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smoothbunzz said:
Just finished the AAMC SAP for physics and chemistry. How do these correlate?

Physics SAP -- 94%
Gen Chem SAP -- 91%

Also I have 3 AAMCs left. Should I spread these out or just finish them by next week?

All I have left are AAMC 9, 10, 11 and TBR MC questions (no way I am getting through all of them..)
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The way I take the test is do one test and than take a day or two after that to review answers of each section. This way each test takes me two to three days (including the test day).

Coincidentally, I too have three tests left as well, AAMC 7, 9 and 11, my P.O.A is to work do two of these tests. I take test every Thursday, going to the library which opens at 9 am.

For you I would suggest take 10 and 11, from what I hear the science sections on 10 are way harder than the real MCAT and 11 is the most similar so, do 11 last (kind of give you a score range of what you can get). Taking fewer tests, would give you actual time to not only analyze your mistakes in them but also read up on any subjects that are particular weak (for me I think it's genetic problems).


Anyway, cheers and good luck for the exam.
 
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I've tried to keep up with these threads checking in every now and then after each FL, it's about two weeks or so for all of our MCAT's, so I wanted to check in and see how are all of you doing?

I have two chapters of Bio left, done with the Content review for all others.
Have taken a few FL (mostly TPR but also AAMC 5 and 8).
In these last few weeks, I am mainly using TPR Science Workbook

Anyway Cheers to all of you, I am sure We will all get 30+ SCORE Ranges!
 
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Lamel said:
3 and 5 gave me trouble as well. This exam also had a bit more of the "what is the main idea of the passage" type questions. Don't let the number get to you so much though, if you're capable of getting a 10 on AAMC 8 then you can do it on the real thing as well.
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Wooooooow. I just redid AAMC #9 verbal and gave myself around 9 minutes per passage (so I would have gone overtime a little bit). I didn't look at any answers before. I scored a 10 this time. 31/40.
 
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Here are my differences in scores per passage:

3/5 > 4/5
4/5 > 4/5
4/7 > 6/7
1/5 > 2/5
2/5 > 3/5
5/7 > 7/7
3/6 > 5/7

As you can see, the two passages in the middle (4 and 5) that I didn't understand the first time around I still didn't do well on. However, with giving myself 9 minutes per passage ( about 5 min to read the passage and 4 minutes to do the questions) I was able to score 10. Now I just need to figure out a way to read quicker and understand what I am reading when I am reading fast. Any suggestions?
 
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SynapticDoctah said:
Here are my differences in scores per passage:

3/5 > 4/5
4/5 > 4/5
4/7 > 6/7
1/5 > 2/5
2/5 > 3/5
5/7 > 7/7
3/6 > 5/7

As you can see, the two passages in the middle (4 and 5) that I didn't understand the first time around I still didn't do well on. However, with giving myself 9 minutes per passage ( about 5 min to read the passage and 4 minutes to do the questions) I was able to score 10. Now I just need to figure out a way to read quicker and understand what I am reading when I am reading fast. Any suggestions?
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I wish we had 9 minutes on the Real Mcat that would be amazing! I have the same issue, can't really comment.
 
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AKMCAT said:
I wish we had 9 minutes on the Real Mcat that would be amazing! I have the same issue, can't really comment.
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Wait...I think I finished in exactly 60 minutes. You know how on the score report it says "average time per question?" For me, it says my average time per question was 90 seconds.

Using my high quality dimensional analysis learned in BR chemistry: 90 seconds x 40 questions = 3,600 seconds / 60 sec = 60 minutes.
 
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SynapticDoctah said:
Wooooooow. I just redid AAMC #9 verbal and gave myself around 9 minutes per passage (so I would have gone overtime a little bit). I didn't look at any answers before. I scored a 10 this time. 31/40.
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That's good, 9 minutes per passage is 63 minutes total, so you're close

enjoipanda said:
I don't know if I was out of it for the bio section for AAMC 9 but I ended up getting an 11, the lowest in a while. I think I was having trouble with the wording of the passages and answer choices. Not sure if I didn't do well because I was burnt out, or need to do more reviewing. Scored a 13 on ps, which has been the norm, and went back to a 10 on verbal. Ughhh I want to start seeing some higher scores overall, this is depressing.
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Bio is often the one that is worded the worst.


