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[Perrotfish]

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I have a 31S on my April 07 MCAT and as I stated I have a 2.7 gpa, I am also setup to begin some volunteer research at hospital in my area, New York City region, but I realize my main problem is my low gpa. If anyone can offer some advice as to what are my best options right now I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

Well, your MCAT is exactly average for allo matriculants and your GPA is several standard deviations below average, therefore:

1) Use this year to raise your GPA. If you have any Ds or Fs retake them, if you have any Cs in premed subjects retake them, if not just take upper level science classes that you're sure you can ace. Your goal, during the next two semesters, is to get to a 3.0 GPA, both overall and BCPM (if that is possible)

2) With your new 3.0 (or close to it) apply to an SMP, and do well

3) With your SMP performance, apply to a very broa range of medical schools, including a broad mix of DO schools. If you're applying to DO schools that means you should have shadowed, and have a letter of rec from, a DO.

4) Go to medical school

So unfortunately, at least a 2 year process, probably with third gap year

other options

1) Skip step 2, focus on retaking classes. When you get up to about a 3.3 (with grade replacement), apply to DO schools. Since your GPA is pretty low this is probably just as long a process as the SMP thing, but it's probably at least less expensive than an SMP. This might be the best option if you're sorta broke

2) Skip step 2, apply to the Carribean. Try not to be the part of their class that either fails to graduate or fails to get a residency. This might be the best option if you're rich, but it's really gambling with your future if you're poor (you'll be buried under debt forever if you fail, you can't even get rid of it through going bankrupt).

3) You could try retaking the MCAT again, to get up to a 34/35 (if you can hit those numbers on the practice tests). This might get you into DO schools after only a couple semesters of grade replacement post back (at a 4.0) or at least improve the quality of the SMP you get into. I'd recommend against it though: studying or the MCAT is a full time job and I can't imagine that you're going to study enough to get a 34 AND rehab your grades at the same time. Also you'd be risking a perfectly good score.

4) Again, if you've got a little spare money, and have done a few semesters more of post bac (more undergrad) work at a 4.0, you might try applying directly to every DO school out there, as well as your state allo schools, very early during the next application cycle. It will be a long shot, but there's a real chance it might work (your MCAT will be above average for the schools you're applying to, so someone might give you the chance to dazzle them in an interview).

Anyway good luck, you can do it, it has been done before.

Also I like the screen name, did you shadow The Good Doctor?

 

[hung]

Another option is the LECOM health post bacc program. I think the deadline is in Aug and the requirements to get in is low (20+mcat, 2.7gpa). The program is one year and you take med school related science classes that count towards your undergradaute gpa. Possible option to get into a DO school fall 09.

 

[skbirdie510]

Coming out of an Ivy league school, I had a 2.93 GPA overall, 2.81 BCPM and 28R on the MCAT. I graduated one semester early and I am in my second semester of an MPH program. I knew I had to address the low science GPA so I applied to a regular masters program in biology, to which I was accepted very recently.

My questions are a) will a regular masters help with admissions chances and b) does it make sense to start the MS and once I'm done with that, return to the MPH next year when I'm applying to medical schools? My reasoning is that I need to demonstrate that I can handle harder sciences, and have those grades on hand before starting AMCAS. I'm also planning to retake the MCAT soon.

Thanks for your help!

 

[LAMAR]

Hi all: I had a horrible undergrad gpa (2.42) due in part to family and financial difficulties, but I am trying to turn things around. I am at Harvard now (part-time) doing a Master's with a good gpa (3.83). My initial thought was that this degree would help to prove that I can keep up with rigorous coursework, but now I'm not so sure.

I'm planning on doing a post-bacc to raise my undergrad gpa, but I think even after 30-32 post bacc credits, my gpa will still be pretty low. Does anyone know if my Master's will be useful for admission to medical school? I have heard some people say that good grades at a good school will help to offset the past, but I have also heard that the only thing that matters is my undergraduate gpa. Any advice? Is there any hope for me?

 

[skbirdie510]

a) from the experience of other posters on this board, not significantly enough to justify it as a strategy to improve your application

b) As long as you're committed to finishing both programs I doubt the timeline will matter, but you need to finish whatever you start.

I think what you need is not a regular masters, but a special masters (or maybe just more post back work). More immediatly you need to improve your MCAT score to get it at least over the medican for allo matriculants (31).

Just my opinion, though, and I'm not on an ADCOM

How would an SMP be better than a regular masters? I guess one of the reasons I went with a regular masters is it seems that, for all intents and purposes, the courses covered are pretty similar from one to another. I could be completely wrong, any insight would be great.

Most of the SMPs are also out of state, and the only one that I know of in-state (Columbia, for me) is already really expensive. That's not to say the one I chose is much better (NYU), tuition wise, but I'm the only one paying so it seemed like a slightly better option.

I was planning on retaking the MCAT next year, since I'm only applying next June.

 

[huzzfuzz]

Hey people, thank you so much in advance to anyone who can give me advice or suggestions. Your feedback is truly appreciated!

I currently have a 2.51 cumulative GPA, I don't know what my science GPA is though. I've only taken Bio 1 & 2 and Chem 1 & 2 so far. I plan to retake Bio 2 to boost my GPA up. I start taking all of my other premed prereqs starting next semester. I currently have 2 years left of school. I'm planning on taking the MCAT in the summer of 2009. I'm taking Organic Chem 1 now though. I hope to be able to boost my GPA to at least a 3.0. I've pretty much taken all the credits I need for my degree (Psychology) so it's mainly science courses I have left with a couple of Psychology courses thrown in. Will it be possible for me to get a 3.0 or higher by the time I graduate? Since I would have taken all the science courses required what could I do after graduation if my GPA is low & I don't get into med school?

Once again thank you very very much!

 

[mdmaybe1]

How would an SMP be better than a regular masters? I guess one of the reasons I went with a regular masters is it seems that, for all intents and purposes, the courses covered are pretty similar from one to another. I could be completely wrong, any insight would be great.

Most of the SMPs are also out of state, and the only one that I know of in-state (Columbia, for me) is already really expensive. That's not to say the one I chose is much better (NYU), tuition wise, but I'm the only one paying so it seemed like a slightly better option.

I was planning on retaking the MCAT next year, since I'm only applying next June.

Regular masters programs have reputation of having extreme grade inflation. In an SMP you are taking med school courses with first year med students. Doing well in an SMP directly shows you are med school worthy.

 

[Acceler8]

Hey all: I graduated last April with a 2.74 cum. GPA, about the same for science GPA with a 27N MCAT. Low GPA was due to money/family issues.

I got into a couple of SMP's, and am trying to decide which one will suit me best. So far, it has come down to the Biomedical Sciences program at UMDNJ-Stratford, or the GMS Program at Boston University.

