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This is a result of a true account that happened to me tonight. Read this and take it to heart.

Jeremy.
WCU-COM class of 2014
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My prayers go out to the man who was shot tonight behind the exxon near my house. You taught me lessons that I don't think medical school will ever teach me. I think you were more of a calming presence to me than I was to you. To Eric, thank you for being incredible at your job and letting this feeble medical student go home. You are a true hero. To any future physician in training, DO NOT let yourself for one instance think you are BETTER than any healthcare provider "under" you.



I was presented with an opportunity to help. I failed. As a first year student my best advice was to get a shirt and attempt to stop the bleeding. Thank you Netter's Anatomy and my cadaver for letting me learn what muscles were injured. Thank you life for humbling me.



To humanity...I am ****ing disgusted by you.



I am going to take this icy shot of patrone and hopefully find some rest. By no means will this be the last time I encouter this; by no means am I deterred. I think I may have grown to love my profession even more out of this encounter.



To every medical student that wastes the time to read anything I have to say: We are nothing. Don't EVER forget why we are doing this.



To future physicians: Telling an admission board you want to "help" people is the best goddamn reason you can give for wanting to be in medical school. Mean it. If that doesn't RESONATE in your heart then get the **** out. We don't need you.



I'm now a little more drunk than when I started this. Here's the rest of my patrone shot to all of you still reading this; here's my new promise to all of you: I will wake up tomorrow and study the **** out of physiology and gross anatomy; I will work my ass off to make sure I'm the apparent "expert" I'd like to play because I'm in medical school.



To the man that is in the ER tonight with left cutaneous gunshot wound: thank you.



Jeremy.
 
Damn dude...sorry you had to go through that. I take it the guy had a non life threatening wound? This story reaffirms why I never go anywhere without my CCW.

Its definitely a night ruiner. It reminds me of a few years ago when I was out downtown with my buddies for the 4th. All of a sudden there was a huge crash behind me and I ran over. A drunk guy had been sitting on the top deck of the parking garage behind us and fell off. He was killed instantly. Definitely unsettles even the toughest of people to see someone die.

Stay strong buddy and make sure to talk to someone if this continues to affect you.
 
It sounds like direct pressure to slow or stop the bleeding was absolutely the correct (and probably only) thing to do. Good job, and well done for taking the right lessons out of this experience.
 
Some of the responses to this thread in the allo forum are absolutely heartless and inexcusable.

Good to see that the folks here in the osteo forum have a tad more class😉.
 
I'm not sitting here emotionally blown away by the OP's story, but the responses in pre-allo remind me why I hate the "SDN pre-allos" type of pre-med so god damn much. Frightened for the future.
 
don't let them get you down. whatever inspires you - don't let it go... the world needs more people that care...
 
JaggerPlate said:
I'm not sitting here emotionally blown away by the OP's story, but the responses in pre-allo remind me why I hate the "SDN pre-allos" type of pre-med so god damn much. Frightened for the future.
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Couldn't agree with you more.

You could argue that the OP's description was a bit over the top, but that isn't the point, and more importantly, it obviously had a huge impact on him.

The insensitivity of those who posted on the pre-allo forum is disgusting.

And I agree that seeing responses like that make me concerned for the future of healthcare.
 
theone1979 said:
Couldn't agree with you more.

You could argue that the OP's description was a bit over the top, but that isn't the point, and more importantly, it obviously had a huge impact on him.

The insensitivity of those who posted on the pre-allo forum is disgusting.

And I agree that seeing responses like that make me concerned for the future of healthcare.
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👍 i'm glad not everyone is like them.
 
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The op is still recovering from his hangover. That's why he hasn't posted in either thread since he made his initial post or he's probably embarrassed about his drunken revelations.
 
I too was extremely shocked and terrified by the pre allopathic responses to this post... some of their responses just made me shake my head.
 
Wow, you guys are shocked and terrified by the posts in the pre-allo board? I sure hope you guys aren't going into a field where you have to interact with all sorts of people that won't treat you like a fragile snowflake.
 
kcin said:
Wow, you guys are shocked and terrified by the posts in the pre-allo board? I sure hope you guys aren't going into a field where you have to interact with all sorts of people that won't treat you like a fragile snowflake.
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Lol, I actually kind of agree. When I went to the pre-allo forum I was expecting huge flaming. They kept it tame.
 
kcin said:
Wow, you guys are shocked and terrified by the posts in the pre-allo board? I sure hope you guys aren't going into a field where you have to interact with all sorts of people that won't treat you like a fragile snowflake.
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I think the point is that we are dissapointed that future doctors (the ones that are supposed to display compassion for those who are suffering) are behaving so intentionally and pointlessly cruel towards someone who obviously was deeply affected by this event.

