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hi all,
I am an undergrad theology major I plan to get lisceneced with foursquare or AOG and then apply to med school. So, can I still hang out although I am not pre-med? It is nice to be with others who are trying not to go crazy.
 
Welcome Bluewheels!

"Pre-med" doesn't mean a pre-med major (most of us regulars aren't by the way, many schools don't offer it as a major). "Pre-med" simply means you want to go to med school and are taking the prerequisites for med school so you are most definitely premed.

Excuse my ignorance, but what are Foursquare and AOG?

Your degree in theology will certainly give you an interesting perspective for medicine!

--Jessica, UCCS
 
Am i sorry i found this thread so late!! Although i do post on this forum and others as well--it's nice to run across a thread that addresses where i am at this moment. I'm wrapping up soph yr (graduating in may with associates degree-yay!!:clap: :clap: ). Just got my acceptance letter from UIC majoring in biochemistry. This semester I only took 13 creds--Bio2, Chem 2 and a required speech class. I needed a break after last semester when i took 21 creds- Chem1, Microbiology, Sociology, Anthropology, and Humanities (philosophy and lit). Will be taking Orgo 1 and Phys 1 in summer school (if i decide to go to UIC--still waiting to hear from Loyola which has an earlier summer school start date which allows u to squeeze in a whole yr of science---Orgo 1 & 2, Physics 1 & 2). Spent the last hour reading this thread and have really enjoyed it!!!:clap:
 
Originally posted by Skaterbabe74

"Excuse my ignorance, but what are Foursquare and AOG?

--Jessica, UCCS

It is all good 🙂<a href="http://www.foursquare.org/index.cfm?cat=about" target=_new>foursquare</a>

<a href="http://www.ag.org/top/"Target=_blank> AOG</a>
 
Hey all.

Allow me to express my greetings to you, bluewheels and Tyra!

I've said before, and I'll say it again. Heck, I'll probably keep on saying it every time we get new members! 😀 It's great to have more members on board! The diversity here is so amazing...makes me feel like a typical applicant.

bluewheels - a theology major sounds pretty interesting...do you plan on becoming like a medical missionary, doing international medical missions work? I know that Yale has a combined Doctor of Medicine/Master of Divinity program 😉

Tyra - hmm...Organic Chem in the summer? That sounds a bit tough. I wonder why it's offered in the summer anyways? 😛 Well, I hope that you can handle the hardcore science! 🙂

LilSquirt1217 - Hey, don't get worried about a 3.45 GPA. You've still got time to improve it, right? I mean, there's still second semester of Biology, Chem 1 and Chem 2, O-Chem 1 and 2, Physics 1 and 2...work hard and it would probably increase to around 3.5, the average for people who apply and are accepted to med school. Besides, my GPA is A LOT worse than that...try 2.5 😡 I'm not worried, 'cuz I'll improve. 🙂 Oh yeah, and don't worry about being behind. If you have to take your time in order to score excellent grades, then you should do so.

As for me, I finally got my stupid hepatitis B immunization hold removed, so I signed up for summer school. I'm gonna take a 300-level psychology course (recommended for juniors and seniors), even though I'm still a freshman. If people have a problem with that, I'll say bite me 😛

So, my summer school schedule is:

1st session June 2 - July 11

World History to the 16th century
Introduction to American Studies

2nd session July 14 - Aug 15 (I think that it was Aug 15)

World History since the 16th century
Pyschology of Personality

All General Education required classes...non-major related, but required in order to graduate. I might as well get 'em done now, considering the courseload that I'm putting myself through...my major requires a person to take so many units of classes, but at least my minor is a bit more flexible.

RANDOM THOUGHTS

Sometimes I've thought about changing majors, but if I do, I'll still have to take the classes that I'm taking now. I don't like Chemistry, and it's become pretty hard, but I realize that I can't avoid it if I really want to go to med school and become a doctor. This also happened last semester during the course of my first biology course. The difficulty made me want to give up; my motivation to become a physician forced me to stay, and work, and study my behind off. I dunno why I'm ranting about this, but I thought that it might be significant to tell you all.

Well, I guess it's because some people DO giveup, I see it all the time. People who thought that they wanted to become pediatricians or dermatologists or whatever, they take these intense science courses with me and just quit. I've seen this happen to at least five of my classmates already, and I'm only a freshman. I wonder how many will quit when Organic Chemistry rolls around.

One classmate decided that the studying wasn't worth missing out on college parties and changed her major to Psychology. Two others changed their majors to business because they felt that pre-med was too difficult, and that the commitment was too long. Another changed her career path from medicine to pharmacy because, well, medicine requires so much from a person, and she didn't want to study for so long. And number five, well, I do know that she went into pre-pharmacy for the wrong reasons - people were telling her that it was a good industry to go into...I tried to warn her that she should study something and work in that industry because she wants to, not because it offered ample job opportunities...well, now she doesn't want to study Chemistry anymore...




My next Chemistry exam is on Wednesday, April 23. Wish me luck!
 
Welcome Tyra!! Congrats on your associate's and your acceptance to UIC! Good luck on Loyola 😀

21 credits? Ouch....I'm gonna have to take 19 next spring and I'm not looking forward to that (it's only 4 classes tho) let alone adding a whole class on top of that lol. Since you acheived that success I'm sure you'll be fine taking both Organic and Physics - don't know about finishing the entire year in one summer for both tho. Sounds like the stuff to make someone go nuts! Good luck tho 🙂 If you need some supplemental stuff on Organic, check out University of Colorado - Colorado Springs online organic chem course. I've heard it's great (both from students here and students off campus)

There are a few other Chicagoans around here that I'm sure will pop their heads in soon (I grew up in Aurora/Naperville - moved to Colorado 5 years ago)

Bluewheels - thanks for the info 🙂

Biodude - Don't worry about thinking about switching majors; I think I switched my major about 7 times in between my junior year of high school (ACT) and getting to where I am now and I've made a full circle lol😀 . Now that many times is a bit excessive and it's sure added a lot of unnecessary credits to my transcript, but everyone "thinks" about switching their major at least a couple times during their undergrad careers. I'm still trying to decide if I really want to do psych as a minor (not so much that I'm disliking anything about it, but not so sure I'll really have time to fit it all in - plus I want to take other humanities like history, lit, philosophy, film classes too). By just doing those elective type classes over the summer I could probably get close to about 5 different minors lol and not end up with any but at least I'll have fun 😀

Also, don't worry about the jr/sr thing on psych of personality. That's only because it's an upper division class - so long as you have your general psych (which you do) you'll be fine.

I think you'll also find that Gen Chem II is actually a bit easier than Gen Chem I for the most part. Lots of plug and chug so hang in there😀 Good luck on your chem test Wed!

