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I give up for this year's entering class...
ajy1013 said:I give up for this year's entering class...
Rezdawg said:I was in your shoes last year. Keep your head up and dont quit. Start getting everything ready for the next cycle, starting now. Submit your application in May or June at the latest. Talk to adcoms about what they suggest. Retake the DAT if they recommend it. Take some upper level courses and get A's.
You gotta start taking action now and it will work out. Dont give up.
bluekty said:I need opinions guys...
1. so... will getting good grades in a post-bacc program definately raise the chance to get accepted no matter how the undergrad GPA was?
2. would it make difference getting a post-bacc certificate degree in a state university like CSU or in a well-known university (ex. Loma Linda)
3. do you think it is possible to finish a post-bacc program in 2 quarters (like spring and summer quarters) and apply for this year again? I meant...i need to take 24 quarter units for the post-bacc programs. will it be hard or too much taking 12 units per quarter?
4. is there any program leads into dental school?
bluekty said:sorry to bring this up again but i am very confused...
i hope you guys can help me.
i am starting my post-bacc program soon and appying for coming cycle.
i am wondering where i put the grades from the post-bacc... grad or undergrad?
obviously post-bacc programs usually require upper division courses but those are still undergrad courses.
but it says in the school catalog "thses courses may be applied toward masters degree requirements"
in AADSAS :"A graduate course is one for which you earned graduate credit (i.e., credit hours toward a graduate degree)."
"A undergraduate course is one for which you earned undergraduate credit (i.e., credit hours toward a undergraduate degree)."
if the courses that i am gonna take are toward a post-bacc certificate... then what???
thanks ahead guys..
leolid said:yeap joining the club...ive applied all over and interviewed at AZ in mid december and got waitlisted at Creighton. Havent heard from AZ 🙁 ........ I went into this cycle knowing that I probably have to reapply, but its a lot harder to deal with when it actually comes. my dat's were 18/18/16 so im not shocked i havent heard from schools. , still waiting to hear from 8 more schools, but most likely they'll all come at once...grrrrr.... I'm lookin at post bacc programs and hopefully ill get into somewhere next year
Dentist 2 be said:what was your GPA?
bouncy_ball said:Not really. I had to take a few post-bac classes to meet dental prereqs, but it was limited to about 4 classes. I took my DATs 2x. First time 19/21/17, Second 24/26/18. Although my second set of scores are high, I really think that anyone who puts in their greatest effort can do equally well or better!
hope_faith said:Hey guys. I've been reading posts here for countless months and have never posted anything bc I guess there wasn't much I had wanted to say that hasn't been said already...but FINALLY I have something to say...!
My stats:
AADSAS #60**
Cumm. GPA: 3.0
Scinece GPA: 2.8
DAT: 19/19/16
Major: Molecular Biology
Schools applied: UOP, UCLA, USC, UCSF, UNLV, NYU, BU, Tufts, Temple, UPenn, UPitt, Indiana, Maryland, UMich (maybe one more can't remember)
Rejected: UOP, UCLA, UNLV, Tufts, Temple, UPenn, UPitt, Indiana, Maryland
Interviewed: UMich
Accepted: UMich
Attending: obviously, UMich
Good luck to everyone...and just remember it CAN be done!
hope_faith said:My stats:
AADSAS #60**
Cumm. GPA: 3.0
Scinece GPA: 2.8
DAT: 19/19/16
Interviewed: UMich
Accepted: UMich
Attending: obviously, UMich
mcg09dmd said:Hope there is room for another under 3.0 inductee.
My story starts like many others. I knew I wanted to go into the field of Dental Medicine back in high school. I even worked in an Orthodontic office back then. However, I went off to college and did not come close to living up to my potential. I finally graduated with a B.A. in Biology, but decided my last year to forgo applying to Dental School or even taking the DAT. With a 2.75 overall gpa and 2.80 science gpa and only the Ortho experience in high school, I knew it was not going to happen.