I am as thick-skinned as they come and the last thing I need or even want is to be treated like a "fragile snowflake", but that isn't the point here.

The point is someone came on this board and shared a difficult and traumatic experience with his peers and future colleagues, and many of these future doctors' gut reaction was to mock him and ridicule him.

I don't see how anyone could argue otherwise.
 
kcin said:
Wow, you guys are shocked and terrified by the posts in the pre-allo board? I sure hope you guys aren't going into a field where you have to interact with all sorts of D'bags
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FiXt!
 
theone1979 said:
I think the point is that we are dissapointed that future doctors (the ones that are supposed to display compassion for those who are suffering) are behaving so intentionally and pointlessly cruel towards someone who obviously was deeply affected by this event.

I am as thick-skinned as they come and the last thing I need or even want is to be treated like a "fragile snowflake", but that isn't the point here.

The point is someone came on this board and shared a difficult and traumatic experience with his peers and future colleagues, and many of these future doctors' gut reaction was to mock him and ridicule him.

I don't see how anyone could argue otherwise.
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There is a reason why therapists/psychologists throw you out of their office and ask you to reschedule if you happen to come buy under the influence of any recreational drug, because most of what you're going to say is drug influenced. This guy was the "emotional/humble" drunk that you see at parties. Nobody takes it seriously because, well, he's friggin drunk. Of course the guy was "deeply affected" by the event, he was drunk. We don't know if his reaction was genuine or if it was the alcohol that clouded his thinking. I doubt anyone would of gave him the reaction that they gave him if he was sober and not a recreational drug.
 
ILikeDrugs said:
There is a reason why therapists/psychologists throw you out of their office and ask you to reschedule if you happen to come buy under the influence of any recreational drug, because most of what you're going to say is drug influenced. This guy was the "emotional/humble" drunk that you see at parties. Nobody takes it seriously because, well, he's friggin drunk. Of course the guy was "deeply affected" by the event, he was drunk. We don't know if his reaction was genuine or if it was the alcohol that clouded his thinking. I doubt anyone would of gave him the reaction that they gave him if he was sober and not a recreational drug.
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Total cop-out.

But before we get into that, let me just correct you on something. If someone came into their therapist's office completely shaken up over seeing someone who was shot, the therapist would not send them home if they smelled liquor on their breath. Does that mean it's a good idea to drink before going to your therapist.....of course not, but it also doesn't mean that a shot of patron suddenly makes all of your feelings illegitimate and not to be taken seriously.

The OP was obviously very affected and shaken by this. So he had a drink and then had the audacity to come on here and share his feelings.

And instead of showing any sort of sympathy or even just ignoring his post if you found it so offensive, your (and several other posters') first instinct was to ridicule and belittle the guy.

But then again, as you mentioned, he had the gall to have a drink after seeing someone get shot-I suppose you're right...he deserves it.


At this point I am done arguing about this. Instead of admitting you (and others) chose to unnecessarily ridicule someone who just went through a traumatic event, simply because you found it amusing and afterall, this is the internet and you can do so anonymously and without consequence, you have decided to stick to your guns and defend your actions based on some imaginary law that apparently prohibits someone who had a drink from having the right to be upset. You aren't going to admit you're wrong even when you know you are. That's fine.
 
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^^^ Thats what SDN pre allo is all about. Either you act like a complete douche and post some ridiculous verbal diarrhea, or you get **** all over by everyone there. Its pointless to even try to argue your point over there because nobody will ever change their point of view.

+1 for anonymity. I can guarantee 99% of the posters over there would never say any of this nonsense in person. E nuts=/= real nuts.
 
willen101383 said:
^^^ Thats what SDN pre allo is all about. Either you act like a complete douche and post some ridiculous verbal diarrhea, or you get **** all over by everyone there. Its pointless to even try to argue your point over there because nobody will ever change their point of view.

+1 for anonymity. I can guarantee 99% of the posters over there would never say any of this nonsense in person. E nuts=/= real nuts.
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True, True....Anonymity is a coward's best friend. 👍
 
ILikeDrugs said:
You guys mad?
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nope. Just speaking for myself, but I am just dissapointed and more then a little concerned about the lack of maturity, repsect, and compassion of my future colleagues.

And regarding the anonymity issue: Is it too much to ask that people behave online as they would if they were face to face with someone? I don't understand the impulse to insult and belittle people from the safety of your computer.
 