As for me, I've dropped Calc II for the summer (the only school I've seen so far that needs a full year is Duke and I seriously doubt I'd have a chance at that school anyway lol), and am starting to resign myself to the fact that I'll be taking Calc I yet again at summer school, only this time probably through UC-Berkeley Extension (it's cheaper than going through our CC's online and uses the same book, and I don't like the teacher who's teaching it at the CC in the classroom lol)

I got a 76 (B) on my Chem test Fri which is fine, but takes me down to a B by .4%. It's strange I'll get A's on the quizzes, and B's on the tests, but I should get an A in lab so that'll give me an A overall. The other funny thing is that I'm extremely consistent in my scores lol - quiz 1 and 3 I got 26/30, quiz 2 27/30; test 1 and 3 76/100, and test 2 75/100. Last semester in Chem I was all over the place! lol

--Jessica, UCCS
 
Good choice on dropping calc 2.

Hey Tyra. I'm from the Northwest Chicagoland area.

Welcome bluewheels.

I'm still waiting to find out for sure if my work will pay for Northwestern. I have my 2nd to last trig test on Wednesday. I got tutored this weekend so I feel a little more prepared.

I'm really happy at all out new members. My new baby is so nice

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Hey agent, thanx for the pics! 😀

I wonder how many women are gonna go "aawwww" at the little fella. I hope Northwestern lets you in, and good luck on yer trig test! You'll be taking it the same day I take my Chem test.

bluewheels - sorry about my hasty response there. You seem to be interested in religion, so a school like Loma Linda School of Medicine seems right up your alley.

Skaterbabe - thanks for the encouragement. I figured as much, seeing as how the average college student seems to change majors quite a bit. Well, the only requirement for Psych of Personality is Intro Psych (Psych 101)...there wasn't any "upper-division" requirement unlike some other classes that I know of, like a certain cultural diversity course that I was planning to take, or the medical ethics course that'll be sure to help me for med school interviews 😛

Yeah, I heard that Chem II is less difficult and more fun than Chem I. I hope so, and I also hope that my next Chem professor is a good one...looks like my current prof isn't going to be teaching any classes next semester. Interesting consistency...I'm always consistent in taking tests for classes, whether it be in the A range, or the F range. I've never had mine all over the place before. Actually, I'm not all that worried about my Chem test, because well, my prof drops the lowest score...my first test was 77/100 (B) and my second was 86/100 (A). I have one more test after Wednesday's before the Final Exam. I guess I could goof off now if I wanted to 😀

As for Duke, I noticed that too. I talked to my pre-med advisor after a certain pre-med classmate of mine said, "Don't take Short Course Calculus (one course for non-math majors), take the Math major version (Calc I and Calc II)!" Heh, yeah right. I'm not a math person...my pre-med advisor said that it doesn't matter which one I will take unless I plan on taking Physics for Physics majors, which I am not, btw. I will take the watered-down version, which seems to have helped people in the past just as much (if not more) in preparing for the MCAT's. All that'll show up on my AMCAS transcript will be "Calculus" and "Physics" anyhow 😀 My pre-med advisor also explained to me that very few medical schools that require a full year of Calculus actually stick strictly to their requirements. For the ones that do, I could just take a second semester over the summer.

So, anyways, what I was trying to get at was that I e-mailed Duke a short while after talking to my pre-med advisor, and said that I was a pre-med student interested in Duke's medical school. I said that I only took one semester of Calculus and noticed that they required a year of Calculus. If I had to take a year, then I would take the second semester over the summer to be sure of completing their requirements. Duke's response said that one semester is fine 😱

So my point here is, go ask the school. Med schools are actually more lax about some of their more obscure requirements (like Johns Hopkins' humanities requirement) than you might expect. UCSF, one of the schools that I would really love to go to, requires Vertebrate Zoology, and my school does not offer Vertebrate Zoology. That really got me down until I asked them what I should do about that. Their response was like Duke's: don't worry about it, it is assumed that a student has learned Vertebrate Zoology in the one year Biology requirement, and that all of the alternative courses that my school offered were fine and met their requirements.
 
Northwestern is more of a money issue at this point.

I'm hoping my parents once ahain can bail me out. I hate that, but I guess its a nec evil.
 
I have a question for all of you "non traditional" premeds going to school full time- how are you supporting yourselves? Just curious. I am planning on going back full time eventually (when I pay stuff off/down). I'll try to get a job in a hospital seeing as I think that will accomodate a school schedule the best. I'll look into scholarships. finanical aid.. Is there anything else I'm missing? No spouse to help out. I don't think I live too luxuriously but I still have the car payment, rent etc... Very scary to be broke.
 
I go to school at night right after work. I also work on the weekends.

I study most nights btx 10pm -1am
 
Do you have ever have fun and relax? I like being busy, I get more done that way but I need releases. Just trying to figure out what I may be getting myself into.

What do you do during the day? What is your job?

Thanks,
Kate
 
Originally posted by katetlo
I have a question for all of you "non traditional" premeds going to school full time- how are you supporting yourselves?

Well, I'm not in school full-time this semester, but was last semester and will be during the summer (if you count "full-time" by number of credit hours).

I take classes at night and online.

Right now I'm taking 8 credit hours and my courses meet on Tues/Thurs from 5pm to 9.30pm. I normally work 8-5, Mon-Fri.

I'm terrified of affording to go back to school full-time, moreso since I have two little ones to support. 🙂 So for now I'm going to be plugging away at the online/night thing for as long as possible. 🙂

Good luck! Where there's a will, there's a way. 🙂
 
AGENT! Your baby is ADORABLE! I love the froggie outfit and blankie. 🙂

I just got my bill for my ONE summer class...ugh, nothing like throwing $700 away! I'll have to study my butt off to make it worth it, at least.

I'm having so much fun reading this thread. I think I check it at least 10 times a day for new postings! I haven't really had the chance to talk to many other pre-meds who (at least kind of) know what they're doing, and I like talking about all the different medical schools and getting advice on the MCAT and classes and everything.

Well, it's back to lab flashcards for my biology class. I have my final in lab on Wednesday and I'm getting a little nervous trying to remember all those phylums and classes. Nothing like the last 2 weeks of classes to finally put your nose to the grindestone! 😱

Have a great day everyone!
-Niki-
 
Aw...Agent, Nate is adorable 🙂

Good luck on your test! I hope it works out that your work will pay for Northwestern. That sure would help things out! At least if you absolutely have to you do have your parents to go to. I could use the help but they can't (mom) or won't (dad).

I know I'll need to call the schools themselves if my prereqs aren't quite the same but at this point I'm just starting to research schools...next step will be calling to figure out if I really have everything I need lol.

