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Hey everyone,

To start things off, please don't say that I need to know biology and chemistry before taking biochemistry.... that's kind of obvious -.-

I was wondering if there's any specific things you guys would recommend reviewing within bio and chemistry before the course actually starts.

Suggestions? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks as always,
TexasSurgeon

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Depends on your professor but not many ochem topics

Only things I can think of right now are:
Shuffling electrons
Understand pH/pKa and what happens to acids and bases in different conditions
You should know the organic chemistry groups like carboxylic acids, amino groups, ketones, aldehydes, etc

Anything else they will teach you
Biochem is mostly memorizing tbh
 
Lol I have graduated and will be taking Biochem I this fall.

And YAY for not many Ochem topics! 🙂
 
Depends on your professor but not many ochem topics

Only things I can think of right now are:
Shuffling electrons
Understand pH/pKa and what happens to acids and bases in different conditions
You should know the organic chemistry groups like carboxylic acids, amino groups, ketones, aldehydes, etc

Anything else they will teach you
Biochem is mostly memorizing tbh

But what about all that stuff on Vmax, Km, and Kcat? Isn't that part of the "non-memorizing" stuff? I was browsing through a biochem book and saw it.

Lol I have graduated and will be taking Biochem I this fall.

And YAY for not many Ochem topics! 🙂

Yay!
 
But what about all that stuff on Vmax, Km, and Kcat? Isn't that part of the "non-memorizing" stuff? I was browsing through a biochem book and saw it.



Yay!

You don't really need anything. Focus on lectures, don't be lazy, do any practice questions they give you (and really understand the answers), and you'll be fine.

The MM kinetics stuff is easy. Give it time to sink it. Cramming it before an exam when you've never seen it before would be challenging.

They'll have you probably memorize some enzyme reaction mechanism. Treat it like Ochem reaction mechs, don't memorize, understand the principles at play, and everything just falls in place. You should be able to draw out the correct mech just by memorizing the starting materials and the products. It will save you an hour of studying per mechanism.
 
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Depends on your professor but not many ochem topics

Only things I can think of right now are:
Shuffling electrons
Understand pH/pKa and what happens to acids and bases in different conditions
You should know the organic chemistry groups like carboxylic acids, amino groups, ketones, aldehydes, etc

Anything else they will teach you
Biochem is mostly memorizing tbh

In addtion to the aforementioned:

Arrow pushing
Reaction mechanisms
Thermodynamics
Macromolecules
 
Enzymes reactions/how they work. Pretty much everything about Enz's
 
In biochem 2 we had to memorize the mechanisms, yes mechanisms for the entirety of glycolysis, krebs, fatty acid acid synthesis, fa breakdown, all 20 amino acids, etc. It was organic chem, except worse.
 
In biochem 2 we had to memorize the mechanisms, yes mechanisms for the entirety of glycolysis, krebs, fatty acid acid synthesis, fa breakdown, all 20 amino acids, etc. It was organic chem, except worse.

I had to do this in one semester of "Comprehensive Biochemistry". By mechanisms, it went down to the detail of how many degrees the delta subunit of some stupid enzyme rotates to accommodate the alphagammaepsilon helix of some stupid substrate to release 1.38504 molecules of some other piece of crap.

I hated it.
 
In biochem 2 we had to memorize the mechanisms, yes mechanisms for the entirety of glycolysis, krebs, fatty acid acid synthesis, fa breakdown, all 20 amino acids, etc. It was organic chem, except worse.


This is stupid, how was your professor expecting you to memorize all those things. Thats pretty overboard...
 
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This is stupid, how was your professor expecting you to memorize all those things. Thats pretty overboard...

Biochem majors usually cover this (I've heard a lot of similar grumbles from my friends who majored in it). I had an upper level genetics class that would go into detail about each individual subunit of the beta-clamp loader in DNA transactions (with discussion on the research papers that led to our knowledge of this stuff). The amount of detail appears to be crazy but you manage somehow.
 
