The Under 3.0 Club part 01

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ajy1013 said:
I give up for this year's entering class...

I was in your shoes last year. Keep your head up and dont quit. Start getting everything ready for the next cycle, starting now. Submit your application in May or June at the latest. Talk to adcoms about what they suggest. Retake the DAT if they recommend it. Take some upper level courses and get A's.

You gotta start taking action now and it will work out. Dont give up.
 
Rezdawg said:
I was in your shoes last year. Keep your head up and dont quit. Start getting everything ready for the next cycle, starting now. Submit your application in May or June at the latest. Talk to adcoms about what they suggest. Retake the DAT if they recommend it. Take some upper level courses and get A's.

You gotta start taking action now and it will work out. Dont give up.

Thanks for the advice bro. I am in the process of taking two grad. level courses, and am taking a slew of other courses over the course of the summer and this upcoming Fall semester. I also plan on starting my personal statement next week (Spring Break) so that it will be ready to copy and paste into infosource as soon as the 2006 cycle starts.

And I'm not giving up on Dental School (don't know what else I would do...). I'm just giving up for this year. 😀

Best of luck to the rest of ya'll. 👍
 
First of all these are my opinions:

1. YES!!! Post-bac is a great way to improve on a low undergrad. You also want to do some definite research at the school you choose, volunteering at a community dental clinic (like a free clinic or something), shadowing a dentist, and other community service.

2. I would say go to a school with a strong SCIENCE post-bacc program....usually state schools (could also be private) with good research are ones that i would look for.

3. yes, i would recommend finishing in 1 year.....but the most important thing here is to....GET GOOD GRADES...after all thats why ur taking the post-bacc right? 🙂

4. ?? I havent heard of anything like that...but i did hear that UCLA Post-baccs have a VERY high acceptance into UCLA MED (this is what i heard so take it with a grain of salt).

Good luck!

bluekty said:
I need opinions guys...

1. so... will getting good grades in a post-bacc program definately raise the chance to get accepted no matter how the undergrad GPA was?

2. would it make difference getting a post-bacc certificate degree in a state university like CSU or in a well-known university (ex. Loma Linda)

3. do you think it is possible to finish a post-bacc program in 2 quarters (like spring and summer quarters) and apply for this year again? I meant...i need to take 24 quarter units for the post-bacc programs. will it be hard or too much taking 12 units per quarter?

4. is there any program leads into dental school?
 
yeap joining the club...ive applied all over and interviewed at AZ in mid december and got waitlisted at Creighton. Havent heard from AZ 🙁 ........ I went into this cycle knowing that I probably have to reapply, but its a lot harder to deal with when it actually comes. my dat's were 18/18/16 so im not shocked i havent heard from schools. , still waiting to hear from 8 more schools, but most likely they'll all come at once...grrrrr.... I'm lookin at post bacc programs and hopefully ill get into somewhere next year
 
Can you tell me where are you doing your post-bacc program at? I know creighton has a dental post bacc program, however their deadline was march 9th

bluekty said:
sorry to bring this up again but i am very confused...
i hope you guys can help me.
i am starting my post-bacc program soon and appying for coming cycle.
i am wondering where i put the grades from the post-bacc... grad or undergrad?
obviously post-bacc programs usually require upper division courses but those are still undergrad courses.
but it says in the school catalog "thses courses may be applied toward master’s degree requirements"

in AADSAS :"A graduate course is one for which you earned graduate credit (i.e., credit hours toward a graduate degree)."
"A undergraduate course is one for which you earned undergraduate credit (i.e., credit hours toward a undergraduate degree)."

if the courses that i am gonna take are toward a post-bacc certificate... then what???
thanks ahead guys..
 
leolid said:
yeap joining the club...ive applied all over and interviewed at AZ in mid december and got waitlisted at Creighton. Havent heard from AZ 🙁 ........ I went into this cycle knowing that I probably have to reapply, but its a lot harder to deal with when it actually comes. my dat's were 18/18/16 so im not shocked i havent heard from schools. , still waiting to hear from 8 more schools, but most likely they'll all come at once...grrrrr.... I'm lookin at post bacc programs and hopefully ill get into somewhere next year


what was your GPA?
 