Update on my scores, hoping I can keep it up for the real thing:

AAMC 3: 12 PS, 12 VR, 11 BS - 35
AAMC 4: 14 PS, 12 VR, 13 BS - 39
AAMC 5: 13 PS, 12 VR, 12 BS - 37
AAMC 7: 13 PS, 11 VR, 13 BS - 37
AAMC 8: 14 PS, 10 VR, 12 BS - 36
AAMC 9: 15 PS, 11 VR, 13 BS - 39
 
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Lamel said:
That's good, 9 minutes per passage is 63 minutes total, so you're close



Bio is often the one that is worded the worst.


Update on my scores, hoping I can keep it up for the real thing:

AAMC 3: 12 PS, 12 VR, 11 BS - 35
AAMC 4: 14 PS, 12 VR, 13 BS - 39
AAMC 5: 13 PS, 12 VR, 12 BS - 37
AAMC 7: 13 PS, 11 VR, 13 BS - 37
AAMC 8: 14 PS, 10 VR, 12 BS - 36
AAMC 9: 15 PS, 11 VR, 13 BS - 39
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Damn! Killin it!!!
 
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Lamel said:
That's good, 9 minutes per passage is 63 minutes total, so you're close



Bio is often the one that is worded the worst.


Update on my scores, hoping I can keep it up for the real thing:

AAMC 3: 12 PS, 12 VR, 11 BS - 35
AAMC 4: 14 PS, 12 VR, 13 BS - 39
AAMC 5: 13 PS, 12 VR, 12 BS - 37
AAMC 7: 13 PS, 11 VR, 13 BS - 37
AAMC 8: 14 PS, 10 VR, 12 BS - 36
AAMC 9: 15 PS, 11 VR, 13 BS - 39
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Nice dude! you be killin it, I can't seem to peak in all three sections on my test yet, been scoring around 34-36. I think im just tired from taking a test every other day for the past 2 months or so. Ima probably take a few days off before the last two AAMC. Keep you guys all updated. My mind probably just needs to recuperate, looked back on my answers for AAMC 9, and most of them were misinterpretations and not content.
 
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enjoipanda said:
Nice dude! you be killin it, I can't seem to peak in all three sections on my test yet, been scoring around 34-36. I think im just tired from taking a test every other day for the past 2 months or so. Ima probably take a few days off before the last two AAMC. Keep you guys all updated. My mind probably just needs to recuperate, looked back on my answers for AAMC 9, and most of them were misinterpretations and not content.
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Yeah I am going take a break as well. I have been getting tired of these exams. I only took 9 fast because my score for 8 was a weird drop in verbal and I wanted to bring it back. But now I am going go back to some passages and more review, and do AAMC 10 and 11 within the last week.
 
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Hey brainiacs (Eghhm @Lamel and @enjoipanda ), quick question.

For buoyancy, (F=pgV) submerged objects of equal V experience the same buoyant F. But... For floating objects, different Volumes can experience the same F, if they have the same mass. They (SDNers of the past) say it's because a floating object will displace a volume of fluid of weight equal to its own weight (idk wtf this means lol). Can someone please explain this second part to me via the buoyancy equation? I don't understand where the mass of the object comes into play.
 
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Bbqchickenman said:
Hey brainiacs (Eghhm @Lamel and @enjoipanda ), quick question.

For buoyancy, (F=pgV) submerged objects of equal V experience the same buoyant F. But... For floating objects, different Volumes can experience the same F, if they have the same mass. They (SDNers of the past) say it's because a floating object will displace a volume of fluid of weight equal to its own weight (idk wtf this means lol). Can someone please explain this second part to me via the buoyancy equation? I don't understand where the mass of the object comes into play.
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. If the objects have the same masses, but different volumes, they have different densities. However if they are both floating, the buoyant force on them MUST be the same (newton's laws, the forces must balance; m*g = buoyant force), so the volume they displace must be equal. The Buoyant force is a property of the fluid.