You don't really need anything. In undergrad biochem, for some reason, I thought it'd be a good idea to read from the book for exams. It was a terrible idea and I was getting C's. Then I just focused on her lectures and magically got all As. For SMP med school biochem, I forgot 99% of undergrad biochem. Still got an A. Focus on lectures, don't be lazy, do any practice questions they give you (and really understand the answers), and you'll be fine.

The MM kinetics stuff is easy. Give it time to sink it. Cramming it before an exam when you've never seen it before would be challenging.

They'll have you probably memorize some enzyme reaction mechanism. Treat it like Ochem reaction mechs, don't memorize, understand the principles at play, and everything just falls in place. You should be able to draw out the correct mech just by memorizing the starting materials and the products. It will save you an hour of studying per mechanism.

In addtion to the aforementioned:

Arrow pushing
Reaction mechanisms
Thermodynamics
Macromolecules

Enzymes reactions/how they work. Pretty much everything about Enz's

Get a dry-erase board or blank notebooks you can scribble in - I found rewriting everything (pathways, etc.) over and over to be the best way to find any gaps in knowledge.

Alright I'll do as you guys suggest. I found the MM stuff really hard to understand. But that's probably because I haven't even started biochem yet, I just started reading that stuff when I saw it in my textbook.
 
I had to do this in one semester of "Comprehensive Biochemistry". By mechanisms, it went down to the detail of how many degrees the delta subunit of some stupid enzyme rotates to accommodate the alphagammaepsilon helix of some stupid substrate to release 1.38504 molecules of some other piece of crap.

I hated it.

Exactly. 60 pages per chapter or more, 4 chapters on a test, one f-ing sentence would mention some minute fact and its worth 4 points on a 100 point test. Good god, can't wait until medicial school to do that again.
 
In biochem 2 we had to memorize the mechanisms, yes mechanisms for the entirety of glycolysis, krebs, fatty acid acid synthesis, fa breakdown, all 20 amino acids, etc. It was organic chem, except worse.

This. I didn't think it was possible, but I was proved wrong. Still got a higher grade though compared to orgo.
 
Are there any supplementary materials anyone would suggest for biochem?
 
Exactly. 60 pages per chapter or more, 4 chapters on a test, one f-ing sentence would mention some minute fact and its worth 4 points on a 100 point test. Good god, can't wait until medicial school to do that again.

To make things even more fun, these were our tests:

A
B
C
D
E
Only A and B
Only A and C
All of the Above
None of the Above


And for the "wrong" answers, they would be factually correct statements with a minor detail changes (like Leucine to Lysine or Isoleucine, or 15% instead of 20%).
 
To make things even more fun, these were our tests:

A
B
C
D
E
Only A and B
Only A and C
All of the Above
None of the Above


And for the "wrong" answers, they would be factually correct statements with a minor detail changes (like Leucine to Lysine or Isoleucine, or 15% instead of 20%).

I had a professor in a different class who gave tests like that. turned out half the time the correct answer was E. :laugh:

My Biochem tests were free response. some like those, some dont
 
I had a professor in a different class who gave tests like that. turned out half the time the correct answer was E. :laugh:

My Biochem tests were free response. some like those, some dont

My BC class was Free response
 
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Hey everyone,

To start things off, please don't say that I need to know biology and chemistry before taking biochemistry.... that's kind of obvious -.-

I was wondering if there's any specific things you guys would recommend reviewing within bio and chemistry before the course actually starts.

Suggestions? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks as always,
TexasSurgeon

Amino acids, inhibitors, enzymes.
 
If anything, just take some time to learn the amino acids (structure, name, pKas, 3-letter and 1-letter codes). If it's like my undergrad you'll be expected to know all of them within a few weeks of the course starting.
 
Hello! I would like to share some of my experiences with taking biochemistry. This has been one of my favorite and most rewarding courses and was an integral part of my undergraduate experience. For some context, I have taken undergraduate biochemistry and first year graduate biochemistry and performed in the top 10% of the class, 132 on bb and cp section on the MCAT. I'm not by any means an expert however, so feel free to disagree with what I say.

