The Under 3.0 Club part 02

[Mch123]

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Hi all! I've been stalking this forum for awhile now, knowing one day I'd find the courage to reveal my ugly scars and finally get some much appreciated feedback.

B.A Spanish Language and Literature; Minor Latin American Studies
'04 grad
cGPA: 2.42
sGPA: 0.0 (took Bio 1 twice, got F both times)
Last 45 credits:
--->27 credits study abroad 3.5 GPA (not calculated into cGPA; I didn't realize I'd get the credits not the grades. cGPA would be closer to 2.8 if grades were calculated but no one (master level programs) do not consider these transcripts)
--->18 credits 3.02 GPA a few retakes (stats and a Spanish class) best semester

Currently, doing DIY post bac at local cc.
sGPA 3.75 (Bio 1,2 & Chem 1,2)
cGPA 3.36 (sciences + 3 math classes)

Raised overall GPA to 2.56

I am a full-time middle school teacher. I volunteer at a local hospital, a dental clinic, an HIV center, and women's shelter. I also shadow a few dentist, occasionally.

Now trying to decide if I should:
(a) transfer to university for 2nd bachelors degree in Biological Sciences to continue to raise GPA (and get a foot in the door for M.S program)
(b) apply to formal M.S Biological Studies program (UCF/UF)
(c) continue taking classes at cc and apply to formal post bac, SMP (Barry/Nova), or M.S program (UCF/UF) once GPA is closer to 3.0
(d) once I achieve (c), take DAT, kill it, and apply to Dschool
(e) open to other suggestions

What do you think? What can I do to strengthen application/ academic record? Where do I go from here?

Thank you!

 

[Chga]

BCP GPA: 2.94
SCI GPA: 2.97
NON SCI GPA: 3.00
DAT: 22 (all scores are 20 or higher)

I did undergrad in Biology and did not do too well on my classes. I did terrible 3 out of last 4 semesters in college. For this reason I decided to do grad school, however to impress the admissions committees I went for Master's in Biomedical Engineering, I did not do well in some of the engineering intensive classes (I do not have any math background besides the required calculus class for B.S. graduation). I decided to do my thesis on bone biology and aging as I thought this would be most closely related to dental profession. I have good recommendation letters from my thesis supervisor, thesis committee and a Dentist.

What are the recommended schools I apply to?

 

[ichoai]

So if you have a 3.0 cGPA and around a 2.8 sGPA, you guys recommend going right into an SMP? or do you need to do Post-bac and then an SMP?

EDIT: 22AA/TS

 

[WalkingByFaith]

Hey everyone!

I've been checking out these posts for awhile now and a few people seem to have similar issues to me. I figured I'd post to get a little advice for myself.

I have one semester of undergrad left and my current overall GPA is 2.41 and my science gpa is 1.96. I've taken ochem twice and got a C in it the second time. I'm also taking ochem 2 right now for the third time. I was unsure about what I wanted to do once I graduated.. At first I just wanted to get a job but after continuous shadowing and research I'm sure I want to go to dental school. I know SOMEONE will have some criticism but honestly I've heard it all and at this point I just need some honest help and advice. If I make some sort of game plan I'll have more motivation to go through with it and achieve what I want. At this point, I just feel like a lost cause.

I feel like the best option for me would be to pursue a postbac but I'm so confused as to what kind of postbac or which programs to apply to.

I've also considered not graduating next semester and staying longer to retake some of my classes but that is something I really don't want to do. I'd much rather start a postbac somewhere.

What would you suggest I do?

If anyone has any suggestions to any good programs or what my next step should be that will help me get accepted into dental school in the future that'd be great. Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks in advance 🙂

I can say I feel you on this. I'm some what in the same boat. It seems discouraging when you look at dental school requirements and you don't seem like you are there. I have found a 10-week dental school that's taught through a dental office. It's 10 weeks and I go once a week from 8am-4pm. I start at the end of May and will finish up right before its time to get back to school in August. I know that there are votech schools that are very expensive and long but this one is reasonable, in a dental office and short. I'm doing this program in hopes of getting plenty of experience while finishing undergrad so I can eliminate getting a master's degree. But if I must do a master's program, I've looked into going to Mississippi College and doing there Medical Science Biology degree. Good luck and pray things work out for you!

 

[PoetrynH59]

i love this threaed!!!!! any updates from anyone? 😀 i love to read stories!!

 

[Blake1e]

BCP GPA: 2.94
SCI GPA: 2.97
NON SCI GPA: 3.00
DAT: 22 (all scores are 20 or higher)

I did undergrad in Biology and did not do too well on my classes. I did terrible 3 out of last 4 semesters in college. For this reason I decided to do grad school, however to impress the admissions committees I went for Master's in Biomedical Engineering, I did not do well in some of the engineering intensive classes (I do not have any math background besides the required calculus class for B.S. graduation). I decided to do my thesis on bone biology and aging as I thought this would be most closely related to dental profession. I have good recommendation letters from my thesis supervisor, thesis committee and a Dentist.

What are the recommended schools I apply to?

The 2014 ADEA dental guide book will tell you everything you need to know better than anyone on the forum. The online version is pretty cheap too, I bought it.

So if you have a 3.0 cGPA and around a 2.8 sGPA, you guys recommend going right into an SMP? or do you need to do Post-bac and then an SMP?

EDIT: 22AA/TS

Play around with a GPA calculator and see how many credits/classes (try to take only science/math courses) youll need to take as a post-bac to bring up your GPAs to 3.0 and also check how many to get your GPAs up to 3.2. Some schools have cutoffs as 3.0 and others 3.2. If itll take more than a year (including spring, summer, fall, & winter) to reach the target GPAs then you should just go look for a one year masters program and make sure you get at least a 3.6 or 3.7 GPA for it.