The reason I think you're all so shocked and appalled is cause you don't understand drunken/high philosophy, as explained before. Let me give you another example (besides the OP post).

My younger brother used to get high all the time on whatever (mostly weed but who knows). Well one night he comes home high and had some traumatic experience (probably a near death experience from driving high like an idiot). He then proceeds to sit down on the computer and type out a multipage "philosophical" text on the meaning of life or something. I'm telling you he had such a revelation..I'm sure he thought it was up there with Aristotle's Ethics. The next day it was still up on the computer and I read it. Just like the post above-it made no sense. I seriously don't think I could even start to recount it because it made so little sense. So what did I do?

Oh yeah that's right...I laughed at him. And at every other drunk/high person I've ever encountered that's tried to explain the "meaning of life" or being a "good person" to me. So there's that part. Oh and keep in mind this is all in "real life", so no computers involved.

Second, even if he wasn't drunk, his ridiculous philosophical rant is still classic. Traumatic things happen to lots of people..maybe some of you have experienced them. If these things inspire you to work harder or become a better person, that's seriously great and I think the world is better because that bad event inspired some good in you. However, to go around preaching that everyone who doesn't share your new ideals needs to "get the f out" and that you're "f-ing disgusted by humanity" and that "we are nothing" is a little much. Saying things like "thank you life for humbling me" is hilarious...did he not realize people all over the country and the world got shot, starved to death, bombed, raped, etc. (and sometimes a combination of all of these) before this moment? Really it takes you seeing some random guy receiving a non-life threatening wound to realize that you should "mean" your helping people bit and go preaching it to the masses?

If he had presented his story in a coherent manner minus his philosophical preaching minus his boasting about taking "icy shots of patrone" and said that this inspired him to help others in need, there wouldn't be much to jump on. The way he presents it? I couldn't figure out what to make fun of first.
 
I love that the posters in this thread are pointing at the pre-allo board and commenting on how they're all of bunch of d'bagging *******s, while over at the pre-allo board their all giggling about what a bunch of self-sanctimonious d'bags the guys posting on this thread in pre-osteo are. So different, and yet the same. Fascinating...
 
calvnandhobbs68 said:
The reason I think you're all so shocked and appalled is cause you don't understand drunken/high philosophy, as explained before. Let me give you another example (besides the OP post).
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Really? Thank you for clearing up why I was confused my 21 year old jedi.
 
The reason I think [B said:
you're all so shocked and appalled is cause you don't understand drunken/high philosophy, as explained before.[/B] Let me give you another examplei.
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Let me repeat what I just posted regarding this subject from the pre-allo forum:

I'm 31 years old and certainly have experienced my fair share of drunk/high people waxing philosophical, thinking they are being far more profound than they really are. Do I think the OP went a bit over the top? Maybe, but my last inclination would be to belittle the guy for it-I just can't figure out why for so many of you, it was your first.
 
theone1979 said:
Let me repeat what I just posted regarding this subject from the pre-allo forum:

I'm 31 years old and certainly have experienced my fair share of drunk/high people waxing philosophical, thinking they are being far more profound than they really are. Do I think the OP went a bit over the top? Maybe, but my last inclination would be to belittle the guy for it-I just can't figure out why for so many of you, it was your first.
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Meh, when you're young it is usually a "shoot first, ask questions later" type mentality. I write most of it off to that.

If all this is real, the guy could probably use counseling with what he just saw and his reaction to get wasted because of it. And I kind of worry for him.
 
It seems like us older dudes are the ones actually being sympathetic to this poster. Its fun getting tutored about life experiences by a bunch of children isnt it? Such is SDN!
 
willen101383 said:
It seems like us older dudes are the ones actually being sympathetic to this poster. Its fun getting tutored about life experiences by a bunch of children isnt it? Such is SDN!
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No, I'm 27 and I still think that the op was being ridiculous. 😉

inb4: immature 27-year-old who never grew up.

:zip:
 
ILikeDrugs said:
No, I'm 27 and I still think that the op was being ridiculous. 😉

inb4: immature 27-year-old who never grew up.