First, there are some general chemistry topics that are extremely important for both organic chemistry and biochemistry. Those include the theories of bonding (Valence bond theory, Molecular orbital theory, hybridization), intermolecular forces, acid-base equilibria, and thermodynamics/kinetics. I would say ~80% of biochemistry/orgo can be reasoned to these basics.

Certain organic chemistry reactions will appear many times in biochemistry. In order of importance, you need to know 1) Mechanisms and reactions associated with nucleophilic acyl substitution, associated carbonyl chemistry, enolate chemistry. The bond forming reactions in biochemistry all involve the alpha carbon so it is extremely high yield to understand the complete mechanism of the reaction and the various perturbations such as changing pH, polarizability, etc. You will see a lot of oxygen, carbon, and nitrogen nucleophiles, so it is valuable to review C-C bond formation reactions (Claisen, Aldol, Michael addition), C-N bond formation reactions (imine, enamine), and the C-O (acetals, hemiacetals). These appear in the biomolecules you will see; C-N bond formation in peptide bond formation, acetal and hemiacetal formation in sugar reactions, C-C in fatty acid and polyketide synthesis and prenylation (not needed for premed or undergrad biochem but this is really cool stuff! It’s how stuff like erythromycin are produced). Protecting groups such as silanes, carbamates, etc for macromolecule synthesis in biochem II.

There is a heavy emphasis on understanding biomolecules from Biology 1. You should know structures of DNA/RNA/amino acids/carbohydrates/fatty acids. But don’t memorize all of the structures and names before you take the class! It will be much easier knowing what is relevant and besides, only the functional groups involved in reactions are the important parts. It’s more valuable to know the kinds of reactions and mechanisms they undergo than the structures themselves, which you can generally look up online or in a reference text. EXCEPTION: Amino acids. Know them all like you know the common elements of the periodic table. PKA’s nice but don’t bother memorizing to the last decimal point. Also memorize the range bc I guarantee you in real situations, the environment highly highly affects the acidity (covered in biochem II, really cool stuff!). This way you aren’t set on a single value and can consider factors like hydrophobicity and proximity to other groups to identify residues.

Michaelis-Menten Kinetics and other models: This is kinetics from chem 1 + some algebra. Don’t be afraid of these. Review the derivation of reaction rates using the steady state approximation and that’s how the values are derived. In biochem II, kinetic isotope effect (including solvent KIE, deuterium, tritium, etc), Arrhenius type models for transition states, experimental elucidation of enzyme reaction mechanisms, etc really explain how models taught in biochem I are developed. (briefly) brushed a bit over Xtal but very very briefly. Cryo-em and discussion of how those cool images in books like Voet are made. Assembly macromolecular synthesis like PKS and NRPS. Discussion into protein folding/protein degradation, mechanisms of translation. All of these rely on concepts from physical organic chem or thermos/pchem so be aware of those before taking biochem II. (Biochem II classes vary from university to university so your mileage may vary.

How do you succeed in class? Attend lectures. Do your problem sets. Always ask questions. Many many times I had to swallow my pride and ask about clarification on things that everyone seemed to nod their head to, but not once did I regret it. Chances are if you did your work and are prepared but still don’t understand something, that thing is difficult for others too. The material I used to prepare were the textbook and the lecture notes from class. It’s not worth to go memorize the textbook because there is a lot of trivia that isn’t that relevant to the big picture and actually obscures what’s important. Examples: when learning the glycolysis pathway, don’t bother with enzyme names/molecular names (those come later), but focus on the steps each enzyme does to the substrate. It’s okay to know what the molecules are but not know what they’re called, but it’s NOT okay to memorize the pathway names and enzymes and know nothing about what the reactions do to the previous metabolite. Understand why things are regulated; I think voet has a section about thermodynamic gate vs quick equilibrium which I found more relevant than the minutiae of the pathways themselves.