 

[tooth knockn]

try to take the advice on here lightly. you NEED to get positive and get moving. I was in the exact same position as you three years ago, posting a similar question (im sure you can read my old posts of despair), and now I am a true example of hope. If you are willing to work hard for a solid two-three years, it IS possible.

I was a miserable case of a 'pre-dent'. it is still difficult not to dwell on my past and how badly I messed up. I had a 2.65 BCP gpa after undergrad (BS Biology and BA in Biopsych), 2.8 overall. my first DAT was 19AA/18TS/20PAT. I never applied to dent school tho kept my feet in dental settings despite but such a bad academic performance. i knew how bad i wanted it but just could not make it happen in my classes. I came home after college and did one year of 'post-bacc'/taking classes at community college (anatomy and phys, micro, etc.) and then came to a full university and have been doing post-bacc work studying chemistry for the last two years. I had one internship for a chemical company and have been doing a lot of research with a Biochem professor (to sort of test my passion for chemistry, and also to make my app stand out), and I have volunteered for a traveling dental clinic in my state. my shadowing is not tremendous, just consistent and I have not cured any rare illnesses or done anything of that spectacular nature. I have maintained a 3.8 gpa since starting my post-bacc work (had some 4.0 semesters, one 3.65 semester), and I have gotten one award and a scholarship. My second DAT was 21AA/22TS/22PAT. But overall I concentrated on doing a few 'different' things to help my candidacy stand out (ie., chem internship, research, etc) and also focused mostly on keeping upward trends in everything academic/professional related over the last 3 years. Anything I accomplished or was active in last year, I made sure to keep it up and do something more this year (ie., volunteer work, same/if not better grades in school). STILL though even after 3 solid years of straight As, my gpa only moved to a 3.1 (talk about a heartbreaking moment when I finally saw the gpa on my AADSAS app, after having not allowed my self to toy with gpa calculations during my post-bacc career).

And after 3 years of a massive uphill battle, I submitted my AADSAS app on July 16th (early-ish?), had supplementals in by August, and by September I had 4 interview invites scheduled pre-Dec 2nd. Last week I received another interview invite for January. On Monday I was accepted to one of my top choice schools. at 8 am on the dot the Dean called and I died inside. after 8 years of my life, i finally exhaled.

PM me with any questions. stay strong and try not to dwell on your previous performance. you just gotta start to make things happen differently.

Nice post to read, gives a lot of hope.


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[Godspeedyou]

These threads are always the best, thanks for the motivation everyone.

The only pre-req I've taken so far is gen bio (in gen bio 2 now). I still need 3 courses (non-science) at my current university for my BA, which sort of puts me in a pickle in terms of my post-bacc. Right now the plan is to take those 3 courses+chem 1 in the fall at current uni+ graduate, then transfer for the spring semester and take chem 2/ bio uppers at the post-bacc uni. Don't know if that will workout but the thought of staying here for an additional year isn't appealing since it's so damn expensive.

Then, depending on how things look in a couple years, go for a SMP and hopefully get into dental school from there.


I keep trying to think of ways I could speed up the process but I guess it's impossible because even if I wanted to take the DAT in the summer after my first post-bacc year it'd be while I was taking orgo in the summer, so I'm guessing that wouldn't work.

 

[spentmon]

Graduated bs in biology in '11
oGPA 3.3
sGPA 3.0
Gchem17 ochem18 bio22 Ts19 qr18 rc20 pat 21
Lots of volunteering hours - Eagle Scout, big brothers big sisters, tutoring

Spent the summer after graduating working in a dental clinic in Kenya, came back and worked as an ortho assistant for two years before starting a masters in bio. Applied to 11 schools got 2 interviews and wait listed at both. Got pulled off the waiting list in January and didn't have to go back and finish my masters.

 

[tooth knockn]

Graduated bs in biology in '11
oGPA 3.3
sGPA 3.0
Gchem17 ochem18 bio22 Ts19 qr18 rc20 pat 21
Lots of volunteering hours - Eagle Scout, big brothers big sisters, tutoring

Spent the summer after graduating working in a dental clinic in Kenya, came back and worked as an ortho assistant for two years before starting a masters in bio. Applied to 11 schools got 2 interviews and wait listed at both. Got pulled off the waiting list in January and didn't have to go back and finish my masters.

Which school were those?





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[StumpMT]

These threads give me hope. My oGPA is 2.98, sGPA is 3.13, and DAT is 21TS/21AA/23PAT. I've been a full-time medical lab scientist for five years now, am taking a grad level virology class this semester (will get an A), and have signed up for two more grad classes next fall. I have 100 general dentist shadowing hours and 20 each of ortho, endo, and omfs. I also have 200 volunteer hours at a clinic for the underserved population. I will be applying to about 20 schools this cycle and am really hoping for the best.

 

[threemileisle]

Update: Offered a seat at UDM and withdrew from LECOM.

Hey all, I have some good news to report. I was accepted to LECOM this morning with a sub-3.0 GPA.

Non-science undergrad, finished with a 2.4 oGPA. Took a few years off, then completed a career-changer post-bac with a 3.9. Unfortunately, that still left my oGPA at only 2.9 and sGPA at 3.2. I applied broadly to over 30 schools and did well enough on the DAT (23) for schools to at least take a look at me. I ended up being waitlisted at all 7 of the schools that interviewed me. I was seriously starting to think that it wasn't meant to be and was on the verge of sending out a bunch of apps for master's programs.

Beyond that, my credentials are far from overwhelming. Work experience plus 300 clinical hours in a hospital, and 250 hours shadowing various dentists. Not much in the way of community work, zero research experience, no overseas/international programs, etc.

Good luck everyone!

 

[PoetrynH59]

Congratulations Threemileisle!

You've become my new inspiration! XD

Thank you for the Post!

