The surgical resident personality/lifestyle vs. a medicine resident

[LebronManning]

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I don't mean lifestyle by hours, but rather the way of life. Is it just me or do surgical residents/attendings seem like cooler people than medicine guys? Lol. Medicine people just seem more nerdy.

Are surgeons a more tight knit group than medicine residents? There seems to be more camaraderie between the surgeons.

In an academic hospital, are surgical residents generally regarded better than medicine residents?

This might be shallow, but do the females in the hospital find the surgeons more attractive than normal physicians. Do female physicians find the surgical guys more attractive than their medicine peers due to the perceived increase prestige of surgery?

 

[mikeGR]

Short answer: Yes to all of the above. And there is serious research backing it up: Phenotypic differences between male physicians, surgeons, and film stars: comparative study | The BMJ

 

[HotLamps]

How do surgeons become taller and better looking than physicians?
There are several potential explanations for the phenotypic changes between surgeons and physicians. Firstly, surgeons spend a lot of time in operating rooms, which are cleaner, cooler, and have a higher oxygen content than the average medical ward, where physicians spend most of their time. Furthermore, surgeons protect (but not always properly) their faces with surgical masks, a barrier to facial microtrauma, and perhaps an effective anti-ageing device (which deserves further testing). They often wear clog-type shoes, a confounding factor that adds 2-3 cm to their perceived height. The incidental finding that fewer surgeons are bald might be related to these environmental conditions and to the use of surgical caps.

In contrast, senior physicians are surrounded by fewer people in their habitat (the patient's bedside and the office), and they therefore have less need to be easily identified or spotted by families and nurses in the middle of a swarm. Physicians tend to hang heavy stethoscopes around their necks, which bows their heads forward and reduces their perceived height. They also complain of a (clearly abnormal) need to endlessly update their knowledge in accordance with the current evidence based approach to medicine by reading and studying heaps of medical journals; this overload of information further grinds them down. Although a prospective study found that doctor's white coats decrease in weight with increasing seniority, no significant difference was found between the mean weight of physicians' coats and surgeons' coats (1.4 v 1.5 kg).

BMJ 2006;333:1291

 

[HotLamps]

Possibly the most informative piece of research I've ever read!

 

[WedgeDawg]

Moving to pre-allo as OP is a premed

 

[WingedOx]

This might be shallow, but do the females in the hospital find the surgeons more attractive than normal physicians.

This makes you sound creepy. Don't do this.

 

[NotASerialKiller]

I don't mean lifestyle by hours, but rather the way of life. Is it just me or do surgical residents/attendings seem like cooler people than medicine guys? Lol. Medicine people just seem more nerdy.

Are surgeons a more tight knit group than medicine residents? There seems to be more camaraderie between the surgeons.

In an academic hospital, are surgical residents generally regarded better than medicine residents?

This might be shallow, but do the females in the hospital find the surgeons more attractive than normal physicians. Do female physicians find the surgical guys more attractive than their medicine peers due to the perceived increase prestige of surgery?

All of your questions have the same answer:

That was an incredibly stupid question

 

[RogueUnicorn]

I don't mean lifestyle by hours, but rather the way of life. Is it just me or do surgical residents/attendings seem like cooler people than medicine guys? Lol. Medicine people just seem more nerdy.

This is accurate. Medicine is for weenies. I often given them wedgies on my way to the ED. Then to rub salt into their wounds I get the patients admitted to medicine. Hold on brb.

Are surgeons a more tight knit group than medicine residents? There seems to be more camaraderie between the surgeons.

Sorry I was busy stuffing a medicine intern into a locker. Where were we? Oh yea - the typical surgical program is going to be like ~1/5 to 1/10 the size of an equivalent medicine program at the same hospital, so you're just going to see a tighter bond. It also helps that we hang out in the locker room together and slapping asses and high-fives while giving medicine residents swirlies.

In an academic hospital, are surgical residents generally regarded better than medicine residents?

At surgery, usually

Do female physicians find the surgical guys more attractive than their medicine peers due to the perceived increase prestige of surgery?