Dentist 2 be said:
what was your GPA?

haha my gpa was barely a 3.0 and science was like a 2.7. I really messed up my first two years of college and barely passed however I averaged 3.6 my last two so there was a lot of improvement. i decided to become a dentist about a year ago and ended up applying in oct, so i am grateful that I even got an interview and got waitlisted...but man the app process the second time around is painful. sooooo dreading it
 
bouncy_ball said:
Not really. I had to take a few post-bac classes to meet dental prereqs, but it was limited to about 4 classes. I took my DATs 2x. First time 19/21/17, Second 24/26/18. Although my second set of scores are high, I really think that anyone who puts in their greatest effort can do equally well or better!

Nice scores what study tools did you use to get those scores. All advice is taken.
 
Hey guys. I've been reading posts here for countless months and have never posted anything bc I guess there wasn't much I had wanted to say that hasn't been said already...but FINALLY I have something to say...!

My stats:

AADSAS #60**
Cumm. GPA: 3.0
Scinece GPA: 2.8
DAT: 19/19/16
Major: Molecular Biology
Schools applied: UOP, UCLA, USC, UCSF, UNLV, NYU, BU, Tufts, Temple, UPenn, UPitt, Indiana, Maryland, UMich (maybe one more can't remember)
Rejected: UOP, UCLA, UNLV, Tufts, Temple, UPenn, UPitt, Indiana, Maryland
Interviewed: UMich
Accepted: UMich
Attending: obviously, UMich

Good luck to everyone...and just remember it CAN be done!
 
hope_faith said:
Hey guys. I've been reading posts here for countless months and have never posted anything bc I guess there wasn't much I had wanted to say that hasn't been said already...but FINALLY I have something to say...!

My stats:

AADSAS #60**
Cumm. GPA: 3.0
Scinece GPA: 2.8
DAT: 19/19/16
Major: Molecular Biology
Schools applied: UOP, UCLA, USC, UCSF, UNLV, NYU, BU, Tufts, Temple, UPenn, UPitt, Indiana, Maryland, UMich (maybe one more can't remember)
Rejected: UOP, UCLA, UNLV, Tufts, Temple, UPenn, UPitt, Indiana, Maryland
Interviewed: UMich
Accepted: UMich
Attending: obviously, UMich

Good luck to everyone...and just remember it CAN be done!


you're a MI resident right?
 
hope_faith said:
My stats:

AADSAS #60**
Cumm. GPA: 3.0
Scinece GPA: 2.8
DAT: 19/19/16
Interviewed: UMich
Accepted: UMich
Attending: obviously, UMich

Another success story! Congrats! Were you on the alternate list at first or did you just interview late and were accepted? Regardless, please feel free to share your experiences with others as it may provide others with guidance and hope. One last thing, technically, your 3.0 cumulative GPA does not qualify you to be in this "Club" since under a 3.0 GPA is required in all GPAs for membership. Your journey experience is still greatly valued so please do share with others.

Club CEO/President
 
mcg09dmd said:
Hope there is room for another under 3.0 inductee.

My story starts like many others. I knew I wanted to go into the field of Dental Medicine back in high school. I even worked in an Orthodontic office back then. However, I went off to college and did not come close to living up to my potential. I finally graduated with a B.A. in Biology, but decided my last year to forgo applying to Dental School or even taking the DAT. With a 2.75 overall gpa and 2.80 science gpa and only the Ortho experience in high school, I knew it was not going to happen.

Well, I turned my frustration with my situation into something positive. I still wanted to be successful at something. So, I ventured off and opened my own business. It was very successful right from the beginning, but after 3 years at that I just could not get rid of my obsession with teeth! I decided, since my business could support it, to go back to school on my own to prove myself academically. After one semester classified as postbac, I decided to just go for the graduate degree. I studied for 3 months non-stop for the DAT. I felt very unsure about it since it had been years since I had gen bio and gen chem courses. I came out with a 19/19/18. I shadowed a dentist for about 40 hours and a periodontist for 10 hours. I worked with several professors to tailor independent studies toward my interest in Dentistry. I was able to take courses in Dental Science, Periodontology, and Oral Immunity. I became a graduate assistant and taught Biology labs to freshman biology majors. I had no time for volunteering so I worked with a local high school special ed dept to teach job skills to a special ed student at my business. As you can see, I worked my tail off for the last 2 years.