 

[NeuroscEYEnce]

Hey everyone I wanted some help and advice. I currently am in a masters program and I got a 3.5 this semester and my overall GPA is a 3.35 I have one more class this summer with an A would bump me up to a 3.45. I still have to re-take the DAT (first time I got 15 and 16 across the board). I have two bachelors degrees and a ton of leadership, volunteer, research, and community service experience. I wanted to know if there was anyone who had around a 3.4 in their masters and still got into dental school?

 

[Nhuskers007]

I guess i'm in the boat of a lot of people and need some advice. Graduated from the University of Nebraska-Lincoln with bachelors in business administration. I finished with a 2.733 oGPA and don't have a science GPA because the only science class i took was at a community college where the GPA didn't transfer. Also my GPA at UNL is only weighted on 60 credits because I did 60 at a community college first. There are quite a few science classes i would have to take for prerequisites, but I feel i'm determined and could get a very good GPA. I'm not sure how to go about it? Can i just take science classes post bachelors and would it count toward my undergrad GPA? Obviously I would have to raise my undergrad GPA to somewhere around 3.2, science around 3.7, and kill the DAT to be competitive. Any info would help as this is all way too confusing for me. Thanks

 

[sugarmagnolia91]

Hey all,

I'm feeling pretty bummed and hoping for some encouraging but realistic advice.

My stats are:
-Graduated 2012 w/ BA in Psych, 3.2 cum GPA
-Lot of W's (like, a LOT), D's, and C's in undergrad
-Senior year had 3.9 GPA

Took a year for some self-discovery, then started a post-bacc Summer 2013:
-Gen Chem 1/2: (B, A)
-Fall '13: Ochem 1 (F), Ochem 1 Lab (B), Bio 1 (B)
-Spring '14: Ochem 1 again (looking like it's gonna be a C), Bio 2 (likely a B)

I just calculated my GPA w/ an AADSAS calculator, and my science GPA, including the post-bacc stuff and the F, is a 2.6 🙁
Non-science GPA is ~3.3, and my overall is 3.076

I've been working as a dental assistant since I was 15 (so on and off for 7 years). I'm very close with the dentist I originally worked for, and I know he can write me a killer LOR. Other than that, I haven't bonded with any of my science profs.

My current plan is to take Calc I in the summer, and then Ochem2 + Microbio in the fall. I've been working part-time, but wondering if I should scale back on everything spending-wise and add another science class to my fall schedule instead of working? Or even take an additional class this summer? I am really trying to avoid investing in a master's program. I still have to take physics, biochem, etc. I was hoping to take the DAT next spring (2015) and apply for Fall 2016.

Please help me decide what to do. Thanks in advance!

 

[bluemoon27]

Hey all,

I'm feeling pretty bummed and hoping for some encouraging but realistic advice.

My stats are:
-Graduated 2012 w/ BA in Psych, 3.2 cum GPA
-Lot of W's (like, a LOT), D's, and C's in undergrad
-Senior year had 3.9 GPA

Took a year for some self-discovery, then started a post-bacc Summer 2013:
-Gen Chem 1/2: (B, A)
-Fall '13: Ochem 1 (F), Ochem 1 Lab (B), Bio 1 (B)
-Spring '14: Ochem 1 again (looking like it's gonna be a C), Bio 2 (likely a B)

I just calculated my GPA w/ an AADSAS calculator, and my science GPA, including the post-bacc stuff and the F, is a 2.6 🙁
Non-science GPA is ~3.3, and my overall is 3.076

I've been working as a dental assistant since I was 15 (so on and off for 7 years). I'm very close with the dentist I originally worked for, and I know he can write me a killer LOR. Other than that, I haven't bonded with any of my science profs.

My current plan is to take Calc I in the summer, and then Ochem2 + Microbio in the fall. I've been working part-time, but wondering if I should scale back on everything spending-wise and add another science class to my fall schedule instead of working? Or even take an additional class this summer? I am really trying to avoid investing in a master's program. I still have to take physics, biochem, etc. I was hoping to take the DAT next spring (2014) and apply for Fall 2015.

Please help me decide what to do. Thanks in advance!

Hey! I would recommend you figure out how many science classes you have taken. Then play around with excel to calculate how many classes you need to get your GPA higher through post-bac or Masters. Since you were psych, you may not have had as many science classes which will make it a little easier to raise it up. I am in a similar situation but my GPA repair will be too costly due to so many sci class so I'm still figuring out my career plans and maybe you can do the same. Nevertheless, I think you defn do an upward trend so make every attempt to make all A's from here on out. That means if you need to take the easiest prof at your univeristy to get there, then do that. Dont take too many classes at once, you want to focus on them well to make solid grades so dont overburden yourself with too many hard classes. Also, use Chad's videos for your chem + physics + bio classes. He has them for college as well the DAT/MCAT,etc so that may give u the upper hand u need to make A's. I myself can attest to that. Using his videos I made an A when I repeated Orgo 1 (I made C first time). Hope that helps!

 

[bluemoon27]

additionally, they care about BCP GPA a lot. So if you dont have too many science classes under your belt, make sure to make all A's in the future upper div courses to bring that up. I also dont recommend applying this year though. I had slightly higher stats than you this cycle, did not get a single interview.

 

[LaughingGas]

Take 1 class, get A, then take 2 classes, get a A, then take 3 classes, get A. If you fail to get A, don't increase workload. Science classes need more than just "studying hard". Get tutoring/ help from school, which is nothing to be embarrassed about. Anything less than an A at this point, it will be miles away from getting into dental school. Since you have more than enough classes to take, stop damaging your science GPA.

 

[sugarmagnolia91]

Thanks guys!

Not applying this year-- that was a typo, I edited my original post.

If I get a C in Ochem1 after getting an F, should I take it again this summer? An excellent prof is giving it, and I wonder if it would prepare me better for Orgo 2? Since dental schools factor in every grade, wouldn't a B or an A in orgo the 3rd time have the same impact on my GPA as any other BCP?