Katelo - The only thing you'll need to remember when it comes to holding a job and getting financial aid is that the more money you make the less aid you'll get. I was lucky in that I got laid off from my job and have been getting a pretty healthy unemployment check (there was still a lot of full time in the year used to determine it) and got my school to redo my financial aid for next year based on my new circumstances. Otherwise I was only getting loans...now I'm eligible for over $15,000 in aid (including workstudy), and I hope that's all I'll need cuz I don't want to work more than that. So far it's working pretty well, but we'll see for next year when I don't have the unemployment anymore lol

As far as finding time for fun, I obviously have more time available to me then some of the others but I find I'm studying almost all of the time (course I take a lot of puter breaks, and study with the tv on usually). I do find the time to spend with my bf once/twice a week, but I rarely go out anymore (we also live in a very boring town and the place we used to go doesn't have the bartender we liked anymore). I'm honestly not much of a going out person tho. I always find time to read, play on the puter, watch favorite shows, etc but I'm definitely studying a lot to get the grades....

Ouch Lilsquirt! Thankfully mine aren't that expensive, although I'm still waiting to find out whether I get any summer aid or not. I'm taking 2 on campus that are basically as expensive as the 2 I'll be taking off campus through uc-berkeley...between $400-$500.

Anyway, have a good week everyone! I'm off to work on calc (i think) 🙂

--Jessica, UCCS
 
Originally posted by katetlo
Do you have ever have fun and relax? I like being busy, I get more done that way but I need releases. Just trying to figure out what I may be getting myself into.

What do you do during the day? What is your job?

Thanks,
Kate

I pretty much don't have a life outside work and the family.

I own and work on the website FinallyFantasy.com and during the day I work as Technical support for the Follett Software Co www.follettsoftware.com
 
Agent- your baby is so darned cute!!! awwwww...... i got little goosebumps! Congrats:clap: :clap:
 
Hi,
I am really hoping not to have to get my Mdev or Dmin degree, but I will if I feel the Lord leading that way. For now I am in a terminal Bible college program. they say it is "terminal" because a person get licensed straight out of here. I think it is called that for other reasons😉
 
Originally posted by katetlo
Do you have ever have fun and relax? I like being busy, I get more done that way but I need releases. Just trying to figure out what I may be getting myself into.

What do you do during the day? What is your job?

I'm like Agent - don't have time for much but school/work/housework/hubby/kids. 🙂

It's tough, but I think I've discovered I'm one of those people who thrive on chaos. I function much better when I'm stretched lots of different ways - leaves me with less time to worry about other not-so-important things. 🙂

I'm an engineering clerk for a heavy equipment design/manufacturing group (http://www.taylorbigred.com).
 
For as much as I complain about school and how hard it is.. if I didnt have school I would complain about that.

My big trig test is tonight. I really would like to get a B
 
Good luck with your trig test today, Agent.

As for me, I have a final in my biology lab tonight, plus a paper due tomorrow that has about 3 sentences to it so far. 🙁 The only thing that keeps running through my head is "Phylum Arthropoda...Class Scyphozoa....Subphylum Vertebrata...." Oh it's gonna be a busy day!

Niki
 
Thanks! Good luck to you as well.
 
Finals are right around the corner for me as well; man I can't wait till this semester is over......
 
Originally posted by Valinor
Finals are right around the corner for me as well; man I can't wait till this semester is over......

I'm super glad its almost over
 
hi how your prep for exam I- mdonig fine except for math I am quite nervious and I don-t feel to good about it but anyway that happen to me all the time because i don-t like them at all.


I am finals so soon first chem ii,history I ,math and general physiology + chem paper due next tuesday.

wish l luck for finals.

minx😱 +pissed+
 
Good luck on your tests Agent and Lilsquirt!

Thankfully my calculus test got put off until the 28th so I'll have all weekend to concentrate on that.

I got a 78.7% on my A&P lecture exam so I barely have a B in the class, but I still have one more lab exam and one more lecture exam to get it a bit higher. I don't think they will be too awful considering they are only on the endocrine and reproductive systems...lots of memorization to keep all the hormones straight but I'll get through it lol.

Yesterday was our last official Chem lab - next week we just have to finish our write-up from the last experiment, and check in our drawers. Yay! Course then we have to write a 15 pg paper about what all we did this semester lol. It's actually not as bad as it sounds...graphs and stuff count as pages...

Finals for us don't start for 3 weeks, but I am starting to review for the chem final since it's over the whole year...not that I've gotten very far yet tho lol. It's amazing how much you forget in 9 months lol. I'll have my Chem final and Abnormal Psych final on the same day (psych isn't cummulative tho), A&P the following day (again not cummulative), and then my Calc final the following Monday so it's really not an awful final schedule thankfully.

I also found out that I'm not getting any grants or work study for the summer semester...thankfully I'll have unemployment through August to pay rent and stuff but I'm gonna have to dip into my year's loans to pay for classes and books 🙁 I'm sure it will still all work out but yuck!

--Jessica, UCCS
 
Hey everyone, just wanted to drop by to express my sentiments.

I've still got about 5 weeks before finals...I have one more exam in Chemistry before finals looms over (2 if you include the ACS standardized exam - ACS - American Chemical Society). I am feeling constantly tired and just wondering about the pains that I'm putting myself through here. Am I glad that it will be over soon (ok, one month...but four weeks goes by relatively quickly)!

I took the Chemistry exam today, and I will not be surprised if my grade is low. I just wasn't prepared for this one. Oh well, it shouldn't affect my grade if I stomp the next test(s) and kill the final. My Chemistry professor drops the lowest test score anyhow.

As for my other courses...I have an English 101 essay to do (the rough draft anyways) for tomorrow. I have a Political Science Exam coming up at the very beginning of May (3rd out of 5 exams), and as for Psychology, well, I dunno...I'm doing ok in that class. Not as well as I wish I could do, but I'm not doing too badly (maybe a B).

Chemistry lab is also tomorrow, and this week it looks like I'll be finishing up on titrations, which I started last week. It's pretty cool to add in an acid after mixing an indicator with base and water. Turns the solution purple, but shake it up and it becomes clear again 😎 Of course, put in too much acid and it sours the solution purple...the aim is to achieve a balance between acid and base.

I guess I've settled my earlier resentment with labs, because well, they're actually becoming a bit more fun. Chemistry lab grades aren't as bad as Biology lab grades at my school though...200 points compared to 600 points worth of tests in Chemistry, and 55% of the Biology grade comes from labs, 45% from lecture.

Well, as I said in an earlier post, my GPA blows chunks (2.5). Of course, I did some calculations in my free time yesterday...I could increase it to about 3.57 by next year if I start studying hardcore...and my science? Well...that'll be something to work on 😀

Oh yeah, and I do like this thread. Awfully helpful when I'm feeling down or ready to call it quits. I'm gonna go schedule an appointment with my pre-med advisor.
 