I applied to MCG this past year. (I certainly don't advocate applying to only one school. I applied only to MCG because my business is in Georgia, and we thought my wife would have to continue to run it were I accepted.) At the time of my application, my cum GPA was a 2.97 and BCP was a 3.25. However, my GPA for the graduate program was a 3.76 cum and 3.76 sciences. I received my acceptance letter this December. So, yes I am 30 going off to Dental School but better late than never for sure.

I only found the SDN forums recently. I wish I had seen the inspirational messages on this board 2 years ago. However, it is still great to read all the posts and hear of others who were/are in my same situation. I am proof that if you have an under 3.0 GPA that with a lot of effort and hard work you can turn that around. Best of luck to everyone out there!

Another success story! Congrats and welcome to the club! Good luck at MCG this coming fall and you'll have a blast! With your life experiences in the work force, you'll be sure to bring attributes to your class. Thanks for sharing your story with us.

Club CEO/President
 
I came across this discussion forum and this is great. I graduated with a undergraduate degree in Actuarial Science (math) /Finance in 2003. I am working corporate but have come to think that I want to pursue dental school. I only have a 2.9 gpa and need to take all the required science classes before I can even apply (took no science classes in college). I want to know what kind of chances I have in getting accepted into a dental program? I was thinking about taking classes at a community college nearby but do most schools accept science coursework from community colleges? Would they base admission criteria on my previous coursework or mostly the science classes? I would appreciate any advice. thanks.
 
Yah-E said:
Another success story! Congrats! Were you on the alternate list at first or did you just interview late and were accepted? Regardless, please feel free to share your experiences with others as it may provide others with guidance and hope. One last thing, technically, your 3.0 cumulative GPA does not qualify you to be in this "Club" since under a 3.0 GPA is required in all GPAs for membership. Your journey experience is still greatly valued so please do share with others.

Club CEO/President

Thanks! No, I just interviewed late and just got my acceptance letter on Friday. I guess I got really lucky. Actually my I graduated with something around 2.8 overall gpa but right after I graduated I took a bunch of classes at a jc (ie..stat, microbio, spanish...can't remember what else) and got all A's there, which boosted my overall gpa to a 3.0. AADSAS just calculated all my classes together. And no, I'm not a Michigan resident but I suppose my dental background did play a factor into their decision. I've known that I wanted to be a dentist for quite a while now and I have been able to shadow a dentist, work at a dental lab, work in a pedo office and volunteered at a dental clinic. If anyone has any questions about how I was able to gain all those experiences or whatnot I'd be more than happy to answer them.
 
Tooth Fixer said:
Nice scores what study tools did you use to get those scores. All advice is taken.

thanks! i primarily used the kaplan dat blue book and the topscore cd. these two are the must haves. other books i used were barron's for pat only (the science sections are horrible, full of elementary mistakes), kaplan's organic edge, and examkrackers 1001 organic q's. it's a lot but if you can buy the books used, it won't hurt your pockets too bad. good luck w/ your studies!
 
I want to join the sub 3.0 club!

2.66 SCIENCE GPA baby! Not a single A in a science class, EVER! 3.1 overall GPA.

got into NYU and Penn, waiting to hear from SC/Buf/SB
 
mvs04 said:
I want to join the sub 3.0 club!

3.1 overall GPA.

Application to club denied due to reason above! 😀 But congrats on your acceptances. 👍
 
Yah-E said:
Application to club denied due to reason above! 😀 But congrats on your acceptances. 👍

would it help my club application if I explained that the 3.1 was from dance classes? 🙂

uhh, I though I need to clarify: no I'm not some weird eskimo-native american-black minority from the ghettos whose parents were veterans
 
wow congrats for acceptances mvs04. the only interview i got so far is bu. rejected from nyu, buff, and umdnj.
no acceptances yet, but cant expect much considering i applied in jan.
 
bluekty said:
sorry to bring this up again but i am very confused...
i hope you guys can help me.
i am starting my post-bacc program soon and appying for coming cycle.
i am wondering where i put the grades from the post-bacc... grad or undergrad?
obviously post-bacc programs usually require upper division courses but those are still undergrad courses.
but it says in the school catalog "thses courses may be applied toward master’s degree requirements"

in AADSAS :"A graduate course is one for which you earned graduate credit (i.e., credit hours toward a graduate degree)."
"A undergraduate course is one for which you earned undergraduate credit (i.e., credit hours toward a undergraduate degree)."

if the courses that i am gonna take are toward a post-bacc certificate... then what???
thanks ahead guys..