I hope you enjoy biochemistry!!! Sorry about the long post
EDIT: Typos and minor fixes
 
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Hello! I would like to share some of my experiences with taking biochemistry. This has been one of my favorite and most rewarding courses and was an integral part of my undergraduate experience. For some context, I have taken undergraduate biochemistry and first year graduate biochemistry and performed in the top 10% of the class, 132 on bb and cp section on the MCAT. I'm not by any means an expert however, so feel free to disagree with what I say.

First, there are some general chemistry topics that are extremely important for both organic chemistry and biochemistry. Those include the theories of bonding (Valence bond theory, Molecular orbital theory, hybridization), intermolecular forces, acid-base equilibria, and thermodynamics/kinetics. I would say ~80% of biochemistry/orgo can be reasoned to these basics.

Certain organic chemistry reactions will appear many times in biochemistry. In order of importance, you need to know 1) Mechanisms and reactions associated with nucleophilic acyl substitution, associated carbonyl chemistry, enolate chemistry. The bond forming reactions in biochemistry all involve the alpha carbon so it is extremely high yield to understand the complete mechanism of the reaction and the various perturbations such as changing pH, polarizability, etc. You will see a lot of oxygen, carbon, and nitrogen nucleophiles, so it is valuable to review C-C bond formation reactions (Claisen, Aldol, Michael addition), C-N bond formation reactions (imine, enamine), and the C-O (acetals, hemiacetals). These appear in the biomolecules you will see; C-N bond formation in peptide bond formation, acetal and hemiacetal formation in sugar reactions, C-C in fatty acid and polyketide synthesis and prenylation (not needed for premed or undergrad biochem but this is really cool stuff! It’s how stuff like erythromycin are produced). Protecting groups such as silanes, carbamates, etc for macromolecule synthesis in biochem II.

There is a heavy emphasis on understanding biomolecules from Biology 1. You should know structures of DNA/RNA/amino acids/carbohydrates/fatty acids. But don’t memorize all of the structures and names before you take the class! It will be much easier knowing what is relevant and besides, only the functional groups involved in reactions are the important parts. It’s more valuable to know the kinds of reactions and mechanisms they undergo than the structures themselves, which you can generally look up online or in a reference text. EXCEPTION: Amino acids. Know them all like you know the common elements of the periodic table. PKA’s nice but don’t bother memorizing to the last decimal point. Also memorize the range bc I guarantee you in real situations, the environment highly highly affects the acidity (covered in biochem II, really cool stuff!). This way you aren’t set on a single value and can consider factors like hydrophobicity and proximity to other groups to identify residues.

Michaelis-Menten Kinetics and other models: This is kinetics from chem 1 + some algebra. Don’t be afraid of these. Review the derivation of reaction rates using the steady state approximation and that’s how the values are derived. In biochem II, kinetic isotope effect (including solvent KIE, deuterium, tritium, etc), Arrhenius type models for transition states, experimental elucidation of enzyme reaction mechanisms, etc really explain how models taught in biochem I are developed. (briefly) brushed a bit over Xtal but very very briefly. Cryo-em and discussion of how those cool images in books like Voet are made. Assembly macromolecular synthesis like PKS and NRPS. Discussion into protein folding/protein degradation, mechanisms of translation. All of these rely on concepts from physical organic chem or thermos/pchem so be aware of those before taking biochem II. (Biochem II classes vary from university to university so your mileage may vary.

How do you succeed in class? Attend lectures. Do your problem sets. Always ask questions. Many many times I had to swallow my pride and ask about clarification on things that everyone seemed to nod their head to, but not once did I regret it. Chances are if you did your work and are prepared but still don’t understand something, that thing is difficult for others too. The material I used to prepare were the textbook and the lecture notes from class. It’s not worth to go memorize the textbook because there is a lot of trivia that isn’t that relevant to the big picture and actually obscures what’s important. Examples: when learning the glycolysis pathway, don’t bother with enzyme names/molecular names (those come later), but focus on the steps each enzyme does to the substrate. It’s okay to know what the molecules are but not know what they’re called, but it’s NOT okay to memorize the pathway names and enzymes and know nothing about what the reactions do to the previous metabolite. Understand why things are regulated; I think voet has a section about thermodynamic gate vs quick equilibrium which I found more relevant than the minutiae of the pathways themselves.