So I thought I'd update everyone on my Lab final (Thanks to everyone who gave their luck😀 )...It went okay. I made a few stupid mistakes b/c I didn't use my common sense, but I think I did pretty well...my hard core preparation really paid off, as I don't think anyone else in my section seemed nearly as prepared.

Now I'm on to my research paper for my Honors art class...it's all about theater this semester, so my final paper is on The Crucible and how it relates to McCarthyism (obviously) and a couple other historical witch hunts, plus some going on today. Yea, it's due tomorrow and I'm currently on page 4...I better get back to that!

Oh yea, I got back from a pre-med meeting a little while ago where we got to ask a few of this years graduating students (and hopefully med school students soon) about the application/interview/MCAT processes. A good time was had by all, until I remembered that Organic Chem will be in my not-so-distant future...🙁

Have a good evening everyone!

-Niki-
 
I studied my ass off for this last math test and the first page was like definitions and just writing out all the formulas!!!! Many I dont even use.

The teacher never said anything about having definitions and writing out ALL of the trig formulas on the test.. that kind of stuff has never been on any other test.

So even though I studied hardcore Im sure that f*cked my grade right there. I'd like to hit this teacher with my car.

Good thing its a 5.0 class so the lowest I can get is 3.0.
 
Hey everybody! Man am I glad that this week is coming to a close...I'll be taking finals at the end of May.

As for me, let's see what I have left to do for my classes:

Chemistry - a few little homework assignments, 1 exam on chapters 1 thru 9, the American Chemical Society Standardized Exam, and the Final (Chapters 1 thru 10); I have one more lab to get done with dealing with most of the lab procedures that I have used up to this point and my lab instructor isn't going to help...swell 🙄

Psychology - a few more quizzes (my prof here loves to go quizzes), a 7 page term paper on a Psychology-related topic, and the Final Exam

Political Science - 2 more exams, one on Congress, the Presidency, and the Judicial system, one on California's government; there is also a final exam, but if I do well on the previous 2 then I can ditch the final and still have an A in the class (final counts the same as every other exam and the prof drops the lowest score)

English - 2 or 3 more essays to write, plus a portfolio of 2 revised essays instead of a final exam (but the revised essays count just as much as a final exam in a "normal" class)

That makes 2 finals that are mandatory to study for, one on a Wednesday, one on a Friday...I'd take the Political Science one on a Tuesday if I don't do well on the 2 exams before it.

Next semester's planned schedule (14 semester units total):

Biology 172 (5 units) - Cellular Basis of Life (Cell Biology for those who are wondering): Hopefully I'll get my first choice professor...she doesn't give out mid-terms or finals, just a bunch of quizzes. Plus, I hear that she's real kind to her students. If not her, then the other prof...I've heard some pretty nasty things said about him ("He treats his students like HIGH SCHOOL students!" was one quote). But from what I hear, he takes his test questions from the MCAT. Good practice, I suppose.

What's really funny about this class is...I still don't know how to use a microscope yet so I'm probably gonna be in big trouble when I start this class (I was SUPPOSED to learn how to use one in my previous bio class but I was a dork and recorded the results that lab partners produced in experiments; good trade-off 'til I got to Gen Chem I and everyone had to do their own experiments by themselves and recorded their own results...that's why I SO HATED lab up 'til now)


Chemistry 120B (5 units) - General Chemistry II: Only one professor is going to teach this course the next semester (not my current one), so I'll have no choice in the matter, but I heard that he was a cool dude, so I've got no problems...except maybe competing with other people signing up for spots in his class (yeah, that's right, only one stinkin' lecture! What a rip).

Learning to make aspirin has been an enticing aspect for all the pre-pharm people in my current Chem class. Also, since it's a continuation from Gen Chem I, I don't have to shell out 60 more bucks for another textbook - I use the same one that I use now.


Math 130 (4 units) - Short Course in Calculus: Well, I've heard some conflicting reports on the professors teaching this class...apparently, the professor that one chooses here depends on the personality that one prefers. For example, there's one prof who's upbeat and lively, but he's also very blunt and expects his students to know how to do the math after he only shows one stinkin' example. Some aggressive/assertive people like this aspect, but some people (like me) require many examples and many different numbers. It's gonna be tough for me to find a prof here that fits me.

Hmm...what can I say? I hate math, so I opted to take the "Calculus for non-math people" class. There's nothing wrong with that. Even my pre-med advisor said that med schools don't care, having worked at places like Harvard Med School before. I skipped pre-cal (which is not a requirement for this particular class, btw), plus I only need one semester of calculus for my bio degree and very very few med schools (like Duke) require an entire year of calculus. My personal top 3 don't require it at all. So no biggie.


While talkin' about classes, I feel like I'm missing out on doing research, or volunteering, or getting clinical experience. Those are all areas that I am worried about. My pre-med advisor really hasn't been much help so far there, because he seems to have focused a lot on academics and class scheduling. Well, I finally figured out that my grades from last semester suck because of bad TIME MANAGEMENT and having to adapt my study habits to fit college. I would end up scheduling a volunteer activity on a day that I should be studying for a largely important biology exam...and if you could choose between hitting the books or going out to help people, no contest for me there, I'd go out and help, even though med schools see grades before compassion 🙄

But now I've started to manage my time better and I think that I've got good study habits (I think that my Chemistry exam scores should speak for themselves)...I'm ready to get goin' on my EC's darn it! I don't like being confined to studying and acing exams and stuff. It really has been starting to make me wonder why I wanted to be a doc in the first place.

It really would be nice to go out and help people as a reminder and a reinforcer so that I don't end up questioning it and dropping it like I see some of my classmates do. 5 and counting...the non-traditionals are VERY determined though so I try to hang out with them. So much more mature, kind, and also especially driven and motivated compared to people my age to went into it on a whim and started "dropping like flies" as the expression goes, because they end up underestimating the difficulty of pre-med courses and the commitment and sacrifice required to be a doctor.

I'd say about 80% of the people in my Chemistry class are pre-health...out of that 80% I'd say about 80% are pre-med, because about 80% of the people in the Student Health Professions Association are pre-med. I have a feeling that about 20% of that 80% will remain when it's time to apply...do y'all follow me here? 😛

So many pre-meds at the beginning of the long journey, and yet so few reach the middle of the road, taking the MCATs and getting ready to apply to medical school...and yet a large percentage of that few don't get into medical school...interesting prospect.

I do trust my pre-med advisor...didn't take his advice and what he said would happen is exactly what happened! 😱
After that, if you were in my position, would you still not listen to 'im? 😀

Sorry for the abnormally long post (took about 90 minutes to type it all out), people, but I'm just glad to finally be able to get SOME rest.
 
Northwestern wont have their fall schedule for their new evening bio major till july.

My brother in law is going to do my extra credit for pre-calc.. hopefully the teacher doesnt notice the writing difference.
 