:zip:
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I never said I didnt think the OP presented his story in a "non ridiculous" way. It was pretty over the top. That still doesnt change the fact that something traumatic happened to him and he doesnt need a bunch of people ridiculing him for it. I am a pretty fun loving guy who def gives my friends plenty of $hit when they deserve it. I am most def not what you would call a serious person. But there is a time and a place for everything...and making fun of a guy for posting after seeing someone get shot is clearly not one of them. Sorry, I thought that was common knowledge. Its hilarious that pre allo is chock full of the most ridiculous "how is this minuscule thing going to impact my acceptance" threads and yet those same children go on to treat another individual like complete **** for no reason. Like the other poster in this thread stated...its a completely foreign thing to me that your first reaction would be to belittle this guy. I cant even wrap my mind around it.

inb4 lack of tact
 
willen101383 said:
I never said I didnt think the OP presented his story in a "non ridiculous" way. It was pretty over the top. That still doesnt change the fact that something traumatic happened to him and he doesnt need a bunch of people ridiculing him for it. I am a pretty fun loving guy who def gives my friends plenty of $hit when they deserve it. I am most def not what you would call a serious person. But there is a time and a place for everything...and making fun of a guy for posting after seeing someone get shot is clearly not one of them. Sorry, I thought that was common knowledge. Its hilarious that pre allo is chock full of the most ridiculous "how is this minuscule thing going to impact my acceptance" threads and yet those same children go on to treat another individual like complete **** for no reason. Like the other poster in this thread stated...its a completely foreign thing to me that your first reaction would be to belittle this guy. I cant even wrap my mind around it.

inb4 lack of tact
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Yup...we are on the exact same page here. The "quality" of the OP's writing isn't the issue here. To use that as an excuse to mock and ridicule him is a pathetic attempt to justify unjustifiable behavior.

I am also the furthest thing from a humourless, overly-serious tight ass. There is nothing I enjoy more then good-natured HARMLESS shiit-talking.

But that isn't what is going on here. The OP was traumatized, a bunch of people on the pre-allo board smelled weakness and went for the jugular.

Disgusting behavior....there is no flip side to this argument.
 
Most medical students, from my experience, are not benevolent. They are, to various degrees, selfish and pretentious.
 
TOOT TOOT. ALL ABOARD THE SELF RIGHTEOUS TRAIN.

You guys are acting like the posters (me included) dragged the op into the street, beat him up, made fun of his mother, beat him up some more, made fun of his sister, beat him up some more, and then beat up ERIC and the guy that got shot.

Give me a break. My comment (in pre-allo) was pointing out that the op did a bad job of giving details of the event or making a meaningful point. Other posts were similarly benign. I think one person said he should have spent his Patron money on other people if it was such a big deal to him. That was probably the harshest criticism the op got. Everything else was just a brusque response to a drunken rant. If you don't want crap, don't lecture people about your drunken epiphanies.

Quit being a bunch of sissies.
 
kcin said:
TOOT TOOT. ALL ABOARD THE SELF RIGHTEOUS TRAIN.
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kcin said:
My my my, aren't you the self-righteous one. OP was cross posting while drunk, and he did a very poor job of getting any meaningful lesson/point across.
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kcin said:
You're way too serious. Save your self-righteous lectures for your close friends that care.
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L2use a Thesaurus.

They are all over the internet, bro.
 
So the thread with the ACOMAS statistics gets locked, but this one doesn't? :lock:
 
fiznat said:
So the thread with the ACOMAS statistics gets locked, but this one doesn't? :lock:
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Yeah, nothing is really coming out of either of these threads, the pre-md/pre-do version.

The other one got locked though due to the fact the OP was someone who had already been banned and had created a new username.
 
kcin said:
Give me a break. My comment (in pre-allo) was pointing out that the op did a bad job of giving details of the event or making a meaningful point. Other posts were similarly benign. I think one person said he should have spent his Patron money on other people if it was such a big deal to him. That was probably the harshest criticism the op got. Everything else was just a brusque response to a drunken rant. If you don't want crap, don't lecture people about your drunken epiphanies.
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Herein lies my hatred of that mindset. I believe it was you who compared pre-DO to a 'fragile snowflake' earlier? Let me explain why the opposite is true:

Every annoying, conceited, arrogant little 18 year old kid in that forum has the pre-conceived notion that because they got an A in O-chem that they're the smartest, most unique, most special and rare snowflake out there. Combine this with an unyielding urge to slice each other's throats at the drop of a hat and you get a forum of gutless little social rejects who spend every waking moment trying to one-up each other and prove they're the smartest, coolest, funniest little internet phenom via a series of lolz catz pictures and pithy quips.

This attitude is not only annoying and counterproductive, but it only gets worse and worse with time. It builds to the point where when someone choses to share a story about witnessing a shooting, instead of saying 'crazy' or absolutely nothing at all, they INSIST on immediately throwing their hat in the ring for bringing up the funniest non sequitur derived from some minute detail of the post. It's asinine, immature, and, to me, shows a group of people who care far, far more about being the smartest kid on the block and pleasing 'mommy and daddy' than actually going into this thing for more realistic reasons.