I'm also thinking of taking an upper-level bio (also with a good prof) during summer session 2 at a different CUNY school. Is it frowned upon to take it at a different school though? My school (Brooklyn College) doesn't offer any upper-levels or physics during summer, which are the classes I need.

Also, what do I search for to find Chad's videos?

Thanks again for the advice, really appreciate it.

 

[Myce]

Chad's videos are at coursesaver.com

 

[Gooz88]

Hey everyone, wanted to tell you guys my story see what you think. Graduated undergrad with 2.5 gpa (yea i know, pretty ugly). That was 4 years ago. Since then I've taken a number of science classes in an informal post bac and just this last year finished up a Master's with a 4.0. My overall GPA undergrad + postgrad is ~3.0 now. Was able to score a 22AA 22PAT on the DAT. Going to give it a shot and apply this year. What do you guys think?

 

[tooth knockn]

Hey everyone, wanted to tell you guys my story see what you think. Graduated undergrad with 2.5 gpa (yea i know, pretty ugly). That was 4 years ago. Since then I've taken a number of science classes in an informal post bac and just this last year finished up a Master's with a 4.0. My overall GPA undergrad + postgrad is ~3.0 now. Was able to score a 22AA 22PAT on the DAT. Going to give it a shot and apply this year. What do you guys think?

I like your academic trend, dat looks very good, plus you are more mature (based on upward trend).

Looks good, let us know if you get in, there are others in similar situations.



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[Mediumrare]

On the eve of the new cycle, I feel it is my time to post. Like those of you who are following this thread, I began my journey with a less than stellar GPA. But I didn't let it stop me. Dentistry is and always be my passion and I couldn't see myself doing another profession while enjoying what I do, so I saw it as the only route. a little background info, Graduated with a BS in Nutrition with a terrifying 2.5 GPA. I had a job since I was 14 and when I went off to school after 2 years at a state college, it was the first time I didn't have a job in 7 years. Lets just say my motivation was not there (That's being nice). I accepted a clinical position, but I realized I hated my job and I needed to go back to school and get my s@*t together. One day I looked at myself in the mirror and realized where I was and where I could be, and decided that I would not accept failure as an option, and set forth on an academic odyssey.

My first cycle I applied to 17 schools with ZERO interviews. It SUCKED! However I wouldn't let me down. I kind of expected it as I only had maybe 20 credits to my belt of solid GPA. I did application reviews at 12 of the universities who deemed me not competitive (likely true) and created a spread sheet to see what I could do to maximize my return on my time investment. Some said to retake my DAT ( 18 AA/19TS/20PT/ 20QR/ 23RC/22GC/ 17Bio/17OC) others said it wasn't worth it. Long story short I didn't let it stop me. I graduated with a second BS in microbiology in 2013 with a GPA of 3.74 and decided that I needed more education to make myself a competitive applicant (read my GPA was still shi**y).

I enrolled in an SMP at Mississippi College and reapplied to 20 schools. I was blessed with 5 interviews which lead to 5 wait-lists (Being on a wait-list is purgatory). I was a little bummed out that after busting my butt for almost 3 years I had nothing to show for it except degrees and loan payments coming up, but I didn't let it hinder the big picture of my goal of becoming a dentist and I graduated strong.

After placement on wait-lists, I kept in contact WEEKLY by email with all of them, updating them with what I did to improve myself, whether by additional shadowing or volunteer experience or updated marks from tests. I basically had a doorbell approach where I would just make them accept me and I will stop email them. I'm not saying that it is what everyone should do, but I kept it professional and to the point. I was not trying to waste any ones time in the admissions office, just showing them how much I wanted to become a dentist. I graduated with a MS in Biology (medical science) with a GPA of 3.97. I had held my GPA at 3.84 though 93credits over 3 years while working full time, having my first child born, getting married, shadowing, publishing research and volunteering.

I received two acceptances, from UF and VCU, and will be attending UF this fall. I couldn't have made a better decision 3 years ago when I decided to buck up and achieve what I knew I could. For those of you who are in these same shoes, you have a decision to make. It won't be easy and it will likely be expensive. But looking back 50 years from now I didn't want to think about what could have been and instead laugh at all the malarkey I had to go through to get where I will be.

On the eve of this cycle, don't take no for an answer if it is truly what you want to do. If you just wanna get rich look elsewhere. Money could be made easier and faster in other professions. But for those stubborn people like me, take constrictive criticism as insight on how to better yourself as a person as well as an applicant. These people are going to tell you their honest opinion during application reviews and it will be a broken record, but understand they are trying to help you, not belittle you. In the words of Jim Valvano, "Don't give up... Don't ever give up."

Good luck to all of you who will be applying this cycle!! If anyone has any question I'd be happy to help!

 

[brondals]

On the eve of the new cycle, I feel it is my time to post. Like those of you who are following this thread, I began my journey with a less than stellar GPA. But I didn't let it stop me. Dentistry is and always be my passion and I couldn't see myself doing another profession while enjoying what I do, so I saw it as the only route. a little background info, Graduated with a BS in Nutrition with a terrifying 2.5 GPA. I had a job since I was 14 and when I went off to school after 2 years at a state college, it was the first time I didn't have a job in 7 years. Lets just say my motivation was not there (That's being nice). I accepted a clinical position, but I realized I hated my job and I needed to go back to school and get my s@*t together. One day I looked at myself in the mirror and realized where I was and where I could be, and decided that I would not accept failure as an option, and set forth on an academic odyssey.