Agent - you're so fortunate to have found that evening bio program, good luck with it! I'm getting a little frustrated by the college programs around here. The only evening/weekend programs I've come across are for a BS in business admin or management. 🙁

Biodude - is that your summer or fall schedule?

Good luck to everybody with finals coming up...

My A & P II final is Tuesday, don't know how much studying I'll get done since my husband is going to be out of town for a concert (Disturbed, I think) all weekend - and he didn't even invite me! The louse!
 
It's Friday, It's Friday, It's Friday! 😀

Sorry to hear your test sucked Agent. I hate when you expect problems and get definitions...my chem prof likes to do that to us too. Good job on your lab exam LilSquirt!

I've got my last chem quiz today, but it won't be too bad. Hardest thing is writing out the names for formulas of long complexes lol. Then I've got one exam over ch 22 and ch 23 (transition metals and nuclear chem), and the ACS final over the entire year (thankfully it counts for the same amount as a regular exam). I also will have one more 2 pg paper over a presentation by one of our department's profs, and a demo to present to the class the last week before finals. For lab we have the 15 pg paper left, and that's it.

Now I get why you didn't like Chem lab biodude lol. And don't worry about not knowing how to use microscopes...it's easy, and usually the first lab will cover the proper use again anyway.

In Abnormal Psych we have one more test left during finals week over the last 4 chapters we've covered.

In Calculus I have one test Monday, and another during finals week which is comprehensive but with emphasis on Ch 5.

And in A&P we have one more lab test, and one more lecture test.

It's almost done, thank god!

I feel the same way you do about ECs Biodude. I want to volunteer this summer, but first I want to get together the $50 to pay for first aid/cpr certification so there will be more options available for volunteering. Research didn't work out for this summer, and I have no clue how anybody makes the time during the regular semester unless it's their work study lol, but we'll see. Plus I'd like to take a class from the prof I really want to work for before I actually work for him...helps me get to know him better. This year I concentrated on just making it through. Next year I want to get into some of the clubs...like ACS, and the premed club...eventually I want to be accepted to BBB (the biological honor society) but my gpa has to be up further first so I'm just kind of biding my time. I have the unusual ECs already from my previous life (figure skating and dance), but now I need more of the typical ones lol.

Figured out my budget for next year. I'll take out enough in loans for the summer to cover my 2 classes on campus, and 1 through UC-Berkeley Extension and then cover books (and if I decide to take another class through UC) on my own, which will leave me with $990/mo during the school year. It won't be easy (I'm living on about $100 more per month right now), but it should be doable...if my classes will allow I may try to fit in another easy part time job, but we'll see.

Anyway, off to my quiz and then studying for calc tonite. Have a good weekend everyone!

--Jessica, UCCS
 
Yeah I really did luck out manna.. i just need to see if my p's will front me the money.. thats going to be the hard part.
 
ORGANIC CHEMISTRY SUCKS MOOSE ASS! that is all.
 
CJ2DOC ~ Don't scare us like that! I've heard so many variations on what organic is really like I'm just going in with an open mind lol. I know there's a lot of memorization involved...tons of reactions and like 20 mechanisms but I'm hoping having taken A&P the memorization part will be at least a familiar concept for me lol.

Agent - somehow I doubt your teacher will notice in the least...especially if you guys write your numbers somewhat similar. Great plan for getting all those extra points 🙂

Manna - Throw a pillow to your hubby! Good luck on your final tho!

Chem quiz went well, but I completely spaced reading through the presentations we've had from professors all semester which there were 3 questions about. Think I only missed one of the 3 tho thankfully.

Took a look at the demos my partner and I will be performing for chem class. They look cool. One is a disappearing coffee cup t oshow how a solvent like acetone only breaks some of the bonds that give polystyrene cups their shape. Once the cup is taken out of the acetone it'll reharden again. The other demo is the dehydration of sugar by sulfuric acid and shows how the mixture will expand. Looks like fun!😀

--Jessica, UCCS
 
Hey everyone, just like to drop in and make another update on my status (2 in one day 😀 )

First, my responses:

manna - that schedule is for Fall 2003. I listed my summer schedule way up in the thread somewhere earlier. No way am I gonna take 14 units of hard science and math over the summer. I ain't that crazy! 😛

Oh yeah, and don't give up. You'll eventually find something you want if you look hard enough.

agent - dude, that's pretty darn slick of ya for havin' your bro do that. But that professor you got...hehehe, she sounds more and more like a (starts with B and rhymes with witch 😀 ) all the time that you post about your experiences in her class. So you had no choice in professors way back when you registered then? As for your parents, why wouldn't they front the $$$ for their son to have a higher education?

I hope that things go smoothly in your transition to Northwestern. By the way, I might end up in Chicago for medical school if none of my state schools accept me. Of course, that's too far away to think about, but you never know...we may be med student classmates in the future, you and I.

Skaterbabe74 - Hehe, cool, didn't know that Chem II people had to take ACS standardized exams too...and yours is a final to boot! My ACS only counts as a regular test...I have to take a separate exam for my final - 200 points! Do you have any idea how much 200 points is? That's all of my lab work combined! The final's gonna be worth that much! I sure hope I don't screw up.

CJ2Doc - yes it does suck 😉 But what can ya do about it? Thanks for informing everyone. Speaking of Organic, I have no idea of which professor I'm gonna be choosing for that class, which I can take after Gen Chem II...I might be taking O-Chem I with Genetics/Molecular Biology, or I might move it to another semester with a Physiology/Ecology combined class (both classes are required for bio majors at my school). I dunno yet, but I will be complete with at least O-Chem I by the time I take the MCAT. I have difficulty choosing a prof for this set of classes because I have so many conflicting viewpoints from different people!

I mean, one person (pre-pharmacy) says "Avoid prof A because he doesn't know how to teach. Take prof B instead. He's hard but he's really good at teaching. I mean, on one hard test, most of the class failed, so he allowed us to have a take-home test as a make-up."

Another person (pre-med) says, "Take prof A if all you wanna do is learn college-level Organic. Prof B is hardcore O-Chem, and his method of teaching and expectations are better for students planning to go to grad school to obtain Master's/PhD's in Organic Chemistry."

A third person (another pre-med) says, "I've taken prof C both semesters. He's a really cool teacher, and I think that he's good. As for prof B, he teaches my Organic Lab. What I don't like about him is that he is sarcastic and makes fun of students. He always calls us airheads when we do procedures incorrectly."

I'll have to figure this one out before I start my Spring 2004 semester.


I got my Chem exam back today. As for my score, well, let's just say that my prof's first words when handing my paper back were, "What happened?"