I hope you enjoy biochemistry!!! Sorry about the long post
EDIT: Typos and minor fixes

Try topping that
 
Hello! I would like to share some of my experiences with taking biochemistry. This has been one of my favorite and most rewarding courses and was an integral part of my undergraduate experience. For some context, I have taken undergraduate biochemistry and first year graduate biochemistry and performed in the top 10% of the class, 132 on bb and cp section on the MCAT. I'm not by any means an expert however, so feel free to disagree with what I say.

First, there are some general chemistry topics that are extremely important for both organic chemistry and biochemistry. Those include the theories of bonding (Valence bond theory, Molecular orbital theory, hybridization), intermolecular forces, acid-base equilibria, and thermodynamics/kinetics. I would say ~80% of biochemistry/orgo can be reasoned to these basics.

Certain organic chemistry reactions will appear many times in biochemistry. In order of importance, you need to know 1) Mechanisms and reactions associated with nucleophilic acyl substitution, associated carbonyl chemistry, enolate chemistry. The bond forming reactions in biochemistry all involve the alpha carbon so it is extremely high yield to understand the complete mechanism of the reaction and the various perturbations such as changing pH, polarizability, etc. You will see a lot of oxygen, carbon, and nitrogen nucleophiles, so it is valuable to review C-C bond formation reactions (Claisen, Aldol, Michael addition), C-N bond formation reactions (imine, enamine), and the C-O (acetals, hemiacetals). These appear in the biomolecules you will see; C-N bond formation in peptide bond formation, acetal and hemiacetal formation in sugar reactions, C-C in fatty acid and polyketide synthesis and prenylation (not needed for premed or undergrad biochem but this is really cool stuff! It’s how stuff like erythromycin are produced). Protecting groups such as silanes, carbamates, etc for macromolecule synthesis in biochem II.

There is a heavy emphasis on understanding biomolecules from Biology 1. You should know structures of DNA/RNA/amino acids/carbohydrates/fatty acids. But don’t memorize all of the structures and names before you take the class! It will be much easier knowing what is relevant and besides, only the functional groups involved in reactions are the important parts. It’s more valuable to know the kinds of reactions and mechanisms they undergo than the structures themselves, which you can generally look up online or in a reference text. EXCEPTION: Amino acids. Know them all like you know the common elements of the periodic table. PKA’s nice but don’t bother memorizing to the last decimal point. Also memorize the range bc I guarantee you in real situations, the environment highly highly affects the acidity (covered in biochem II, really cool stuff!). This way you aren’t set on a single value and can consider factors like hydrophobicity and proximity to other groups to identify residues.

Michaelis-Menten Kinetics and other models: This is kinetics from chem 1 + some algebra. Don’t be afraid of these. Review the derivation of reaction rates using the steady state approximation and that’s how the values are derived. In biochem II, kinetic isotope effect (including solvent KIE, deuterium, tritium, etc), Arrhenius type models for transition states, experimental elucidation of enzyme reaction mechanisms, etc really explain how models taught in biochem I are developed. (briefly) brushed a bit over Xtal but very very briefly. Cryo-em and discussion of how those cool images in books like Voet are made. Assembly macromolecular synthesis like PKS and NRPS. Discussion into protein folding/protein degradation, mechanisms of translation. All of these rely on concepts from physical organic chem or thermos/pchem so be aware of those before taking biochem II. (Biochem II classes vary from university to university so your mileage may vary.