Female physicians, like male physicians, are usually not looking to bang people at work. Hope this answers all your Qs, gotta jet bc I heard there's a science fair at the IM call room and an orgy in the surgical one.

 

[Peach Newport]

A study comparing the raw sex appeal of male surgeons vs. doctors in Spain? I would seriously hesitate to generalize those findings to the USA.

 

[ODea]

I can tell OP is a future surgeon!

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

This makes you sound creepy. Don't do this.

How is that creepy?

 

[LizzyM]

How do surgeons become taller and better looking than physicians?


BMJ 2006;333:1291

I could have guessed that this was the final issue of the calendar year. BMJ always prints a few amusing papers and reports in the Christmas issue.

 

[VincentAdultman]

Never change OP. Never change.

 

[Dr. Stalker]

Never change OP. Never change.

Stay gold, Ponyboy

 

[OrthoTraumaMD]

Yes to all


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[TypeADissection]

There seems to be an infatuation with how good-looking us surgeons are. And it's about time.

 

[DPTinthemaking15]

The Todd likes where this is going. "Surgeons-are-hot five."

Edit: Be sure to show Todd some love.

 

[Piglet2020]

Ahh scrubs memes

 

[Princeton Medical Student]

How is that creepy?

It makes it sound like OP is putting at least a part of the decision into making himself attractive to the opposite sex, neglecting the fact that who women are attracted to is down to taste (and rarely does that taste indicate a medical specialty).

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

It makes it sound like OP is putting at least a part of the decision into making himself attractive to the opposite sex, neglecting the fact that who women are attracted to is down to taste (and rarely does that taste indicate a medical specialty).

He was specifically responding to the OP’s use of the term females. Not sure why that word is creepier than saying women.

 

[Wiesal]

It makes it sound like OP is putting at least a part of the decision into making himself attractive to the opposite sex, neglecting the fact that who women are attracted to is down to taste (and rarely does that taste indicate a medical specialty).

Sounds like a hypercritical and unpolite reply.

 

[BuckStrickland]

How do surgeons become taller and better looking than physicians?
There are several potential explanations for the phenotypic changes between surgeons and physicians. Firstly, surgeons spend a lot of time in operating rooms, which are cleaner, cooler, and have a higher oxygen content than the average medical ward, where physicians spend most of their time. Furthermore, surgeons protect (but not always properly) their faces with surgical masks, a barrier to facial microtrauma, and perhaps an effective anti-ageing device (which deserves further testing). They often wear clog-type shoes, a confounding factor that adds 2-3 cm to their perceived height. The incidental finding that fewer surgeons are bald might be related to these environmental conditions and to the use of surgical caps.

In contrast, senior physicians are surrounded by fewer people in their habitat (the patient's bedside and the office), and they therefore have less need to be easily identified or spotted by families and nurses in the middle of a swarm. Physicians tend to hang heavy stethoscopes around their necks, which bows their heads forward and reduces their perceived height. They also complain of a (clearly abnormal) need to endlessly update their knowledge in accordance with the current evidence based approach to medicine by reading and studying heaps of medical journals; this overload of information further grinds them down. Although a prospective study found that doctor's white coats decrease in weight with increasing seniority, no significant difference was found between the mean weight of physicians' coats and surgeons' coats (1.4 v 1.5 kg).

BMJ 2006;333:1291

1.4 v 1.5 kg xD o god im dying, its in parentheses too

 

[LebronManning]

Lol I created this thread to learn how much truth there was to those stereotypes in real life. I'm still a pre-med, but I scribe in an inner city ED and see some of it, but wonder how much of it is true upstairs in the inpatient parts of the hospital. Kind've knew I was gonna get grilled, but YOLO. I'd rather get clowned on here than ask the residents and attendings I work with lol. Probably shouldn't have included that last question though.

 

[tiff]

OP your best bet is to keep moving forward and focus on your studies. One day you'll realize that the females in the hospital drooling over surgeons based solely on the dollar signs they see in their eyes or the "perceived increase prestige of surgery" aren't the gals for you.

Find yourself a nice girl who can cook and take good care of your future kids because here's the truth, at the end of the day (and believe you me, you'll have long ones) status won't keep you warm at night, but a belly full of food and a loving family will.