I've heard a lot about the GMS program. It seems to have a great reputation, and I feel lucky to have been accepted to it, but I'm very worried about the cost/living expenses (especially considering that money issues already have hindered my undergrad performance), and finding an apt/roomate in Boston this late in the game.

The Biomedical Sciences Program at UMDNJ-Stratford is much more affordable, and I like that it is more of a suburban environment (10 miles outside Philadelphia). But there doesn't seem to be much information available about
the program, and I'm not sure about how it would be viewed by Medical Schools vs. the GMS program.

Any advice? Either way, I plan on taking 1.5 to two years, and will retake the MCAT next summer.

I also applied to Drexel's IMS program, and have yet to hear back. However, the program starts in less than a month, so I'm not holding my breath for that one...

 

[ILikeFood]

Hey all: I graduated last April with a 2.74 cum. GPA, about the same for science GPA with a 27N MCAT. Low GPA was due to money/family issues.

I got into a couple of SMP's, and am trying to decide which one will suit me best. So far, it has come down to the Biomedical Sciences program at UMDNJ-Stratford, or the GMS Program at Boston University.

I've heard a lot about the GMS program. It seems to have a great reputation, and I feel lucky to have been accepted to it, but I'm very worried about the cost/living expenses (especially considering that money issues already have hindered my undergrad performance), and finding an apt/roomate in Boston this late in the game.

The Biomedical Sciences Program at UMDNJ-Stratford is much more affordable, and I like that it is more of a suburban environment (10 miles outside Philadelphia). But there doesn't seem to be much information available about
the program, and I'm not sure about how it would be viewed by Medical Schools vs. the GMS program.

Any advice? Either way, I plan on taking 1.5 to two years, and will retake the MCAT next summer.

I also applied to Drexel's IMS program, and have yet to hear back. However, the program starts in less than a month, so I'm not holding my breath for that one...

PM planejane

 

[narigat]

Just graduated this spring and I'm planning to retake my prereqs to raise my gpa (had mostly Cs and some Bs and Ds):

UCSD gpa: 2.35
science gpa: 2.03

I'm trying to figure out what to do next. I have registered to retake classes at a CC. I'm also thinking of becoming an EMT to gain more experience. I've looked at their course catalog though and most of my upper-div science classes do not have any equivalent courses in most CCs. What should I do? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

[ILikeFood]

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[lauram87]

graduated from u of illinois, age 21, with 3.1 and lots of experience (2 years of lab work and oral surgery assistant) and volunteering but a low bcm.

i start a masters program at midwestern in illinois in biomedical sciences so i know i have to get a 4.0 in this program!

i previously took the MCAT and got a 27p, i know i will have to take it again probably to compensate for my low undergrad gpa!

any advice??


my mom is a hospice nurse (age 46 and has been one for over 20 years) and recently decided she wants to go back to medical school. she has her batchelors and will take 2 years of pre-reqs and then the mcat and hopefully matriculate in fall 2011. she is so determined and excited about going back to school, i feel confident she will get great grades in her classes? what do you think her chances are?

 

[omelette1230]

I graduated with a 3.1 in undergrad in genetics and knew i needed to do more to improve my chances. i did a post bacc for a year and summer taking 30 hours of the most difficult sciences i could find. the courses i took were anatomy, physiology, molecular bio, immunology, cell biology, human genetics, neuroscience, developmental bio, and animal behavior, and endocrinology. i got a 3.9 and was in the top three in most of these. while i was doing this i worked in an epilepsy lab full time. i worked 10-12 hours a day. i have 5 publications and 7 in preparation ready to be sent in a month or two. i also plan on using mededits as i have filled the 15 work activites section on the amcas. My mcat is 30. can i feel optimistic?

 

[yadave]

Hey all!

I must say this thread REALLY gives me so much motivation...thank GOD there are others out there like me lol. I was so worried for so long that I was the only one with a low ug gpa that still had the passion for medicine!

Here are my stats:

2.2 cum gpa (senior majoring in biology, biopsychology and a minor in chem)
have not taken mcat or gre
worked at proctor and gamble as a temp
work at KAO Brands
Have two publications from the university of cincinnati
have over 5 years of research experience

Im currently crossing my fingers that I can get it together before graduation to apply to a SMP (preferably drexel) and get in.

what do you all think? Could I make MPS at drexel?....

 

[HH91]

(Perrotfish i'd really like your input on this.. i've read that you went to Tulane)

-im a michigan resident currently attending lsu. I'm entering my senior year with a 3.1 and will probably end with a cum 3.2 (science gpa is lower)
-i will be taking my MCAT on the 22nd(friday), my avg score has been a 27 thus far.
-i have been working as an EMT for 2years, still certified
-i have 800+ volunt hours at a Vets Hospital
-i am working on a co-pub in a microlab
-bs in microbio, chem minor
i will NOT be applying to med schools this year because of my low gpa, i figured that applying would only hurt my chances because i'm focused in on an SMP after my BS and applying after completion (i dont want to be viewed as second-time applicant)

i've been researching postbaccs on studentdoc/aamc for quite a while, and was wondering if it would be wise to go forth with an SMP: would it give me a realistic shot at a med school?
my two choices for med school would be Wayne State (considered in-state, started college there and then transferred after katrina to live with my dad in new orleans) or Tulane.

if so, I was considering Tulane to do my SMP and after researching their programs, I was wondering why nobody considers their Human Genetics program?http://www.som.tulane.edu/human_genetics/masters.html
all i read about is Cell/Mol Bio?


to summarize:
1.) would an smp give me a realistic shot at a med school like wayne state
2.) would i be competitive at an SMP such as the ones offered at Tulane, if not can you suggest an alternative route i.e. improving my mcat score
3.) is it wise not to apply for med school right now since my gpa is low? i figured that i will aim my efforts toward getting into a SMP early and apply only one time afterward

-thanks in advance

 

[alex101]

Hi all: I had a horrible undergrad gpa (2.42) due in part to family and financial difficulties, but I am trying to turn things around. I am at Harvard now (part-time) doing a Master's with a good gpa (3.83). My initial thought was that this degree would help to prove that I can keep up with rigorous coursework, but now I'm not so sure.

I'm planning on doing a post-bacc to raise my undergrad gpa, but I think even after 30-32 post bacc credits, my gpa will still be pretty low. Does anyone know if my Master's will be useful for admission to medical school? I have heard some people say that good grades at a good school will help to offset the past, but I have also heard that the only thing that matters is my undergraduate gpa. Any advice? Is there any hope for me?

damn.. how did you get into harvard? thats incredible man.

what w as your major? im in similar shoes as you but i dont even know if i can get into a master's program. what masters did you choose?

 

[Perrotfish]

Hey all!