What happened? Well, I didn't understand Chapters 6 and 7, so it's no surprise that I bombed the test. I don't care though, because my professor drops a student's lowest test score. Guess what? I will make sure that this is my lowest test score. 😀

Well, I heard some discouraging words from a classmate today. Not to me, but about her. I wish that I could comfort her...I mean, she's got the aptitude to go into pharmacy school, but after one particularly nasty Chem Exam score, my Chem prof asked her if she was planning to be a pharmacist. When she said yes, he just shook his head. Then there was another incident where her boss (who is a pharmacist btw; she works in a pharmacy) said that she didn't have any direction in her life after she explained her need to study for Chemistry. Man, I'd be angry if I were in her place and a physician flat out said that to my face when I have to study my behind off for an important test.


I went to my hospice volunteer coordinator today. If you remember the dispute with my mom earlier, then I should inform you that things have worked out...for the most part. My mom is finally getting off my case after hours and hours of mindless office filing and other such mundane tasks. She thinks that I have "enough experience" to do whatever the heck hospice volunteering entails (which is simply sitting down and providing comfort and friendship to terminally ill patients and giving their caregivers and family a few hours of respite). My mom...I love her but I just don't see her logic.

I didn't realize that the hospice was overstacked with patients, so I was surprised when my volunteer coordinator assigned me one as soon as she heard that I could finally go see patients again (like a split-second after she heard that I'm ready). I guess that takes care of the clinical experience problem, or part of it...I'm going to be seeing patients at least. I'd really like to be able to help out doctors and hang out with 'em and stuff, though.

Well, that was my major update. As for "unusual" EC's, I'm workin' on it...I could join the Wu Shu club at my school (Wu Shu - means "martial arts" in Chinese; think of what you see in Jet Li movies but without the wires; he's a Wu Shu expert). I'm rusty at it, but what the heck, I love it and I think that it's "unusual" enough to get noticed. My legs are probably going to hate me for putting them through the pain and torture that I'll be doing (like the splits and gymnastic/acrobatic maneuvers), though 😀

I am also experienced in swimming as a sport, so I could be doing swimming as an intramural sport at my school. I don't think that people would be happy to see me in Speedo's though 😛

Hmm, I used a bunch of "though"s, didn't I? Oh well...
 
Originally posted by Biodude
As for your parents, why wouldn't they front the $$$ for their son to have a higher education?

Boy don't I wish nontraditionals lives were this easy. Hopefully Agent has cool parents, but I know my dad refuses to help me at all so I stopped asking even though I'm doing really well. My situation is probably a bit different then anybody elses tho. See a great aunt left me money for post-secondary education, however she didn't specify the terms of what it could be used for. It was implied it should be for college, but the terms of the trust included professional training. Therefore I used it for my figure skating, and my dancing while I was trying to figure out how to do the school thang. It bought me a computer and a car, and paid for all my living expenses which was awesome and allowed me to explore all my interests before settling down and doing well in school. As a result I'm a senior with a ton of credits in basically nothing towards my degree, but I wouldn't give up my life experiences for anything.

Unfortunately my father doesn't see it that way. His view is that I wasted my trust and now I have to pay for that waste by covering school completely on my own. So my dad got off dirt cheap in his divorce (imho) because they never set down any rules with regards to him covering school. Now, my biggest problem with all of this isn't so much that he thinks I wasted the last 10 years of my life (which is bad enough since he had always been the one pushing me with my figure skating), but my trust never would have covered ugrad and med school anyway, and at the time my folks got divorced I was already expressing an interest in medicine yet they never even considered it.

Thankfully by covering everything on my own my EFC is only $308 so I basically get all the aid available and hopefully it'll be enough, but boy do I wish I could ask for his help at least in getting a car...taking the bus everywhere is getting really old fast and with my budget for next year it doesn't look like I'll be getting one anytime soon.

Luckily most people do have pretty cool parents, but it's still awfully hard to ask for their help once you've been out on your own for awhile.


Ok on to more fun stuff...sorry for the tangent lol.

Yeah we didn't take the ACS for Chem I, but we do for Chem II and it is the entire year's worth of material. It's got the same weight as a regular exam tho, and last year they had to curve it so it didn't throw everyone's grades completely out of wack lol

If your chapter 6 and 7 cover the same material ours did (energy and atomic structure) you will probably need to review that stuff and get it down for thermodynamics in chem II, and for organic. Thermodynamics is an extension of the energy principles you learned, and atomic structure is needed for organic for sure (maybe biochem too). They definitely reassert themselves....

At least you'll have choices for organic professors tho. We have two professors that teach they subject but they alternate years. Both seem to be good tho, although the one I'm going to have is deemed the harder of the two. Hopefully it'll be ok since I'll have that, physics for life sciences, biological statistics, and cell bio in the fall and physics, genetics (molecular bio is a separate class at our school), and bacteriology (micro) in the spring.

I really should make an appt to see our premed advisor soon, but I'm dreading going in and telling him I'm going to take organic a year before the MCATs. He is soo set in his ways that organic HAS to be taken the year you take the mcats even with the revision to the test this year! He was already annoyed with me about not seeing him before the beginning of the year (course he wasn't there all summer) so he could have told me to take cell bio last fall instead of this fall. So I started with A&P instead...what's the big freakin deal? I'm taking it at the same time other people graduating with me would be! I'm worried about what he'll say about me taking all the kinesiology classes even tho I'm still taking the "normal" stuff premeds do: bacteriology, histology, immunology, molecular bio, biochem, and pathobio. Plus he'll probably tell me that I really should take the second semester of calculus because it's recommended for Colorado's med school, (Not required mind you, just recommended) but I really don't want to go to med school here and haven't decided yet if I'm going to go for md or do anyway. I just know it'll be an annoying meeting, and will probably not get me anymore on his good side then my C in A&P I and B in A&P II (he teaches those). Argh! lol🙄

Gee, can y'all tell I'm procrastinating working on calculus! 😛
--Jessica, UCCS
 
I just slogged through the entire thread and as I pulled up the pictures of Nate my 7 year old son went "awww, cute baby!" Congrats, Agent, he is adorable.

(I'm jealous, I have to wait a few years before I can have another one although my biological clock is ticking with a vengeance now!)😀

Anyway, I'm 27, married with two kids (7 and 9) and planning to start college all over again this fall at my local branch of University of Wisconsin (I live about 1/2 hr north of Milwaukee). I'd attended there for two years in the late 90's for accounting, worked in the field for a while, and quit my job April 15, 2002 after an 18-hour day finishing up tax season (this after 3 months of 70-80 hour weeks doing something I hated). I spent the last year soul-searching and ta-da! here I am, a fledgling premed. Will the class of 2011 qualify for inclusion in the club?

