to apply.

Do I want graduate credit or undergraduate credit (in terms of GPA enhancement)?
Should I do a master's in an actual specialty or a special master's program?
I'm currently in the Bay Area - if I do CSU East Bay or SFSU's post-bacc programs and get (say) a 4.0, will that reflect improvement on my part or not add anything because it won't reflect improvement above an Ivy League 3.24?
*full of questions*

Thanks for any advice!

 

[deleted248403]

hi guys,
do i want graduate credit or undergraduate credit (in terms of gpa enhancement)?

smp

 

[bigloley]

Hi guys,

I applied to medical school this past cycle but received no interviews. I didn't have great grades before, but they've gone up a little this past year.
Right now I have cGPA 3.24, sGPA 3.10, and MCAT 29T with a Bio degree from an Ivy League school. I have ECs and volunteer work but no research experience. I'm looking at post-baccs and SMPs, and I am not sure where to apply.

Do I want graduate credit or undergraduate credit (in terms of GPA enhancement)?
Should I do a master's in an actual specialty or a special master's program?
I'm currently in the Bay Area - if I do CSU East Bay or SFSU's post-bacc programs and get (say) a 4.0, will that reflect improvement on my part or not add anything because it won't reflect improvement above an Ivy League 3.24?
*full of questions*

Thanks for any advice!

since you graduated already, lots of undergrad postbacc credits will only get you .1-.2 cpga points up. I'd agree with robflanker, do a smp, specifically one with high linkage such as evms, rfu or u of cinci.