Hi,

I don't know if you're still looking for an answer to your questions. But here it is anyway. 😀

Well, I was in a worse situation. My undergrad GPA was about a 2.5 (or even worse) but I did have a Masters Degree and I got around a 3.6 there. When I interviewed with various schools I was told the grad GPA was helpful to get me the interview but only the undergrad GPA was used in the acceptance calculation. (as you know, most schools have a formula even if they don't tell you) If you don't actually have a Masters Degree, putting your post bac grades in a separate field will only hurt you because you can't use them to raise your GPA.

Hope this info is useful.
 
sucky GPA said:
Hi,

I don't know if you're still looking for an answer to your questions. But here it is anyway. 😀

Well, I was in a worse situation. My undergrad GPA was about a 2.5 (or even worse) but I did have a Masters Degree and I got around a 3.6 there. When I interviewed with various schools I was told the grad GPA was helpful to get me the interview but only the undergrad GPA was used in the acceptance calculation. (as you know, most schools have a formula even if they don't tell you) If you don't actually have a Masters Degree, putting your post bac grades in a separate field will only hurt you because you can't use them to raise your GPA.

Hope this info is useful.
So have you gotten in anywhere with that GPA?
 
Yah-E.. What if you're not attending a post bacculerate school. Is that ok. Because thats where Im at, Im just taking the basic prerequistes and hopefully trying to get in. with an Awesome dat score hopefully??
 
Denro said:
Yah-E.. What if you're not attending a post bacculerate school. Is that ok. Because thats where Im at, Im just taking the basic prerequistes and hopefully trying to get in. with an Awesome dat score hopefully??

I think the fundamental approach to the low GPA applicant needs to be: I need to have awesome "something" in order to get in.... be it DATs, job experiences, etc.
 
If anybody has done the PPAC with there school advisors. I have some questions about that, because I have a low overral gpa and some of the questions for the applications are kinda tough. I was wondering if the PPAC application is seen by the dental schools. Im also nervous about releasing my SATs scores and my high school gpa. Do they really care what you did in high school. Geez why does dental school have to be all nosy.. crap. Im getting fustrated with my application.
 
Denro said:
If anybody has done the PPAC with there school advisors. I have some questions about that, because I have a low overral gpa and some of the questions for the applications are kinda tough. I was wondering if the PPAC application is seen by the dental schools. Im also nervous about releasing my SATs scores and my high school gpa. Do they really care what you did in high school. Geez why does dental school have to be all nosy.. crap. Im getting fustrated with my application.

what is PPAC? Only one school I applied to (Buffalo) asked for a high school transcript...
 
mvs04 said:
what is PPAC? Only one school I applied to (Buffalo) asked for a high school transcript...


mvs tell me how to get a 25 on the dat!???!!!!!!!!! How long did you study for it? 😕
 
Denro, out of curiosity, are you from Auburn University? If not, I did not know that other schools had the same kind of committee.
 
Hey AUtigers,

Im not from auburn, I go to a school in north texas and we have this thing called the PPAC, which is a separate application process from AAEDA. But basically its an evaluation from the advisory committe at your school and they send it to AAEDA. Its supposedly gives you an extra edge thats about it. The committe sends in a one page summary about you. But its also good because it allows to have mock interviews and sample application questions.
 
Denro said:
Hey AUtigers,

Im not from auburn, I go to a school in north texas and we have this thing called the PPAC, which is a separate application process from AAEDA. But basically its an evaluation from the advisory committe at your school and they send it to AAEDA. Its supposedly gives you an extra edge thats about it. The committe sends in a one page summary about you. But its also good because it allows to have mock interviews and sample application questions.


Yeah, I am kind of currently going through that too right now.About your question, I don't think the schools see the PPAC application,just that letter.
 
