Thinking about attending a DO school. What are the downsides?

[scotchtapetest]

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why did you go DO then?

Because I got into a US MD school in an undesirable location and liked my DO school better (location/education/overall).... I hope that's OK with everyone on this thread!

And this is not about me or any other individual....

 

[JESSFALLING]

That is what I was getting at. That guys statement technically implies that DO students are all socioeconomically challenged. The irony is he thinks he was defending osteo but in reality I was

I recognize that everyone in medical school, MD or DO, deserves to be there. I also appreciate the fact the DO schools weight the importance of GPA vs. other aspects differently than MD schools do. This variation obviously allows a wider range of deserving students to become doctors. Hopefully this diversity of background also helps improve patient care in the long run.

 

[235788]

I recognize that everyone in medical school, MD or DO, deserves to be there. I also appreciate the fact the DO schools weight the importance of GPA vs. other aspects differently than MD schools do. This variation obviously allows a wider range of deserving students to become doctors. Hopefully this diversity of background also helps improve patient care in the long run.

yeah yeah yeah

 

[SpecterGT260]

I recognize that everyone in medical school, MD or DO, deserves to be there. I also appreciate the fact the DO schools weight the importance of GPA vs. other aspects differently than MD schools do. This variation obviously allows a wider range of deserving students to become doctors. Hopefully this diversity of background also helps improve patient care in the long run.

I can't tell if you're still arguing... I have also said nothing to the contrary to what you've said here so I'm not sure why you feel the need to dish out lessons.


What I said was: the statement that MD students had their education handed to them by well-to-do parents is exactly equal in ignorance to a statement claiming DO students are MD rejects.

The latter being very unfair to DOs who chose to be there, and the former equally unfair to MD students who overcame odds to get there. We have multiple mothers, non trads, and disadvantaged students in our class. Your generalization, while with good intentions, is unfair and offensive to both parties

 

[JESSFALLING]

MY statement directly implies that MD students are not immune to hardship

We're speaking the same language with a different accent. I imagine that many MD students have suffered through great challenges. However, they are MD students because they did not allow life's challenges to nix their GPA too badly....DO applicants, on the other hand, have a LOT more leeway due to AACOMAS's grade-replacement policy, not to mention the fact that applicant GPA averages are a bit lower.

 

[Cmaj7th]

why did you go DO then?



edit: I think you have a biased opinion, just like how the caribbean students argue that the training they receive is on-par with us md schools. You can argue all you want, but your talking points are falling on to deaf ears.

What medical school and residency did you attend that give you the credentials to make such bold statements?

 

[Hemorrage]

It'd be quite funny though if say an MD walks by the hall, and several patients stop him/her to praise his/her hard work, dedication and being smart enough to go to MD school instead of DO...and we all know DOs aren't real doctors anyway.

Last time i checked both types of schools graduate physicians

 

[235788]

What medical school and residency did you attend that give you the credentials to make such bold statements?

Where have you been? What bold statement did I say?

I need a residency to compare him to to the caribbean med students and their arguments?

 

[SpecterGT260]

We're speaking the same language with a different accent. I imagine that many MD students have suffered through great challenges. However, they are MD students because they did not allow life's challenges to nix their GPA too badly....DO applicants, on the other hand, have a lot more leeway due to AACOMAS's grade-replacement policy, not to mention the fact that applicant GPA averages are a bit lower.

There are also DOs that came from upper class families with a free ride to undergrad. I'm not sure what you're point is

 

[Cmaj7th]

Nowhere. I'm a 20 year old pre-med and that's why I don't try to suggest that a group of US trained physicians are somehow incompetent.

 

[235788]

Nowhere. I'm a 20 year old pre-med and that's why I don't try to suggest that a group of US trained physicians are somehow incompetent.

clearly. Take the MCAT bud.

 

[Cmaj7th]

I need a residency to compare him to to the caribbean med students and their arguments?

I'd say that would give some validity to your otherwise empty opinions.

clearly. Take the MCAT bud.

I will in due time but it will not make me anymore privy to how different physicians conduct their practices.