Combine this with the fact that NONE of these little 'e-badasses' would have the guts to make these quips in real life AND will use the same sort of quasi-sob stories when faking their personal statements in two years, and it's not hard to figure out why I personally make comments like 'frightened for the future.'

Was the OP's story over the top? Yes. Was it too intense, in your face, and, at times, pretty laughable? Yes. Does the content for one second deter from the standard "SDN pre-allo" pre-med mindset that would have gone off on this thread whether or not it was a hyperbolic story or a NEJM piece on brain cancer? No ... and herein lies my hatred.
 
JaggerPlate said:
Herein lies my hatred of that mindset. I believe it was you who compared pre-DO to a 'fragile snowflake' earlier? Let me explain why the opposite is true:

Every annoying, conceited, arrogant little 18 year old kid in that forum has the pre-conceived notion that because they got an A in O-chem that they're the smartest, most unique, most special and rare snowflake out there. Combine this with an unyielding urge to slice each other's throats at the drop of a hat and you get a forum of gutless little social rejects who spend every waking moment trying to one-up each other and prove they're the smartest, coolest, funniest little internet phenom via a series of lolz catz pictures and pithy quips.

This attitude is not only annoying and counterproductive, but it only gets worse and worse with time. It builds to the point where when someone choses to share a story about witnessing a shooting, instead of saying 'crazy' or absolutely nothing at all, they INSIST on immediately throwing their hat in the ring for bringing up the funniest non sequitur derived from some minute detail of the post. It's asinine, immature, and, to me, shows a group of people who care far, far more about being the smartest kid on the block and pleasing 'mommy and daddy' than actually going into this thing for more realistic reasons.

Combine this with the fact that NONE of these little 'e-badasses' would have the guts to make these quips in real life AND will use the same sort of quasi-sob stories when faking their personal statements in two years, and it's not hard to figure out why I personally make comments like 'frightened for the future.'

Was the OP's story over the top? Yes. Was it too intense, in your face, and, at times, pretty laughable? Yes. Does the content for one second deter from the standard "SDN pre-allo" pre-med mindset that would have gone off on this thread whether or not it was a hyperbolic story or a NEJM piece on brain cancer? No ... and herein lies my hatred.
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+1... well said
 
JaggerPlate said:
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The problem that a lot of people have with the whole thing is that it's a crock of ****. No shooting happened for the OP to witness, as was pointed out in pre-allo. That's what's rubbing some the wrong way; to use a made up story to launch into a screed with the other problems you pointed out.
 
Pons Asinorum said:
The problem that a lot of people have with the whole thing is that it's a crock of ****. No shooting happened for the OP to witness, as was pointed out in pre-allo. That's what's rubbing some the wrong way; to use a made up story to launch into a screed with the other problems you pointed out.
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And how do you know for sure there was no shooting? Just because some people googled it doesn't mean it did not happen. Does he really live in Brandon? He says the Exxon station was NEAR his house. Maybe not in the same town?
 
denco88 said:
And how do you know for sure there was no shooting? Just because some people googled it doesn't mean it did not happen. Does he really live in Brandon? He says the Exxon station was NEAR his house. Maybe not in the same town?
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exactly. i know him, and he isn't the type to make this crap up... and the city where he's from and the city where he is aren't necessarily the same place.
 
Despite everything else, I don't see the OP making up a shooting simply to tell this story.
 
The Poet Sings said:
exactly. i know him, and he isn't the type to make this crap up... and the city where he's from and the city where he is aren't necessarily the same place.
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Then I'm sure either you or him would gladly post a link to the Clarion-Ledger/Hattiesburg American/Sun Herald article that mentions the shooting?

Once we have that in hand, we can move on to the rest of the post.
 
Pons Asinorum said:
Then I'm sure either you or him would gladly post a link to the Clarion-Ledger/Hattiesburg American/Sun Herald article that mentions the shooting?

Once we have that in hand, we can move on to the rest of the post.
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sorry, i don't really feel like it. and i'm not from around here, but where i'm from, something as little as a gas station shooting where the person survives probably wouldn't make the news anyways.
 
The Poet Sings said:
sorry, i don't really feel like it. and i'm not from around here, but where i'm from, something as little as a gas station shooting where the person survives probably wouldn't make the news anyways.
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+1000. In Philly such is a daily thing. It would NEVER make the paper. The pre allos are all butthurt because not everyone agrees with their douchebagesque response. Anyways....why are we still talking about this?
 
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