UNC-DDS said:
Why do you have to be "some weird eskimo-native american, black minority" to live in the ghetto. Not all minorities live in the ghetto. If we had what was initially ours from the geginning of slavery times, we wouldn't be at such disadvantages,but thanks to your ancestors, We Are!!There's nothing wrong with helping minorities along the way since what are ancestors had was STOLEN away. I think you should show minorities a little more respect!!!! What would you think if you were as disadvantaged. It wasn't like we chose to be that way!!! Thank You.

I don't think that's what he was implying. He was just running down a laundry list of special circumstances that admission committees take into account when considering someone with less than average stats, and in a joking manner. Lighten up, and lose the "victim" mentality too. It's grossly unfair to go accusing every non-minority's ancestors as being the cause of all your problems. How is that attitude any better than some white supremacist accusing his misfortunes on all minorities?
 
UNC-DDS said:
If we had what was initially ours from the beginning of slavery times, we wouldn't be at such disadvantages,but thanks to your ancestors, We Are!!There's nothing wrong with helping minorities along the way since what are ancestors had was STOLEN away.

Can you refresh us as to what was initially yours at the beginning of slavery times? And what was stolen away?

If you're Native-American, this land was yours and stolen away, then I understand....just not the slavery part...(im dumb so excuse me if this is a dumb question)
 
UNC-DDS said:
I guess they didn't include minority history in your textbooks either. You do the research!!! That's why your'e not knowledgeable of the facts. And this conversation is over!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Haha... thats right.... a lot of history seems to be neglected in textbooks these days. But from what the US Public School system told me, is that the colonial americans, and other nations bought/traded/stole Africans from Africa to be used as slaves in different parts of the world. So initially slaves had nothing, no rights, and no property...and were GIVEN rights and property by ancestors.
 
The Godfather said:
I don't think that's what he was implying. He was just running down a laundry list of special circumstances that admission committees take into account when considering someone with less than average stats, and in a joking manner. Lighten up, and lose the "victim" mentality too. It's grossly unfair to go accusing every non-minority's ancestors as being the cause of all your problems. How is that attitude any better than some white supremacist accusing his misfortunes on all minorities?

I agree with you, Godfather.

For the record, I'm a minority.

UNC chick, lighten up a bit. I know race is a touchy subject here on SDN. Believe me, coming onto a board with attitude will only make members look down upon you. My advice to you is to not dwell in the past. If you want people to notice the good things about your background, show them with your actions. Putting people down with harsh tones only makes you lose credability with others.

That being said, good luck with your application cycle.

Hi 3.0 club. Way to go with the inspirational stories. You give hope to many on these boards. 😛
 
JakeMUSC said:
Haha... thats right.... a lot of history seems to be neglected in textbooks these days. But from what the US Public School system told me, is that the colonial americans, and other nations bought/traded/stole Africans from Africa to be used as slaves in different parts of the world. So initially slaves had nothing, no rights, and no property...and were GIVEN rights and property by ancestors.

Correct (although we can assume that some had these things in their native countries), but that info is so old school. Haven't you heard? Nowadays facts don't matter. Pick and choose whatever revisionist claptrap suits your agenda and feed it to the kids! Publishers are more than willing to sell this crap in order to make a few bucks. Heaven forbid they provide information instead of indoctrination. 😕
 
not every caucasian man was a slave holder. i am caucasian and none of my family members were slave holders. why should every caucasian haveto pay for the sins or misdoings of other people?
 
For those that are just joining us and are thoroughly confused, check out above responses for the original source material which has been since deleted by original poster. Either that, or several of us have fallen prey to mass hallucinations.
 
IcemanDDS said:
So have you gotten in anywhere with that GPA?




I knew I had to do something spetacular to get noticed so I studied for the DAT like hell. I ended up with a 21 AA, 21 PAT and 26 QA. It wasn't as good as I wanted but it did open up some doors for me. I got 4 interviews out of about 20 schools I applied to. I got in one, waitlisted on two and got a flat rejection from the last one.
 
sucky GPA said:
I knew I had to do something spetacular to get noticed so I studied for the DAT like hell. I ended up with a 21 AA, 21 PAT and 26 QA. It wasn't as good as I wanted but it did open up some doors for me. I got 4 interviews out of about 20 schools I applied to. I got in one, waitlisted on two and got a flat rejection from the last one.