 

[JESSFALLING]

There are also DOs that came from upper class families with a free ride to undergrad. I'm not sure what you're point is

There are students from upper class families at my local community college😀. They are free to choose how to manage their life and grades like all of us......Anyway, I've got to head to class. CU.

 

[SpecterGT260]

😕

 

[235788]

I'd say that would give some validity to your otherwise empty opinions.



I will in due time but it will not make me anymore privy to how different physicians conduct their practices.

I guess I don't see how it was an empty opinion, but rather a statement comparing this to the past.

There used to be a guy on here named "Morsalitis" or something who was a M1 St. George. He would repeatedly thread bomb with all this BS about how his education was on par if not better then US MD, and how he went there by choice.

How is this any different?

It always happens when someone says their education is better than someone else's, and the other replies back to defend his choice.

The same stuff happens when someone from the IVY's says his bio department was better than a state school. Some jack-a will get all heated and write emotional responses defending the state school.

Its a common trend. The arguments always fall on deaf ears. Bala is preaching to the wrong choir.

Enough storytelling 😀

 

[Cmaj7th]

I guess I don't see how it was an empty opinion, but rather a statement comparing this to the past.

There used to be a guy on here named "Morsalitis" or something who was a M1 St. George. He would repeatedly thread bomb with all this BS about how his education was on par if not better then US MD, and how he went there by choice.

How is this any different?

It always happens when someone says their education is better than someone else's, and the other replies back to defend his choice.

The same stuff happens when someone from the IVY's says his bio department was better than a state school. Some jack-a will get all heated and write emotional responses defending the state school.

Its a common trend. The arguments always fall on deaf ears. Bala is preaching to the wrong choir.

Enough storytelling 😀

We agree on this.

 

[octupus]

clearly. Take the MCAT bud.

If I've taken the MCAT and scored above the average MD matriculant, does it mean my opinion carries more weight?

 

[JeetKuneDo]

There used to be a guy on here named "Morsalitis" or something who was a M1 St. George. He would repeatedly thread bomb with all this BS about how his education was on par if not better then US MD, and how he went there by choice.

I've been on SDN too long. I remember that guy as well.

 

[235788]

I've been on SDN too long. I remember that guy as well.

yeah I haven't seen him post in a while. I think pre-allo got to him.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

yeah I haven't seen him post in a while. I think pre-allo got to him.

Well that being said he did have some pretty good stats, he just had utterly no volunteering. So he decided that after MD rejected him and DO rejected him ( He applied to them in like Nov), that instead of wasting a year he'd go to SGU. Kinda a dumb choice, but oh well.


@Jessfalling: DO schools are not more forgiving. They simply have population with lower stats applying to them, very few people gain all that much from the repeat policy. Expect this to change however, everyone and there mom now knows that DO exists, that the MD application is like throwing darts at a spinning board, and that DO might save them from waiting a year. Thus, you're going to see a lot more Pre-MD applicants going to DO schools and raising the stats.

@Holy, eh Harvard> MD>= Older more established DO schools > Newer DO schools >>> Top 4 Carib >>> Carib
It's all relative I guess, I would say that the difference in quality of training between a MD and a DO @ CCOM or etc will be a lot smaller than comparing an MD or DO to even SGU.

@Bala: Why do people apply to schools in places they don't ever want to go to? Then again I can't think of a single MD school in the nation that I think location wise is that horrible, except well University of North Dakota ( Say hello to those neg 30s in winter).

 

[drizzt3117]

I'm not sure id agree that new DO schools > sgu... There's certainly no evidence about it.

Well that being said he did have some pretty good stats, he just had utterly no volunteering. So he decided that after MD rejected him and DO rejected him ( He applied to them in like Nov), that instead of wasting a year he'd go to SGU. Kinda a dumb choice, but oh well.


@Jessfalling: DO schools are not more forgiving. They simply have population with lower stats applying to them, very few people gain all that much from the repeat policy. Expect this to change however, everyone and there mom now knows that DO exists, that the MD application is like throwing darts at a spinning board, and that DO might save them from waiting a year. Thus, you're going to see a lot more Pre-MD applicants going to DO schools and raising the stats.