My first cycle I applied to 17 schools with ZERO interviews. It SUCKED! However I wouldn't let me down. I kind of expected it as I only had maybe 20 credits to my belt of solid GPA. I did application reviews at 12 of the universities who deemed me not competitive (likely true) and created a spread sheet to see what I could do to maximize my return on my time investment. Some said to retake my DAT ( 18 AA/19TS/20PT/ 20QR/ 23RC/22GC/ 17Bio/17OC) others said it wasn't worth it. Long story short I didn't let it stop me. I graduated with a second BS in microbiology in 2013 with a GPA of 3.74 and decided that I needed more education to make myself a competitive applicant (read my GPA was still shi**y).

I enrolled in an SMP at Mississippi College and reapplied to 20 schools. I was blessed with 5 interviews which lead to 5 wait-lists (Being on a wait-list is purgatory). I was a little bummed out that after busting my butt for almost 3 years I had nothing to show for it except degrees and loan payments coming up, but I didn't let it hinder the big picture of my goal of becoming a dentist and I graduated strong.

After placement on wait-lists, I kept in contact WEEKLY by email with all of them, updating them with what I did to improve myself, whether by additional shadowing or volunteer experience or updated marks from tests. I basically had a doorbell approach where I would just make them accept me and I will stop email them. I'm not saying that it is what everyone should do, but I kept it professional and to the point. I was not trying to waste any ones time in the admissions office, just showing them how much I wanted to become a dentist. I graduated with a MS in Biology (medical science) with a GPA of 3.97. I had held my GPA at 3.84 though 93credits over 3 years while working full time, having my first child born, getting married, shadowing, publishing research and volunteering.

I received two acceptances, from UF and VCU, and will be attending UF this fall. I couldn't have made a better decision 3 years ago when I decided to buck up and achieve what I knew I could. For those of you who are in these same shoes, you have a decision to make. It won't be easy and it will likely be expensive. But looking back 50 years from now I didn't want to think about what could have been and instead laugh at all the malarkey I had to go through to get where I will be.

On the eve of this cycle, don't take no for an answer if it is truly what you want to do. If you just wanna get rich look elsewhere. Money could be made easier and faster in other professions. But for those stubborn people like me, take constrictive criticism as insight on how to better yourself as a person as well as an applicant. These people are going to tell you their honest opinion during application reviews and it will be a broken record, but understand they are trying to help you, not belittle you. In the words of Jim Valvano, "Don't give up... Don't ever give up."

Good luck to all of you who will be applying this cycle!! If anyone has hay question I'd be happy to help!

Very inspiring post. Thank you for sharing your story!

 

[jetskii]

On the eve of the new cycle, I feel it is my time to post. Like those of you who are following this thread, I began my journey with a less than stellar GPA. But I didn't let it stop me. Dentistry is and always be my passion and I couldn't see myself doing another profession while enjoying what I do, so I saw it as the only route. a little background info, Graduated with a BS in Nutrition with a terrifying 2.5 GPA. I had a job since I was 14 and when I went off to school after 2 years at a state college, it was the first time I didn't have a job in 7 years. Lets just say my motivation was not there (That's being nice). I accepted a clinical position, but I realized I hated my job and I needed to go back to school and get my s@*t together. One day I looked at myself in the mirror and realized where I was and where I could be, and decided that I would not accept failure as an option, and set forth on an academic odyssey.

My first cycle I applied to 17 schools with ZERO interviews. It SUCKED! However I wouldn't let me down. I kind of expected it as I only had maybe 20 credits to my belt of solid GPA. I did application reviews at 12 of the universities who deemed me not competitive (likely true) and created a spread sheet to see what I could do to maximize my return on my time investment. Some said to retake my DAT ( 18 AA/19TS/20PT/ 20QR/ 23RC/22GC/ 17Bio/17OC) others said it wasn't worth it. Long story short I didn't let it stop me. I graduated with a second BS in microbiology in 2013 with a GPA of 3.74 and decided that I needed more education to make myself a competitive applicant (read my GPA was still shi**y).

I enrolled in an SMP at Mississippi College and reapplied to 20 schools. I was blessed with 5 interviews which lead to 5 wait-lists (Being on a wait-list is purgatory). I was a little bummed out that after busting my butt for almost 3 years I had nothing to show for it except degrees and loan payments coming up, but I didn't let it hinder the big picture of my goal of becoming a dentist and I graduated strong.

After placement on wait-lists, I kept in contact WEEKLY by email with all of them, updating them with what I did to improve myself, whether by additional shadowing or volunteer experience or updated marks from tests. I basically had a doorbell approach where I would just make them accept me and I will stop email them. I'm not saying that it is what everyone should do, but I kept it professional and to the point. I was not trying to waste any ones time in the admissions office, just showing them how much I wanted to become a dentist. I graduated with a MS in Biology (medical science) with a GPA of 3.97. I had held my GPA at 3.84 though 93credits over 3 years while working full time, having my first child born, getting married, shadowing, publishing research and volunteering.

I received two acceptances, from UF and VCU, and will be attending UF this fall. I couldn't have made a better decision 3 years ago when I decided to buck up and achieve what I knew I could. For those of you who are in these same shoes, you have a decision to make. It won't be easy and it will likely be expensive. But looking back 50 years from now I didn't want to think about what could have been and instead laugh at all the malarkey I had to go through to get where I will be.

On the eve of this cycle, don't take no for an answer if it is truly what you want to do. If you just wanna get rich look elsewhere. Money could be made easier and faster in other professions. But for those stubborn people like me, take constrictive criticism as insight on how to better yourself as a person as well as an applicant. These people are going to tell you their honest opinion during application reviews and it will be a broken record, but understand they are trying to help you, not belittle you. In the words of Jim Valvano, "Don't give up... Don't ever give up."

Good luck to all of you who will be applying this cycle!! If anyone has any question I'd be happy to help!

i am so happy for you. i am in the same boat except my gpa for undergrad is much lower than yours. thank you for letting me know that it is possible.