I've really enjoyed all of your perspectives and your stories-it's nice to hear a firsthand account of what I'm in for. This fall I'll be taking Gen Chem I, Pre-Calc, First Aid & Emerg Care, and Greek and Latin Origins of Medical and Scientific Terminology for a total load of 16 credits. And I'll be working part-time, I'm currently looking for either a waitressing or bartending job. My husband will also be taking 6 credits at night while working full-time days-he's going for a general business/MBA prep degree. So we're looking at me being in medical school and him getting his MBA together. Maybe we're crazy but.......

Skaterbabe-I take ballet too, although I didn't start until I was 23 and just went on pointe last year. I'm the only one over 16 in any of my classes at the local studio-it's cool that you still stick with it!

Biodude-you've redeemed the age of 18 in my eyes! If only I'd had your maturity and discrimination at that age, I'd have those magic letters M.D. after my name already! Oh well, better late than never, hey? Keep it up and show the rest of the world that traditional students aren't all bad! (No offense meant except to the trolls)

To all the rest of you who are slogging through finals, good luck!

Sorry I don't have any experience to share just yet, but I hope to have some soon. I got my CNA license last fall and the premed advisor at UW-Milwaukee is trying to hook me up with an internship already this summer, as an alternative I'll try to get into the major teaching hospital in Milwaukee as a volunteer. (I knew that the six weeks I spent learning how to make beds and position bedpans would open some doors for me! :laugh:
 
Hey jenni! Welcome 😀 Of course the class of 2011 is more than welcome!

Congrats on your starting this long and wonderful journey. It will be more than worth it in the end (or so I keep telling myself in my worst moments lol).

I didn't really start dancing until I was 20 other than the classes they arranged for all the skaters, but I signed up for a class at the local CC (College of DuPage in Glen Ellyn, IL) and took from an ex-Bob Fosse dancer. I was a natural. One of his friends was an ex-prima ballerina for PBT and she'd come to class to work out and saw me. I was a natural technician. She got me into jazz classes down at Lou Conte's, and ballet and jazz at Art Moves (Dancewest Ballet) and I was on pointe within 3 mo of starting at Art Moves. I so know how you feel about being the only one over 16 in class lol...Lou Conte's had adults (and so did my CC), but at Art Moves I was definitely the odd duck! I had a very young face at the time (still get carded all the time) so I "fit" in pretty well. I seriously danced for about 3.5 years before deciding that a career would just be too short-lived and moved to Colorado to retake up figure skating. I still had a great shot at that for a career if I could get going on it. I had passed my first new test within 4 months of being back on the ice, but my money ran out so I worked for awhile and have been back in school for about 2 years now (1 year full time). The classes out here aren't really up to par to what I was used to (even the ones they had for the skaters at the rink), but I'm definitely taking the ballet at school in the fall. I sooooo miss the stress relief lol, and if I could survive the technique of a Fosse dancer I can survive any class lol. (Don't get me wrong - he was a genius at doing Fosse's choreography, but his underlying technique was horrid).

Sounds like you've got a great start going, and a great first semester planned....what are you planning on getting your degree in? And don't worry bout you and your hubby doing both at once...it'll be hard, but definitely not crazy😀

Good luck!
--Jessica, UCCS
 
Hi all!
Just dropping in to say hello and to wish Sarah a very HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!! :clap: :hardy: :clap:
 
Oh wow, I didn't know that Sarah's birthday was today! Hey Sarah, Happy Birthday! Where have you been? We haven't seen ya in the thread lately...well, now that the war is (almost) over, is your husband okay? Is he going to come back home?

Skaterbabe74 - Well, your pre-med advisor is just an advisor, after all. He can't really force you to do anything. He can get really really mad if you don't do what he says, but he can't do anything about it. I'd ignore his ranting about how I'd have to take O-Chem in the year that I take my MCATs if I were in your place.

jenni4476 - Welcome! You'll feel right at home here seeing as how everybody is still far off from taking their MCATs, and I must thank you very much for the compliment. Honestly, though, I feel like I sound neurotic whenever I post, because I post a lot from my emotions. I still can't believe that I sound more mature than some traditional people out there, because I feel like I'm just like them (worry over getting low grades, not enough EC's, etc.). Well, I am a bit of a gunner, but not to the point of sabatoging someone else's labs or cheating in order to ensure that I have the highest grade in the class...now that is just wrong.


I like hanging around non-traditionals though..you guys and gals really know your motivations! I am really glad and feel very fortunate to be able to converse with so many of you. Sometimes I wonder about my own motivations...then I go and volunteer and the feeling that I get from helping people out brings me back.

List of things that I did today:

1. Went and helped out a Soup Kitchen serve food to the homeless
2. Called up my hospice patient's family to let them know that I will visit my patient next week
3. Just remembered that the MCAT was today and wished my luck to the pre-meds who are taking it right now (Pacific Time zone; in the others, they're probably done or close to done already)

List of things that I have yet to do (for next week anyways):

1. Finish up my next rough draft essay for English
2. Start on my lab report for my Chemistry lab from Thursday
3. Finish up on my study questions for Psych class (my Psych professor gives around 39 to 49 questions from each Chapter that he quizzes us on, but he only uses 20 from each Chapter on the quizzes); my next Psych quiz is on Friday
4. Read Chapters 8 to 9 in my Chemistry textbook for the lectures
5. Finish up on extra credit assignment for Psych class (I wanna get a higher grade than I already have)

Well, I'm too lazy to do anything on the computer, so that leaves me with finishing up on Psych study questions and studying my Chemistry textbook today. I won't be coming by tomorrow (for obvious reasons).

I wish that my semester could end right now...
 
Happy Bday Sarah! Hope things are going ok with you!

Biodude- I know I don't have to listen to him...it's just going to be an annoying meeting cuz it'll be all complete bull considering how the mcat has changed this year. Sigh...oh well....guess I should at least show him my "plan" lol.

I'm slowly working my way through my calculus in prep for the test on Monday...I soo needed a break tho so I came here 🙂

For this week I've got a ton of stuff to do, but at least most of it isn't stuff that needs to be turned in so if I have to I can put it off lol. I will have a test in Chemistry on Fri so I need to read the last chapter this weekend sometime, and turn in the homework for that chapter this week. I'm about halfway done with my notes over my A&P chapter, need to read 2 chapters for abnormal psych by Wed, and finish my lab notebook for Tues (which I'll do Monday nite after my calc test lol).