@Holy, eh Harvard> MD>= Older more established DO schools > Newer DO schools >>> Top 4 Carib >>> Carib
It's all relative I guess, I would say that the difference in quality of training between a MD and a DO @ CCOM or etc will be a lot smaller than comparing an MD or DO to even SGU.

@Bala: Why do people apply to schools in places they don't ever want to go to? Then again I can't think of a single MD school in the nation that I think location wise is that horrible, except well University of North Dakota ( Say hello to those neg 30s in winter).

 

[scotchtapetest]

Well that being said he did have some pretty good stats, he just had utterly no volunteering. So he decided that after MD rejected him and DO rejected him ( He applied to them in like Nov), that instead of wasting a year he'd go to SGU. Kinda a dumb choice, but oh well.


@Jessfalling: DO schools are not more forgiving. They simply have population with lower stats applying to them, very few people gain all that much from the repeat policy. Expect this to change however, everyone and there mom now knows that DO exists, that the MD application is like throwing darts at a spinning board, and that DO might save them from waiting a year. Thus, you're going to see a lot more Pre-MD applicants going to DO schools and raising the stats.

@Holy, eh Harvard> MD>= Older more established DO schools > Newer DO schools >>> Top 4 Carib >>> Carib
It's all relative I guess, I would say that the difference in quality of training between a MD and a DO @ CCOM or etc will be a lot smaller than comparing an MD or DO to even SGU.

@Bala: Why do people apply to schools in places they don't ever want to go to? Then again I can't think of a single MD school in the nation that I think location wise is that horrible, except well University of North Dakota ( Say hello to those neg 30s in winter).

I didn't say I would never go to that location... I said I preferred my DO school's location much more and along with other factors I chose it.... Also I can name at least 20 states besides ND that I wouldn't be willing to live in for any reason..

Having said that, I agree with the rest of your post...

 

[scotchtapetest]

I'm not sure id agree that new DO schools > sgu... There's certainly no evidence about it.

There is as much evidence for them as for the new US allo schools.... Just look at their residency placement/attrition rates and case closed!

 

[Rippey]

obviously you went the path of DO

 

[235788]

obviously you went the path of DO

7+ year member. Crazzzy

 

[Dharma]

Hey, guys. You're making this thread ridiculous.

OP, just do a search and look up this information in every other thread about this topic. It always devolves into a shouting match with half of those commenting deriding DOs and the other half defending them. That should give you all the information you need.

Again. Congrats to the usual contributors.

 

[Hemorrage]

I'm not sure id agree that new DO schools > sgu... There's certainly no evidence about it.

Any American medical school > international IN terms of matching us

 

[SpecterGT260]

Well that being said he did have some pretty good stats, he just had utterly no volunteering. So he decided that after MD rejected him and DO rejected him ( He applied to them in like Nov), that instead of wasting a year he'd go to SGU. Kinda a dumb choice, but oh well.


@Jessfalling: DO schools are not more forgiving. They simply have population with lower stats applying to them, very few people gain all that much from the repeat policy. Expect this to change however, everyone and there mom now knows that DO exists, that the MD application is like throwing darts at a spinning board, and that DO might save them from waiting a year. Thus, you're going to see a lot more Pre-MD applicants going to DO schools and raising the stats.

@Holy, eh Harvard> MD>= Older more established DO schools > Newer DO schools >>> Top 4 Carib >>> Carib
It's all relative I guess, I would say that the difference in quality of training between a MD and a DO @ CCOM or etc will be a lot smaller than comparing an MD or DO to even SGU.

@Bala: Why do people apply to schools in places they don't ever want to go to? Then again I can't think of a single MD school in the nation that I think location wise is that horrible, except well University of North Dakota ( Say hello to those neg 30s in winter).

I doubt the admissions characteristics will be changing much in any short order..... I dont think there is really any validity to the assumptions that DO recognition has suddenly spiked among peoples moms, that MD applicants are any good at parlor tricks, or that DO schools are going to be waiting with open arms to take all of the previously-pre-MDs.