 

[bosniancoyote]

I also have a couple of questions for you wonderful people. I graduated college in 2007 with a "planned program" degree (fancy term for interdepartmental chemistry/zoology). I went through a lot in the first 3 years. I won't bore you all with details, but it led to me finally becoming smart enough to stop wrecking my grades. At this point my gpa was around a 2.4 or so. I took a semester off to get my act together, had a 3.5 through graduation and continued with 2 years of graduate level science classes at a 3.2 (graduate neuroscience kicked the crap out of me).

So, ultimately my cumulative GPA is a 2.67 but I have 3 years of courses (including graduate level) at a 3.25. When dental schools are evaluating positive trends how much time are they looking for? I know I didn't pull a 4.0, but I was working full time to pay the bills in addition to the course load and lab research. Should I consider continuing to take graduate level sciences, though I have so many hours that it is not feasible to reach a 3.0 cumulative?

I have over 100 hours shadowing, and around 80 hours volunteering at the low-cost dental clinic in my city. Last info, I'm 31.

 

[Hope0102]

Hello everyone! I'm a new here and need some help from you guys. I graduated in 2009 with Human Biology major. My Cumulative GPA was 2.82 Science GPA 2.74. During my undergrad, I took graduate level science classes such as Microbiology (GPA 3.0), Pharmacology (GPA 3.5) and Immunology (GPA 2.5). It's been 5 years since I graduated and was wondering if i still have a chance to go to dental school. Like many of you told us, should I get into post-bacc program and retake classes? I have never took DAT and need to study from now on. (5 years after graduation is long time and I don't know if I can remember the stuff) If I want to go into post-bacc program, do I have to take GRE or DAT first? I searched some schools and they require GRE or DAT test scores with minmum GPA of 3.0. Since my undergrad GPA is too low, I'm concerned if I could even get into post-bacc program. Please advise. Thank you for help.

 

[vsa1991]

Hello everyone! Im new here and need some help.

1. I have decided to do a post-bacc in order to boost my gap (2.99/SGPA2.6) DAT AA17 TS16 (retaking)
Im pretty set on taking classes on my own instead of joining a program since most schools say one isn't better than the other and it's much more financially friendly.
My question is how do I go about doing a post-bacc on my own?
I have no clue what classes to take and how many or anything like that?

Also, Im still applying to dental school this year and mentioning that Im retaking the DAT and doing post-bacc.
Do you think I have a chance at my state school at least (UAB)? My ECs are pretty competitive but I know thats not much against my gpa.

Last but not least, I know some people recommend getting to know the ADCOMS and calling/visiting them. How do I get in touch with them?
I called the UAB director of student admissions and asked her a few questions but she gets tons of calls like that daily and Im sure I didn't stick out to her.

 

[bosniancoyote]

Hi vsa1991. Im still hoping for feedback on my post, but I can help with at least 1 of your questions.

For my college (University of Oklahoma) there is a specific application to the college as a post-bacc student. Applicants who meet the requirements are admitted as non-degree seeking students and are able to enroll in graduate level courses they have the course requirements for. I assume many universities are similar, with specific applications for students wishing to take upper/graduate level courses while not seeking a degree. Since I would not be a graduate student, the courses would append to my undergraduate transcript.

My concern is that while I have a low oGPA/sGPA I already have 2 years of graduate level sciences at a 3.25. I presume if I still cannot obtain interviews/admission to a dental school I will have to target the pre-dental post-bacc specific programs. It would be the long way around, but with around 200 credit hours, my undergrad GPA's arent going to budge in 1 lifetime. My actual last 3 years were a 3.3 (temporarily an art student), 3.0, 3.5.

 

[derbear]

Hi vsa1991. Im still hoping for feedback on my post, but I can help with at least 1 of your questions.

For my college (University of Oklahoma) there is a specific application to the college as a post-bacc student. Applicants who meet the requirements are admitted as non-degree seeking students and are able to enroll in graduate level courses they have the course requirements for. I assume many universities are similar, with specific applications for students wishing to take upper/graduate level courses while not seeking a degree. Since I would not be a graduate student, the courses would append to my undergraduate transcript.

My concern is that while I have a low oGPA/sGPA I already have 2 years of graduate level sciences at a 3.25. I presume if I still cannot obtain interviews/admission to a dental school I will have to target the pre-dental post-bacc specific programs. It would be the long way around, but with around 200 credit hours, my undergrad GPA's arent going to budge in 1 lifetime. My actual last 3 years were a 3.3 (temporarily an art student), 3.0, 3.5.

I am just being honest here: With that gpa you will need much more than an upward trend of 3.3 or 3.5. I was sitting at a fairly low gpa (2.8ish) within my first 2 years due to personal problems and what not (essentially irrelevant). In my last two years I managed around a 3.75/3.8 gpa. And even with this upward trend I still know my gpa is low and will need an impeccable DAT. I would suggest taking several courses and getting as close to a 4.0 gpa that you can. 3.3/3.5 won't cut it.

 

[stomatology]

@Hope0102 I think rather than recommending you retake classes, most people would recommend that you take upper level science classes that you have not yet taken. Though you should retake any prerequisites you scored a C- or lower in. You don't necessarily need to get into a formal post-bacc program in order to be taking classes, and I think it might be a better idea to start taking classes informally before you try to take the DAT or GRE. That will get you in the studying mindset again and you'll be doing something to show that your track record has changed. Make sure you are getting a 4.0 or I'd say 3.8 at the lowest. If you cannot get A's without taking more than one class at a time, start with one a and build up over the course of a a few semesters. It's really important to keep that GPA high from here on out. Raising GPA is hard and realistically speaking anything below a 4.0 is only going to marginally help you.