The Buoyant Force on an object balances out its weight if the object is floating (makes sense right? Forces are balanced). The Force = density (of the fluid) * volume displaced (of the fluid) * gravity. The volume displaced of the fluid is equal to the submerged volume of the object.

For example, if a cube that is 1 x 1 x 1 cm floats on water (density = 1 g/mL), and half of it is submerged, then .5 x 1 x 1 is the volume of the cube that is submerged. This volume = volume of the fluid that is displaced.

So the F = (1 g/mL)(.5*1*1)(10) = 5 newtons.

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To better explain, the buoyant force is a force like any other, it follows the formula that F = m*a.

For a floating object, the buoyant force = weight of the object = m*g.

so Mass(object) * g = Density (fluid) * Volume (Fluid Displaced) * g; the g should cancel out on both sides.

So Mass (Object) = Density (fluid) * Volume (fluid displaced).


Remember that Density * Volume = mass.

So Mass (Object) = Mass (Fluid displaced).

So "They (SDNers of the past) say it's because a floating object will displace a volume of fluid of weight equal to its own weight" is true for floating objects.

For objects that have sunk, the amount of water displaced does not have the same mass as the object, and thus cannot provide sufficient buoyancy. For an object that sinks to the bottom, its weight is balanced by the buoyant force and the normal force at the bottom surface.
 
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Almost there, everyone!
I've really just not been feeling it this last week. It's pretty hard to finish strong at this point. Anyone else feel burned out?
 
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Hey everyone. So I have access to all of Chads videos for physics and gchem until April 20th. I just took the MCAT today so I won't be using them anymore. If anyone wants my login info to access the videos for the last couple weeks or so PM me. Good luck everyone!
 
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Hey guys.. I m done with exam..
Physical science ::: was ok..
Verbal passage:: very very long
Biological science :: critical passage make you think hard... Difficult
 
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patellati said:
Hey guys.. I m done with exam..
Physical science ::: was ok..
Verbal passage:: very very long
Biological science :: critical passage make you think hard... Difficult
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Congratulations!

How were your breakdowns before? Howd it compare to 10/11/kaplan?


Jan - Hard PS

March 22 - Ok PS

April 5 - Hard PS

April 11 - OK PS

April 24th - I'm *uckin toast
 
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Anyone else freaking out because you think our test will be TOUGH since the guys over at the 4/11 thread found their test to be surprisingly not so bad? Lol I am.

*shrugs* let's f*ck it up in 13 days!
 
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SOOyC52H1Sof said:
but its all relative to whomever it was that took the test.....
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I agree. At this stage there is no point in comparison on how easy or difficult the previous exams were . We have to do our best and hope the topic are in our favor. My boyfriend took his exam and felt that it was difficult and did poorly, ended up with a 40 on his exam! You never know until you get your score.
 
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Bbqchickenman said:
How are the TBR exams compared to AAMC and Kaplan? How about conpared to their passages?

Idk if i should buy one to add to 10/11 at this point...
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Not sure yet. I've scored higher on the BR exams, but that's only because I took AAMC 3-9 last year when I was going to take the exam. I ended up postponing. Last year before the exam is ranged from 27-30 scoring a 30 on #9 (however all my sciences were around 10-11. My low scores were because of my 6-8 scores in verbal). With the last 3 months of studying I feel as though my scores for AAMC 3-9 would definitely all be higher.
 
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SynapticDoctah said:
Not sure yet. I've scored higher on the BR exams, but that's only because I took AAMC 3-9 last year when I was going to take the exam. I ended up postponing. Last year before the exam is ranged from 27-30 scoring a 30 on #9 (however all my sciences were around 10-11. My low scores were because of my 6-8 scores in verbal). With the last 3 months of studying I feel as though my scores for AAMC 3-9 would definitely all be higher.
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Wow your scores poped up this time around! I thought I couldnt get higher than my 9-11 average on PS because im just not natural with that section, but your making me rethink that...

Im trying to squeeze in TBR passages in my weak areas these last 2 weeks
 
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Bbqchickenman said:
Wow your scores poped up this time around! I thought I couldnt get higher than my 9-11 average on PS because im just not natural with that section, but your making me rethink that...