I must say this thread REALLY gives me so much motivation...thank GOD there are others out there like me lol. I was so worried for so long that I was the only one with a low ug gpa that still had the passion for medicine!

Here are my stats:

2.2 cum gpa (senior majoring in biology, biopsychology and a minor in chem)
have not taken mcat or gre
worked at proctor and gamble as a temp
work at KAO Brands
Have two publications from the university of cincinnati
have over 5 years of research experience

Im currently crossing my fingers that I can get it together before graduation to apply to a SMP (preferably drexel) and get in.

what do you all think? Could I make MPS at drexel?....

Nope. Get your cum up to a 2.8 by taking more classes, up to at least a 3.0 if you can't get a truely stellar MCAT, and THEN start applying to SMPs. Sorry

 

[yadave]

Nope. Get your cum up to a 2.8 by taking more classes, up to at least a 3.0 if you can't get a truely stellar MCAT, and THEN start applying to SMPs. Sorry

Ok so yeah I was planning on taking more classes and get up to about a 2.6 atleast. I think I can manage to make that 2.8 before graduation. However, ill also work on just my biology concentration gpa (upper levels such as immunology, cancer biology, etc). right now my upper bio class gpa is a 3.45. Ill take more and make that reallystrong too. do you think that when they see that all my upper levels are really good they will like it even though my premed sucks pretty bad?

Also, with a 2.8 cum what kind of MCAT score should i be shooting for to get into drexel?

 

[Perrotfish]

Ok so yeah I was planning on taking more classes and get up to about a 2.6 atleast. I think I can manage to make that 2.8 before graduation. However, ill also work on just my biology concentration gpa (upper levels such as immunology, cancer biology, etc). right now my upper bio class gpa is a 3.45. Ill take more and make that reallystrong too. do you think that when they see that all my upper levels are really good they will like it even though my premed sucks pretty bad?

It should get you into the SMP, at least, with a good MCAT

Also, with a 2.8 cum what kind of MCAT score should i be shooting for to get into drexel?

For IMS: at least a 30, probably a 32 or 34. I don't really know about MSP.

 

[PlAnEjaNe]

Hey all: I graduated last April with a 2.74 cum. GPA, about the same for science GPA with a 27N MCAT. Low GPA was due to money/family issues.

I got into a couple of SMP's, and am trying to decide which one will suit me best. So far, it has come down to the Biomedical Sciences program at UMDNJ-Stratford, or the GMS Program at Boston University.

I've heard a lot about the GMS program. It seems to have a great reputation, and I feel lucky to have been accepted to it, but I'm very worried about the cost/living expenses (especially considering that money issues already have hindered my undergrad performance), and finding an apt/roomate in Boston this late in the game.

The Biomedical Sciences Program at UMDNJ-Stratford is much more affordable, and I like that it is more of a suburban environment (10 miles outside Philadelphia). But there doesn't seem to be much information available about
the program, and I'm not sure about how it would be viewed by Medical Schools vs. the GMS program.

Any advice? Either way, I plan on taking 1.5 to two years, and will retake the MCAT next summer.

I also applied to Drexel's IMS program, and have yet to hear back. However, the program starts in less than a month, so I'm not holding my breath for that one...

Although this is a bit late in response, I figured I would go ahead and give you my thoughts. First, I applied to all three of the programs that you have mentioned and got into all three programs. I chose the program at UMDNJ because of (in no particular order)

1. Cost--I did not want to be 100k in debt before I even started med school
2. Location--Boston is cold and expensive and I'm from Cali...that kind of cold kills!
3. Size of program--Boston and Drexel's class sizes are very large--100+ and the class size at UMDNJ was much smaller, around 55-60.

I guess when it really came down to it I wanted to go to a program where I could have access to great academic advising and where the program was large enough to be recognized by other schools, yet small enough to have a strong linkage with the parent med school. Since being at UMDNJ I have gotten to know several of the medical students and faculty (including faculty on ADMCOM). I have also been able to do well in this program because even though it is competitive, it was not that ultra-unhealthy kind of competition where you always feel 'do-or-die' kind of emotions. That is just not healthy and for me it does nothing but make me lose determination and passion for something that I want and love so much.

I think for you, since finances have been such a burden for, perhaps going to the place where you would feel the least financial burden would help you do your best academically.

Good Luck

 

[yadave]

damn.. how did you get into harvard? thats incredible man.

what w as your major? im in similar shoes as you but i dont even know if i can get into a master's program. what masters did you choose?

I agree, I am quite curious myself. was it the harvard extension school? because I am thinking very seriously on this option at this point...

 

[DbDan]

Like a bunch of people I'm glad I found this forum/thread 😎

I am currently going into my 5th year as a Physiological Science major at UCLA. Unfortunately for me, I spent my first two years as an electrical engineering major with a biomedical emphasis and absolutely hated it (why I didn't switch early still boggles my mind but apparently I thought I could fight through it). Unfortunately, this lead me to a 2.16 Cum after my first two years. Since switching, I have worked my way up to a 2.699 current cum with a 2.41 Science GPA.

Since I still have pretty large load of science classes left to take for my degree, if I can manage a 4.0 (which would be quite a feat considering the classes I have) for the rest of the time in undergrad, I would have a 2.866cum with a 2.73sci. I plan on graduating in Winter quarter and spending my spring quarter taking an MCAT Prep class and taking the MCAT as soon as it is over (which I believe would be late may or early June).

My question truely is since I have such a low GPA, would it be more beneficial to me to spend my spring quarter retaking a few undergrad classes I didn't do well in (I've calculated that by taking 3 classes: two life sciences and a physics, which I recieved C's in could potentially raise my GPA from the 2.866/2.73 listed above to 3.01/2.97 assuming As after the retake) or taking that time to study for and take the MCAT. I also plan on taking the GRE in september (1 month) and have been scoring 780quant/600ish verbal on average if it makes a difference.

As far as research/clinical, right now unfortunately my clinical work is at absolute zero and I begin work volunteering in a research lab this coming week. I hope to work my way into volunteering for the coming year at UCLA's hospital as well in order to add something to the clinical area. Anybody have some advice on what would be the best course of action? I would love to get into an MD program but I have also haven't closed the door on DO programs.

 

[pdeco1]

This thread is great.

UFlorida grad. Econ major. 2.5 GPA

I now live in Tampa, FL. My current plan is to gain experience and insight into the medical field by volunteering. Either at a local hospital or hospice.

--Is there a better way?

I will start taking my pre reqs Summer A of next year.
Chem 1 + lab Summer A
Chem 2 + lab Summer B

Fall
Organic + lab
Bio + lab
Physics + lab

Spring
Org 2 Bio 2 Phy 2 + labs.

MCAT the following Fall/Summer 2010.