While DO schools are not as highly selective with their applicants by the same standards as MD schools, it is not a free-for-all either. They screen for certain characteristics and simply having close to MD average scores does not make you a shoe-in for a DO school.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I doubt the admissions characteristics will be changing much in any short order..... I dont think there is really any validity to the assumptions that DO recognition has suddenly spiked among peoples moms, that MD applicants are any good at parlor tricks, or that DO schools are going to be waiting with open arms to take all of the previously-pre-MDs.

While DO schools are not as highly selective with their applicants by the same standards as MD schools, it is not a free-for-all either. They screen for certain characteristics and simply having close to MD average scores does not make you a shoe-in for a DO school.

I'm part of the ilk that believe that the massive increase of applicants for DO is mainly due to SDN and sites that are fed by it. However I do think that many DO schools will happily scope up some students that are in between the average DO scores and MD scores.

 

[SpecterGT260]

DO schools have not been alone in seeing increased applications. The number cited in our white coat ceremony said that number of apps had tripled from 5 years ago.

Considering that DO is traditionally a more likely avenue for non-traditional applicants and those with lower scores (comparatively in both instances), this could just as easily be a result of the influx due to economic factors. with DO representing a "path of least resistance" to people of certain points of view, I wouldnt be all too surprised to see DO application rates rise at a greater rate.

in absolute terms I would bet good money that MD apps have risen further

 

[scotchtapetest]

why did you go DO then?



edit: I think you have a biased opinion, just like how the caribbean students argue that the training they receive is on-par with us md schools. You can argue all you want, but your talking points are falling on to deaf ears.

Where have you been? What bold statement did I say?

I need a residency to compare him to to the caribbean med students and their arguments?

I didn't see your "edit" so I just wanted to address it...

Listen kiddo, I know you've been trying for awhile to get into med school and I'm guessing you finally got in this cycle (congratulations); and I know your posts are again more of a self defense mechanism because of your insecurities (you know not being able to get into medical school and all for few years)... but just to let you know, I'll be an attending before you even apply for residency, so I strongly suggest that you attend medical school's orientation day before coming here and acting all grown up all of a sudden....

BTW, you can compare me to whoever the f*** you want... and to put it in language that you would understand, as a pre-med, your opinion about me or my training/education has the same value as a high school senior's opinion about your college training/education (i.e. somewhere between very little to none)....

Good Luck with medical school orientation day....

 

[drizzt3117]

Any American medical school > international IN terms of matching us

That just hasn't been my experience; Carib IMGs far outnumbered DOs among non-MD applicants on the rads interview trail.

Ps, spell your username correctly?

 

[scotchtapetest]

That just hasn't been my experience; Carib IMGs far outnumbered DOs among non-MD applicants on the rads interview trail.

Ps, spell your username correctly?

You and your rads interviews.... jk....

They also outnumber DOs in general.....

We had this argument in another MD vs DO thread within the past month....

 

[Bacchus]

Here are potential downsides:

1) You will find it more difficult to match into allopathic residencies. It will be improbable to match the top specialties.
2) If you can't swallow OMM or deal with it for two years and potentially residency, you might be a tad bit miserable.
3) Osteopathic residencies and subsequent board certification make you an AOA member for life. In order to be board certified you must be an AOA member and pay dues.
4) The COMLEX, I have heard, is a poorer test than the USMLE. With that said, you shouldn't base admission solely on how this test is written.
5) DO schools, for the most part, do not have their own hospital.
6) Rotations at DO schools are varied. Schools such as PCOM have regional rotations which are within driving distance of your home. Schools like KCUMB, have clinical campuses where you may be in Kansas City or you may spend the majority of 3rd and 4th year in other locations such as Philadelphia.
7) DO rotations have a lot of 1:1 with the attending and you are not always in an academic setting. If you want an academic setting for all your rotations, it is possible, but you need to pick your rotations accordingly.
8) I've found a lack of mentorship. This can be related to the lack of a hospital since there isn't always clinical faculty in every specialty on campus at one time.

 

[scotchtapetest]

That just hasn't been my experience; Carib IMGs far outnumbered DOs among non-MD applicants on the rads interview trail.

Ps, spell your username correctly?

