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i was reading a law board, they keep talking about "third tier toilet" schools, out of top 14 or sweet 16. i think medicine weeds out so many people already, there aren't many TTT in medical school per se. i think TTT students go to other fields instead of medical. what do you think?

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medical school is not comparable to law school in terms of the quality and ranking of programs. i don't think that any U.S. allopathic medical school is a "toilet" school compared to any other since the level and type of education is so similar.
 
yeah i agree, there definitely aren't any "TTT" med schools... one major reason behind this difference is that there are only 130 (i'm sure people here know the exact number) medical schools in the US as opposed to hundreds and hundreds of law schools.

also the US news goes ahead and ranks all the law schools in the top 50, then designates lists of second, third, and fourth tier schools as well.

I've heard lots of law students say that if you're at a top ~20 law school and get decent (B or better) grades, you're set for corporate law (which seems to be like the ortho of law specialties). And looking at the US news stats, that seems like a good assertion-- 90-100% of people at most of those schools had jobs upon graduating. But if you look at the "third tier" schools, some only have like 50-70% of students employed right after graduation.

If I were applying to law school, I'd definitely try to avoid having a 50% chance of no job offers before I graduate!

Ah, job security... go medicine! 🙂
 
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the quality of the law school drops off substantially once you go below say.. the top 20. On the other hand, I would feel confident in saying that the quality of education at US medical schools is more or less comprable from #1 to #146.

People lives arent at stake with lawyers (except with rare occaisions), and thus the level of competency required is much lower than it is for physicians.
 
Originally posted by No Egrets
yeah i agree, there definitely aren't any "TTT" med schools... one major reason behind this difference is that there are only 130 (i'm sure people here know the exact number) medical schools in the US as opposed to hundreds and hundreds of law schools.


actually, aren't there only about 160 law schools?
 
there are a lot of unaccredited schools, lot of no-name TTT. but even named ones are TTT in law school after top 100 maybe. i don't think there are unaccredited schools in medical?
 
Originally posted by zinjanthropus
i think that MBA would be a much better comparison for law schools - both are professional schools with a significant drop-off in quality and training once you get below those top 20 programs.

good point.
 
Originally posted by zinjanthropus
actually, aren't there only about 160 law schools?

But there are 3 or 4 times as many law students as there are medical students.
 
Originally posted by ankitovich
But there are 3 or 4 times as many law students as there are medical students.

It's so much easier to set up a law school than a med school. For a law school, mainly you need professors, libraries, classroom spaces. For med school, you actually have to have affiliated hospital(s), anatomy labs, histology labs, etc. That's why there are a lot fewer med schools than law schools (and business schools) in the U.S.
 
yes, i think this is a very good point....its a lot like why so many colleges have div1 basketball teams but not division1 football teams....look at the expense of running each program and the start up costs!
 
about how big is a typical law school class?? i heard its pretty big. noneteless, numbers seem to be very important, if not more than med school, when applying to law sch. at least thats what ive heard.
 
Originally posted by zinjanthropus
medical school is not comparable to law school in terms of the quality and ranking of programs. i don't think that any U.S. allopathic medical school is a "toilet" school compared to any other since the level and type of education is so similar.

True.

All US medical schools are fairly reputable. Even lower tiered US medical schools produce physicians that aren't routinely sued for malpractice.

CCW
 
Originally posted by trojan2004
about how big is a typical law school class?? i heard its pretty big. noneteless, numbers seem to be very important, if not more than med school, when applying to law sch. at least thats what ive heard.

I know G'town entering class is around 500 students...and their supposed to be small-medium apparently.

CRAZY!
 
Law schools definitely have tons of diploma mills. Medical schools are definitely different in the sense in which...there are no "unaccredited" schools and you can get a residency from practically ANY US med school (maybe not the residency you want...but you're practically guaranteed to get into a residency). If you graduate from the Ackron School of Law (which is probably a single decrepit, brick building somewhere in rural Alabama), you'll be very lucky if you don't end up in the unemployment line. However, you'll be a respected physician if you graduate from ANY United States allopathic school (I won't comment on the osteopathic schools...otherwise this will turn into another MD vs. DO threads..of which, there are already 2847927837).

My sibling is at a top tier law school and also told me about the legions of law grads from law schools every year. In terms of quantity, law schools outnumber medical schools by a HUGE margin (probably by over 300+ schools). So there is a large disparity in the quality of teaching, quality of students, and job prospects from students graduating from top tier schools and students graduating from the 4th tier schools.

The graduates of the top 15 or so schools (Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, Columbia, Cornell, University of Chicago, Northwestern, University of Michigan, etc) can go on to prestigious clerkships for the Supreme Court, work for corporate law firms in NYC, or have their pick of associate positions from law firms all around the country. Meanwhile, the graduates of tier 3 or tier 4 law schools are usually referred to as the "ambulance chasers" and most will be lucky to find employment anywhere. A law degree from a tier 3 law school is only worth a little more than the toilet paper I flushed down the toilet a few hours ago.
 
Originally posted by BerkeleyPremed
A law degree from a tier 3 law school is only worth a little more than the toilet paper I flushed down the toilet a few hours ago.

Dang, I guess it's even worse for someone to call him/herself pre-law than pre-med. I mean it almost sounds like ANYONE can get into SOME law schools (Tier 3,4,5,6,7,8...)
 
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