Is this a good plan? I am of course open to DO schools and would rather stay in the US if possible. Is there any other paths that I am not considering?

 

[hung]

Like a bunch of people I'm glad I found this forum/thread 😎

I am currently going into my 5th year as a Physiological Science major at UCLA. Unfortunately for me, I spent my first two years as an electrical engineering major with a biomedical emphasis and absolutely hated it (why I didn't switch early still boggles my mind but apparently I thought I could fight through it). Unfortunately, this lead me to a 2.16 Cum after my first two years. Since switching, I have worked my way up to a 2.699 current cum with a 2.41 Science GPA.

Since I still have pretty large load of science classes left to take for my degree, if I can manage a 4.0 (which would be quite a feat considering the classes I have) for the rest of the time in undergrad, I would have a 2.866cum with a 2.73sci. I plan on graduating in Winter quarter and spending my spring quarter taking an MCAT Prep class and taking the MCAT as soon as it is over (which I believe would be late may or early June).

My question truely is since I have such a low GPA, would it be more beneficial to me to spend my spring quarter retaking a few undergrad classes I didn't do well in (I've calculated that by taking 3 classes: two life sciences and a physics, which I recieved C's in could potentially raise my GPA from the 2.866/2.73 listed above to 3.01/2.97 assuming As after the retake) or taking that time to study for and take the MCAT. I also plan on taking the GRE in september (1 month) and have been scoring 780quant/600ish verbal on average if it makes a difference.

As far as research/clinical, right now unfortunately my clinical work is at absolute zero and I begin work volunteering in a research lab this coming week. I hope to work my way into volunteering for the coming year at UCLA's hospital as well in order to add something to the clinical area. Anybody have some advice on what would be the best course of action? I would love to get into an MD program but I have also haven't closed the door on DO programs.

I would suggest you don't rush to take the MCAT. You can always study and take the MCAT next summer once you graduate. Stay at UCLA as long as you can and retake those sciences that you got C's and less in (remember that MD schools don't replace grades, rather count both). Use all three quarters to bring your gpa to above the 3.0 mark. As a Phy Sci major, there are a few easier elective classes you can take to help your gpa (ie. phy sci 165, diet and nutrition (I don't remember the #, offered in winter), just ask around). Just spend your 5th year focused on bringing up your gpa and getting letters of recommendations. Once you graduate next summer, then study for the MCAT. To offset a low gpa, you would need a competitive MCAT score (33+). If you take the MCAT next summer (09) or jan '10, you will be in great shape to apply for smps during the winter. By then you will have an MCAT score, higher gpa, and letters of rec. If all goes well, you will be in an smp for fall '10. This is only a suggested plan of action. I regret not making the most of my classes at UCLA. Do all you can academically while you are still there. Good luck. Go Bruins.

 

[yadave]

I would just like to say something and I dont want people to take offense to this but it really needs to be said:

These forums are made for people to recieve GOOD advice. Not to be demotivated even more. I truly thank those of you who stick to answering the question instead of just telling someone they pretty much suck because their credentials are low, bla bla...and YES there are plenty of those folks on here and I find it ridiculous.

I talked to the dean of medicine at my current college today and was advised that people of all types of backgrounds (this is an allo school keep in mind). Also, as long as a student can truly demonstrate that they have risen above their undergrad low GPA in their masters program (SMP) the commitee will look at their application closely. You have NOT lost all hope and chance of being a doctor if you messed up ur undergrad. Just have to work your butt off and prove it to them that you do have it in you to make it. Its important to keep in mind that most of the people who are demotivating on here do not sit on medical board committees and will not be the ones interviewing you. My father sits on UC's board and has told me many interesting stories of student who UC even let in so I assure you, if you get it together, you will make it.

I know this post got kind of preachy but I truly hate negativity. So please do not beat people up even more if you can avoid it. I understand that some of you have great GPAs and I hope that because of the wise decisions you have made you will help the rest of us figure out how to make those same type of decisions to expand our knowledge on medical school admissions and criteria. Thank you. Hopefully I did not offend anyone too much but like I stated earlier, this really needed to be said.

🙂

 

[DrMidlife]

These forums are made for people to recieve GOOD advice.

Like what a bunch of us gave you in your "PLEASE EXPLAIN" thread?

Meanwhile, welcome to SDN. It's very entertaining to have you, a newcomer, provide us your interpretation of what we're here for.

Not to be demotivated even more.

Nobody with delicate motivation should take on med school, even with stellar credentials. Can you see how this is a problem?

I truly thank those of you who stick to answering the question instead of just telling someone they pretty much suck because their credentials are low, bla bla...and YES there are plenty of those folks on here and I find it ridiculous.

Please refer to where somebody told you you suck, vs. where somebody stated a fact based on their experience as a med school applicant. I'm not finding the suck part. I think it's in your head.

I talked to the dean of medicine...

We see this all the time: somebody comes on here with a low GPA, completely sure that they'll be the new anecdote who gets into a UC without the numbers. Throws around names of deans and who the parents know. Yawn.

This is insulting on so many levels. Look at the MSAR. The UCs get about 4000-5000 in-state apps, apiece, per year. They interview 400-500 instate applicants, per school. They matriculate 100-150, per school. Do you think that the 3000+ instate candidates who do not get into UCs have worse stats than you? Do you think that the UCs, which are public, are going to throw away a great, qualified applicant for you, because your dad is on the board?

I think maybe a couple years in the Peace Corps would help you more than anything else.

Best of luck to you.

 

[yadave]

Do you have any idea wtf you are even talking about????

I said nothing about them accepting me over a qualified candidate for one thing. and two, my dad being on the board has nothing to do with me thinking I will get in bc he is on the board. i am telling you hard core advice I have recieved from people who are FAR MORE EXPERIENCED than you are. people in their late 50s who have first hand experience. none of this is my opinion I am telling you EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY THOSE IN AUTHORITY POSITIONS. second of all, i think if anything you are missing the purpose of being a doctor. your job is to provide comfort to people. that is not all of your job obviously but a very important factor is that you must be a comforting person on soem level and know how to motivate someone so that they can fight. wether thats for their life or this, who cares? the point is to be a nice human being and to show that you have the ability to show that you are caring and understanding rather than demotivating and pessemistic (which so far you have done a very poor job of showing to be quite honest). third, wether I just joined this forum or have been here for two years means nothing because I have been alive long enough to know wtf is going on in the world, in medical school politics, etc etc. the length of my membership ON A FORUM does not define my common sense knowledge nor should it effect me trying to be nice to someone and give them a little bit of advice that they should keep moving forward and not listen to blatant *******S like yourself who do nothing but put people down. There have been people on this forum who have given me the same advice as others such as yourself and if not better advice and have delivered it in a very appropriate and non-condascending way and it has been along the same lines as yours. Do you think you are anyone who has the authority to tell me or anyone else that they have no chance in US medical schools? NO! you do not sit on any board nor do you have yaers of experience dealing with candidates from different backgrounds. the point of me giving information i recieved from the dean or my dad was to show that people who do know what they are talking about are not even as pessemistic as people like you on this forum therefore people out there who have low credentials should not merely listen to advice that is so demotivating and pessemistic. UNDERGRADUATE GPA IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! people HAVE and are continuing to make it by just getting their act together. as for your ****, ill let you know once ive gotten into medical school about how utterly wrong you truly are...😉 best of luck to u

 

[pdeco1]

Can you ladies take this outside.