Congrats on the score, those are some solid numbers. Where are you going to be going?
 
sucky GPA said:
I knew I had to do something spetacular to get noticed so I studied for the DAT like hell. I ended up with a 21 AA, 21 PAT and 26 QA. It wasn't as good as I wanted but it did open up some doors for me. I got 4 interviews out of about 20 schools I applied to. I got in one, waitlisted on two and got a flat rejection from the last one.

Wow that's still pretty high. Congrats!
How did you study for the DAT? Did you use the Kaplan prep book only?
 
This is a real cool thread. It's nice to know that I am not the only one with a <3.0 GPA. I got this straight from NYU's website. What's going on here?

"Consideration will be given to students with at least a G.P.A. of 3.5 who have completed 90 credits (including all prerequisite courses) at an accredited college or university. "
 
I just got my final marks. My cumulative GPA is a 2.89. I just completed my 3rd year at the University of Toronto (Canada). I just recently (after 2nd year) decided that dentistry is what I want to do. My 1st and 2nd year weren't that great. I wasn't focused on a goal. But now that I am, I managed to get a 3rd year GPA of 3.44. I've been shadowing a dentist since September (100+ hours). I've also taken the DAT (Canadian). My scores are:

RC: 22
BIO: 18
CHEM: 19
TS: 18
AA: 20
PAT: 18

I'm working towards a Hon. Bsc (biology specialist, philosophy minor). I've taken the prerequistes and have already other science courses such as physiology, biochemistry, human embryology, neurobiology, genetic etc. I'll also be taking a full courseload of science courses next year (with 1 philosophy course).

Do you guys think I should apply for the uncoming cycle or wait for the next cycle??? If I do wait, the highest my GPA could potentially rise to would be a 3.15 (If I get only A's in all courses next year).

Thanks for any advice!
 
Hi.

Would you recommend applying if I have a 2.9 overall with a slightly lower science GPA. I am taking my DAT this summer and was planning to apply this summer as well. I have good extracurriculars and research experience. I talked to a few admissions officers and they said to try to apply this year and only one said to wait till I raise my GPA. What would you recommend?

Also, which postbac programs would you recommend?
Thanks.

Yah-E said:
For applicants with low GPAs like Iceman and myself back in the days, it's not effective to take all these extra classes and have the grades earned computed into the undergraduate GPA. If you earn all As, it won't even show since it's buried under all those previous earned credits.

By taken graduate level courses or enroll into a Post-Bac program, it will reflect a new GPA from scratch. If it's graduate level, then it will show under graduate GPA on the AADSAS application where the admission committee will see the new improved grades immediately.

C'mon kids, must I explain everything? 🙄
 
mvs04 said:
I think the fundamental approach to the low GPA applicant needs to be: I need to have awesome "something" in order to get in.... be it DATs, job experiences, etc.

what do you think your "something" was? also, where did you get accepted? thanks.

also, three other random questions: what does "BCP" stand for? when people calculate their science GPA's, do they include lab grades (if so, do dental school admission commitees do the same?)? lastly, what is the deal with applying "early"? what does this even mean and why is it so important (acceptances at schools aren't rolling, right?)

thanks a ton guys!
 
sucky GPA said:
I knew I had to do something spetacular to get noticed so I studied for the DAT like hell. I ended up with a 21 AA, 21 PAT and 26 QA. It wasn't as good as I wanted but it did open up some doors for me. I got 4 interviews out of about 20 schools I applied to. I got in one, waitlisted on two and got a flat rejection from the last one.


I am wondering where you got interviewed? I say to take the acceptance that you got from the one school because your dental school experience is what you make it. You will be getting the same education no matter which dental school you go to. good luck!
 
do people normally do Post-bac if they have a poor undergrad GPA? If you never took the science classes as an undergrad can you just take them without doing a post-bac and apply to dental schools?
 
omaradentist? said:
what do you think your "something" was? also, where did you get accepted? thanks.

also, three other random questions: what does "BCP" stand for? when people calculate their science GPA's, do they include lab grades (if so, do dental school admission commitees do the same?)? lastly, what is the deal with applying "early"? what does this even mean and why is it so important (acceptances at schools aren't rolling, right?)

thanks a ton guys!

BCP stands for bio, chem, physics gpa. Science GPA's include any type of science (including engineering grades...lucky me). Lastly, and the reason why I replied to your post, dental school admissions ARE done on a rolling basis. So get your app early. 👍
 
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