Also, just to throw some facts into the argument: (Based on 2011 NRMP Data for Diagnostic Radiology; Matched/Total Matched)... Nobody knows what the number of applicants were for DOs separate from US IMGs/FMGs...

US MD: 888/17607 = 5.04%
DO: 62/1774 = 3.5%
US IMG (US Citizens attending foreign schools, e.g. Carib students): 36/2001 = 1.8%
Non-US IMG (FMGs): 37/2857 = 1.3%

 

[flatearth22]

Here are potential downsides:

1) You will find it more difficult to match into allopathic residencies. It will be improbable to match the top specialties.
2) If you can't swallow OMM or deal with it for two years and potentially residency, you might be a tad bit miserable.
3) Osteopathic residencies and subsequent board certification make you an AOA member for life. In order to be board certified you must be an AOA member and pay dues.
4) The COMLEX, I have heard, is a poorer test than the USMLE. With that said, you shouldn't base admission solely on how this test is written.
5) DO schools, for the most part, do not have their own hospital.
6) Rotations at DO schools are varied. Schools such as PCOM have regional rotations which are within driving distance of your home. Schools like KCUMB, have clinical campuses where you may be in Kansas City or you may spend the majority of 3rd and 4th year in other locations such as Philadelphia.
7) DO rotations have a lot of 1:1 with the attending and you are not always in an academic setting. If you want an academic setting for all your rotations, it is possible, but you need to pick your rotations accordingly.
8) I've found a lack of mentorship. This can be related to the lack of a hospital since there isn't always clinical faculty in every specialty on campus at one time.

Isn't this a plus though? Won't you get more experience and hone your clinical skills since you aren't fighting with fellows, residents, and interns to do procedures and evaluate patients?

 

[rafman]

Here are potential downsides:

1) You will find it more difficult to match into allopathic residencies. It will be improbable to match the top specialties.
2) If you can't swallow OMM or deal with it for two years and potentially residency, you might be a tad bit miserable.
3) Osteopathic residencies and subsequent board certification make you an AOA member for life. In order to be board certified you must be an AOA member and pay dues.
4) The COMLEX, I have heard, is a poorer test than the USMLE. With that said, you shouldn't base admission solely on how this test is written.
5) DO schools, for the most part, do not have their own hospital.
6) Rotations at DO schools are varied. Schools such as PCOM have regional rotations which are within driving distance of your home. Schools like KCUMB, have clinical campuses where you may be in Kansas City or you may spend the majority of 3rd and 4th year in other locations such as Philadelphia.
7) DO rotations have a lot of 1:1 with the attending and you are not always in an academic setting. If you want an academic setting for all your rotations, it is possible, but you need to pick your rotations accordingly.
8) I've found a lack of mentorship. This can be related to the lack of a hospital since there isn't always clinical faculty in every specialty on campus at one time.

Still 1000x better than a carribean school. Fyi, no disrespect to anyone taking the off shore route, it at least gives many students a final "hail mary" attempt at realizing their dreams of becoming physicians.

 

[Bacchus]

It can be, but it is nice to also be part of a team. If you only have outpatient medicine or rotate through hospitals without residency programs you will be shell-shocked come residency. There's a different atmosphere when it's just you and the attending. I like it, but I also like the fact there is a team around me. It gives you pivotal insight into training.

For example, if you're doing FM with an outpatient provider you don't see the initiatives for continuity of care (following OB patients, for example, through labor) or how the intern is pulling 70 hour weeks or how there are residents on call. You don't know what night float is and you don't know how the inside of a hospital with a training program works.

 

[scotchtapetest]

Here are potential downsides:

1) You will find it more difficult to match into allopathic residencies. It will be improbable to match the top specialties.
2) If you can't swallow OMM or deal with it for two years and potentially residency, you might be a tad bit miserable.
3) Osteopathic residencies and subsequent board certification make you an AOA member for life. In order to be board certified you must be an AOA member and pay dues.
4) The COMLEX, I have heard, is a poorer test than the USMLE. With that said, you shouldn't base admission solely on how this test is written.
5) DO schools, for the most part, do not have their own hospital.
6) Rotations at DO schools are varied. Schools such as PCOM have regional rotations which are within driving distance of your home. Schools like KCUMB, have clinical campuses where you may be in Kansas City or you may spend the majority of 3rd and 4th year in other locations such as Philadelphia.
7) DO rotations have a lot of 1:1 with the attending and you are not always in an academic setting. If you want an academic setting for all your rotations, it is possible, but you need to pick your rotations accordingly.
8) I've found a lack of mentorship. This can be related to the lack of a hospital since there isn't always clinical faculty in every specialty on campus at one time.