 

[Perrotfish]

UNDERGRADUATE GPA IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! people HAVE and are continuing to make it by just getting their act together. as for your ****, ill let you know once ive gotten into medical school about how utterly wrong you truly are

Your Undergrad GPA will absolutely keep you out of medical school uness you can pull it up or get into an SMP. Your undergrad GPA will absolutely keep you out of an SMP unless you pull it up and/or get a miracle MCAT score. It's not the end of the world, but unless it changes it is the end of your medical career.

Your past GPA is also a very good indicator of future GPA and MCAT. There are exceptions (including me) but that's the general rule. I hope that you are an exception as well. However on an anonamyous forum you're going to get pessimistic responses until you are an exception, rather than hoping to be an exception. Heck, the MCAT alone kept a lot of my friends out of medical school, and they had good GPAs.

Don't let anyone tell you that you can't do this. You can, with enough time and enough work. But also don't let anyone tell you that you're some sort of failure if you don't do this, or if you decide the road is too long for the goal. You're looking at, I think, at least 2 years of dammage repair just to start in the pipeline of medical training, and there's no guarentee that that dammage repair will actually get you in. This is a huge opportunity cost, both in terms of money and time, for no guarenteed reward. You need to honestly assess whether it's worth it to you. Most of my friends work in other fields, they're both happy and successful. People are giving you an honest assessment of your chances, not out of spite, but to help you make that decision. Giving you advice to 'keep moving forward' is not necessarily good advice here.

BTW, one of the reasons I would recommend studying for and taking the MCAT soon is to see if you can do well on it. If you study for a semester and get a 35 you might be 2 years away from medical school and that's probably worth it. If you get a 15, I just don't see this career being worth the effort you would need to put into it. That's just my opinion, though, and this is obviously your decision.

Good luck, if you want this badly enough you can get it

 

[yadave]

Your Undergrad GPA will absolutely keep you out of medical school uness you can pull it up or get into an SMP. Your undergrad GPA will absolutely keep you out of an SMP unless you pull it up and/or get a miracle MCAT score. It's not the end of the world, but unless it changes it is the end of your medical career.

Your past GPA is also a very good indicator of future GPA and MCAT. There are exceptions (including me) but that's the general rule. I hope that you are an exception as well. However on an anonamyous forum you're going to get pessimistic responses until you are an exception, rather than hoping to be an exception. Heck, the MCAT alone kept a lot of my friends out of medical school, and they had good GPAs.

Don't let anyone tell you that you can't do this. You can, with enough time and enough work. But also don't let anyone tell you that you're some sort of failure if you don't do this, or if you decide the road is too long for the goal. You're looking at, I think, at least 2 years of dammage repair just to start in the pipeline of medical training, and there's no guarentee that that dammage repair will actually get you in. This is a huge opportunity cost, both in terms of money and time, for no guarenteed reward. You need to honestly assess whether it's worth it to you. Most of my friends work in other fields, they're both happy and successful. People are giving you an honest assessment of your chances, not out of spite, but to help you make that decision. Giving you advice to 'keep moving forward' is not necessarily good advice here.

BTW, one of the reasons I would recommend studying for and taking the MCAT soon is to see if you can do well on it. If you study for a semester and get a 35 you might be 2 years away from medical school and that's probably worth it. If you get a 15, I just don't see this career being worth the effort you would need to put into it. That's just my opinion, though, and this is obviously your decision.

Good luck, if you want this badly enough you can get it

Thank you very much. I really appreciate the advice. You're right...
I do want this more than anything. I know in my heart I can do it. I was just very immature in my undergrad. Its not that i didn't understand the work its that I didnt put the effort in. Now that I am awake I see the damage i truly did to myself and my career. However, Im willing to work very hard to get where I need to get. Im willing to put in those two years and raise my gpa. However I think first, like everyone has suggested I willmake my cumilative undergrad gpa a 3.0 and then move forward to a SMP that will provide me the proper exposure I may need to show med schools I can do it. I have taken several mcat exams and have always scored a 30+. I think my problem is the confidence thing too. ive seen myself fail so much that it gets hard to see myself succeeding even though i know I can.

Anyway, enough sentimental stuff...thanks again for all the help (everyone). I wish everyoe all the luck and success in everything.

 

[TheRach1025]

Do you have any idea wtf you are even talking about????

Pump your brakes, kid. DrMidLife is a forum treasure.

 

[Evangeline]

Omg, I am so glad that there is a thread like this--having a low GPA (and being in my last year of college) myself, knowing that other people are on the same path is very motivational. 🙂

 

[yadave]

Omg, I am so glad that there is a thread like this--having a low GPA (and being in my last year of college) myself, knowing that other people are on the same path is very motivational. 🙂

I completely agree. it gave me tons of hope too. love this forum!👍

 

[pianoman511]

hi im your typical premed screwup (5th year) who has an 2.86 overall gpa (due to failing biochem 1 and some bio lab class, prior to which i had around 3.1) i had ok grades during my freshman and sophomore year ( As and Bs in physics, general bio, and chemistry, and As in a couple of 300 level bio classes). and because of the failing of the two classes i did not graduate on time. and for that my parents have cut me off financially completely as i am right now just running between weekend jobs and commuting classes at stonybrook (suny) in hope that i can graduate asap. my second semester of my 4th year has shown somewhat of an upward trend in gpa. if i have to give a reason, i 'd say the combination of lack of motivation and hanging out with the wrong crowds as well as family issues.

however i have always wanted to go into medicine (just wasn't determined enough to do anything to achieve anything) and just wondering if it is at all reasonable to even fight to get in an SMP program at this point, in the hope that i would gain admission to some med school in the end. and if so what SMPs would you guys recommend? (in terms of both admission criteria and tuition + living expenses) and if not, what are my options at this point? because i find it very hard to find a job with my major.

here is a list of my credentials

mcat 31(took it this past may)
gpa 2.86
1 year/ 2 semesters worth of research and got Satisfactory as a grade
little to no volunteer experience


Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Well, MCAT looks good. That's a step in the right direction. Have you calculated science and non science GPAs ? If so, what are they ?