Im trying to squeeze in TBR passages in my weak areas these last 2 weeks
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Well idk though yet. I scored around 11 on the last 2 TBR exams. According to everyone on here and TBR the 3rd exam (the one I just posted) is the hardest and the curve was very lenient I felt. I got 40/52 and that was considered a 13.
 
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SynapticDoctah said:
Well idk though yet. I scored around 11 on the last 2 TBR exams. According to everyone on here and TBR the 3rd exam (the one I just posted) is the hardest and the curve was very lenient I felt. I got 40/52 and that was considered a 13.
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Sounds like kaplan with their higher difficulty/easier curve
 
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SynapticDoctah said:
Well idk though yet. I scored around 11 on the last 2 TBR exams. According to everyone on here and TBR the 3rd exam (the one I just posted) is the hardest and the curve was very lenient I felt. I got 40/52 and that was considered a 13.
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Yeah without an understanding of the scaling the scores can be confusing. I made 36/52 on #3 and got an 11 but 38/52 on 4 and made a 9. I'm all screwed up emotionally: "Yay, less mistakes :-D, but WTF a 2 point drop." I don't know how to feel right now :-/

On #5 an 11 will be 43/52 which is precisely how AAMC would scale it.
 
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Karasu said:
Yeah without an understanding of the scaling the scores can be confusing. I made 36/52 on #3 and got an 11 but 38/52 on 4 and made a 9. I'm all screwed up emotionally: "Yay, less mistakes :-D, but WTF a 2 point drop." I don't know how to feel right now :-/

On #5 an 11 will be 43/52 which is precisely how AAMC would scale it.
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Yeah apparently 3 was harder though?
 
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SynapticDoctah said:
Haha, I did as well. I'm gonna be using AAMC 10 and 11 for my closest predictor. Wasn't I taking to you like last year? Your name sounds familiar?
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I don't think so. Last time I was here was 2012, and that was just to post the score I made. I'm generally the quiet lurker type.

It's been fun chatting though.

Edit: Time for bed, I can hardly type coherently.
 
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smoothbunzz said:
Just finished the AAMC SAP for physics and chemistry. How do these correlate?

Physics SAP -- 94%
Gen Chem SAP -- 91%

Also I have 3 AAMCs left. Should I spread these out or just finish them by next week?

All I have left are AAMC 9, 10, 11 and TBR MC questions (no way I am getting through all of them..)
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If you don't mind me asking, what'd you use to study for the PS section? Those are solid SA scores.
 
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Man less than two weeks guys!

I took AAMC 3 again (took it before last summer during my previous attempt to study)

Got a 34, which is by far the highest score I've gotten.

For the next however many days, I will be taking an AAMC, spending the next day reviewing incorrects and studying weaknesses, then redoing the PS/BS on AAMC 7-11 which I have already taken (29, 31, 32, 27, 27) again.

Good studying to everyone!
 
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Hey everyone I've been creeping on this post for a while now so I decided to join in. It's been so hard to stay motivated, but we're almost there.

Lamel said:
I went against judgment and took AAMC 9 today. Now I only have 2 exams for the rest of the 2 weeks (10 and 11). I think that should be okay though, I'll just focus on more BR passages and maybe self assessments.

My scores are coming out nicely, and I really hope I can replicate an AAMC 9 performance on the real thing. PS is definitely my strong suit, and I've been trying intensely to get Bio to 14 to no avail. Anyone who has scored 14-15 on bio, any advice?



That's so surprising, 8 was so much harder than 9 for verbal imo. Did you overthink too much?

Also do you just do them individually? I think simulating a real exam is better.
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I am in no way an MCAT expert, but I scored a 14 on bio on AAMC 5 but then went down to a 13 on 7. I think knowing the basic biology concepts, like the central dogma, and applying the concepts to the tricky questions helps. I am a biology major though so I've had a lot of upper division biology electives too and those have helped me -- genetics, biochem, cell bio. I don't focus on the passages for bio; I practically skim them and refer back if I need to.

I need to buckle down and take AAMC 8 tomorrow and 9 on Tuesday. Can't wait for this to be over...
 