@vsa1991 I did an informal post-bacc at two universities. One university allowed me to enroll as a non-degree seeking community student with a cap on how many credits I could take and the other university had me apply as a "transfer" student (even though I already finished my degree) because they have a policy of not giving out grades to someone not formally enrolled in a program. So I pretended that I was looking for a second degree in Biology and was able to take upper level biology classes as a result. I think you should determine what the policies are based on the university you want to attend and then figure things out. As for how do you go about choosing classes? I'd go by upper level biology classes that are recommended by dental schools (think anatomy, physiology, immunology, histology, cell biology, genetics, molecular biology, neurobiology, developmental biology, etc etc). Really any biology classes. As I said previously, GPA matters more than anything at this point for you so if you have to start out with one class a semester to keep that 4.0 that's what you're going to have to do.

@bosniancoyote I agree with @derbear that a 3.3/3.5 is really not going to help you out much. Did you say that even after you started studying better/working harder that your GPA over those 3 years was a 3.25 cumulative? That's still low for dental schools and honestly it's dead weight put on top of that 2.4 that was unable to raise it very much. I'm not sure what you should do at this point other than you need to take the seriousness of the situation into account. A lot of the admissions game is numbers-based in that having a low GPA will keep you out. It doesn't matter whether you're actually super qualified in other ways. So whatever you do, stop overexerting yourself (full course load + full time work + research?) and make a change in your life regarding how you approach studying. Unfortunately, I think for your situation there is no easy answer. If I were you, I would do whatever I could to make appointments with admissions officers at schools you are targeting to have a chat and figure out what they would have you do, because I don't know what someone with a low GPA and a less than stellar performance during a master's program should do.

SMPs are really risky (hard classes, high stakes, high cost), but they might be the only choice. If you do go the SMP route, you need to have 3.8+ GPA (as close to a 4.0 as possible) and even that might not be enough to cancel out your undergraduate GPA from what I hear.

 

[Ferneezy]

Hello everyone! Im new here and need some help.

1. I have decided to do a post-bacc in order to boost my gap (2.99/SGPA2.6) DAT AA17 TS16 (retaking)
Im pretty set on taking classes on my own instead of joining a program since most schools say one isn't better than the other and it's much more financially friendly.
My question is how do I go about doing a post-bacc on my own?
I have no clue what classes to take and how many or anything like that?

Also, Im still applying to dental school this year and mentioning that Im retaking the DAT and doing post-bacc.
Do you think I have a chance at my state school at least (UAB)? My ECs are pretty competitive but I know thats not much against my gpa.

Last but not least, I know some people recommend getting to know the ADCOMS and calling/visiting them. How do I get in touch with them?
I called the UAB director of student admissions and asked her a few questions but she gets tons of calls like that daily and Im sure I didn't stick out to her.

first off, prepare yourself for the very real possibility of an unsuccessful application to dental school this cycle.
second, it kinda makes no sense in my mind to apply with that GPA/DAT combo while taking additional undergrad classes (which is somewhat of an admission that your file isn't quite ready yet)...but if you want to throw your money away, be my guest.

gchem, ochem, genbio, physics: what were your grades in those courses?
if you've taken any other science courses, what were they and what grades did you receive?
how long has it been since you've graduated?

based on your snapshot of a post, you seem to be nowhere near a place to start thinking about retaking a DAT or even taking an ADCOM's temperature. at this point, you're bargaining from a position of weakness.

 

[lg245]

For those with low gpa does it really matter if I take a short masters program or take upper division science courses at a local state college or uc to improve my gpa?

 

[LaughingGas]

@lg245
General rule is, if you have less than 3.0 ogpa / sgpa, take upper div science courses then do SMP
If 3.3> your gpa >3.0 then SMP.

 

[brondals]

For those with low gpa does it really matter if I take a short masters program or take upper division science courses at a local state college or uc to improve my gpa?

By short masters program, I'm assuming you're referring to the 1-year programs? According to the schools that i've spoken to, a masters makes you a stronger applicant if you've completed the required and recommended sciences coursework. Keep in mind that a lot of schools also want to see you complete the program before accepting you.

If you choose the post-baccalaureate route, they typically like to see 1-1.5 years of an upwards trend to show consistency.

That being said, if you feel your GPA trend has already been dramatically improving, I would opt to take upper division science courses at the state college level with full time status. This would give you a chance at interviews when you post your academic update.

 

[gstead245]

Wait so in my situation I have a 3.0 ogpa and a 2.8 science gpa should I just take upper division science classes at my local state college with full time status to improve my stats? Or should I apply to short masters program?

 

[LaughingGas]

@gstead245 The thing is, there are cut offs at 3.0 but not sure if that's for ogpa or sgpa or both. In your case tho, you should do 1 year full time taking upper div then SMP ( 1 year track). With good DAT, you might get into the SMP, but you will be placed for 1.5 ~ 2 year track, since the 1 year track is based on the undergrad GPA.

 

[vsa1991]

Hi vsa1991. Im still hoping for feedback on my post, but I can help with at least 1 of your questions.

For my college (University of Oklahoma) there is a specific application to the college as a post-bacc student. Applicants who meet the requirements are admitted as non-degree seeking students and are able to enroll in graduate level courses they have the course requirements for. I assume many universities are similar, with specific applications for students wishing to take upper/graduate level courses while not seeking a degree. Since I would not be a graduate student, the courses would append to my undergraduate transcript.

My concern is that while I have a low oGPA/sGPA I already have 2 years of graduate level sciences at a 3.25. I presume if I still cannot obtain interviews/admission to a dental school I will have to target the pre-dental post-bacc specific programs. It would be the long way around, but with around 200 credit hours, my undergrad GPA's arent going to budge in 1 lifetime. My actual last 3 years were a 3.3 (temporarily an art student), 3.0, 3.5.

I know the feeling. With all the credits we have by now it's hard to raise GPAs. What are your ECs like? I thing with your GPA and a decent DAT you can get some interviews. I have heard of quite a few people getting in with your stats. maybe not to a top school but still.