I'm going to get a couple extra credit points for abnormal psych by participating in a brain wave research project in our psych department. Sounds like it'll be hard to stay awake during tho lol. I don't go in for that til May 8, and it takes about 2 hours with 2 1/2 readings of my brain waves. Should be interesting to say the least😀 Now I only need a 94 on the last test vs a 96 🙂

K - enough procrastinatin...back to calc 😛
--Jessica , UCCS
 
So I decided to join in.......
I am a nontraditional-traditional student. I became a paramedic a year ago but signed a contract with a local company (they paid for my paramedic schooling) and now I am an online student. I attended one year of "normal" school and got most of my undergrad classes out of the way. I need 2 organic chem and at least 2 physics to have them minium. I am currently in a management track, to complete my Bach. of Applied Science in Management. I havent a "pre-med" advisor, so I just kinda go at things the best way I think I should. I really wanna go to medical school, and hope that I will be there in 3-4 years. I currently have a low science gpa though, a 2.5 ( couple of c's my freshman year) that I will retake, but I got a good overall gpa of 3.45. I just take it one day at a time, and see what happens. I got alot of support from two MD's at my local hosp/clinic. The clinic and hospital are major contributors to the states medical school, and so are both doctors. One of them is a graduate from the school. Anyone think I have a chance??
 
OOPS, almost forgot....Happy Birthday Sarah, even though I am not sure who you are!
 
dhager - Welcome to the club! 😀

You've got plenty of time to improve that science gpa. Depending on what you got those C's (and how many of them there really are) I'd consider just taking upper division classes and getting good grades in them that cover the same sort of topics. Ie. if it's a Gen Chem class take an upper division inorganic chem class; if it's a Gen Bio (depending on which semester) take a cell bio/micro/genetics/histology class or a mammalogy/plant science class... The only bad thing about retaking a class is both grades will be counted in your gpa when you apply, and C's aren't really all that awful (not good, but not awful either) so showing that you can do harder work in the same topics sometimes shows that you do get the material but for whatever reason you didn't do well in that class (be it personal or the teacher or whatever). Having another 3-4 years before you plan on going to med school will give you plenty of time to improve so you have more than "just a chance". Keep at it!

Found out today that I got a B on my Chem quiz (25/30)...first B on a quiz yet sigh. Maybe that means I'll get the A on the exam this time around tho lol.

Can I just say I HATE word problems!! Most of this calculus chapter for the test tomorrow is drawing graphs from finding the absolute minimums/maximums, etc and word problems! I can usually get the pic drawn to help you with the word problem but then I can't figure out what the heck I'm supposed to be finding...argh! And the derivatives for word problems are almost never pretty! lol. Anyway back to the grind (I will figure it out, but dang is it annoying..lol😛 ).

Hope everyone is having a productive Sunday!
--Jessica, UCCS
 
Originally posted by Skaterbabe74
dhager - Welcome to the club! 😀

Can I just say I HATE word problems!! Most of this calculus chapter for the test tomorrow is drawing graphs from finding the absolute minimums/maximums, etc and word problems! I can usually get the pic drawn to help you with the word problem but then I can't figure out what the heck I'm supposed to be finding...argh! And the derivatives for word problems are almost never pretty! lol. Anyway back to the grind (I will figure it out, but dang is it annoying..lol😛 ).

Hope everyone is having a productive Sunday!
--Jessica, UCCS

Wait till you get to Integrals.........+pissed+ the test is tomorow! and I dont know what the h**l im doing 😡 thank god my teacher will drop the lowest test, I get the feeling this is the one 🙁
 
Thank you all for the warm welcome!!

Skaterbabe-Yup, I get carded all the time too. Most of the "kids" in my classes didn't even know I was THAT old (as they put it) until my daughter started coming with me to watch class. You're lucky to have natural technique-I did poms and gymnastics in high school so I'm used to a real stiff type of movement. Ballet was very difficult for me to get the hang of but jazz was easy. Maybe that's why I didn't like it that much-it wasn't nearly as challenging. Keep up with it-I plan to as long as I can!


For all of you suffering with calc, just reading what you're going through makes me shudder. My premed advisor told me to take a year of calc, although I'm still deciding whether to listen to her or not.

Choice A-take the Survey calculus with my husband during spring semester and have him to help me (he's a math whiz)

Choice B-take a year of Calc and Analytical Geometry by myself.

Hmmm....what would you do?

Anyway, I'm not even sure what I'm going to major in yet. Biology seems to be the easiest thing (at my school the major requires all the premed classes anyway), although I've always been interested in philosophy and history. I will wind up with a minor in Business since I've already taken all but one class for it-that ought to work well since then I'll be able to argue knowledgeably with the insurance companies to pay my bills. Know thine enemy............ +pissed+

Biodude-Emotion is good. You have to listen to your heart sometimes. I refused to when I was younger and it wound up making me miserable until I gave it the control it needed. Sure I can overrule it with my head if I need to, but it's good that you're so aware of your emotions. (Please forgive me if I'm starting to sound like a mom here, I'm really trying not to! It's just so good to see someone who has their head together right off the bat. I'm jealous! LOL:laugh: ) And if you're a "gunner", then I guess I am too. Like you, I'd never sabotage anyone else, I prefer to encourage and help, but I always seem to measure myself by the highest standards. That's not a bad thing, I don't think. It just speaks to the fact that your motivations are for the right reasons.

dhager-welcome-I just joined a few posts ago so I'm a newbie too. You definitely have a chance-don't get discouraged!

Okay, this is long enough....I'll step down now. Maybe I'll hear from my advisor this week. I know she's been busy what with registration and all but I'm still hoping! You all probably will laugh, but I can't wait to get started. (Remind me of this comment when I'm pulling my hair out in December for finals😉 )
 
Originally posted by jenni4476
Thank you all for the warm welcome!!

I'm jealous! LOL:laugh: ) And if you're a "gunner", then I guess I am too. Like you, I'd never sabotage anyone else, I prefer to encourage and help, but I always seem to measure myself by the highest standards. That's not a bad thing, I don't think. It just speaks to the fact that your motivations are for the right reasons.


I keep hearing about these "gunners" who sabotage and do other nasty things..........never seen anyone like that, maybe i've been shielded fromt that sort of thing in my small college.
 
Jenny - Don't worry too much about calculus. It's not THAT bad if you can get the concepts down and have a solid algebra/trig base underneath you. The hardest parts for me is simplying down once I've taken a derivative. You end up with some pretty nasty looking compound fraction answers that need to be simplified down as much as possible. And that's usually where I end up making a mistake. Also, some teachers don't require you to simplify absolutely everything making things way easier lol. My prof last semester was that way....this semester we have to simplify everything and I'm losing points right and left.

As far as which sequence to take? Gee...the first option of course lol...despite what your advisor says. Mine says the same thing, because CU recommends a year, but so far the only school I've seen that requires a full year of Calculus is Duke and even they are lenient on that one. One caveat tho...if you were to decide to major in chemistry you will probably need the full year.

Valinor - Integrals aren't that bad for me....I already took Calc 1 last semester but I failed the final (30% of the grade) and ended up with a D in the class (had a B going into the final) so I had to retake it this semester. Unfortunately, because my 2 profs have such different styles and deem such different things as being important I'm doing worse in the class as we head into the last couple tests and the final. Please, please, please let me get a C lol (fingers and toes crossed 😛 ).

--Jessica, UCCS
 
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