How do you succeed in class? Attend lectures. Do your problem sets. Always ask questions. Many many times I had to swallow my pride and ask about clarification on things that everyone seemed to nod their head to, but not once did I regret it. Chances are if you did your work and are prepared but still don’t understand something, that thing is difficult for others too. The material I used to prepare were the textbook and the lecture notes from class. It’s not worth to go memorize the textbook because there is a lot of trivia that isn’t that relevant to the big picture and actually obscures what’s important. Examples: when learning the glycolysis pathway, don’t bother with enzyme names/molecular names (those come later), but focus on the steps each enzyme does to the substrate. It’s okay to know what the molecules are but not know what they’re called, but it’s NOT okay to memorize the pathway names and enzymes and know nothing about what the reactions do to the previous metabolite. Understand why things are regulated; I think voet has a section about thermodynamic gate vs quick equilibrium which I found more relevant than the minutiae of the pathways themselves.

I hope you enjoy biochemistry!!! Sorry about the long post
EDIT: Typos and minor fixes

In terms of the MCAT, was it necessary/helpful to have taken 2 semesters of biochem?
 

Did taking a second semester of biochemistry help in the sense of making you more fluent in biochemistry/organic chemistry in a way that's relevant to the MCAT?

Your earlier post in this thread seems to suggest that the MCAT biochemistry section is very mechanism based. Is that the case? I ask because other posters on SDN have said that MCAT biochemistry is primarily about memorization of metabolic pathways and details about biomolecules (e.g. amino acids).
 
I liked taking both semesters because I had just spent more of my life thinking in that area so I was faster at it, and knew it from concepts instead of gimmicks like mneumonics. Many classmates who took the two semester class did better in it on the mcat and MD admissions, but that can be attributed to many other factors too.
 
I liked taking both semesters because I had just spent more of my life thinking in that area so I was faster at it, and knew it from concepts instead of gimmicks like mneumonics. Many classmates who took the two semester class did better in it on the mcat and MD admissions, but that can be attributed to many other factors too.

Did your biochem 2 cover topics tested on the MCAT?
 
Did your biochem 2 cover topics tested on the MCAT?
Yes. The first semester was only a few MCAT topics, the second semester of the course was 90% of the pathways that others learn in a one semester biochem class and need for the mcat.
 
In terms of the MCAT, was it necessary/helpful to have taken 2 semesters of biochem?

Just FYI, I got a 131 on c/p and b/b without taking biochem. I just taught myself the high yield stuff everyone says to know. So it’s not strictly necessary to take it, but I’m sure it helps a lot. If you don’t have time to take it before taking the MCAT, you can totally self study if you put in the effort.
 
MCAT isn't mechanism based, and biochem1 is sufficient for almost all questions. Biochem II exposed me to the kind of studies described in the passages, which made them easier to digest. Knowing the mechanisms allows you to kind of develop an intuition for what they are asking for, even if the passage is unfamiliar.
 
I'm worried about kinetics stuff, Vmax and all that. We had to learn it in biology last year and I didn't understand it at all. After hours I just gave up and made up for the grade with the other topics, but people in my school who have already taken it say it's important in biochem. Any advice for learning it when I couldn't get it the first time?
 
I'm worried about kinetics stuff, Vmax and all that. We had to learn it in biology last year and I didn't understand it at all. After hours I just gave up and made up for the grade with the other topics, but people in my school who have already taken it say it's important in biochem. Any advice for learning it when I couldn't get it the first time?

Have you tried YouTube videos?


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Just FYI, I got a 131 on c/p and b/b without taking biochem. I just taught myself the high yield stuff everyone says to know. So it’s not strictly necessary to take it, but I’m sure it helps a lot. If you don’t have time to take it before taking the MCAT, you can totally self study if you put in the effort.
Wow, way to go! Yeah I only spent 4 hours of my 250-300 hours of mcat prep on biochem since I’d just finished a year long course with an American chemical society final exam.
 
Wow, way to go! Yeah I only spent 4 hours of my 250-300 hours of mcat prep on biochem since I’d just finished a year long course with an American chemical society final exam.

I found a Reddit post somewhere that had the most high yield topics for biochem, and I learned them on my own. My strategy for the whole MCAT was to focus on reasoning through passages rather than trying to learn as much stuff in depth as possible. Seemed to work.
 
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