Also, if you have any interest at all in DO school I would check what your science and non science GPA would be using the AACOMAS calculations (i.e. if you take a course they will take the better of the grades whereas AMCAS averages the grades).

If you just have a few classes that are dragging your GPA down, then your best option is probably to just retake them and rock them. If you have time then I would say try and do some volunteer work or medical related work, but really concentrate on getting that GPA up !!!

You can do it, just make sure that med school is what you really want to do. I had a 2.9 GPA and did a post-bac and now am in med school. It can be done.

 

[ivegotafever]

Pianoman511, where did you do your postbacc?
And do you recommend it for myself (3.39 undergrad BA in psych, decent ECs, haven't taken the MCAT)?

Thanks for your input

 

[Sophitia]

Pianoman511, where did you do your postbacc?
And do you recommend it for myself (3.39 undergrad BA in psych, decent ECs, haven't taken the MCAT)?

Thanks for your input

Sorry for being stalkerish but looking from the posts he has written, and if I remember correctly he did a postbac at LECOM (sorry if i got this wrong)!



So yes, another situation and question. So, well here are my stats

GPA: 2.96
(did poorly my first three years due to 2 deaths in the family and father having heart attacks, but pulled off straight A's in 10 challenging classes my senior year)
BCPM: 2.73
Major: Biology
MCAT: 36Q
I have a good amount of extracurriculars (including clinical experience) and have done one internship for 2.5 years.

So I was wondering,
a) should I apply to an SMP (hoping to get into BU or one that requires 2 years--one year of classes and another year of completing a library/research thesis) for 2009 admission with the hopes of applying for a seat in medical school for 2011 (oh god, hopefully!) granted I get accepted to the SMP and kick major tush in the SMP or,
b) should I spend a year doing post-bac taking classes, trying to get my GPA to ~3.0, and then doing an SMP?

The thing here is that, I would much prefer option a, as my MCAT grades would probably become out of date if i tried doing option b. And plus money is a factor here. I know getting my GPA/BCMP to ~3.0 would be absolutely beneficial, but i will most likely not qualify for financial aid/grants because of my parents, both being physicians (and I am struggling to get into medical school, the irony. the irony), and my parents will have to shell out major cash (well even more that is) for option b. but then i shouldn't really be complaining, since if i were to be really motivated for medical school, i would fight the odds and find a way to do what i had to do, right? sigh. confusing 🙁

 

[DrMidlife]

So yes, another situation and question....

My thoughts on this:

1. There is federal aid that doesn't consider income. You can get loans (not grants) regardless of what your parents make. Interest isn't deferred on these loans, but they are federally backed and the rates are pretty low. Also, on this topic, keep in mind that your debt load on the other side of medical school is going to dwarf any debt you take on getting into medical school.

2. With or without SMP success, your undergrad GPA and MCAT are still the first things considered in a med school app. A sub-3.0 is going to kill your app at an MD school. If your SMP buys you linkage for an interview, you still have to beat out others who interview. So, given that an SMP is expensive, risky and VERY intense, don't do it for naught. Now, undoubtedly, there are anecdotes of folks who get into EVMS' SMP with a 2.75 and then get into EVMS med school, etc. but don't plan on being an anecdote.

3. Given your GPA, scheduling your repairs around a research/thesis year isn't good prioritization. If doing research is important to you, you will have endless opportunities to do it in med school (sometimes with funding). Your GPA will keep you out, and that research year will not get you in given sub-3.0.

In summary, in your shoes, I would first do the undergrad equivalent of an SMP, taking as much (preferably upper-div) science as possible, at as close to a 4.0 as possible, with the whole point of it being GPA repair, not interest or convenience or anything else. And if a 3.4 is possible, I would do a second undergrad year instead of an SMP. If I can't get to 3.4 in 2 years, I'd do an SMP after the first year.

Best of luck to you.

 

[Perrotfish]

So I was wondering,
a) should I apply to an SMP (hoping to get into BU or one that requires 2 years--one year of classes and another year of completing a library/research thesis) for 2009 admission with the hopes of applying for a seat in medical school for 2011 (oh god, hopefully!) granted I get accepted to the SMP and kick major tush in the SMP or,
b) should I spend a year doing post-bac taking classes, trying to get my GPA to ~3.0, and then doing an SMP?

My suggested plan:

1) you have 2 semesters to get your GPA up before you can even start an SMP. SMPs start in early to mid August. So at the very least get the cum GPA over a 3.0

2) Go to a 1 year SMP next fall. Any will work, but a high linkage program like EVMS would be ideal.

3) Do well.

4) Start medical school in 2010 (for high linkage programs) or possibly 2011 (for everything else).

Honestly a 36Q is more than enough for most of these progams, even with a sub 3.0 BCPM. Don't waste time with research. I also think you shouldn't waste time with the extra year of undergrad. The undergrad gets you into the SMP, the SMP gets you into medical school. If your grades aren't good enough for an SMP then it's the SMP's job to let you know. There's no reason not to apply.

 

[Sophitia]

DrMidLife and PerrotFish, I think I will take both of your answers into account. I'm going to try to take a few upper division biology classes next semester as I'm doing EMT classes and 2 upper division classes this semester. And I think I will take PerrotFish's advice and try to apply for the SMP for 2009 and also apply for post-bac, and see if the SMPs take me.

If not, I guess I'll be doing the post-bac to try to raise my GPA and BCPM some more.

I calculated that I need at least 10 classes of 4.0 grades to get my BCPM to a 3.18 <_<, and taking 4 semesters of 4 classes, and ideally getting 4.0s in all of them, would bring my overall GPA to 3.33.

I know you both already answered this in someway, but do you think it's better to take that many classes to boost it to that GPA and then do an SMP (preferably, high linkage)?

I know about the BU SMP, do you know if that is a moderate to high linkage? What are the other high linkage programs besides EVMS.

 

[Perrotfish]

I know you both already answered this in someway, but do you think it's better to take that many classes to boost it to that GPA and then do an SMP (preferably, high linkage)?

Ok, first, the point of the high linkage thing is that once you get into the high linkage program your previous GPA no longer matters, it's basically a clean slate. If you get a higher GPA you don't need to worry about a high linkage program. A 3.33 and a good SMP GPA from any SMP program is going to get you into medical school.

My advice is this year you should apply to only high linkage SMPs and maybe GTown (which isn't high linkage but has such a high success rate it might be worth it anyway). If you get in, great, if not, more undergrad. After the more undergrad THEN look into programs like Drexel IMS that are designed to get you into schools other than the one hosting the program.

BTW the one other advantage of a high linkage program is that they generally don't make you retake the courses you took in the program while you're in medical school. This frees up your first year for research (or lazieness).

I know about the BU SMP, do you know if that is a moderate to high linkage? What are the other high linkage programs besides EVMS.