Well, I turned my frustration with my situation into something positive. I still wanted to be successful at something. So, I ventured off and opened my own business. It was very successful right from the beginning, but after 3 years at that I just could not get rid of my obsession with teeth! I decided, since my business could support it, to go back to school on my own to prove myself academically. After one semester classified as postbac, I decided to just go for the graduate degree. I studied for 3 months non-stop for the DAT. I felt very unsure about it since it had been years since I had gen bio and gen chem courses. I came out with a 19/19/18. I shadowed a dentist for about 40 hours and a periodontist for 10 hours. I worked with several professors to tailor independent studies toward my interest in Dentistry. I was able to take courses in Dental Science, Periodontology, and Oral Immunity. I became a graduate assistant and taught Biology labs to freshman biology majors. I had no time for volunteering so I worked with a local high school special ed dept to teach job skills to a special ed student at my business. As you can see, I worked my tail off for the last 2 years.
I applied to MCG this past year. (I certainly don't advocate applying to only one school. I applied only to MCG because my business is in Georgia, and we thought my wife would have to continue to run it were I accepted.) At the time of my application, my cum GPA was a 2.97 and BCP was a 3.25. However, my GPA for the graduate program was a 3.76 cum and 3.76 sciences. I received my acceptance letter this December. So, yes I am 30 going off to Dental School but better late than never for sure.
I only found the SDN forums recently. I wish I had seen the inspirational messages on this board 2 years ago. However, it is still great to read all the posts and hear of others who were/are in my same situation. I am proof that if you have an under 3.0 GPA that with a lot of effort and hard work you can turn that around. Best of luck to everyone out there!
Yah-E said:Another success story! Congrats! Were you on the alternate list at first or did you just interview late and were accepted? Regardless, please feel free to share your experiences with others as it may provide others with guidance and hope. One last thing, technically, your 3.0 cumulative GPA does not qualify you to be in this "Club" since under a 3.0 GPA is required in all GPAs for membership. Your journey experience is still greatly valued so please do share with others.
Club CEO/President
Tooth Fixer said:Nice scores what study tools did you use to get those scores. All advice is taken.
mvs04 said:I want to join the sub 3.0 club!
3.1 overall GPA.
Yah-E said:Application to club denied due to reason above! 😀 But congrats on your acceptances. 👍
bluekty said:sorry to bring this up again but i am very confused...
i hope you guys can help me.
i am starting my post-bacc program soon and appying for coming cycle.
i am wondering where i put the grades from the post-bacc... grad or undergrad?
obviously post-bacc programs usually require upper division courses but those are still undergrad courses.
but it says in the school catalog "thses courses may be applied toward masters degree requirements"
in AADSAS :"A graduate course is one for which you earned graduate credit (i.e., credit hours toward a graduate degree)."
"A undergraduate course is one for which you earned undergraduate credit (i.e., credit hours toward a undergraduate degree)."
if the courses that i am gonna take are toward a post-bacc certificate... then what???
thanks ahead guys..
So have you gotten in anywhere with that GPA?sucky GPA said:Hi,
I don't know if you're still looking for an answer to your questions. But here it is anyway. 😀
Well, I was in a worse situation. My undergrad GPA was about a 2.5 (or even worse) but I did have a Masters Degree and I got around a 3.6 there. When I interviewed with various schools I was told the grad GPA was helpful to get me the interview but only the undergrad GPA was used in the acceptance calculation. (as you know, most schools have a formula even if they don't tell you) If you don't actually have a Masters Degree, putting your post bac grades in a separate field will only hurt you because you can't use them to raise your GPA.
Hope this info is useful.
Denro said:Yah-E.. What if you're not attending a post bacculerate school. Is that ok. Because thats where Im at, Im just taking the basic prerequistes and hopefully trying to get in. with an Awesome dat score hopefully??
Denro said:If anybody has done the PPAC with there school advisors. I have some questions about that, because I have a low overral gpa and some of the questions for the applications are kinda tough. I was wondering if the PPAC application is seen by the dental schools. Im also nervous about releasing my SATs scores and my high school gpa. Do they really care what you did in high school. Geez why does dental school have to be all nosy.. crap. Im getting fustrated with my application.
mvs04 said:what is PPAC? Only one school I applied to (Buffalo) asked for a high school transcript...