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Im getting tired of studying.. pretty much dont feel like doing this anymore. Im now just dedicating myself to practicing Verbal and Biology content. In the last week, I am going to attack EK 1001 for all subjects.


Had a bit of a realization with Verbal the other day:
I realized that I can now focus on passages much better than I could previously. I can now think about the passage while reading it simultaneously. I notice when I miss questions in Verbal passages, its usually 1 or 2 entire passages that I completely mess up on (and practically get EVERY question wrong), and then pretty much get all the questions right for all of the other passages. I think the reason is there is a certain type of passage my techniques dont work on, like when a passage talks about a TON of people briefly or refers to history, but does it in a historically, nonlinear manner.

Sometimes I miss a line/phrase/etc in my initial speed reading, and it skews my perception about what the article was about. And then missing that one thing will affect my performance on that passage as mentioned above.

So, does anyone here who consistently scores around a 12 and above on Verbal? Do you have different techniques for different passages? or is just one technique you are able to apply to all passages.
 
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HiloH said:
If you don't mind me asking, what'd you use to study for the PS section? Those are solid SA scores.
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I think TBR review material helped me out quite a bit here. You start to get a feel of the tricks AAMC will try to throw you, especially for conceptual PS questions. Good luck dude!
 
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SOOyC52H1Sof said:
Im getting tired of studying.. pretty much dont feel like doing this anymore. Im now just dedicating myself to practicing Verbal and Biology content. In the last week, I am going to attack EK 1001 for all subjects.


Had a bit of a realization with Verbal the other day:
I realized that I can now focus on passages much better than I could previously. I can now think about the passage while reading it simultaneously. I notice when I miss questions in Verbal passages, its usually 1 or 2 entire passages that I completely mess up on (and practically get EVERY question wrong), and then pretty much get all the questions right for all of the other passages. I think the reason is there is a certain type of passage my techniques dont work on, like when a passage talks about a TON of people briefly or refers to history, but does it in a historically, nonlinear manner.

Sometimes I miss a line/phrase/etc in my initial speed reading, and it skews my perception about what the article was about. And then missing that one thing will affect my performance on that passage as mentioned above.

So, does anyone here who consistently scores around a 12 and above on Verbal? Do you have different techniques for different passages? or is just one technique you are able to apply to all passages.
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I am in no means an expert in Verbal, but something that helped me for today's Verbal on AAMC 9 was just trying to get in the zone. I encountered long and somewhat obscure passages but simply tried to glean the author's voice on the matter and see what he was trying to say. This really helps on the long and convuluted (sp?) passages with lots of stupid and unnecessary information. Remember, the tougher the passage is, the more you want to simply read it for a basic takeaway. Use the questions to bolster your understanding of the passage.

Not sure if you guys would care to do this so late in the game but I tried starting with the science passage first in the verbal since my mind is still in a "sciency" mode after taking PS. It serves as somewhat a buffer to activate your mind before delving into some philosophical debate on existentialism. It has actually helped me in building confidence for verbal since I am not very strong on it.

Manage to get my highest verbal ever this morning on AAMC 9 (14). Still a lot of luck involved (as is always with verbal).
 
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smoothbunzz said:
I think TBR review material helped me out quite a bit here. You start to get a feel of the tricks AAMC will try to throw you, especially for conceptual PS questions. Good luck dude!
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I had a feeling you'd say TBR! I have the book set for PS, I'm going to start bustin' through those tomorrow. How long do you think it'll take me to finish the 20 chapters? I have no job, classes, responsibilities, etc.

One more Q, (sorry :laugh:) how do you feel like the passages prepared you for the AAMC tests? Is the wording similar for both? Or are they a lot different?

Good luck to you too! Hope you tear it up!!
 
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HiloH said:
I had a feeling you'd say TBR! I have the book set for PS, I'm going to start bustin' through those tomorrow. How long do you think it'll take me to finish the 20 chapters? I have no job, classes, responsibilities, etc.

One more Q, (sorry :laugh:) how do you feel like the passages prepared you for the AAMC tests? Is the wording similar for both? Or are they a lot different?