Tulane Pharm gets about 60% of students completing the course into Tulane. RFU used to be high linkage, I'm not sure how many of their own students they take now. No idea bout BU. There's a big list of SMPs sticked at the top of this forum, try looking through that.

 

[Sophitia]

Thanks again Perrotfish, I just looked through the list of SMPs 🙂

I hear the Georgetown SMP is hard though... but anyhoo, I shall start applying to SMPs... and see how that turns out. Since I didn't finish my undergrad with enough credits, I'm currently taking classes so that I can get my "real diploma," which will be after Spring 2009.

However, if I wanted to take additional classes, do you (or anyone else) know where else I could take classes? I just looked at the Columbia Post-Bac and I'm not legible to apply since I've already taken the MCAT. I know you can take classes at Harvard/MIT/UMass Boston/state schools, but are there any other places that offers non-matriculated students to take classes during the regular academic year? I'd prefer not to take classes at a state school since I've done that before and wasn't too thrilled (well I went to a SUNY in NY to opt out of an english requirement...and well I wish i hadn't opted out lol)

 

[michalekhamster]

My undergrad was completed in Business and with that I had a cumulative 3.08 GPA. Looking back I really wish I tried harder. There were way too many instances where I simply did not do an assignment. Or even show up to class for free participation marks.

As of now, I'm taking the prerequisites to get into Pharmacy. I'm hopeful, but at the same time I am preparing for the possibility that I will not get in.

3.08 isn't exactly competitive. If I manage an 84% average in the prerequisites my GPA only increases to 3.18 (B). I don't know if I'm calculating GPA correctly, but my overall average in percentages would increase from 75.7% to 77% (B+). The GPA does not reflect this.

I tried searching, but what is the lowest GPA to get accepted into Pharmacy school? Particularly University of Toronto.

 

[Ivory12]

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[wut2do]

I m so glad I found this thread. I have been searching the net for some answers. I had a really bad time at university when I started. I ended up having a very low gpa and had to withdraw. I could get into details but I rather focus on what can be done next.

I ended up going to college and I am graduating in a few weeks. I have always wanted to be a doctor and I know I have it in me, I just got start off on the wrong foot but I have made up for it. Now I want to go back to university and finish my bachelors so I can apply to medical school. The problem is that back in university I was told by a counsellor that i should just forget about any sort of formal school because of my grades. Does this mean that I can never attend medical school regardless of how well I do now?

If I have to I am willing to go overseas for school because this is what I want to be. However I would really prefer to stay in my home country (Canada) and go to school here. Do I have any hope? Does anyone know of anyone who has pulled off something like this. Some advice would be greatly appreciated.

Sorry if i posted this in the wrong forum, if there is a better forum to post this question in please let me know.
Thanks

Hi guys,

Thought I'd give you a bit of an update as to what's going on. I am back at university doing my BSc now. Plan is to keep that gpa as high as possible and go from there. Any tips as to what else I could possibly do to increase my chances?

I'll keep posting on my progress for anyone who's is in a position like I was.

 

[Passion4life]

New member here.

As the title states, I was dismissed from a tier 1 university because I did not have the best study and time management skills. I went to another university to get a BA in Business Admin thinking that this is what I wanted to do with myself. (I got a 3.4 out of 4.0 when I was there, but this is only at this school) I regained my interest in medicine during my last semester when a family member had a massive stroke that changed the lives of everyone in my family.

I am currently at USF working on post bac that rewards me with a 2nd bachelors in the end. I have lots of W's and F's from the first university I attended. I struggled at my start in the post bac having to find better study habits (my business degree wasn't too much of a challenge for me), but have worked out a study routine. However, I am retaking courses such as physics, organic, biology, and gen chem because I settled for only passing grades of a C.

I know I don't have a chance in getting into a MD school, which is fine and have just learned from this forum that DO schools will only count the last grade from your science classes? If it does, this gives me hope - correct me if I am wrong.

I have leadership experience in clubs, volunteer hrs at a couple hospitals and free health clinics, and have spent a great deal at the nursing home where my bedridden family member is located. Looking into an MPH as a plan B and also because it suits an interest to couple it with a medical degree.

Have not taken MCATS yet as that's one thing I want to do really well in.

26 yrs old.
Current GPA is 2.3
BCPM 2.4, but will be a 2.8 if I retake courses with a B and use DO calculator.

advice is thankfully accepted. 🙂

 

[DrMidlife]

...I am currently at USF working on post bac that rewards me with a 2nd bachelors in the end...I know I don't have a chance in getting into a MD school, which is fine and have just learned from this forum that DO schools will only count the last grade from your science classes? If it does, this gives me hope - correct me if I am wrong. ...Have not taken MCATS yet...26 yrs old...Current GPA is 2.3...BCPM 2.4, but will be a 2.8 if I retake courses with a B and use DO calculator.

The AACOMAS app (for DO schools) will DISPLAY every grade you ever got, but only the last grade for repeated coursework is included in GPA calcs.

My suggestions:

1. With sub-3.0's, I think you'll need an SMP to get into DO school, unless maybe you can get 35+ on the MCAT. And you'll need an MCAT score to get into most SMPs. You'd need to take the MCAT by March '09 to apply to '09 SMPs (while there are still spots).

2. USF has a bunch of medical masters programs, particularly the IMS, which are inexpensive and reputable. Definitely take your case to these folks and see what's possible.

3. Nova and Barry have SMPs that will set you up to be competitive at DO schools. There are plenty more SMPs outside Florida.

4. Figure out a timeline that makes sense to you personally. Don't worry about hitting 30+ at the start of med school if it makes sense for you. So figure out if you're going to be wanting to start a family and when, if you're going to want to have some money to travel before/during med school, etc.

Best of luck to you.

 

[emeraldelle1985]

I agree with Evangeline - it's so nice to know that there are other people out there doing the same thing!