Denro said:Hey AUtigers,
Im not from auburn, I go to a school in north texas and we have this thing called the PPAC, which is a separate application process from AAEDA. But basically its an evaluation from the advisory committe at your school and they send it to AAEDA. Its supposedly gives you an extra edge thats about it. The committe sends in a one page summary about you. But its also good because it allows to have mock interviews and sample application questions.
UNC-DDS said:Why do you have to be "some weird eskimo-native american, black minority" to live in the ghetto. Not all minorities live in the ghetto. If we had what was initially ours from the geginning of slavery times, we wouldn't be at such disadvantages,but thanks to your ancestors, We Are!!There's nothing wrong with helping minorities along the way since what are ancestors had was STOLEN away. I think you should show minorities a little more respect!!!! What would you think if you were as disadvantaged. It wasn't like we chose to be that way!!! Thank You.
UNC-DDS said:If we had what was initially ours from the beginning of slavery times, we wouldn't be at such disadvantages,but thanks to your ancestors, We Are!!There's nothing wrong with helping minorities along the way since what are ancestors had was STOLEN away.
Haha... thats right.... a lot of history seems to be neglected in textbooks these days. But from what the US Public School system told me, is that the colonial americans, and other nations bought/traded/stole Africans from Africa to be used as slaves in different parts of the world. So initially slaves had nothing, no rights, and no property...and were GIVEN rights and property by ancestors.UNC-DDS said:I guess they didn't include minority history in your textbooks either. You do the research!!! That's why your'e not knowledgeable of the facts. And this conversation is over!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Godfather said:I don't think that's what he was implying. He was just running down a laundry list of special circumstances that admission committees take into account when considering someone with less than average stats, and in a joking manner. Lighten up, and lose the "victim" mentality too. It's grossly unfair to go accusing every non-minority's ancestors as being the cause of all your problems. How is that attitude any better than some white supremacist accusing his misfortunes on all minorities?
JakeMUSC said:Haha... thats right.... a lot of history seems to be neglected in textbooks these days. But from what the US Public School system told me, is that the colonial americans, and other nations bought/traded/stole Africans from Africa to be used as slaves in different parts of the world. So initially slaves had nothing, no rights, and no property...and were GIVEN rights and property by ancestors.
IcemanDDS said:So have you gotten in anywhere with that GPA?
sucky GPA said:I knew I had to do something spetacular to get noticed so I studied for the DAT like hell. I ended up with a 21 AA, 21 PAT and 26 QA. It wasn't as good as I wanted but it did open up some doors for me. I got 4 interviews out of about 20 schools I applied to. I got in one, waitlisted on two and got a flat rejection from the last one.
sucky GPA said:I knew I had to do something spetacular to get noticed so I studied for the DAT like hell. I ended up with a 21 AA, 21 PAT and 26 QA. It wasn't as good as I wanted but it did open up some doors for me. I got 4 interviews out of about 20 schools I applied to. I got in one, waitlisted on two and got a flat rejection from the last one.
Yah-E said:For applicants with low GPAs like Iceman and myself back in the days, it's not effective to take all these extra classes and have the grades earned computed into the undergraduate GPA. If you earn all As, it won't even show since it's buried under all those previous earned credits.
By taken graduate level courses or enroll into a Post-Bac program, it will reflect a new GPA from scratch. If it's graduate level, then it will show under graduate GPA on the AADSAS application where the admission committee will see the new improved grades immediately.
C'mon kids, must I explain everything? 🙄
mvs04 said:I think the fundamental approach to the low GPA applicant needs to be: I need to have awesome "something" in order to get in.... be it DATs, job experiences, etc.
sucky GPA said:I knew I had to do something spetacular to get noticed so I studied for the DAT like hell. I ended up with a 21 AA, 21 PAT and 26 QA. It wasn't as good as I wanted but it did open up some doors for me. I got 4 interviews out of about 20 schools I applied to. I got in one, waitlisted on two and got a flat rejection from the last one.
omaradentist? said:what do you think your "something" was? also, where did you get accepted? thanks.
also, three other random questions: what does "BCP" stand for? when people calculate their science GPA's, do they include lab grades (if so, do dental school admission commitees do the same?)? lastly, what is the deal with applying "early"? what does this even mean and why is it so important (acceptances at schools aren't rolling, right?)
thanks a ton guys!