Good luck to you too! Hope you tear it up!!
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Not to butt myself into your converstaion, but i think TBR is excellent for review, and their passages help solidify the material. But the answers in the back may seem a bit patronizing. Also, TBR gets to a point where its just overkill. Sometimes there are too many passages with the same concepts, so its like answering the same question/topic over and over. Its good if you REALLY want to get it down.
 
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SOOyC52H1Sof said:
Not to butt myself into your converstaion, but i think TBR is excellent for review, and their passages help solidify the material. But the answers in the back may seem a bit patronizing. Also, TBR gets to a point where its just overkill. Sometimes there are too many passages with the same concepts, so its like answering the same question/topic over and over. Its good if you REALLY want to get it down.
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Not at all! I love different viewpoints on TBR, ive been contemplating using it for a while. Are you referring to all TBR books as overkill or just the PS books? I feel like the bio was a bit overkill after doing one chapter. Lemme know what you think! 🙂
 
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HiloH said:
Not at all! I love different viewpoints on TBR, ive been contemplating using it for a while. Are you referring to all TBR books as overkill or just the PS books? I feel like the bio was a bit overkill after doing one chapter. Lemme know what you think! 🙂
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I think TBR Gen Chem are Physics are both VERY good. I like that TBR stresses quick math skills in the Physics portion, but in that same section, some of their questions are tricky, so you can get discouraged from them. EVERY comment in the answers in the back all say, pick this answer to know that you are great. Well if you got it wrong, that is the only reason you would look for the explanation, so its just seemed a bit condescending, like the author is a hot shot.

Whoever wrote the Biology section honestly needs to have a talk with the person who oversaw the production of this book. I read through 2/5 of the book, and then when I got to the second half, Good Lord. Who the heck made the person go through all of that. And then to write millions of passages for each of those sections. It was a waste of time for the author and any student who actually goes through it all. I genuinely felt bad for the author. It was overkill.

And then there's organic. Ohh Organic Chem..... Really, nobody really cares about you. We like your general concepts, but honestly we talk about you behind your back, you really suck.

No comment on TBR Organic. Im probably going to have a look at that section soon.
 
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SOOyC52H1Sof said:
I think TBR Gen Chem are Physics are both VERY good. I like that TBR stresses quick math skills in the Physics portion, but in that same section, some of their questions are tricky, so you can get discouraged from them. EVERY comment in the answers in the back all say, pick this answer to know that you are great. Well if you got it wrong, that is the only reason you would look for the explanation, so its just seemed a bit condescending, like the author is a hot shot.

Whoever wrote the Biology section honestly needs to have a talk with the person who oversaw the production of this book. I read through 2/5 of the book, and then when I got to the second half, Good Lord. Who the heck made the person go through all of that. And then to write millions of passages for each of those sections. It was a waste of time for the author and any student who actually goes through it all. I genuinely felt bad for the author. It was overkill.

And then there's organic. Ohh Organic Chem..... Really, nobody really cares about you. We like your general concepts, but honestly we talk about you behind your back, you really suck.

No comment on TBR Organic. Im probably going to have a look at that section soon.
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Lmaoo this is great! I was procrastinating the other day and going through some threads. I looked through the April 5th, 2014 mcat thread and a lot of people were saying the BS section was really difficult, and how they wished they used TBR bio to study. Idk about all that though. I might just open up my human physio book for some topics I need more info on? Idk, i'll figure it out soon i guess.
 
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Lmaoo this is great! I was procrastinating the other day and going through some threads. I looked through the April 5th, 2014 mcat thread and a lot of people were saying the BS section was really difficult, and how they wished they used TBR bio to study. Idk about all that though. I might just open up my human physio book for some topics I need more info on? Idk, i'll figure it out soon i guess.
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I think TPR has the best biology review. My undergrad was in Mech. Engineering, so Physics was my entire degree. Thu, Bio was the most difficult for me b/c I took it so long ago, and there is so many intricate things to know about it. Sure many answers are in the passage, but I think they test knowledge based on underlying concepts that you really need to have down.

I think you can supplement the first half of TBR with TPR. But the second part of TBR is just too much.
 
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