Undergrad GPA: 3.14
BCPM: 2.9

Still need to finish pre-reqs: Physics II, Biochem, & take the MCAT

2 years out of college, just about to finish up Teach For America

Trying to figure out what to do - formal post-bacc or just research & take classes, then apply

 

[dresden62]

Hope you guys can help...sorry for the long post but I feel I need to put my story out there. Thanks to anyone who wants to help!
Background:
Grew up in South America, came to states not knowing a word of English. Worked for 5 years after HS graduation at Baylor College of Medicine were I did two years of volunteering, shadowing, attended conferences and lectures. Most of my EC are from this time period (98-2003). At the moment, I'm currently volunteering at a Children's hospitals on the weekends.
I'm a Florida resident currently working as a research technician conducting my own research in toxins and human metabolism. I'm not published yet but I think by next spring I should be. I graduated from the University of Florida in 2007, having gone to a community college the first two years obtaining a GPA of 3.65. Once I transfer to UF, I realized I could no longer work full time and attend school as a full-time student as I did in the time I was attending CC. So I lowered my hours and only worked 15hrs per week. However, life has a funny way of throwing one's plan out the window. My wife got pregnant (thank I God I helped) before my last undergrad year. Needless to say I went back to full-time student/ employee status. I graduated with my transfer class in time but my grades suffer from the lack of time needed to study. I have a bachelor's degree in Biochemistry and had a final GPA of 3.4 (science 3.04) with a few C+ along the way. I wish I could change the past but I can't. I'm happy with the decisions I made and have not regret a single thing up to this day.
I took the MCAT last June and I score a 22M (vr:3,ps: 9, bs: 9). Then I tried as much to prepare for the September MCAT and I got my results last week. I got a miserable 24P (vr: 6, ps: 8, bs: 8). Now I can honestly pinpoint my weaknesses-one being the lack of practice, practice, practice. I want to retake the MCAT this coming January and I'm only concentrating in practicing the material instead of fooling myself into thinking I know it. I've looked around the forum and there are people which have taken the MCAT three times and still got accepted to allopathic schools.
Question:
My question deals with raising my upper level GPA. I got a few A's in upper division clases (Molecular Bio, Parasitology, Virology and all upper division labs plus a year's worth of Research). I obtained A's in most of the core classes (Bio, Orgo, Physics and Inorganic) so retaking these courses will do me no good. The problem was working full-time while going to school full-time. I got a C+ in Biochem, Microbiology, Pathology, Eukaryotic Cell Structure and Analytical Chem.

I can honestly say I'm lost as to what to do next. I will take the MCAT and rock it, no questions about that. I have awesome EC and solid LORs from three professors and one from my PI.

Yet the biggest draw-back is my GPA. I don't even have an upper trend because my grades go from extreme to extreme (from A's to C+ nothing really in between). I guess, what I'm trying to ask is that if you guys can help me figure out if an SMP is the right choice or should I take upper level classes at University where I work at the moment (FIU)?.

I spoke to one of the ADCOMs at the FIUCOM and she gave me a list of gap year schools (SMPs). She also told me that in some cases, if the student is pursuing a MPH, most schools would not accept them until the MPH is completely finish, which can take from 1-2 years and is not as prestigious as a SMP. I have a choice of an SMP in my backyard, Barry University, but I don't think I can afford to dish out $35K for a year. My wife is in school at the moment and I'm the sole provider for our little family.
Do you guys recommend doing a SMP program, replacing my upper division course grades by retaking them or persuing a graduate non-degree certificate? UMDNJ has one the cheapest SMPs ($17,000 a year) or to follow a regular Masters programs at the school where I work at, which can take anywhere from 2-21/2 years. By the way, I'm 29 years old and I have a family to think about so which ever choice I end up making, I'm affecting two other lives.
I want to thank any one who may want to offer their two cents&#8230;.
Ps= Thank you Vihsadas for your recent answer and comments, they are really appreciated.

 

[l8tbloomer]

Seeing all these threads about raising undergrad GPA has made me have some hope for a postbacc program. I recently grad from college (B.S. biology) with an overall GPA of 2.93. Ultimately I would like to get into an SMP program to prove my worth but with that GPA a postbacc program sounds reasonable. Problem is, most postbacc programs I've found require at least a 3.0 to get into! So I am not sure what to do now. I have been starting to study for mcats but am not sure if I am wasting my time. I currently have no one to really talk to about these issues. Does anyone have any good advice?

 

[Perrotfish]

Seeing all these threads about raising undergrad GPA has made me have some hope for a postbacc program. I recently grad from college (B.S. biology) with an overall GPA of 2.93. Ultimately I would like to get into an SMP program to prove my worth but with that GPA a postbacc program sounds reasonable. Problem is, most postbacc programs I've found require at least a 3.0 to get into! So I am not sure what to do now. I have been starting to study for mcats but am not sure if I am wasting my time. I currently have no one to really talk to about these issues. Does anyone have any good advice?

Caveat:
I am not on an ADCOM, or a premedical advisor. Take all advice here with a grain of salt.

Path to medical school

Alright, first, you are not wasting you time. If you look through the big list of Special Masters Programs posted by Dr. Midlife at the top of this forum, you will see that quite a few will take you with under a 3.0 and a good (33+) MCAT. If you read carefully you will realize that many of them don't require a 3.0 but instead 'suggest' a 3.0, which basically means don't both applying with less than a stellar MCAT. The only hard and fast GPA requirements I've found are EVMS (2.75) and Loyola (3.0). Read through this forum to find out which ones are best. If you think you are capable of getting that kind of score by the deadlines for the SMP programs (generally mid-April) you have a good chance of being accepted to an SMP. If you apply broadly (at least 6 SMPs) you should get into one. If you do well in one, you should get into medical school.

HOWEVER that doesn't mean you should actually enter the program with less than a 3.0. You have at least 2 full semesters before any of these programs. During that time, in addition to improving you clinical experience and ECs, you should be enrolled in classes. Nice easy science classes at either your old 4 year college, local community college, or whatever, that you absolutely know that you can get As in.

So, my timeline for you:

This semester: take a formal review course for, and take, the MCAT.

Spring Semester: Apply to SMPs, take classes to get your GPA over a 3.0.

Summer Semester: If your SMP hasn't started yet, take more classes.

You can either apply for class of 2014 (tough, since the ADCOMs will only see half of your SMP grades) or class of 2015 (more a sure thing if you did well in the SMP). With good SMP grades and an early, broad application you should be able to get into some US MD schools.

OTHER OPTIONS:

DO school. DOs are a separate but equal alternative to MDs. If you have trouble getting a stellar MCAT you might want to reconsider retaking classes you did badly in. DO schools only take the most recent grade. When you get up to about a 3.4 and a 27, apply. The greater your MCAT, the lower your GPA can be. For this path you need to show a real interest in osteopathic medicine. This probably means shadowing a DO and getting a letter of recommendation. A DO SMP might also work.

Carribbean: The top 4 Carribbean schools are very real options. Their medical degrees are real and, for the top 4, grant you full practice rights in either most or all US states. With a good MCAT you might be able to get in for this coming fall. The problem, of course, is that unlike US medical schools they fail quite a lot of people out, and fail to find residencies for a few others. And when they fail you out or fail to match you they keep the money. Also you need to take your student loans from real banks, since government loans are only for US schools. So you had better be pretty danged sure of yourself if go down this road. On the other hand you could be doctor in 2017.

Finally: consider other professions. Either in healthcare (PA and NP come to mind) or out of it. If you don't want this very badly it's not necessarily the best decision for your life.

Good luck, whatever you choose to do.