Mostly accurate, EXCEPT:

1) Totally depends on the specialty.... It goes from you are treated equal to a low tier MD school (e.g. in IM/FM/Peds) to you are not considered (Ophtho)... However, you always have AOA residencies...

4) Not true.... That's based on opinions/hearsay... However, this is not the thread to argue it...

 

[Hemorrage]

That just hasn't been my experience; Carib IMGs far outnumbered DOs among non-MD applicants on the rads interview trail.

Ps, spell your username correctly?

You need to stop being so defensive of the fact that you are probably attending a carribean medical school. The second you stepped off U.S soil to spend your money in another country you degraded your chances. There are simply a TON of IMG's trying to match every year, which represents the "large" quantity of people you are claiming are on the Rad trail. If you look up the stats you'll see that D.O's have about a 78% match rate while U.S MD is 93%, IMG is far below at 50-ish.

In the end, if a patient asks i'd rather explain to them that i went D.O because i was only admitted to that rather than explain to them how i went out of the country to obtain a foreign degree just so i can have M.D after my name.

PS: The spelling is correct- its my username on purpose *****

 

[mipp0]

You need to stop being so defensive of the fact that you are probably attending a carribean medical school. The second you stepped off U.S soil to spend your money in another country you degraded your chances. There are simply a TON of IMG's trying to match every year, which represents the "large" quantity of people you are claiming are on the Rad trail. If you look up the stats you'll see that D.O's have about a 78% match rate while U.S MD is 93%, IMG is far below at 50-ish.

In the end, if a patient asks i'd rather explain to them that i went D.O because i was only admitted to that rather than explain to them how i went out of the country to obtain a foreign degree just so i can have M.D after my name.

PS: The spelling is correct- its my username on purpose *****

LOL. You will be humbled by drizz...

 

[mipp0]

Also, just to throw some facts into the argument: (Based on 2011 NRMP Data for Diagnostic Radiology; Matched/Total Matched)... Nobody knows what the number of applicants were for DOs separate from US IMGs/FMGs...

US MD: 888/17607 = 5.04%
DO: 62/1774 = 3.5%
US IMG (US Citizens attending foreign schools, e.g. Carib students): 36/2001 = 1.8%
Non-US IMG (FMGs): 37/2857 = 1.3%

Not all residencies are created equal, and do those numbers include DO applicants accepted into DO rad programs? MDs are barred from applying, if I remember correctly.

 

[scotchtapetest]

Not all residencies are created equal, and do those numbers include DO applicants accepted into DO rad programs? MDs are barred from applying, if I remember correctly.

If you'd read my post you would've noticed that it said based on NRMP data which means it didn't include DO residencies.... (Just MD/ACGME residencies)

 

[mipp0]

If you'd read my post you would've noticed that it said based on NRMP data which means it didn't include DO residencies.... (Just MD/ACGME residencies)

Look, I understand you are defensive, and that's cool. I respect DOs and work with them. I think they are great docs. But truth is, even the DO attendings I work with told me to go MD. Even the DO attendings on SDN tell applicants to go MD. Those DO applicants for Rads had to really outshine their MD counterparts, and I doubt the vast majority of them snagged the best residencies based on associated hospitals, reputation of program, location, etc. Again, residencies aren't created equal. I prefer the path of least resistance, and that's the MD route.

I think it's cool you chose DO over MD. I wouldn't, but I've had friends who wanted to stay close to family and did what you did. I respect that, but there's always a trade-off, right? And I apologize for not reading your post more carefully. Truth is, there is a tier system in medicine. MD, then DO. It is what it is.