 

[vsa1991]

Ferneezy,
I graduated in May. Gchems were A and B. Bio was A. Physics was A and A-
Higher level bio is were everything went down hill. Mostly Cs
I'm retaking the DAT in September lets just say I make no lower than a 23 across the board.
If I send my application after I take the DAT, could I get into my state school?(UAB)
I was thinking about taking the DAT In September and starting a DIY post-bacc in the Fall.

Why am I in no shape to take the dat?Im studying for it from now till Sept. That's with no job or school in the way.

 

[ICUrunning]

Ferneezy,
I graduated in May. Gchems were A and B. Bio was A. Physics was A and A-
Higher level bio is were everything went down hill. Mostly Cs
I'm retaking the DAT in September lets just say I make no lower than a 23 across the board.
If I send my application after I take the DAT, could I get into my state school?(UAB)
I was thinking about taking the DAT In September and starting a DIY post-bacc in the Fall.

Why am I in no shape to take the dat?Im studying for it from now till Sept. That's with no job or school in the way.

If you are addressing someone comments, use the reply button on the side of their comment to reply to their comment. That way they get a notification that someone has responded. Otherwise, they may not know.

 

[vsa1991]

If you are addressing someone comments, use the reply button on the side of their comment to reply to their comment. That way they get a notification that someone has responded. Otherwise, they may not know.

I know, but I wanted other to be able to see my comment too and not skip over it. Thanks for looking out though!

 

[stomatology]

You could also tag the person by typing @ and the username. That way they'll get a notification. For example @vsa1991 🙂

 

[Ferneezy]

Ferneezy,
I graduated in May. Gchems were A and B. Bio was A. Physics was A and A-
Higher level bio is were everything went down hill. Mostly Cs
I'm retaking the DAT in September lets just say I make no lower than a 23 across the board.
If I send my application after I take the DAT, could I get into my state school?(UAB)
I was thinking about taking the DAT In September and starting a DIY post-bacc in the Fall.

Why am I in no shape to take the dat?Im studying for it from now till Sept. That's with no job or school in the way.

you started strong then fell off a cliff. you did the opposite of an upward trend. as a fresh graduate, you've had no time to 'grow' and reflect on your poor ugrad performance. have you recognized and addressed the issues that prevented you from earning As?

additionally, i think we (read: any poster on this forum) should refrain from dat speculation until one actually posts up scores. odds are against you to clock in an improved score compared to your first effort.

i say you're in no shape to retake the dat because scores expire, and you have lots of gpa repair ahead of you.
<--- check my join date. that's five years ago, and i was at a point slightly worse than you. shortly thereafter i enrolled in school, taking courses to get As and build a solid argument in support of my bid to enter dental school. i retook a handful of pre-reqs, but insisted on heavily weighing my semesters with upper levels to demonstrate that i can hack it. it wasn't until i had a rack of As in my back pocket that i shifted my attention to taking the dat. the added benefit of waiting until after my academic blitz to take the dat was that those courses were a somewhat built-in study session for it.

the entire reason i did it that way was to have as complete an application as possible when i hit "submit" on the aadsas portal last year. there was no "continuing classes" or "new dat scores pending" when i threw my hat in the ring. i was giving adcoms my best shot. you...aren't.

you ask if you can get in to your state school. the answer is of course you can, but it likely won't happen this cycle. why? because you haven't provided any evidence of your ability to do dental school. and this is why i really think you're throwing good money after bad if you apply this year for a consecutive cycle.

i'm not telling you it's impossible to get into dschool with a low gpa, i'll forever be below 3.0 and i got a couple of interviews last year, but i put in the work. you might want to do the same.

 

[vsa1991]

You could also tag the person by typing @ and the username. That way they'll get a notification. For example @vsa1991 🙂

Gotcha! thanks🙂

 

[vsa1991]

you started strong then fell off a cliff. you did the opposite of an upward trend. as a fresh graduate, you've had no time to 'grow' and reflect on your poor ugrad performance. have you recognized and addressed the issues that prevented you from earning As?

additionally, i think we (read: any poster on this forum) should refrain from dat speculation until one actually posts up scores. odds are against you to clock in an improved score compared to your first effort.

i say you're in no shape to retake the dat because scores expire, and you have lots of gpa repair ahead of you.
<--- check my join date. that's five years ago, and i was at a point slightly worse than you. shortly thereafter i enrolled in school, taking courses to get As and build a solid argument in support of my bid to enter dental school. i retook a handful of pre-reqs, but insisted on heavily weighing my semesters with upper levels to demonstrate that i can hack it. it wasn't until i had a rack of As in my back pocket that i shifted my attention to taking the dat. the added benefit of waiting until after my academic blitz to take the dat was that those courses were a somewhat built-in study session for it.

the entire reason i did it that way was to have as complete an application as possible when i hit "submit" on the aadsas portal last year. there was no "continuing classes" or "new dat scores pending" when i threw my hat in the ring. i was giving adcoms my best shot. you...aren't.

you ask if you can get in to your state school. the answer is of course you can, but it likely won't happen this cycle. why? because you haven't provided any evidence of your ability to do dental school. and this is why i really think you're throwing good money after bad if you apply this year for a consecutive cycle.

i'm not telling you it's impossible to get into dschool with a low gpa, i'll forever be below 3.0 and i got a couple of interviews last year, but i put in the work. you might want to do the same.

hmmm, you've got some really good points. And I know I shouldn't "assume" I will get a high DAT score and Im not. Im just really tempted to apply to my state school after my DAT comes in this year.
Thanks for the input. I really appreciate it!
Have you gotten in yourself yet?

 

[Ferneezy]

yeah. i start next week or something like that

 

[vsa1991]

Congrats! Im sure you are thrilled.

 

[toothy1991]

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[Ferneezy]

What do you guys think are my chances?

what are your new GPAs after the postbacc?
looks like you're a texas resident, where else did you apply?
URM?