 

[scotchtapetest]

Look, I understand you are defensive, and that's cool. I respect DOs and work with them. I think they are great docs. But truth is, even the DO attendings I work with told me to go MD. Even the DO attendings on SDN tell applicants to go MD. Those DO applicants for Rads had to really outshine their MD counterparts, and I doubt the vast majority of them snagged the best residencies based on associated hospitals, reputation of program, location, etc. Again, residencies aren't created equal. I prefer the path of least resistance, and that's the MD route.

I think it's cool you chose DO over MD. I wouldn't, but I've had friends who wanted to stay close to family and did what you did. I respect that, but there's always a trade-off, right? And I apologize for not reading your post more carefully. Truth is, there is a tier system in medicine. MD, then DO. It is what it is.

How is it that anytime people post stats that prove others wrong, all of a sudden, they are labeled defensive?

My post was in response to a post regarding IMGs vs DOs match rate/interview sightings for ACGME radiology... Had nothing to do with US MD (I'm assuming here that in your post you are referring to MD as in US MD).

Also, I'm not here recruiting people to go DO... In fact I've told everyone, especially on SDN, that if you have any doubts about DO then don't go DO.... I chose DO and have no regrets (that's n=1)... You should do whatever floats your boat/makes you happy (I couldn't care less).... Just don't spread false information about my degree/profession and don't be judgmental (not directed at you, generally speaking about pre-allo folks on SDN)...

 

[tima]

How common do you think the D.O. stigma exists in the read world? Between doctors, and between doctors and patients.

I have seen this issue come up in older threads.

 

[tiedyeddog]

Just don't spread false information about my degree/profession and don't be judgmental (not directed at you, generally speaking about pre-allo folks on SDN)...

lol, good luck on this one. I wouldn't say this place is a bastion of understanding and acceptance.

 

[tima]

U mad bro?

Just don't spread false information about my degree/profession and don't be judgmental (not directed at you, generally speaking about pre-allo folks on SDN)...

 

[SpecterGT260]

How is it that anytime people post stats that prove others wrong, all of a sudden, they are labeled defensive?

My post was in response to a post regarding IMGs vs DOs match rate/interview sightings for ACGME radiology... Had nothing to do with US MD (I'm assuming here that in your post you are referring to MD as in US MD).

Also, I'm not here recruiting people to go DO... In fact I've told everyone, especially on SDN, that if you have any doubts about DO then don't go DO.... I chose DO and have no regrets (that's n=1)... You should do whatever floats your boat/makes you happy (I can care less).... Just don't spread false information about my degree/profession and don't be judgmental (not directed at you, generally speaking about pre-allo folks on SDN)...

id rather get called defensive.... seems i tend to hit the remedial jackpot whenever I post papers and we get some.... eh.... "creative" interpretations of data

 

[mipp0]

How is it that anytime people post stats that prove others wrong, all of a sudden, they are labeled defensive?

My post was in response to a post regarding IMGs vs DOs match rate/interview sightings for ACGME radiology... Had nothing to do with US MD (I'm assuming here that in your post you are referring to MD as in US MD).

Also, I'm not here recruiting people to go DO... In fact I've told everyone, especially on SDN, that if you have any doubts about DO then don't go DO.... I chose DO and have no regrets (that's n=1)... You should do whatever floats your boat/makes you happy (I can care less).... Just don't spread false information about my degree/profession and don't be judgmental (not directed at you, generally speaking about pre-allo folks on SDN)...

I never said DOs can't match Rads, or even Derm. I think they can. I'm not saying you assumed that, I just want you to know I think they can match into any field.

But it is an uphill battle not worth fighting for me. And they probably won't get into the best programs or be in ideal locations, both of which are important to me. Just look at the match lists for well-established, reputable DO schools versus. MD schools as a whole.

I was referring to US MD, and I absolutely agree with you that DOs have an advantage over IMGs based on the data that is available. I would never tell a friend to pursue IMG when a DO is a viable option. And I wasn't clear on why you posted that data, but it makes sense now. Thanks for clarifying. SDN is home to some DO fanaticism (arguments from DO students that there are no real differences), and they can get very defensive based on previous threads. Sorry for assuming.